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1051
#1051
7 Frags +

my online friends have almost completely stopped playing games and now all I do is play lobbies and it's way less fun than just fucking around with people in random games. at the very least im going out more because of it, but it really sucks to have people you really like just fade out of your life.

my online friends have almost completely stopped playing games and now all I do is play lobbies and it's way less fun than just fucking around with people in random games. at the very least im going out more because of it, but it really sucks to have people you really like just fade out of your life.
1052
#1052
8 Frags +

I'm a disappointment.

I'm a disappointment.
1053
#1053
-7 Frags +
dot_warriordragon12https://6abc.com/4th-person-dies-after-shooting-spree-near-penn-state/5105986/

fuck guns
https://m.imgur.com/58K1HLL?r

"Only nation where this regularly happens"

Yes apart from like every South American country where there are A LOT more shootings and less guns.

[quote=dot_][quote=warriordragon12]https://6abc.com/4th-person-dies-after-shooting-spree-near-penn-state/5105986/

fuck guns[/quote]
https://m.imgur.com/58K1HLL?r
[/quote]

"Only nation where this regularly happens"

Yes apart from like every South American country where there are A LOT more shootings and less guns.
1054
#1054
14 Frags +
sheepy_dogs_hand

r/AteTheOnion

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][/quote]
r/AteTheOnion
1055
#1055
3 Frags +

I have really bad cubital tunnel issues from when I was younger and it just keeps getting worse. My band has to play a bunch of shows and hopefully start recording an album soon and I honestly don't know if I'll be able to because I play guitar and can't feel half of my fretting hand fingers. I can hardly feel my ring and pinky fingers at all anymore. Also I do vocals on like half of our songs and they give me super bad anxiety when I do live shows because playing in front of new people stresses me out and I almost feel like quitting my band is the best idea at this point because then they can get a good guitarist and vocalist and still be able to make good music.

I have really bad cubital tunnel issues from when I was younger and it just keeps getting worse. My band has to play a bunch of shows and hopefully start recording an album soon and I honestly don't know if I'll be able to because I play guitar and can't feel half of my fretting hand fingers. I can hardly feel my ring and pinky fingers at all anymore. Also I do vocals on like half of our songs and they give me super bad anxiety when I do live shows because playing in front of new people stresses me out and I almost feel like quitting my band is the best idea at this point because then they can get a good guitarist and vocalist and still be able to make good music.
1056
#1056
-3 Frags +
dishsoapsheepy_dogs_handr/AteTheOnion

No that is not the case here. Aside from The Onion being a politically motivated satire site and not just a troll, if you read the article you should see that they are satirizing the "No way to prevent this" line and NOT the "Only country that this regularly happens in" line. In fact they use cherry-picked statistics to further this point.

In the article they start with saying that there were "17 individuals killed and over a dozen others seriously injured" and that "citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs say there is nothing that can be done". They repeat the "only country where this kind of thing happens" after every shooting despite it not being true.

Its political satire which is fine, but its still lying to push a political agenda with lies under the guise of "its a joke lol".

[quote=dishsoap][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][/quote]
r/AteTheOnion[/quote]

No that is not the case here. Aside from The Onion being a politically motivated satire site and not just a troll, if you read the article you should see that they are satirizing the "No way to prevent this" line and NOT the "Only country that this regularly happens in" line. In fact they use cherry-picked statistics to further this point.

In the article they start with saying that there were "17 individuals killed and over a dozen others seriously injured" and that "citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs say there is nothing that can be done". They repeat the "only country where this kind of thing happens" after every shooting despite it not being true.

Its political satire which is fine, but its still lying to push a political agenda with lies under the guise of "its a joke lol".
1057
#1057
10 Frags +

its ok buddy this is the thread to let it all out in

proceed homie

its ok buddy this is the thread to let it all out in

proceed homie
1058
#1058
4 Frags +
sheepy_dogs_hand"Only nation where this regularly happens"

Yes apart from like every South American country where there are A LOT more shootings and less guns.

