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Windows 11
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newbie.tf
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Call me a boomer but windows 11 looks like chromeOS with .exes

Thoughts, anyone?

Call me a boomer but windows 11 looks like chromeOS with .exes

Thoughts, anyone?
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#2
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shan't

shan't
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#3
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windows 11 - now with more spyware and backdoors than ever before

windows 11 - now with more spyware and backdoors than ever before
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#4
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windows 11 rhymes with windows 7

windows 11 rhymes with windows 7
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#5
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ew rounded corners

ew rounded corners
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#6
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I already hate the UI, but it's even worse that "apparently" you have to pay to align the taskbar to the lower left. Haven't fact checked yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if that turned to be the case.

There are claims of performance improvements over Win10, but that's probably because Leaked Win11 has no junk in it (like telemetry, useless features, etc.) In the event that the release Win11 turns out to be trash, I hope someone can make used of Leaked Win11 to improve the upstream version.

I already hate the UI, but it's even worse that "apparently" you have to pay to align the taskbar to the lower left. Haven't fact checked yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if that turned to be the case.

There are claims of performance improvements over Win10, but that's probably because Leaked Win11 has no junk in it (like telemetry, useless features, etc.) In the event that the release Win11 turns out to be trash, I hope someone can make used of Leaked Win11 to improve the upstream version.
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11>10 good os

11>10 good os
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are we going to need a SSD to run this one too?

are we going to need a SSD to run this one too?
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#9
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I just switched to 10 like a year ago, fuck off.

I just switched to 10 like a year ago, fuck off.
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#10
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stop calling everything an app god damnit

stop calling everything an app god damnit
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4hpare we going to need a SSD to run this one too?

why the fuck are you still implying anyone should be using spinning rust for an OS drive regardless of OS? SSDs are actually reasonably priced nowadays and are the single biggest upgrade anyone will ever make for their system if they are still on an HDD.
HDDs are there for cheap mass storage now, and that is it.

[quote=4hp]are we going to need a SSD to run this one too?[/quote]
why the fuck are you still implying anyone should be using spinning rust for an OS drive regardless of OS? SSDs are actually reasonably priced nowadays and are the single biggest upgrade anyone will ever make for their system if they are still on an HDD.
HDDs are there for cheap mass storage now, and that is it.
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theyre trying so hard to be apple but will fail miserably lmao it's sad

theyre trying so hard to be apple but will fail miserably lmao it's sad
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#13
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maybe this time they'll give us a search function that works. i miss windows 7

maybe this time they'll give us a search function that works. i miss windows 7
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sunderkeeninelitism

any OS worth its salt should be lightweight enough that it shouldn't even come into play in deciding your build. I never had any issues using a HDD until win 10's endless background processes started melting it.

[quote=sunderkeenin]elitism[/quote]

any OS worth its salt should be lightweight enough that it shouldn't even come into play in deciding your build. I never had any issues using a HDD until win 10's endless background processes started melting it.
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4hpsunderkeeninelitism
any OS worth its salt should be lightweight enough that it shouldn't even come into play in deciding your build. I never had any issues using a HDD until win 10's endless background processes started melting it.

even where an OS is "light enough" there are different optimization considerations when fragmentation is no longer an issue due to the differing nature of flash vs spinning rust storage. I'm not saying windows 10 is good for forcing use of an SSD, but that SSDs are both so much better and so much more available nowadays that not being on an SSD is basically fucking coping. Remember, the reason why games are 200 gigs is because of the shortcoming of hard drives, not because they need to be 200 gigs, for example.

I do not like windows 10, and I do not use windows 10 outside of my work-only machine which is a right proper piece of shit, and even it has an SSD.

