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The future of competetive gaming.
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So, I'm really impressed with 5G. I haven't used it, but I've read the specs of it, and wonder, if technology keeps advancing, is it possible the gaming barriers come down, and the leagues standing become as latency riddled as LANs, like the US zones, versus the ETF2L zones, and that we can play around the world with the same latency as I get from say, CO to CHI?

If so, what do you think will change?

EDIT: OOPS I misspelled the title. :C

So, I'm really impressed with 5G. I haven't used it, but I've read the specs of it, and wonder, if technology keeps advancing, is it possible the gaming barriers come down, and the leagues standing become as latency riddled as LANs, like the US zones, versus the ETF2L zones, and that we can play around the world with the same latency as I get from say, CO to CHI?

If so, what do you think will change?

EDIT: OOPS I misspelled the title. :C
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rich ass countries should be able to pull cool stuff with it but countries like mine are too busy spending money destroying itself so yeah worldwide low ping still seems like a distant dream at least to me.

rich ass countries should be able to pull cool stuff with it but countries like mine are too busy spending money destroying itself so yeah worldwide low ping still seems like a distant dream at least to me.
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I am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.

I am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.
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The future is me ill be the next b4nny I hope I can inspire the next gen of tf2 players :D

The future is me ill be the next b4nny I hope I can inspire the next gen of tf2 players :D
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MiG-21bisI am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.

A quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.

Edit: The time for a round trip at light speed from chicago to london is just over 40 ms.

[quote=MiG-21bis]I am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.[/quote]
A quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.

Edit: The time for a round trip at light speed from chicago to london is just over 40 ms.
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_flacMiG-21bisI am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.A quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.

Edit: The time for a round trip at light speed from chicago to london is just over 40 ms.

I wonder if we will get good enough with AI and predictions that we will be able to have some sort of advanced interp that would make 130 ms ping feel like <50ms. I'm guessing even if it's far away, we can probably still do better than speed of light in terms of playing a video game.

[quote=_flac][quote=MiG-21bis]I am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.[/quote]
A quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.

Edit: The time for a round trip at light speed from chicago to london is just over 40 ms.[/quote]

I wonder if we will get good enough with AI and predictions that we will be able to have some sort of advanced interp that would make 130 ms ping feel like <50ms. I'm guessing even if it's far away, we can probably still do better than speed of light in terms of playing a video game.
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DanceNumber
I wonder if we will get good enough with AI and predictions that we will be able to have some sort of advanced interp that would make 130 ms ping feel like <50ms. I'm guessing even if it's far away, we can probably still do better than speed of light in terms of playing a video game.

rollback fps when

[quote=DanceNumber]

I wonder if we will get good enough with AI and predictions that we will be able to have some sort of advanced interp that would make 130 ms ping feel like <50ms. I'm guessing even if it's far away, we can probably still do better than speed of light in terms of playing a video game.[/quote]

rollback fps when
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_flacMiG-21bisI am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.A quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.

Edit: The time for a round trip at light speed from chicago to london is just over 40 ms.

I suppose you didn't realize that copper wiring will perhaps slow down signals and won't be able to carry a high signal strength over large distances, and running fiber / optical to each and every house or datacenter is already expensive.

Just because light is super fast, doesn't mean our general connections are, and furthermore, the cost of going speedy is potentially millions of dollars.

[quote=_flac][quote=MiG-21bis]I am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.[/quote]
A quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.

Edit: The time for a round trip at light speed from chicago to london is just over 40 ms.[/quote]
I suppose you didn't realize that copper wiring will perhaps slow down signals and won't be able to carry a high signal strength over large distances, and running fiber / optical to each and every house or datacenter is already expensive.

Just because light is super fast, doesn't mean our general connections are, and furthermore, the cost of going speedy is potentially millions of dollars.
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24

Don't read too much into what I posted. If anything, I was trying to show how slow light is.

[quote=24][/quote]
Don't read too much into what I posted. If anything, I was trying to show how slow light is.
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this reads like a reddit thread

this reads like a reddit thread
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MiG-21bisI am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.

in short yes; we can beam data as fast as possible but whatever is receiving the data must process it and that takes the most time; based on current technology and principles to handle that system contrivance, we wouldn't see any difference like lower pings to servers

[quote=MiG-21bis]I am too lazy to do the math, but I think the main issue with ping is we are limited to sending information at the speed of light. I am not sure how much we can decrease ping with better hardware, it may not be much improvement at all.[/quote]

in short yes; we can beam data as fast as possible but whatever is receiving the data must process it and that takes the most time; based on current technology and principles to handle that system contrivance, we wouldn't see any difference like lower pings to servers
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Azazel-rollback fps when

aren't fps games already pretty close to rollback?

like your shots don't register instantly but you can still feel your movement and reload/shot timings instantly on your client before it actually is actually registered on the server, and there's also a bit of client-side prediction for the movement of other players.

