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451
#451
14 Frags +

Dropped out in September. Could've went on, but it was only a matter of time before I ran out of options and would be forced to quit. My grades weren't improving and progress was too slow

Luckily the people at my student job are cool and I can work there fulltime until I decide what to do. Can change things about my contract easily if I decide to start a different degree and stuff. Lots of social interaction as well which I was lacking after I fell behind my friends who were struggling a lot less than I was.
Working fulltime for now. Probably looking into something IT related and keeping the current job halftime once that starts.

I'm alright with the current events. Would've loved to get the chemistry degree, but going to college has made my body start to react very negatively towards stress. I initially changed campus because I thought I was allergic to some tree that was blossoming (I have hay fever). it turned out later it was the stress from going to class that was making me ill

I'm happier now

Dropped out in September. Could've went on, but it was only a matter of time before I ran out of options and would be forced to quit. My grades weren't improving and progress was too slow

Luckily the people at my student job are cool and I can work there fulltime until I decide what to do. Can change things about my contract easily if I decide to start a different degree and stuff. Lots of social interaction as well which I was lacking after I fell behind my friends who were struggling a lot less than I was.
Working fulltime for now. Probably looking into something IT related and keeping the current job halftime once that starts.

I'm alright with the current events. Would've loved to get the chemistry degree, but going to college has made my body start to react very negatively towards stress. I initially changed campus because I thought I was allergic to some tree that was blossoming (I have hay fever). it turned out later it was the stress from going to class that was making me ill

I'm happier now
452
#452
9 Frags +

my grandfather, someone i was very close to, passed away, my grades are almost unsaveable in college, tf2 has been making me into an angrier person because my medication prescription ran out a month or so ago and ive just been making my life more unhealthy by playing it all the time, i keep losing my friends because of my own volition, and the only game ive ever been even semi decent at is no longer fun to me anymore. i find myself lost in trying to find something i would be interested in, and if i can even convince myself to even pretend to be interested in something for a little bit, i feel like a sack of shit trying to practice because i feel like it's too late to be good at anything. i know realistically that doesn't make any sense, 21 is not that old, but i wanted to have a satisfying youth since my childhood was terrible, and i am venting these frustrations on TFTV because no one else would ever want to listen anyway, and if they did they wouldn't care

to top it all off, i played the worst tf2 of my life in our playoff match and am probably just getting clowned on by everyone deservingly

my grandfather, someone i was very close to, passed away, my grades are almost unsaveable in college, tf2 has been making me into an angrier person because my medication prescription ran out a month or so ago and ive just been making my life more unhealthy by playing it all the time, i keep losing my friends because of my own volition, and the only game ive ever been even semi decent at is no longer fun to me anymore. i find myself lost in trying to find something i would be interested in, and if i can even convince myself to even pretend to be interested in something for a little bit, i feel like a sack of shit trying to practice because i feel like it's too late to be good at anything. i know realistically that doesn't make any sense, 21 is not that old, but i wanted to have a satisfying youth since my childhood was terrible, and i am venting these frustrations on TFTV because no one else would ever want to listen anyway, and if they did they wouldn't care

to top it all off, i played the worst tf2 of my life in our playoff match and am probably just getting clowned on by everyone deservingly
453
#453
4 Frags +

I transferred schools to pursue a different degree and get away from the toxic environment I was feeling at my old one. Now that I am down here, living on my own outside of a college town (new school is an urban campus in Detroit) with no close friends around I'm super lonely and only have my online friends to be around outside of talking to people from work or my classes.

While I cherish the friends I have and the good times we spent together I know that the amount of time I spent online is negatively impacting my grades and work ethic, but if I take a breather and back away from steam for a bit I get disconnect with the only people I talk to on a regular basis. I know I could be helping myself by joining some extracurricular activities or doing whatever interest me, but I have to work and go to school full time.

I'm 21 and I feel I have made basically zero progress in my two years of higher education. Just feeling helpless.

I transferred schools to pursue a different degree and get away from the toxic environment I was feeling at my old one. Now that I am down here, living on my own outside of a college town (new school is an urban campus in Detroit) with no close friends around I'm super lonely and only have my online friends to be around outside of talking to people from work or my classes.

