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INTRODUCTION

"Refresh:" is a series aimed at making maps more suitable for 6v6 and other gamemodes. We took the opportunity to use our experience to fix the issues with map geometry as well as minor aesthetic and performance improvements. We humbly invite you to try out these changes and offer your feedback, so that together we are able to increase the quality of the competitive map pool.

SUMMARY

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We aimed to keep the map structure and appearance as close to the original as possible with over a hundred changes being completely invisible, for example player clips and blockbullet brushes. The main target of these changes were improved collision on steps, slopes, doorways, ceilings and props, predominantly where splash bugs occurred. Some examples of this are on top of the crates on mid, the concrete ledges leading up to the grass area on mid, player collision fixes on doorways so you cannot get stuck and finally the geometry of the last point has been improved to match the visuals, pipes only collide with stickies and grenades, thus rocket jumping should be facilitated.

CHANGES

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  • The lowest doorways have been raised to above the height of a jumping player.
  • Stairs have been given proper projectile collision.
  • Minor prop asymmetry issues have been resolved.
  • The clipping on the walls of last has been removed to match the size of the playable space to the size of the room.
  • Props and corners have been given smooth player collision.
  • Surfaces not visible to players have been removed to reduce the map file size and potentially increased frame-rate.
  • Lamps no longer collide with players.
  • The circular structures above the mid entrances to PC have better player collision.
  • Areas around the mid crates have much better player and projectile collision.
  • Improved player collision with overhanging roofs, small concrete steps and doorways.
  • Added solid ramps to last and gave them detailing.
  • Fixed some texture alignment and decal issues.
  • Raised displacement edges adjacent to concrete on mid and second.
  • Adjusted choke ammo pack position slightly to be above the ground displacement.
  • Painted more invisible faces with nodraw.
  • Replaced the radar dish on blue side with a blue tower to match the red tower found on red side.
  • Spawn room chairs are more tucked in.
  • Raised the skybox by 512 units.
  • Fixed solidity of one of the fake doors at last.
  • Many other clipping improvements.

    Please find ALL the changes made to the map here.

DOWNLOAD

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The map has been uploaded to serveme.tf and can be selected as "cp_process_f5" when renting a server.

Latest update: 3/06/2020

MAP CHANGE SUGGESTIONS

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These are the changes we would like to make to the map, although we need your feedback to decide whether they are a good idea to do so since these may change the flow and visuals of the map.
  • Re-do brush geometry to have red/blu stripes regardless of gfx config.
  • Re-do vents in sewers to be aesthetically pleasing and sewer themed.

WANT TO HELP?

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If you have hammer skills and would be willing to help please add me or HOI and we will be able to provide you with fun team oriented map projects with other skilled mappers within the community!

SHOUT-OUTS

HOI and Collaide for being amazing human beings and making all the changes to the map, they deserve all the credit for the execution of this project whilst I just pitched the ideas and helped test them when needed.

Jackylegs and Benroads for their useful contributions to the making of this project and their valuable contributions to other projects currently in the works.

Scorpio Uprising for creating one of the most favoured maps in the history of TF2.

[b]INTRODUCTION[/b]

"Refresh:" is a series aimed at making maps more suitable for 6v6 and other gamemodes. We took the opportunity to use our experience to fix the issues with map geometry as well as minor aesthetic and performance improvements. We humbly invite you to try out these changes and offer your feedback, so that together we are able to increase the quality of the competitive map pool.

[b]SUMMARY[/b]
[spoiler]We aimed to keep the map structure and appearance as close to the original as possible with over a hundred changes being completely invisible, for example player clips and blockbullet brushes. The main target of these changes were improved collision on steps, slopes, doorways, ceilings and props, predominantly where splash bugs occurred. Some examples of this are on top of the crates on mid, the concrete ledges leading up to the grass area on mid, player collision fixes on doorways so you cannot get stuck and finally the geometry of the last point has been improved to match the visuals, pipes only collide with stickies and grenades, thus rocket jumping should be facilitated. [/spoiler]