But those are developing countries

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
"Only nation where this regularly happens"

Yes apart from like every South American country where there are A LOT more shootings and less guns.[/quote]
But those are developing countries
1059
#1059
27 Frags +

my friends dislike me and avoid me and i have no one to talk to
im not good enough for the person i like
im fucked in the head and im miserable
i have no ambitions and i do nothing with my time im a fucking loser

my friends dislike me and avoid me and i have no one to talk to
im not good enough for the person i like
im fucked in the head and im miserable
i have no ambitions and i do nothing with my time im a fucking loser
1060
#1060
0 Frags +

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1061
#1061
5 Frags +

flank scout left 1 day before esea season starts my medic left yesterday my first season of open has been great so far leading teams is really fun. any open medics wanna play the rest of the season add me we have a match tuesday *_*

flank scout left 1 day before esea season starts my medic left yesterday my first season of open has been great so far leading teams is really fun. any open medics wanna play the rest of the season add me we have a match tuesday *_*
1062
#1062
-5 Frags +
sheepy_dogs_handu still ate the onion

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuFvy_mUUAUmVXZ.jpg

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]u still ate the onion[/quote]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuFvy_mUUAUmVXZ.jpg[/img]
1063
#1063
18 Frags +

i had a really solid invite team, with all friends, and it was killed by esea admins
then i get offered a spot on velocity, and then it dies literally the day after i join

it's so frustrating, i want to play invite and improve so badly but things are just preventing me from playing
at some point my motivation is going to be completely drained and im going to completely quit the game

i had a really solid invite team, with all friends, and it was killed by esea admins
then i get offered a spot on velocity, and then it dies literally the day after i join

it's so frustrating, i want to play invite and improve so badly but things are just preventing me from playing
at some point my motivation is going to be completely drained and im going to completely quit the game
1064
#1064
-9 Frags +

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1065
#1065
2 Frags +
cini thought you already wanted to quit for osu once that friend team died in the preseason

i wanted to quit because i went sadzone/weeb after that whole situation and i wouldnt get any invite offers
i still really want to play tf2

[quote=cin]i thought you already wanted to quit for osu once that friend team died in the preseason[/quote]
i wanted to quit because i went sadzone/weeb after that whole situation and i wouldnt get any invite offers
i still really want to play tf2
1066
#1066
0 Frags +
ether_i had a really solid invite team, with all friends, and it was killed by esea admins
then i get offered a spot on velocity, and then it dies literally the day after i join

it's so frustrating, i want to play invite and improve so badly but things are just preventing me from playing
at some point my motivation is going to be completely drained and im going to completely quit the game

i feel you, finding an esea team that won't either erupt or turn on you for nothing is so impossible

imagine doing everything right for 2 months worth of scrims then getting cut and missing out on the season because ?????

my desire to play comptf now is so bottomed out

[quote=ether_]i had a really solid invite team, with all friends, and it was killed by esea admins
then i get offered a spot on velocity, and then it dies literally the day after i join

it's so frustrating, i want to play invite and improve so badly but things are just preventing me from playing
at some point my motivation is going to be completely drained and im going to completely quit the game[/quote]
i feel you, finding an esea team that won't either erupt or turn on you for nothing is so impossible

imagine doing everything right for 2 months worth of scrims then getting cut and missing out on the season because ?????

my desire to play comptf now is so bottomed out
1067
#1067
3 Frags +

We just got gigabit internet at my house and i was super stoked until i realised that the cable run upstairs isn't terminated properly, so I can only operate at 100megabit full duplex instead of 1 gigabit full duplex
I have to recut and reterminate the cable which is a really tedious annoying process, which is fucking heightened by the fact that im color blind

honestly fuck networking cables, i hope this is the last RJ45 i have to terminate in my entire life

We just got gigabit internet at my house and i was super stoked until i realised that the cable run upstairs isn't terminated properly, so I can only operate at 100megabit full duplex instead of 1 gigabit full duplex
I have to recut and reterminate the cable which is a really tedious annoying process, which is fucking heightened by the fact that im color blind

honestly fuck networking cables, i hope this is the last RJ45 i have to terminate in my entire life
1068
#1068
19 Frags +

after nearly 7 years im finally feeling the burnout from tf2. on one hand im glad its happening because i was hopelessly addicted to this game and it was causing me to half-ass everything and never fully follow through with irl obligations. however, at the same time, i'm angry at myself for not being able to take control sooner and stop myself from ruining my high school/early college life by getting involved with the game past a casual level. i wish i could take back the thousands of hours and dollars i've wasted on this game, but i cant. i wish i could have seized the opportunities that were presented to me as an alternative to playing "one more season," but i cant. its only until i looked up from my computer screen and saw how much farther all of my peers were in life than i was did i realize how much i was being affected by this game.