[quote=4hp][quote=sunderkeenin]elitism[/quote]

any OS worth its salt should be lightweight enough that it shouldn't even come into play in deciding your build. I never had any issues using a HDD until win 10's endless background processes started melting it.[/quote]
even where an OS is "light enough" there are different optimization considerations when fragmentation is no longer an issue due to the differing nature of flash vs spinning rust storage. I'm not saying windows 10 is good for forcing use of an SSD, but that SSDs are both so much better and so much more available nowadays that not being on an SSD is basically fucking coping. Remember, the reason why games are 200 gigs is because of the shortcoming of hard drives, not because they need to be 200 gigs, for example.

I do not like windows 10, and I do not use windows 10 outside of my work-only machine which is a right proper piece of shit, and even it has an SSD.
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#16
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remember when they said 10 was going to be "the last windows version"

that didn't last long lmao

remember when they said 10 was going to be "the last windows version"

that didn't last long lmao
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4hpsunderkeeninelitism
any OS worth its salt should be lightweight enough that it shouldn't even come into play in deciding your build. I never had any issues using a HDD until win 10's endless background processes started melting it.

if ur going to happily run outdated hardware why complain about running outdated software

bearodactyltheyre trying so hard to be apple but will fail miserably lmao it's sad

what are you getting at with this? windows has much better usability in most cases and most of the new stuff im seeing is improving on windows' strengths, not copying apple's. are you talking about the more minimal design or focus on native apps, or something else i haven't heard about?

[quote=4hp][quote=sunderkeenin]elitism[/quote]

any OS worth its salt should be lightweight enough that it shouldn't even come into play in deciding your build. I never had any issues using a HDD until win 10's endless background processes started melting it.[/quote]
if ur going to happily run outdated hardware why complain about running outdated software

[quote=bearodactyl]theyre trying so hard to be apple but will fail miserably lmao it's sad[/quote]
what are you getting at with this? windows has much better usability in most cases and most of the new stuff im seeing is improving on windows' strengths, not copying apple's. are you talking about the more minimal design or focus on native apps, or something else i haven't heard about?
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#15
NVMe is a lot better than SATA for SSDs and Windows 11 would still be a shit OS if it couldn't boot from anything but NVMe. It's the same thing.

Or a better comparison: Everyone got at least two cores these days. No one should be buying a single core CPU anymore. Does that mean it's acceptable for an OS to be so bloated that it needs at least two cores because even in idle a single core would be at 100%? Hell no.

#15
NVMe is a lot better than SATA for SSDs and Windows 11 would still be a shit OS if it couldn't boot from anything but NVMe. It's the same thing.

Or a better comparison: Everyone got at least two cores these days. No one should be buying a single core CPU anymore. Does that mean it's acceptable for an OS to be so bloated that it needs at least two cores because even in idle a single core would be at 100%? Hell no.
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Setsul#15
NVMe is a lot better than SATA for SSDs and Windows 11 would still be a shit OS if it couldn't boot from anything but NVMe. It's the same thing.

Or a better comparison: Everyone got at least two cores these days. No one should be buying a single core CPU anymore. Does that mean it's acceptable for an OS to be so bloated that it needs at least two cores because even in idle a single core would be at 100%? Hell no.

and there are options which both leverage the strength of SSDs and don't do that. I run Artix because I was bored and wanted to try not systemd but I don't really advise it. Arch is nice though because the AUR lets you be lazy and not think and you can run someone else's install script so you don't have to think when installing either.
As I said in a less extreme manner previously, windows 10 is a fucking dumpster fire on fire with skunk perfume to make it smell better. I miss Windows 7, Microsoft making it not work on newer CPUs was the hill I died on even though it's a trivial workaround and I moved to Linux at that point.

I don't think the state of Windows is acceptable. I'm just saying that expecting users to be running an SSD isn't actually unreasonable, and there are far worse things to worry about like the largely inferior cpu scheduling, built-in spyware, instability of updates, fucking preinstalled nearly unremoveable candy crush, forcing Microsoft accounts in setup when you aren't offline, windows search indexing being fucking dogshit, inconsistent theming with settings functionality split between various menus from various windows versions to make you lost even if you're an actual fucking poweruser, and in general Microsoft's largely irresponsible handling of Windows.