While I cherish the friends I have and the good times we spent together I know that the amount of time I spent online is negatively impacting my grades and work ethic, but if I take a breather and back away from steam for a bit I get disconnect with the only people I talk to on a regular basis. I know I could be helping myself by joining some extracurricular activities or doing whatever interest me, but I have to work and go to school full time.

I'm 21 and I feel I have made basically zero progress in my two years of higher education. Just feeling helpless.
454
#454
-4 Frags +

too much detergent on my clothes it hurts my nose feel bad

too much detergent on my clothes it hurts my nose feel bad
455
#455
3 Frags +

my girlfriend is an incredible person and I don't feel like I deserve her anymore. I'm not good at video games anymore. I feel like I'm getting dumber and I keep getting angry that I can't do all the little things I used to be able to do. I feel washed up and I'm only 20. I'm just sad.

my girlfriend is an incredible person and I don't feel like I deserve her anymore. I'm not good at video games anymore. I feel like I'm getting dumber and I keep getting angry that I can't do all the little things I used to be able to do. I feel washed up and I'm only 20. I'm just sad.
456
#456
26 Frags +

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525835964841459715/528523954546016266/simp.png

[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525835964841459715/528523954546016266/simp.png[/img]
457
#457
3 Frags +

i really wanted to play this season cause invite was looking fat but my internet is just straight up too shit to do so.

for all my fellow canadians out there, #fuckrogers

i really wanted to play this season cause invite was looking fat but my internet is just straight up too shit to do so.

for all my fellow canadians out there, #fuckrogers
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#458
8 Frags +

im probably at the lowest point in happiness ive probably ever been in. im usually a very happy person so this feels so weird to me
idk what to do about it

im probably at the lowest point in happiness ive probably ever been in. im usually a very happy person so this feels so weird to me
idk what to do about it
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#459
8 Frags +

my childhood home has gradually turned into "room at my parents house i sleep in 3 weeks a year" over the last 3 years

my childhood home has gradually turned into "room at my parents house i sleep in 3 weeks a year" over the last 3 years
460
#460
36 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/gfqSqRB.jpg

:/

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gfqSqRB.jpg[/img]

:/
461
#461
9 Frags +
capnnofapnhttps://i.imgur.com/gfqSqRB.jpg

:/

please delete this, it's too real

[quote=capnnofapn][img]https://i.imgur.com/gfqSqRB.jpg[/img]

:/[/quote]
please delete this, it's too real
462
#462
17 Frags +

shoutout to every1 else sitting in their bedrooms on new years

shoutout to every1 else sitting in their bedrooms on new years
463
#463
16 Frags +

3 days ago
"Hi dad. Haven't seen you in a couple months. Plans for NYE already? If not, how about we go watch the fireworks again like we've been doing the past 3 years?"
"I don't know yet, son. Might have work, I can't really tell yet."
"No problem, I'll send you a text on NYE once I get out of work"
"Sure thing!"

Today, 4 hours after sending text. no reply. almost 9pm

3 days ago
"Hi dad. Haven't seen you in a couple months. Plans for NYE already? If not, how about we go watch the fireworks again like we've been doing the past 3 years?"
"I don't know yet, son. Might have work, I can't really tell yet."
"No problem, I'll send you a text on NYE once I get out of work"
"Sure thing!"

Today, 4 hours after sending text. no reply. almost 9pm
464
#464
5 Frags +

ive just been feeling so sad lately

ive just been feeling so sad lately
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#465
23 Frags +

Hey everyone. I'm sure many of you know me by name for my actions and words than my merit, but since there's likely people who have joined this community since I took a hiatus from our game I'd like to give a quick synopsis of myself to those people who may not know me or know my reputation in the community.

Being as blunt and honest as possible, I was an individual who struggled with toxicity and an overinflated ego. I considered myself to be a player way beyond my caliber, I was incredibly rude and toxic to many people, both strangers and people I considered dear friends. I made jokes and comments that often included sexist/racist remarks, I tore down people for my own amusement, I verbally abused people simply to get out my own anger of not being where I should've been mechanically considering my time invested in the game.