[b]CHANGES[/b]
[spoiler][list]
[*] The lowest doorways have been raised to above the height of a jumping player.
[*] Stairs have been given proper projectile collision.
[*] Minor prop asymmetry issues have been resolved.
[*] [url=https://imgur.com/a/n0GvOSk]The clipping on the walls of last has been removed to match the size of the playable space to the size of the room[/url].
[*] [url=https://imgur.com/a/ptLTjFk?]Props and corners have been given smooth player collision[/url].
[*] Surfaces not visible to players have been removed to reduce the map file size and potentially increased frame-rate.
[*] Lamps no longer collide with players.
[*] The circular structures above the mid entrances to PC have better player collision.
[*] Areas around the mid crates have much better player and projectile collision.
[*] [url=https://imgur.com/a/o0bcrSS]Improved player collision with overhanging roofs, small concrete steps and doorways[/url].
[*] Added solid ramps to last and gave them detailing.
[*] Fixed some texture alignment and decal issues.
[*] Raised displacement edges adjacent to concrete on mid and second.
[*] Adjusted choke ammo pack position slightly to be above the ground displacement.
[*] Painted more invisible faces with nodraw.
[*] Replaced the radar dish on blue side with a blue tower to match the red tower found on red side.
[*] Spawn room chairs are more tucked in.
[*] Raised the skybox by 512 units.
[*] Fixed solidity of one of the fake doors at last.
[*] Many other clipping improvements.

Please find [b]ALL[/b] the changes made to the map [url=https://github.com/tom288/Refresh/blob/master/Process/ALBUM.md]here[/url].
[/list][/spoiler]

[url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/refresh-cp_process.9042/]DOWNLOAD[/url]
[spoiler]The map has been uploaded to serveme.tf and can be selected as "cp_process_f5" when renting a server.

Latest update: 3/06/2020 [/spoiler]

[b]MAP CHANGE SUGGESTIONS[/b]
[spoiler]These are the changes we would like to make to the map, although we need your feedback to decide whether they are a good idea to do so since these may change the flow and visuals of the map.

[list]
[*] Re-do brush geometry to have red/blu stripes regardless of gfx config.
[*] Re-do vents in sewers to be aesthetically pleasing and sewer themed.
[/list]
[/spoiler]

[b]WANT TO HELP?[/b]

[spoiler]If you have hammer skills and would be willing to help please add me or HOI and we will be able to provide you with fun team oriented map projects with other skilled mappers within the community![/spoiler]

[b]SHOUT-OUTS[/b]

[b]HOI[/b] and [b]Collaide[/b] for being amazing human beings and making all the changes to the map, they deserve all the credit for the execution of this project whilst I just pitched the ideas and helped test them when needed.

[b]Jackylegs[/b] and [b]Benroads[/b] for their useful contributions to the making of this project and their valuable contributions to other projects currently in the works.

[b]Scorpio Uprising[/b] for creating one of the most favoured maps in the history of TF2.
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#2
19 Frags +
roboprod[*] Change the mid railings next to the health packs to a third of their height and disable their collision.

this is like the bread and butter of medic survivability on that part of mid why would u do this.

[quote=roboprod][*] Change the mid railings next to the health packs to a third of their height and disable their collision.[/quote]

this is like the bread and butter of medic survivability on that part of mid why would u do this.
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#3
8 Frags +

please do not change the mid railings, theyre alse used for scouts to jump onto high ground off that rough outside IT. everything else, sure whatever, but mid railings serve a genuine purpose in many situations.

please do not change the mid railings, theyre alse used for scouts to jump onto high ground off that rough outside IT. everything else, sure whatever, but mid railings serve a genuine purpose in many situations.
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#4
whitelist.tf
8 Frags +

Railings should have no collision for projectiles, to be consistent with a bunch of other maps Valve updated to not block rockets/pipes etc. from going through, but you can still stand on.

Personally a way to have an alternative exit of the forward spawn (to the side of 'door 1' and also not be openable from the outside could be nice. That way you can still get out and in position to hold last, can't get spawn camped as easily, or are forced to backspawn only after the enemy team captures the middle point.

Railings should have no collision for projectiles, to be consistent with a bunch of other maps Valve updated to not block rockets/pipes etc. from going through, but you can still stand on.

Personally a way to have an alternative exit of the forward spawn (to the side of 'door 1' and also not be openable from the outside could be nice. That way you can still get out and in position to hold last, can't get spawn camped as easily, or are forced to backspawn only after the enemy team captures the middle point.
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#5
-53 Frags +

or, you know, just play new good maps with devs that actually exist

or, you know, just play new good maps with devs that actually exist
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#6
3 Frags +

I agree with weit that railings should have no collision due to valves decisions on their own and updated maps, but this could actually solved by just changing the railings from being... railings. Outside of IT is a fucking meat grinder with the railings for anyone, removing the collision only makes the problem worse.