_flacA quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.

huh, thought it was 7 seconds for some reason. maybe i confused it for 7 laps per second? interesting to know. technically worst case travel time would be 65 ms cuz you only have to go halfway around the planet.

[quote=Azazel-]
rollback fps when[/quote]

aren't fps games already pretty close to rollback?

like your shots don't register instantly but you can still feel your movement and reload/shot timings instantly on your client before it actually is actually registered on the server, and there's also a bit of client-side prediction for the movement of other players.

[quote=_flac]
A quick Google search finds it takes just over 130 ms for light to travel the circumference of earth. This would be the worst case scenario in the best case scenario of 0 processing time.[/quote]

huh, thought it was 7 seconds for some reason. maybe i confused it for 7 laps per second? interesting to know. technically worst case travel time would be 65 ms cuz you only have to go halfway around the planet.
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dalenutechnically worst case travel time would be 65 ms cuz you only have to go halfway around the planet.

X2 because ping is how long it takes for your packet to get back to you from its destination. Considering this, we're already pretty close to the theoretical minimum that actual in-game ping could reach. Which makes sense because most of the actual backbone internet is fiber-optic (i.e. light speed) already, and you have to include processing time at either end + various intermediary points anyway. As a result, the need for intercontinental LANs will never go away, and ping from NA to EU will never get under ~100ms. Thanks Einstein.

[quote=dalenu]technically worst case travel time would be 65 ms cuz you only have to go halfway around the planet.[/quote]
X2 because ping is how long it takes for your packet to get back to you from its destination. Considering this, we're already pretty close to the theoretical minimum that actual in-game ping could reach. Which makes sense because most of the actual backbone internet is fiber-optic (i.e. light speed) already, and you have to include processing time at either end + various intermediary points anyway. As a result, the need for intercontinental LANs will never go away, and ping from NA to EU will never get under ~100ms. Thanks Einstein.
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Is it too low hanging fruit to make a AimIsADick DNS joke in this thread?

Is it too low hanging fruit to make a AimIsADick DNS joke in this thread?
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Definitely think one day we will be able to join a server and all have 5 ping no matter the location we play from. I don't know if it'll happen in our lifetimes, though.

Definitely think one day we will be able to join a server and all have 5 ping no matter the location we play from. I don't know if it'll happen in our lifetimes, though.
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Lots of online gaming.

The internet is going to be massive, guys. Trust me.

Lots of online gaming.

The internet is going to be massive, guys. Trust me.
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What if we drilled fiber through the earth, if we all pool together our money we can make it happen

What if we drilled fiber through the earth, if we all pool together our money we can make it happen
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Mars vs earth iseries online grand final when? Moon to replace aussies as permanent 4th place

Mars vs earth iseries online grand final when? Moon to replace aussies as permanent 4th place
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tf2 super league

tf2 super league
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Honestly this feels like this could be huge for players from south africa, they are often the big forgotten region of any competitive games, with this kind of technology they could play with eu or mena with manageable ping

Honestly this feels like this could be huge for players from south africa, they are often the big forgotten region of any competitive games, with this kind of technology they could play with eu or mena with manageable ping
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just wait when 6g comes out it will be faster than light and you will get negative ping !!!

just wait when 6g comes out it will be faster than light and you will get negative ping !!!
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Just use quantum entanglement netcode lol

Just use quantum entanglement netcode lol
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24I suppose you didn't realize that copper wiring will perhaps slow down signals and won't be able to carry a high signal strength over large distances, and running fiber / optical to each and every house or datacenter is already expensive.

Just because light is super fast, doesn't mean our general connections are, and furthermore, the cost of going speedy is potentially millions of dollars.

have u never heard of fibre broadband

[quote=24]
I suppose you didn't realize that copper wiring will perhaps slow down signals and won't be able to carry a high signal strength over large distances, and running fiber / optical to each and every house or datacenter is already expensive.

Just because light is super fast, doesn't mean our general connections are, and furthermore, the cost of going speedy is potentially millions of dollars.[/quote]

have u never heard of fibre broadband
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thinking NA ISPs will even roll out normal broadband (https://www.teamfortress.tv/52832/frontier-internet-a-love-story)

thinking NA ISPs will even roll out normal broadband (https://www.teamfortress.tv/52832/frontier-internet-a-love-story)
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Young_SanityThe future is me ill be the next b4nny I hope I can inspire the next gen of tf2 players :D

not something to aspire to

[quote=Young_Sanity]The future is me ill be the next b4nny I hope I can inspire the next gen of tf2 players :D[/quote]
not something to aspire to
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What's wrong with b4nny? Back when I was playing he was pretty well respected. Am I missing something?

What's wrong with b4nny? Back when I was playing he was pretty well respected. Am I missing something?
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AMCWhat's wrong with b4nny? Back when I was playing he was pretty well respected. Am I missing something?

who?

[quote=AMC]What's wrong with b4nny? Back when I was playing he was pretty well respected. Am I missing something?[/quote]
who?
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