After roughly three to four years playing competitive TF2 (Season 18 - Season 27), I told many that I was quitting TF2 for Quake Champions out of boredom and lack of interest with TF2, but that wasn't the whole story. There's a lot of things I haven't shared with people concerning my mental health and well-being. Not many people know I lost my mother to cancer in 2010, long before I found my way here. Not many people know that I've dealt with bouts of severe depression and suicidal tendencies stemming from that event. Not many people know about my subsequent dropping out of college following her death. Not many people know that I tried to take my own life once during the course of my time playing ESEA TF2. I haven't ever told anyone about my bouts with alcoholism and how debilitating it became.

I left the community because partly because of the reputation I put together for myself and how irreparable I deemed it, but I also left because I was in a very dark place and needed to get myself away from the obligations of ESEA TF2 and put myself into a group of people who I wasn't very familiar with, making it easier to hide my pain and my issues from them like I have from people here. I haven't ever really talked to anyone about these issues out of fear of being seen as weak or mentally unstable and subsequently being judged harshly.

I've since gotten a lot of mental help from friends and family and seen a therapist for my issues with depression. I still regrettably drink but not to any extent I did before. I started playing TF2 again recently due to a lapse in events and organized play in Quake Champions and felt that if I truly do want to be a part of this community again that I would have to face my fears and exercise my demons. I know I was a terrible person in the past who has done and said things that likely can't ever be forgiven, but all I'm asking for from you all is a second chance to show people that I've reformed myself and I'm committed to being a better person than I ever was.

Sincerely, James "viper" Montgomery

Hey everyone. I'm sure many of you know me by name for my actions and words than my merit, but since there's likely people who have joined this community since I took a hiatus from our game I'd like to give a quick synopsis of myself to those people who may not know me or know my reputation in the community.

Being as blunt and honest as possible, I was an individual who struggled with toxicity and an overinflated ego. I considered myself to be a player way beyond my caliber, I was incredibly rude and toxic to many people, both strangers and people I considered dear friends. I made jokes and comments that often included sexist/racist remarks, I tore down people for my own amusement, I verbally abused people simply to get out my own anger of not being where I should've been mechanically considering my time invested in the game.

After roughly three to four years playing competitive TF2 (Season 18 - Season 27), I told many that I was quitting TF2 for Quake Champions out of boredom and lack of interest with TF2, but that wasn't the whole story. There's a lot of things I haven't shared with people concerning my mental health and well-being. Not many people know I lost my mother to cancer in 2010, long before I found my way here. Not many people know that I've dealt with bouts of severe depression and suicidal tendencies stemming from that event. Not many people know about my subsequent dropping out of college following her death. Not many people know that I tried to take my own life once during the course of my time playing ESEA TF2. I haven't ever told anyone about my bouts with alcoholism and how debilitating it became.

I left the community because partly because of the reputation I put together for myself and how irreparable I deemed it, but I also left because I was in a very dark place and needed to get myself away from the obligations of ESEA TF2 and put myself into a group of people who I wasn't very familiar with, making it easier to hide my pain and my issues from them like I have from people here. I haven't ever really talked to anyone about these issues out of fear of being seen as weak or mentally unstable and subsequently being judged harshly.

I've since gotten a lot of mental help from friends and family and seen a therapist for my issues with depression. I still regrettably drink but not to any extent I did before. I started playing TF2 again recently due to a lapse in events and organized play in Quake Champions and felt that if I truly do want to be a part of this community again that I would have to face my fears and exercise my demons. I know I was a terrible person in the past who has done and said things that likely can't ever be forgiven, but all I'm asking for from you all is a second chance to show people that I've reformed myself and I'm committed to being a better person than I ever was.

Sincerely, James "viper" Montgomery
466
#466
16 Frags +
viperSincerely, James "viper" Montgomery

ill say it here, you were very toxic towards me calling me a rapist/retard/etc. and whatnot and said things that were completely untrue even if they were jokes it kind of made me mad/and sad. And it really hurt my feelings because other people (your friends/people around you would pick up on it and tease me about meeting and hanging out with certain people at rewind 1). Honestly im adult so i handled the situation, by just not talking to you ever again. But its like it seems like a waste of a potential friendship or something, by immediately just blocking/muting someone,but i had to do it. Sorry about that. I wanted to let you know that i still don't hate you for it. Because i am very blunt and honest as well you have to do something really bad for me to hate you.I wanted to write this because i wanted to make you aware , because every time i see you in game or mumble i never want to talk to you, because of how you treated me.

You seemed honest in your post, and i hope things are going well for you now. If you ever want to talk hmu.