If mid railings were to be changed the concrete pads to either side of IT should to be lowered (and thusly like 1/3rd of the mid to ensure the highest points of the floor are at choke) in an attempt to give some cover for whoever , similar to snakewater's use of terrain to provide something similar to what the railings currently do. (This being high ground/sticks are almost always guaranteed to get good damage on while spam or bad aim is punished via using the small amount of verticality the floor gives you.

the platform above mid sewer entrance and making openings at least 144 would be a small but impactful QOL change. Arguably it would make it easier to skip/speedshot some more entertaining routes but either a) theres a fucking shutter there or b) theyre enclosed enough and far away enough to make any viable bomb require a reload or another body in the fight.

I agree with weit that railings should have no collision due to valves decisions on their own and updated maps, but this could actually solved by just changing the railings from being... railings. Outside of IT is a fucking meat grinder with the railings for anyone, removing the collision only makes the problem worse.

If mid railings were to be changed the concrete pads to either side of IT should to be lowered (and thusly like 1/3rd of the mid to ensure the highest points of the floor are at choke) in an attempt to give some cover for whoever , similar to snakewater's use of terrain to provide something similar to what the railings currently do. (This being high ground/sticks are almost always guaranteed to get good damage on while spam or bad aim is punished via using the small amount of verticality the floor gives you.

the platform above mid sewer entrance and making openings at least 144 would be a small but impactful QOL change. Arguably it would make it easier to skip/speedshot some more entertaining routes but either a) theres a fucking shutter there or b) theyre enclosed enough and far away enough to make any viable bomb require a reload or another body in the fight.
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#7
-6 Frags +

but like whats wrong with process

but like whats wrong with process
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#8
5 Frags +

Great idea guys i really admire the enthusiasm your putting into this

Great idea guys i really admire the enthusiasm your putting into this
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#9
7 Frags +

nothing is wrong but nothing is perfect, so why not try to get closer?

It doesn't remove dubthink-esque shenanigans of wall/cornerbugging where possible so mechanical skill is still rewarded, while punishing you for something you didn't purposely do is removed (shutter bugs/doorways)

nothing is wrong but nothing is perfect, so why not try to get closer?

It doesn't remove dubthink-esque shenanigans of wall/cornerbugging where possible so mechanical skill is still rewarded, while punishing you for something you didn't purposely do is removed (shutter bugs/doorways)
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#10
eXtelevision
1 Frags +

hm, is anyone working on warmerererfront still?

hm, is anyone working on warmerererfront still?
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#11
eXtelevision
10 Frags +

On a more serious note, shouldn't this effort start with maps like Yukon? Process is super popular, for what format does it need a refresh? Attack Badlands/Granary first.

On a more serious note, shouldn't this effort start with maps like Yukon? Process is super popular, for what format does it need a refresh? Attack Badlands/Granary first.
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#12
13 Frags +

I like the thought, but you really should have started with gully. That map has so many clipping/asymmetry issues (lamps on last, railing on balc, walkway up to point on 2nd eating rockets etc etc.) and would benefit most from a change I think

I like the thought, but you really should have started with gully. That map has so many clipping/asymmetry issues (lamps on last, railing on balc, walkway up to point on 2nd eating rockets etc etc.) and would benefit most from a change I think
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#13
17 Frags +
eXtineAttack Badlands/Granary first.

cp_utopia is being worked on by collaide and will hopefully do a good job at reworking badlands to be more enjoyable

[quote=eXtine]Attack Badlands/Granary first.[/quote]
cp_utopia is being worked on by collaide and will hopefully do a good job at reworking badlands to be more enjoyable
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#14
-10 Frags +
hamahameXtineAttack Badlands/Granary first.cp_utopia is being worked on by collaide and will hopefully do a good job at reworking badlands to be more enjoyable

doesn't prolands solve badlands' issues?

[quote=hamaham][quote=eXtine]Attack Badlands/Granary first.[/quote]
cp_utopia is being worked on by collaide and will hopefully do a good job at reworking badlands to be more enjoyable[/quote]
doesn't prolands solve badlands' issues?
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#15
17 Frags +

If you're going to make changes to a map, you need to specify why you are making the changes. You might think the reasoning is obvious or implicit within the change but it rarely is, I have no idea why you would want to make any of the changes that you have specified.