ik its a waste of time to wallow in self-pity but i just dont know how to feel about what i could have accomplished in the last 7 years that would have probably set my life in a better direction than its been going since then.

fuck tf2, but more importantly fuck me for allowing myself to get sucked in, not properly managing my time, and throwing away multiple opportunities to separate myself from this game and take the steps to be a more productive person.

after nearly 7 years im finally feeling the burnout from tf2. on one hand im glad its happening because i was hopelessly addicted to this game and it was causing me to half-ass everything and never fully follow through with irl obligations. however, at the same time, i'm angry at myself for not being able to take control sooner and stop myself from ruining my high school/early college life by getting involved with the game past a casual level. i wish i could take back the thousands of hours and dollars i've wasted on this game, but i cant. i wish i could have seized the opportunities that were presented to me as an alternative to playing "one more season," but i cant. its only until i looked up from my computer screen and saw how much farther all of my peers were in life than i was did i realize how much i was being affected by this game.

ik its a waste of time to wallow in self-pity but i just dont know how to feel about what i could have accomplished in the last 7 years that would have probably set my life in a better direction than its been going since then.

fuck tf2, but more importantly fuck me for allowing myself to get sucked in, not properly managing my time, and throwing away multiple opportunities to separate myself from this game and take the steps to be a more productive person.
1069
#1069
7 Frags +

My spacebar keycap broke under normal fucking use. How the fuck does this even happen, i didnt slam my keyboard this was under normal use wtf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484120996400463872/549129305641451523/IMG_20190224_022312.jpg

My spacebar keycap broke under normal fucking use. How the fuck does this even happen, i didnt slam my keyboard this was under normal use wtf
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484120996400463872/549129305641451523/IMG_20190224_022312.jpg[/img]
1070
#1070
21 Frags +

You have a very powerful thumb

You have a very powerful thumb
1071
#1071
6 Frags +

After my personal experiences with ESEA-O, I can safely say that I'm done playing TF2 seriously, whether it be CompTF2 or in Casual mode. The game is just frustrating to handle, and now I only play it for just community servers. My team was for the most part "winless." I write this in quotation marks as we had forfeit wins due to dead teams. I was part of a Newbie Team Drive and our first coach just disappeared so we were left on our own, and it ended up poorly, I felt burnt out beyond recognition, and it was a terrible experience. Midway through the season we got a new coach and it worked out I guess, we won some rounds but that was it. After that I moved on to other games and that was all she wrote.

I dunno why I wasted 3100+ hours on this game.

After my personal experiences with ESEA-O, I can safely say that I'm done playing TF2 seriously, whether it be CompTF2 or in Casual mode. The game is just frustrating to handle, and now I only play it for just community servers. My team was for the most part "winless." I write this in quotation marks as we had forfeit wins due to dead teams. I was part of a Newbie Team Drive and our first coach just disappeared so we were left on our own, and it ended up poorly, I felt burnt out beyond recognition, and it was a terrible experience. Midway through the season we got a new coach and it worked out I guess, we won some rounds but that was it. After that I moved on to other games and that was all she wrote.

I dunno why I wasted 3100+ hours on this game.
1072
#1072
13 Frags +

i like playing against silver teams that deny all ringers, from silver players to jumper mains and pubbers, then wonder why you can't bring 6 players to the match server on a weeknight

bonus points if they:

someone please save me from this aids league i promise ill play ok as the soldier class in esea open

i like playing against silver teams that deny all ringers, from silver players to jumper mains and pubbers, then wonder why you can't bring 6 players to the match server on a weeknight

bonus points if they:
[list]
[*] give no reason to denying all ringers https://i.imgur.com/OAiDouP.png
[*] verbally commit to a different day then instantly double back on themselves https://i.imgur.com/ZouWrxU.png
[*] won't budge date or time at all, no matter the circumstances
[/list]