[quote=viper]
Sincerely, James "viper" Montgomery[/quote]
ill say it here, you were very toxic towards me calling me a rapist/retard/etc. and whatnot and said things that were completely untrue even if they were jokes it kind of made me mad/and sad. And it really hurt my feelings because other people (your friends/people around you would pick up on it and tease me about meeting and hanging out with certain people at rewind 1). Honestly im adult so i handled the situation, by just not talking to you ever again. But its like it seems like a waste of a potential friendship or something, by immediately just blocking/muting someone,but i had to do it. Sorry about that. I wanted to let you know that i still don't hate you for it. Because i am very blunt and honest as well you have to do something really bad for me to hate you.I wanted to write this because i wanted to make you aware , because every time i see you in game or mumble i never want to talk to you, because of how you treated me.

You seemed honest in your post, and i hope things are going well for you now. If you ever want to talk hmu.
467
#467
0 Frags +

Feels like my rsi is getting worse and it's kinda scary to think that I'm compromising my health for this game, I still don't want to take a break just yet, I enjoy scrims, officials, dm and pubs and I want to improve so when I quit I can quit for good without feeling like I didn't reach my goal. I'm feeling time pressured since I want to improve enough to get on a good team for LAN and really prove people wrong in case it's my last LAN. My team doesn't scrim 5 days a week and I know I can't force others to commit to such a thing so I try to fill the void with pugs and mixes where I don't enjoy it 90% of the time. I think the slight pain of my rsi makes me want to rush my improvement even further so I don't end up being unable to reach my goal because I wasted time in other games or by not practicing in order to get better.
I feel like I've also become more cynical and bitter towards things whereas before I would just try to remain positive no matter what, I wouldn't say I'm the worst offender of being toxic but I feel like I've become incredibly toxic relative to what I was a few years ago. I contradict myself a bit since even though I feel a bit bad about how I react to some situations nowadays I still feel that I should be allowed to react in such manners.

Feels like my rsi is getting worse and it's kinda scary to think that I'm compromising my health for this game, I still don't want to take a break just yet, I enjoy scrims, officials, dm and pubs and I want to improve so when I quit I can quit for good without feeling like I didn't reach my goal. I'm feeling time pressured since I want to improve enough to get on a good team for LAN and really prove people wrong in case it's my last LAN. My team doesn't scrim 5 days a week and I know I can't force others to commit to such a thing so I try to fill the void with pugs and mixes where I don't enjoy it 90% of the time. I think the slight pain of my rsi makes me want to rush my improvement even further so I don't end up being unable to reach my goal because I wasted time in other games or by not practicing in order to get better.
I feel like I've also become more cynical and bitter towards things whereas before I would just try to remain positive no matter what, I wouldn't say I'm the worst offender of being toxic but I feel like I've become incredibly toxic relative to what I was a few years ago. I contradict myself a bit since even though I feel a bit bad about how I react to some situations nowadays I still feel that I should be allowed to react in such manners.
468
#468
1 Frags +

Do you do regular stretches and shit for your hand/wrist? Also have you considered trying out a different mouse from whatever you use now?

I used to use the original FK and it fucking killed my wrist to the point that I stopped playing for a while, went to a much bigger mouse (g400s) and was perfectly fine playing with 0 pain again.

Do you do regular stretches and shit for your hand/wrist? Also have you considered trying out a different mouse from whatever you use now?

I used to use the original FK and it fucking killed my wrist to the point that I stopped playing for a while, went to a much bigger mouse (g400s) and was perfectly fine playing with 0 pain again.
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#469
0 Frags +

Yes, I also recently switched from a g400s to a Mionix Naos as my hands are a bit big (or at the very least, my fingers are long) and since I palm grip a lot it's been nice to rest my hand and fingers without scratching my mousepad.
I started noticing in my right arm when i played with 60cm/360 and have since switched to 21cm/360

Yes, I also recently switched from a g400s to a Mionix Naos as my hands are a bit big (or at the very least, my fingers are long) and since I palm grip a lot it's been nice to rest my hand and fingers without scratching my mousepad.
I started noticing in my right arm when i played with 60cm/360 and have since switched to 21cm/360
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#470
22 Frags +

just checked/recieved my college admissions letters and i've been rejected from every single uni that I genuinely wanted to get into except for one, and that other one has me waitlisted, which from what i am able to tell from the statistics of people on the waitlist that get accepted is practically the same as being rejected. after spending so much time and energy doing the best i can in school and putting a fuckton of effort and time on my applications to the point of having a mental breakdown and now being told that it was all for nothing fucking hurts.