If you're going to make changes to a map, you need to specify why you are making the changes. You might think the reasoning is obvious or implicit within the change but it rarely is, I have no idea why you would want to make any of the changes that you have specified.
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#16
2 Frags +

Make all lamps non-solid please

Make all lamps non-solid please
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#17
-3 Frags +
ondkajaMake all lamps non-solid please

does that include the lamp on granary mid

[quote=ondkaja]Make all lamps non-solid please[/quote]

does that include the lamp on granary mid
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#18
6 Frags +

Version f2 has been added with more clipping and doorway height changes which should offer significant quality of life improvements. The map still looks almost identical since doorways have only changed by up to 16 units (about 12%). Due to the negative feedback towards modifying the railings we will either propose an alternate idea or remove that suggested change.

Since the ceiling lamps on the map offered no hiding spots and did nothing but block player movement all of them were made non-solid starting from version f1. There are several lamps that will be given sticky collision in the next version.

We decided to work on maps like process because we decided it would be a better use of our time to make the more popular maps in the map pool better than to spend longer working on maps that are unlikely to get into the map pool in the first place. We chose to start with process in particular because we were confident all of the issues we identified could be resolved in a relatively short amount of time while still offering value to players. We do plan to address gullywash but it's significant asymmetry issues made it less suitable to begin this project with.

Version f2 has been added with more clipping and doorway height changes which should offer significant quality of life improvements. The map still looks almost identical since doorways have only changed by up to 16 units (about 12%). Due to the negative feedback towards modifying the railings we will either propose an alternate idea or remove that suggested change.

Since the ceiling lamps on the map offered no hiding spots and did nothing but block player movement all of them were made non-solid starting from version f1. There are several lamps that will be given sticky collision in the next version.

We decided to work on maps like process because we decided it would be a better use of our time to make the more popular maps in the map pool better than to spend longer working on maps that are unlikely to get into the map pool in the first place. We chose to start with process in particular because we were confident all of the issues we identified could be resolved in a relatively short amount of time while still offering value to players. We do plan to address gullywash but it's significant asymmetry issues made it less suitable to begin this project with.
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#19
0 Frags +

On a sidenote about the way this project was started, process is arguably one of the most popular maps in most pools as it stands. This was a great way to bring attention and gauging interest from the community and I hope it opens the doorways to more critical and productive threads about maps and their designs/whatevers.

and please do not add a wall/barrier to the back wall of lobby going into last, it's a spamfest through doorways as it is and the little aim required to aim at the floor accurately would be mitigated entirely.

On a sidenote about the way this project was started, process is arguably one of the most popular maps in most pools as it stands. This was a great way to bring attention and gauging interest from the community and I hope it opens the doorways to more critical and productive threads about maps and their designs/whatevers.

and please do not add a wall/barrier to the back wall of lobby going into last, it's a spamfest through doorways as it is and the little aim required to aim at the floor accurately would be mitigated entirely.
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#20
Villa/Scourge
4 Frags +

Not sure how I feel about making a pro version of a non-Valve map. Have you guys reached out to ScorpioUprising to see if he's okay with you guys re-vamping his map?

Not sure how I feel about making a pro version of a non-Valve map. Have you guys reached out to ScorpioUprising to see if he's okay with you guys re-vamping his map?
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#21
0 Frags +

But how will we become esport if we play unofficial version of maps

But how will we become esport if we play unofficial version of maps
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#22
5 Frags +
Steam Subscriber AgreementWhen you upload your content to Steam to make it available to other users and/or to Valve, you grant Valve and its affiliates the worldwide, non-exclusive right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, transcode, translate, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and publicly perform, your User Generated Content, and derivative works of your User Generated Content, for the purpose of the operation, distribution, incorporation as part of and promotion of the Steam service, Steam games or other Steam offerings, including Subscriptions.
[quote=Steam Subscriber Agreement]When you upload your content to Steam to make it available to other users and/or to Valve, you grant Valve and its affiliates the worldwide, non-exclusive right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, transcode, translate, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and publicly perform, your User Generated Content, and derivative works of your User Generated Content, for the purpose of the operation, distribution, incorporation as part of and promotion of the Steam service, Steam games or other Steam offerings, including Subscriptions.[/quote]
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#23
Villa/Scourge
-3 Frags +
scrambledSteam Subscriber AgreementWhen you upload your content to Steam to make it available to other users and/or to Valve, you grant Valve and its affiliates the worldwide, non-exclusive right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, transcode, translate, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and publicly perform, your User Generated Content, and derivative works of your User Generated Content, for the purpose of the operation, distribution, incorporation as part of and promotion of the Steam service, Steam games or other Steam offerings, including Subscriptions.