someone please save me from this aids league i promise ill play ok as the soldier class in esea open
1073
#1073
-12 Frags +
Gritomai like playing against silver teams that deny all ringers, from silver players to jumper mains and pubbers, then wonder why you can't bring 6 players to the match server on a weeknight

bonus points if they:
someone please save me from this aids league i promise ill play ok as the soldier class in esea open

you needed four ringers lol

[quote=Gritoma]i like playing against silver teams that deny all ringers, from silver players to jumper mains and pubbers, then wonder why you can't bring 6 players to the match server on a weeknight

bonus points if they:
[list]
[*] give no reason to denying all ringers https://i.imgur.com/OAiDouP.png
[*] verbally commit to a different day then instantly double back on themselves https://i.imgur.com/ZouWrxU.png
[*] won't budge date or time at all, no matter the circumstances
[/list]

someone please save me from this aids league i promise ill play ok as the soldier class in esea open[/quote]
you needed four ringers lol
1074
#1074
8 Frags +

went to the shop, it was 9.55pm and the shop closes at 10. I go in and buy milk fast as I can, till says its 9.57pm. Store lady says "that till is actually wrong" (it wasn't I checked the time) and I just wanted my milk and there was literally no reason she couldn't sell me my milk and she told me to leave despite the fact that they were still open..

She did it because yesterday I bought an energy drink and she told me "you shouldn't be drinking this stuff" even though I bought the sugar free type and its just caffeine and I was clearly very tired from working late shifts at my job.
She then asked me (a 21 year old man) for ID for a sugar free energy drink and I got pissed, showed her my ID and she told me that they don't sell energy drinks to people under 15 in this shop (after seeing I was 21) I got pissed and said i'll buy it somewhere else. I don't need shopkeepers telling me that I shouldn't be buying their product and I don't need her to remind me that I look like a teenager despite her clearly knowing how old I am.

Next time she is on shift i'm buying a bottle of scotch..

went to the shop, it was 9.55pm and the shop closes at 10. I go in and buy milk fast as I can, till says its 9.57pm. Store lady says "that till is actually wrong" (it wasn't I checked the time) and I just wanted my milk and there was literally no reason she couldn't sell me my milk and she told me to leave despite the fact that they were still open..

She did it because yesterday I bought an energy drink and she told me "you shouldn't be drinking this stuff" even though I bought the sugar free type and its just caffeine and I was clearly very tired from working late shifts at my job.
She then asked me (a 21 year old man) for ID for a sugar free energy drink and I got pissed, showed her my ID and she told me that they don't sell energy drinks to people under 15 in this shop (after seeing I was 21) I got pissed and said i'll buy it somewhere else. I don't need shopkeepers telling me that I shouldn't be buying their product and I don't need her to remind me that I look like a teenager despite her clearly knowing how old I am.

Next time she is on shift i'm buying a bottle of scotch..
1075
#1075
14 Frags +
boomawranglerGritomai like playing against silver teams that deny all ringers, from silver players to jumper mains and pubbers, then wonder why you can't bring 6 players to the match server on a weeknight

bonus points if they:
someone please save me from this aids league i promise ill play ok as the soldier class in esea open
you needed four ringers lol

imagine denying four ringers than laughing at me for being four down

[quote=boomawrangler][quote=Gritoma]i like playing against silver teams that deny all ringers, from silver players to jumper mains and pubbers, then wonder why you can't bring 6 players to the match server on a weeknight

bonus points if they:
[list]
[*] give no reason to denying all ringers https://i.imgur.com/OAiDouP.png
[*] verbally commit to a different day then instantly double back on themselves https://i.imgur.com/ZouWrxU.png
[*] won't budge date or time at all, no matter the circumstances
[/list]

someone please save me from this aids league i promise ill play ok as the soldier class in esea open[/quote]
you needed four ringers lol[/quote]

imagine denying four ringers than laughing at me for being four down
1076
#1076
newbie.tf
14 Frags +

I went to pick something up later at night yesterday and come home to find that someone's taken the spot I was parked in. No big deal, I start looking for some other place to park, and find a spot just big enough for my car in front of this woman who parked her Accord right in the middle of what was most definitely two car's worth of parking space. So I start parking, and the Accord starts wailing its panic siren. It turns off and then on again any time I move, pretty obviously being triggered from somewhere by a fob, because I'm like 5 feet away from the car and the siren is delayed by obvious reaction times any time I move. Eventually I'm like fuck this shit, go park in an even smaller space further away, and then come back to take a photo of the Accord's license plate to send the image to the building manager to tell this woman to either buy her own parking spot or street park like a proper human being.