just checked/recieved my college admissions letters and i've been rejected from every single uni that I genuinely wanted to get into except for one, and that other one has me waitlisted, which from what i am able to tell from the statistics of people on the waitlist that get accepted is practically the same as being rejected. after spending so much time and energy doing the best i can in school and putting a fuckton of effort and time on my applications to the point of having a mental breakdown and now being told that it was all for nothing fucking hurts.
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#471
16 Frags +

My psychiatrist suspects that I'm on the spectrum and thusly struggle with finding and maintaining relationships, among many other things.

At the same, I struggle with autophobia and my thoughts quickly spiral into near insanity when I'm left alone. This is very frustrating.

Regardless, finally being diagnosed and receiving the mental care that I need is a relieving thought. Many years of my life have been lost because of my confusion.

My psychiatrist suspects that I'm on the spectrum and thusly struggle with finding and maintaining relationships, among many other things.

At the same, I struggle with autophobia and my thoughts quickly spiral into near insanity when I'm left alone. This is very frustrating.

Regardless, finally being diagnosed and receiving the mental care that I need is a relieving thought. Many years of my life have been lost because of my confusion.
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#472
8 Frags +

Does anyone else have these constant cringing flashbacks to everything you are not proud of, regret or moments that embarrassed you? Every fucking day when I'm alone I'm just mentally repeating everything wrong with my life and everything that's pathetic about my existence.

Does anyone else have these constant cringing flashbacks to everything you are not proud of, regret or moments that embarrassed you? Every fucking day when I'm alone I'm just mentally repeating everything wrong with my life and everything that's pathetic about my existence.
473
#473
3 Frags +
CollaideDoes anyone else have these constant cringing flashbacks.

I would't say mine are constant, but when my mind isn't doing anything I'll sometimes remember cringe shit i did. Whether it's years ago or recently doesn't really matter. And if i dont stop myself my mind will start going from one moment to the next making a big ol list.

I think it's healthy tbh. And focussing on something else stops it quickly.

[quote=Collaide]Does anyone else have these constant cringing flashbacks.[/quote]

I would't say mine are constant, but when my mind isn't doing anything I'll sometimes remember cringe shit i did. Whether it's years ago or recently doesn't really matter. And if i dont stop myself my mind will start going from one moment to the next making a big ol list.

I think it's healthy tbh. And focussing on something else stops it quickly.
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#474
4 Frags +
CollaideDoes anyone else have these constant cringing flashbacks to everything you are not proud of, regret or moments that embarrassed you? Every fucking day when I'm alone I'm just mentally repeating everything wrong with my life and everything that's pathetic about my existence.

isn’t this normal lol chill
regardless, a nice way to look at it is that by cringing about it, it shows that you’ve grown as a person

[quote=Collaide]Does anyone else have these constant cringing flashbacks to everything you are not proud of, regret or moments that embarrassed you? Every fucking day when I'm alone I'm just mentally repeating everything wrong with my life and everything that's pathetic about my existence.[/quote]
isn’t this normal lol chill
regardless, a nice way to look at it is that by cringing about it, it shows that you’ve grown as a person
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#475
1 Frags +
wtzCollaideisn’t this normal lol chill
regardless, a nice way to look at it is that by cringing about it, it shows that you’ve grown as a person

i dont know if it shows that tbh, because im still socially retarded and would make the same mistakes in conversations or other situations as i did. its led to a point where i literally never initiate talking with people at all and im just sitting alone in silence constantly. all i can think of while i do it is how pathetic i am for not talking to people, how pathetic i am for choosing to go home and cry in my bed over socializing with people i dont know. and every second that passes where i dont talk to people i feel more and more ashamed over myself, the anxiety gets worse, and it gets even harder to talk. the semester has started and during the 4 first week i havent even eaten lunch with anyone yet, because im too ashamed and anxious to join someone. yes im trying to get help but my first meeting is in 11 days and i just needed to vent some.