Not sure this really applies here because this agreement only gives valve this right. Also, I’m mainly just suggesting they ask the mapper first because it’s a polite thing to do, not because of any legal reasons. I know I wouldn’t want people making spinoffs of my maps without asking me first.

[quote=scrambled][quote=Steam Subscriber Agreement]When you upload your content to Steam to make it available to other users and/or to Valve, you grant Valve and its affiliates the worldwide, non-exclusive right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, transcode, translate, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and publicly perform, your User Generated Content, and derivative works of your User Generated Content, for the purpose of the operation, distribution, incorporation as part of and promotion of the Steam service, Steam games or other Steam offerings, including Subscriptions.[/quote][/quote]
Not sure this really applies here because this agreement only gives valve this right. Also, I’m mainly just suggesting they ask the mapper first because it’s a polite thing to do, not because of any legal reasons. I know I wouldn’t want people making spinoffs of my maps without asking me first.
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#24
0 Frags +

To address some of the worries I have seen in this thread, I can understand how you may feel about us changing the map, even if it is only the geometry without contacting the original mappers.
Although we personally found that it would be counter-productive to reach out to a mapper that is no longer part of the community and has moved on from the game just for the courtesy of asking if we can improve the map when we in fact are ready to make these changes and implement them fast and provide the community with the cleanest version of process so far.
Whilst we are happy to talk to the original map makers and we intend to in the future for those whom are still accessible, we personally decided to take it upon ourselves and our faith in Scorpio Uprising to want what is best for this community.

Version f3 has been released and comes with the following changes:

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  • Added sticky collision to pipes in sewer and PC
  • Added sticky collision to lamps in top lobby and nest
  • Improved projectile clipping on mid crates
  • Added clipping ramps to the rock underneath rollout
  • Additional minor clipping improvements
To address some of the worries I have seen in this thread, I can understand how you may feel about us changing the map, even if it is only the geometry without contacting the original mappers.
Although we personally found that it would be counter-productive to reach out to a mapper that is no longer part of the community and has moved on from the game just for the courtesy of asking if we can improve the map when we in fact are ready to make these changes and implement them fast and provide the community with the cleanest version of process so far.
Whilst we are happy to talk to the original map makers and we intend to in the future for those whom are still accessible, we personally decided to take it upon ourselves and our faith in Scorpio Uprising to want what is best for this community.

Version f3 has been released and comes with the following changes:
[spoiler][list]
[*] Added sticky collision to pipes in sewer and PC
[*] Added sticky collision to lamps in top lobby and nest
[*] Improved projectile clipping on mid crates
[*] Added clipping ramps to the rock underneath rollout
[*] Additional minor clipping improvements
[/list][/spoiler]
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#25
6 Frags +
roboprodImproved projectile clipping on mid crates

you're going to make me cum

[quote=roboprod]Improved projectile clipping on mid crates[/quote]
you're going to make me cum
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#26
2 Frags +

A newer version of process, cp_process_f5 has been released. Combined with changes found in 4th iteration of the map that never went public, the 5th iteration offers:

  • Added solid ramps to last and gave them detailing.
  • Fixed some texture alignment and decal issues.
  • Raised displacement edges adjacent to concrete on mid and second.
  • Adjusted choke ammo pack position slightly to be above the ground displacement.
  • Painted more invisible faces with nodraw.
  • Replaced the radar dish on blue side with a blue tower to match the red tower found on red side.
  • Spawn room chairs are more tucked in.
  • Raised the skybox by 512 units.
  • Fixed solidity of one of the fake doors at last.
  • Many other clipping improvements.

For a detailed log of all the changes performed to the map please head here.

A newer version of process, cp_process_f5 has been released. Combined with changes found in 4th iteration of the map that never went public, the 5th iteration offers:
[list]
[*] Added solid ramps to last and gave them detailing.
[*] Fixed some texture alignment and decal issues.
[*] Raised displacement edges adjacent to concrete on mid and second.
[*] Adjusted choke ammo pack position slightly to be above the ground displacement.
[*] Painted more invisible faces with nodraw.
[*] Replaced the radar dish on blue side with a blue tower to match the red tower found on red side.
[*] Spawn room chairs are more tucked in.
[*] Raised the skybox by 512 units.
[*] Fixed solidity of one of the fake doors at last.
[*] Many other clipping improvements.
[/list]

For a detailed log of all the changes performed to the map please head [url=https://github.com/tom288/Refresh/blob/master/Process/ALBUM.md]here[/url].
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