Having an SSD for boot drive vs not having an SSD for boot drive is not really the hill to die on here imo and the problem isn't really SSD optimization vs HDD optimization on windows, but the utter lack of optimization and stability on Windows in general as a desktop operating system. It's just one more reason why you should have an SSD for a boot drive anyways.

[quote=Setsul]#15
NVMe is a lot better than SATA for SSDs and Windows 11 would still be a shit OS if it couldn't boot from anything but NVMe. It's the same thing.

Or a better comparison: Everyone got at least two cores these days. No one should be buying a single core CPU anymore. Does that mean it's acceptable for an OS to be so bloated that it needs at least two cores because even in idle a single core would be at 100%? Hell no.[/quote]

and there are options which both leverage the strength of SSDs and don't do that. I run Artix because I was bored and wanted to try not systemd but I don't really advise it. Arch is nice though because the AUR lets you be lazy and not think and you can run someone else's install script so you don't have to think when installing either.
As I said in a less extreme manner previously, windows 10 is a fucking dumpster fire on fire with skunk perfume to make it smell better. I miss Windows 7, Microsoft making it not work on newer CPUs was the hill I died on even though it's a trivial workaround and I moved to Linux at that point.

I don't think the state of Windows is acceptable. I'm just saying that expecting users to be running an SSD isn't actually unreasonable, and there are far worse things to worry about like the largely inferior cpu scheduling, built-in spyware, instability of updates, fucking preinstalled nearly unremoveable candy crush, forcing Microsoft accounts in setup when you aren't offline, windows search indexing being fucking dogshit, inconsistent theming with settings functionality split between various menus from various windows versions to make you lost even if you're an actual fucking poweruser, and in general Microsoft's largely irresponsible handling of Windows.

Having an SSD for boot drive vs not having an SSD for boot drive is not really the hill to die on here imo and the problem isn't really SSD optimization vs HDD optimization on windows, but the utter lack of optimization and stability on Windows in general as a desktop operating system. It's just one more reason why you should have an SSD for a boot drive anyways.
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Yeah, you're arguing about two different things.
Expecting users to have an SSD and optimizing for that because HDDs just aren't going to get you optimal performance these days is reasonable.
Being an unoptimized piece of shit that is so much of a resource hog that it desperately needs the increased performance of an SSD just to get back where we started is not.

Yeah, you're arguing about two different things.
Expecting users to have an SSD and optimizing for that because HDDs just aren't going to get you optimal performance these days is reasonable.
Being an unoptimized piece of shit that is so much of a resource hog that it desperately needs the increased performance of an SSD just to get back where we started is not.
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still using win7 lmao

still using win7 lmao
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#22
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shitty software developers will always manage to make exponentially better hardware feel like a 5% improvement

shitty software developers will always manage to make exponentially better hardware feel like a 5% improvement
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zx37bearodactyltheyre trying so hard to be apple but will fail miserably lmao it's sadwhat are you getting at with this? windows has much better usability in most cases and most of the new stuff im seeing is improving on windows' strengths, not copying apple's. are you talking about the more minimal design or focus on native apps, or something else i haven't heard about?

i just meant if u go on their site it literally looks like a macbook and a shitty approximation for the new mac os with rounded corners for everything
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

[quote=zx37]
[quote=bearodactyl]theyre trying so hard to be apple but will fail miserably lmao it's sad[/quote]
what are you getting at with this? windows has much better usability in most cases and most of the new stuff im seeing is improving on windows' strengths, not copying apple's. are you talking about the more minimal design or focus on native apps, or something else i haven't heard about?[/quote]
i just meant if u go on their site it literally looks like a macbook and a shitty approximation for the new mac os with rounded corners for everything
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11
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bearodactylhttps://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

lmfao yea they have been ripping off mac designs for their laptops for years, like google did with the pixel (does make the surface book one of the best looking laptops tho)
i can see similarities in the OS visual design too tho again who wouldnt follow industry leader

still gonna keep btfoing macOS in terms of basic usability (macOS could never)