She starts yelling at me from the balcony, and I'm just basically like, what the fuck is your problem? And she's like "well you were going to hit my car." And I was like bitch, are you for fucking real? First of all, YOU parking like this is why it would have made parking for me difficult in the first place (I still wouldn't have hit her car, but it was a small parking space, and me and one other person in the immediate neighbourhood are probably the only two people with cars small enough to fit the space she left). Second of all, you're not the only one who cares about your car, and I have no interest in hitting your car because it means my pristine, washed-weekly, polished and waxed car has to make contact with your giant piece of shit that's taking up two parking spots. And she's like "well I've been hit before". Oh that's nice, guess what - me too. That's the fucking risk you take when you street park and don't pony up for your own parking stall. I have scratches on my fenders because a few idiots weren't careful. I still fucking park like a considerate individual, leave larger spaces for larger cars, and make sure to try and make as much space near me so that another neighbor can try parking their car there. Nobody actively tries to hit other people's vehicles. Like, are you for fucking real?

And of course she's sitting there chain-smoking, making sure nobody can park their car next to hers.

Maybe if you put the cigarettes down for one second, Betty Boop, you'd be able to afford the insurmountable $25 a month that gives you access to your own ~private~ parking stall away from all of the ~plebeians~.

I went to pick something up later at night yesterday and come home to find that someone's taken the spot I was parked in. No big deal, I start looking for some other place to park, and find a spot just big enough for my car in front of this woman who parked her Accord right in the middle of what was most definitely two car's worth of parking space. So I start parking, and the Accord starts wailing its panic siren. It turns off and then on again any time I move, pretty obviously being triggered from somewhere by a fob, because I'm like 5 feet away from the car and the siren is delayed by obvious reaction times any time I move. Eventually I'm like fuck this shit, go park in an even smaller space further away, and then come back to take a photo of the Accord's license plate to send the image to the building manager to tell this woman to either buy her own parking spot or street park like a proper human being.

She starts yelling at me from the balcony, and I'm just basically like, what the fuck is your problem? And she's like "well you were going to hit my car." And I was like bitch, are you for fucking real? First of all, YOU parking like this is why it would have made parking for me difficult in the first place (I still wouldn't have hit her car, but it was a small parking space, and me and one other person in the immediate neighbourhood are probably the only two people with cars small enough to fit the space she left). Second of all, you're not the only one who cares about your car, and I have no interest in hitting your car because it means my pristine, washed-weekly, polished and waxed car has to make contact with your giant piece of shit that's taking up two parking spots. And she's like "well I've been hit before". Oh that's nice, guess what - me too. That's the fucking risk you take when you street park and don't pony up for your own parking stall. I have scratches on my fenders because a few idiots weren't careful. I still fucking park like a considerate individual, leave larger spaces for larger cars, and make sure to try and make as much space near me so that another neighbor can try parking their car there. Nobody actively tries to hit other people's vehicles. Like, are you for fucking real?

And of course she's sitting there chain-smoking, making sure nobody can park their car next to hers.

Maybe if you put the cigarettes down for one second, Betty Boop, you'd be able to afford the insurmountable $25 a month that gives you access to your own ~private~ parking stall away from all of the ~plebeians~.
1077
#1077
3 Frags +

AAAAUUUUUUUGHHHHHHRHAAAAAAAAA FUCK

AAAAUUUUUUUGHHHHHHRHAAAAAAAAA FUCK
1078
#1078
6 Frags +

if you rope me EVERY single turn in hearthstone, even after using all of your mana and attacks......

lick my dick gremlin slime

if you rope me EVERY single turn in hearthstone, even after using all of your mana and attacks......

lick my dick gremlin slime
1079
#1079
10 Frags +

I have been the most passionate player on all of my teams after season 25 (perhaps excluding s28) and it honestly makes playing roamer unbearable and it stunts my improvement. Rolling has always told me to focus on my own gameplay before my team’s gameplay but that doesn’t help me improve if none of my teams give enough fucks to actually take the time to improve as a team. As somebody who wants to make a name for himself in Invite, the past year and a half have been incredibly discouraging, enough so that I’m completely ditching roamer for a season just in hopes of breaking the curse of dysfunctional teams. Every season I’ve been saying “this is the season where I go huge and I improve tons” but every single time I say it my team is either completely dysfunctional and is basically dead for the remaining half of the season or just doesn’t give a fuck about our performance (the second option is very fun but my desire to become an Invite player outweighs my desire to triple bomb on mids).