[quote=wtz][quote=Collaide][/quote]
isn’t this normal lol chill
regardless, a nice way to look at it is that by cringing about it, it shows that you’ve grown as a person[/quote]
i dont know if it shows that tbh, because im still socially retarded and would make the same mistakes in conversations or other situations as i did. its led to a point where i literally never initiate talking with people at all and im just sitting alone in silence constantly. all i can think of while i do it is how pathetic i am for not talking to people, how pathetic i am for choosing to go home and cry in my bed over socializing with people i dont know. and every second that passes where i dont talk to people i feel more and more ashamed over myself, the anxiety gets worse, and it gets even harder to talk. the semester has started and during the 4 first week i havent even eaten lunch with anyone yet, because im too ashamed and anxious to join someone. yes im trying to get help but my first meeting is in 11 days and i just needed to vent some.
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#476
5 Frags +

your cringiness in conversations sticks in your head a lot more than it does in the other person's. i highly doubt anyone even remembers any of those mistakes you made talking to them so theres no need to stress yourself about them

your cringiness in conversations sticks in your head a lot more than it does in the other person's. i highly doubt anyone even remembers any of those mistakes you made talking to them so theres no need to stress yourself about them
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#477
-14 Frags +

my name jeff

my name jeff
478
#478
3 Frags +

It gets easier collaide. When I was younger I'd *constantly* second guess myself and agonize over my actions. Part of that process is figuring out who you actually are and what you believe - and knowing what you want out of a given situation. That comes with time. Part of the reason we fixate on that stuff when you're younger is because you're trying to figure those sorts of things out. I won't say I don't still screw up or say the wrong things, but I get over it a lot faster.

If you really do fuck up and offend somebody, then take ownership of it and apologize if you don't want to end that particular relationship. I have run into cohorts who are socially awkward and *also* irresponsible so they tend to find themselves isolated because they not only offend people, accidentally, but then they don't seem to process why or even that the other party has a right to be offended.

The real downside to being old is encountering the perpetually grumpy folks that inhabit so many adult spaces lol.

It gets easier collaide. When I was younger I'd *constantly* second guess myself and agonize over my actions. Part of that process is figuring out who you actually are and what you believe - and knowing what you want out of a given situation. That comes with time. Part of the reason we fixate on that stuff when you're younger is because you're trying to figure those sorts of things out. I won't say I don't still screw up or say the wrong things, but I get over it a lot faster.

If you really do fuck up and offend somebody, then take ownership of it and apologize if you don't want to end that particular relationship. I have run into cohorts who are socially awkward and *also* irresponsible so they tend to find themselves isolated because they not only offend people, accidentally, but then they don't seem to process why or even that the other party has a right to be offended.

The real downside to being old is encountering the perpetually grumpy folks that inhabit so many adult spaces lol.
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#479
2 Frags +
MarxistIt gets easier collaide. When I was younger I'd *constantly* second guess myself and agonize over my actions. Part of that process is figuring out who you actually are and what you believe - and knowing what you want out of a given situation. That comes with time. Part of the reason we fixate on that stuff when you're younger is because you're trying to figure those sorts of things out. I won't say I don't still screw up or say the wrong things, but I get over it a lot faster.

If you really do fuck up and offend somebody, then take ownership of it and apologize if you don't want to end that particular relationship. I have run into cohorts who are socially awkward and *also* irresponsible so they tend to find themselves isolated because they not only offend people, accidentally, but then they don't seem to process why or even that the other party has a right to be offended.

The real downside to being old is encountering the perpetually grumpy folks that inhabit so many adult spaces lol.

thanks marxist

[quote=Marxist]It gets easier collaide. When I was younger I'd *constantly* second guess myself and agonize over my actions. Part of that process is figuring out who you actually are and what you believe - and knowing what you want out of a given situation. That comes with time. Part of the reason we fixate on that stuff when you're younger is because you're trying to figure those sorts of things out. I won't say I don't still screw up or say the wrong things, but I get over it a lot faster.

If you really do fuck up and offend somebody, then take ownership of it and apologize if you don't want to end that particular relationship. I have run into cohorts who are socially awkward and *also* irresponsible so they tend to find themselves isolated because they not only offend people, accidentally, but then they don't seem to process why or even that the other party has a right to be offended.

The real downside to being old is encountering the perpetually grumpy folks that inhabit so many adult spaces lol.[/quote]
thanks marxist
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