[quote=bearodactyl]https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11[/quote]
lmfao yea they have been ripping off mac designs for their laptops for years, like google did with the pixel (does make the surface book one of the best looking laptops tho)
i can see similarities in the OS visual design too tho again who wouldnt follow industry leader

still gonna keep btfoing macOS in terms of basic usability ([url=https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/CmG1w4O6jz15rsOSZmpwsmIyPpk=/0x0:2000x1122/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:2000x1122):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22679016/lcimg_00e7c70f_af00_4756_97d7_7b7dd6726cf8.jpg]macOS could never[/url])
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zx37(macOS could never)

https://streamable.com/w12a1v

[quote=zx37]([url=https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/CmG1w4O6jz15rsOSZmpwsmIyPpk=/0x0:2000x1122/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:2000x1122):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22679016/lcimg_00e7c70f_af00_4756_97d7_7b7dd6726cf8.jpg]macOS could never[/url])[/quote]
https://streamable.com/w12a1v
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sunderkeenin spinning rust storage.

Hey Man, I Think It Is Quite Rude And Also Incorrect To Refer To HDD Storage As Spinning Rust Because Hard Disk Drives Have Not Used Iron(III) Oxide For Their Magnetic Recording Media For Decades Instead Opting For Cobalt-Chrome-Platinum Alloys Because Of Their Increased Magnetocrystalline Anisotropy. Additionally, The Use Of Rust As A Pejorative Term Does Not Really Make Sense As Most Failure Issues With HDDs Do Not Occur Due To Failure Of The Recording Media Itself (Which Depending On The Exact Anisotropy Energy, Can Store Data For Longer Than The Age Of The Universe) But Because Of The "Spinning" Part And Head. In Any Case, Personally I Will Not Be Using Microsoft Windows 9 Because I Have Ubuntu Installed On My Desktop.

Please Do Not Be So Inconsiderate In The Future, And Thanks For Listening.

[quote=sunderkeenin] spinning rust storage. [/quote]

Hey Man, I Think It Is Quite Rude And Also Incorrect To Refer To HDD Storage As Spinning Rust Because Hard Disk Drives Have Not Used Iron(III) Oxide For Their Magnetic Recording Media For Decades Instead Opting For Cobalt-Chrome-Platinum Alloys Because Of Their Increased Magnetocrystalline Anisotropy. Additionally, The Use Of Rust As A Pejorative Term Does Not Really Make Sense As Most Failure Issues With HDDs Do Not Occur Due To Failure Of The Recording Media Itself (Which Depending On The Exact Anisotropy Energy, Can Store Data For Longer Than The Age Of The Universe) But Because Of The "Spinning" Part And Head. In Any Case, Personally I Will Not Be Using Microsoft Windows 9 Because I Have Ubuntu Installed On My Desktop.

Please Do Not Be So Inconsiderate In The Future, And Thanks For Listening.
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rusted spinner storage

rusted spinner storage
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#28
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inb4 hard drive corruption joke

inb4 hard drive corruption joke
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turbochad69https://streamable.com/w12a1v

oh shit! is that Catalina? my macbook refuses to update and im stuck with doggy doo doo snapping systems

[quote=turbochad69]
https://streamable.com/w12a1v[/quote]
oh shit! is that Catalina? my macbook refuses to update and im stuck with doggy doo doo snapping systems
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#30
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kinda out of topic but would reinstalling windows in general improve my perfs if i didnt do it in like 3 years ? Im kind of illeterate when it comes to computers

kinda out of topic but would reinstalling windows in general improve my perfs if i didnt do it in like 3 years ? Im kind of illeterate when it comes to computers
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