I’m not saying I’ve been the best player on all of these teams and that I’m carrying and shit, I’m just stating my discontent at how little every team I’ve played on since season 26 has cared about improvement compared to me.

I have been the most passionate player on all of my teams after season 25 (perhaps excluding s28) and it honestly makes playing roamer unbearable and it stunts my improvement. Rolling has always told me to focus on my own gameplay before my team’s gameplay but that doesn’t help me improve if none of my teams give enough fucks to actually take the time to improve as a team. As somebody who wants to make a name for himself in Invite, the past year and a half have been incredibly discouraging, enough so that I’m completely ditching roamer for a season just in hopes of breaking the curse of dysfunctional teams. Every season I’ve been saying “this is the season where I go huge and I improve tons” but every single time I say it my team is either completely dysfunctional and is basically dead for the remaining half of the season or just doesn’t give a fuck about our performance (the second option is very fun but my desire to become an Invite player outweighs my desire to triple bomb on mids).

I’m not saying I’ve been the best player on all of these teams and that I’m carrying and shit, I’m just stating my discontent at how little every team I’ve played on since season 26 has cared about improvement compared to me.
1080
#1080
8 Frags +

god

i just want to be happy for fucking once. every single time i think things are going good and theres actually some hope at the end of the road, something new always pops up and just fucking instantly deletes that. thought for once i'd get to live in a home for longer than a year or two, nope, gonna be homeless in a few months since we're already living in the cheapest possible option nearby. thought i would finally find a hobby worth pursuing and enjoying, nope, even after 9,318 hours in one singular thing im still the worst player in the entirety of the division im in, and yet here i am, ruining the experience for five/eight other people who were/are trying to improve or play well. thought i could finally maintain friendships for longer than a few months, nope, only things i ever message to people are stupid fucking messages that they could care less about and i still dont talk to anyone on a regular basis, maybe one person every 3-4 days, and i think that those people i do end up speaking to either forget the useless conversations we have or have their days ruined by it.

i have no passion for literally anything anymore and its driving me insane, i just want to care about life, the things im doing, and to enjoy all of life to the fullest but i fucking cant since it's always going to return to this state, regardless of what singular, amazing thing that might happen to break this. im mentally/emotionally miserable and unstable, my body is in so much pain from all the problems i have with my knees, back, ears, and hands, and i cant even find any enjoyment in literally anything, online or out in the world. why even bother holding out hope at this point.

god

i just want to be happy for fucking once. every single time i think things are going good and theres actually some hope at the end of the road, something new always pops up and just fucking instantly deletes that. thought for once i'd get to live in a home for longer than a year or two, nope, gonna be homeless in a few months since we're already living in the cheapest possible option nearby. thought i would finally find a hobby worth pursuing and enjoying, nope, even after 9,318 hours in one singular thing im still the worst player in the entirety of the division im in, and yet here i am, ruining the experience for five/eight other people who were/are trying to improve or play well. thought i could finally maintain friendships for longer than a few months, nope, only things i ever message to people are stupid fucking messages that they could care less about and i still dont talk to anyone on a regular basis, maybe one person every 3-4 days, and i think that those people i do end up speaking to either forget the useless conversations we have or have their days ruined by it.

i have no passion for literally anything anymore and its driving me insane, i just want to care about life, the things im doing, and to enjoy all of life to the fullest but i fucking cant since it's always going to return to this state, regardless of what singular, amazing thing that might happen to break this. im mentally/emotionally miserable and unstable, my body is in so much pain from all the problems i have with my knees, back, ears, and hands, and i cant even find any enjoyment in literally anything, online or out in the world. why even bother holding out hope at this point.
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