I'm sorry - but that's just genuinely how I feel and my posts have mainly been me venting a bunch of stuff I've been ruminating on in my head for a long while now. I'm not trying to persuade you not to use AI or I'm going to kill myself or something stupid like that (being able to fix demos is actually a genuinely very useful thing). I have just done a lot of thinking about this recently and I think that if I were given the choice between living in a world where AI has made everything substantially worse in the way that I think it will, and just not existing any more, then I would choose the latter. This might be me completely catastrophising (and I really hope it is), but idk the future feels pretty bleak right now man.

I think there's a fair bit of debate as to how long it took the industrial revolution to improve living standards, the later estimates place that improvement in the late 19th century, so yes "a century" would have been better wording. It's hard to quantify because quality of life was pretty awful both before and during the industrial revolution and because that revolution was actually a whole chain of technological shifts, but the immediate effects certainly didn't seem great to live through. I also used deindustrialization as an example of a shift in labour markets where things don't really seem to have improved yet. Either way, I have the feeling it's going to be a rough few decades for a lot of people.

Yeah I don't believe the current state of models make using them anything like slavery because they aren't close to consciousness or sentience. But the stated goal of producing a "perfectly aligned" AGI does raise some alarm bells. Hopefully that's all hype. Honestly your degree of pessimism around the whole thing is pretty similar to mine, you just seem like you want to continue along in this potentially miserable future, whereas I feel like I should at least try as hard as I can to opt out.

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Anyway sorry for posting my honest feelings on the competitive tf2 forums guys, I just didn't really feel up to making a glib shitpost today. Enjoy this screenshot of an awesome ownage Post that's way funnier than anything I or anyone else in this thread could come up with.

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Unfortunately you have baited me into responding with the longest nerd essay i've ever written.

These attitudes just seem very contradictory however you look at them. It just feels like you're saying that people should never complain.

If the stated goal of AI is to make something that is self aware and conscious (or "has a soul" or whatever Amodei seems to be spouting these days) then yes you're pretty much trying to achieve a form of slavery. Obviously that's almost entirely hype, and I don't think we're at that stage currently and likely never will be, but isn't it the mission statement of a lot of these companies?

These two sentences in particular, but a lot of your post seems to indicate that you believe humans are inherently selfish and only hold ethical beliefs to signal virtue or feel superiority (perhaps you don't feel this way but your posts make it seem like it). I don't have much to say to this except that it's completely incompatible with my experience of the world. However, I can understand why it can be easy to believe (particularly if you spend a lot of time online) because some of the nastiest people are some of the loudest and that is something they do. However, even if you do believe this you still have to concede that if AI companies achieve their stated mission of getting rid of the jobs of huge swathes of the population, those people will continue to act in their own self interest to survive and this may not be particularly good for the stability of society or the security of those who kept their jobs.

AI enables organizations to massively increase productivity (and therefore supply) without taking on additional employees. In industries where there's a lot of unmet demand, this is probably quite good and people are quite happy but that's not the case in a lot of places where AI is being used. This leads to you getting a ton of overproduction of slop (subject of this thread lol) but also means that you can maintain the same level of productivity with far fewer people - this means a lot of people can just get laid off and the people left probably aren't having a great time either. This seems to have happened a lot in tech and so far in other industries it just seems like they just aren't hiring junior people. But if we stay on the same trajectory it's either going to start replacing senior jobs too, or people just have more and more to do as the older generation retire out.

Yeah this has always been a problem - see deindustrialization and outsourcing in a lot of western countries that happened in the second half of the 20th century (food for thought, those areas that were formerly heavily industrialized are still some of the most impoverished in their respective countries decades later). It's very obvious that this technology could potentially affect much wider swathes of society and it seems really short sighted that we're not trying to put anything in place for that. The idea that regulations that reduce companies bottom line never work is frankly laughable, it's so patently not true that when my five year old son read it on his way down to the mines, he spat out a mouthful of lead-water he'd just taken a swig of from his asbestos-lined bottle.

Quite the opposite actually, I've been doing what I've been doing for 11 years, and maybe this is hard for a lot of people to believe but I derive a lot of joy from a lot of the work that I do even when it's difficult. Fortunately, I'm doing something very obscure that doesn't make any real money and the pressure to be productive operates on much longer timescales for me so there's not the need for immediacy that AI rewards. Additionally there are quite a few aspects of my job that are physical and will probably take a relatively long time to be automated. Having said all that, those economic pressures are still there, and many parts of my job that give me joy and involve thinking, problem solving, creativity, learning or curiosity now just feel like a waste of time - I think I can see the writing on the wall. I can't imagine how people working in a fast moving industry feel.

I have restricted myself from posting on the last few threads about this but there's some sentiments in here that I see repeated all the time and just can't let go. I'm going to go off topic and not talk about slop projects because I don't think they're really such a relevant issue (although they do have their own problems). I think they're just an easy target that serve to remind people of the general malaise they have about how AI is being used. Personally they just kind of depress me more than anything.

Other people have made similar points but I think this is a really poor argument. It basically just boils down to "companies will will use any means to increase its profits and the consumer doesn't care so there's nothing you can do to compel them to stop". You could just as well make the same argument for industries using sweatshops or modern slave labour, but we do make an attempt to regulate these and other things that increase productivity but lower people's working conditions.

If your breadwinning is affected by AI, then if you're lucky your job stays but the expectation becomes that you're far more productive and your job becomes cleaning up large amounts of slop that the AI generates. If you're a person that's spent time building a career in a subject that you're passionate about then this changes your job to kind of a miserable middle management role that also requires far less expertise, so you become inherently more replaceable. If you're one of the unlucky ones your job is replaced entirely, which is the stated goal of AI for around 40% of the population. People love to talk about the industrial revolution and AI creating new kinds of jobs, but historically these new kinds of jobs can take decades to centuries to manifest (often after a lot of public pushback that sometimes gets quite nasty), and in the short term (a working persons remaining lifespan), these types of technological revolutions just push a lot of people into poverty.

On a very real note, AI is the only thing that has ever made me seriously contemplate suicide. I don't have any desire to die now, but in most of the futures that it could bring that feel plausible to me, it just seems like the rational decision would be to not exist in that world. I'm obviously going to wait and see what happens and hope that I'm wrong. Maybe this will be a wonderful technology that will bring a better future, but a better future for who?

its a good bit but theres not enough variation on the theme, u need to introduce slightly weirder details about the character with each thread to really sell it.

hell yeah bro! Personally on a friday night i like to hammer a few crayons up my nose and lose 18 pugs in a row, whom is with me??

https://youtu.be/_tzSVfSJMj8?si=gtyb7pSPfOG3t56Z&t=151

Looking for the clip where clockwork hits 100% SMG on a scout on gullywash. Thanks.

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Update LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaEFJRkQY4s

I remember premuda 17 years ago when it was being tested as an A/D ctf map designed so the point caps instantly when you land on it with the ctf. I also remember it being one of the biggest map downloads that existed at like 150 mb (it did look cool though). Has it changed at all or is it the same mess it was then with the added bonus of all the points having extra cap time they werent designed for?

My awesome hero father, who has saved many lives.

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Happy 10th anniversary to the greatest tf2 interview of all time