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#4001 PC Build Thread in Hardware
TickkIs the Ryzen 7 7800x3d a good CPU for TF2?


TickkOr if there is a different (AMD one) with a better price-to-performance ratio for TF2?

Also Yes.

The 7800X3D should be pretty good. The 7900X3D and 7950X3D might be even faster, but it's complicated.
However price-to-performance gets worse beyond the midrange. Even using street prices instead of MSRP, a ~400€ 7800X3D gets you less bang for buck than a ~230€ 7600. A lot more bang, maybe 30% in TF2 if I had to guess, but asking even more buck, an extra 70%, for it.

I'd probably still reach for a 7600X for ~255€ if you can, but a 7700 or 7700X are valid steps in between, if you think the extra cores will be useful for something other than TF2. I'd also generally favour the X variant for the higher power limit, since you'll need that to get the higher boost clocks that TF2 benefits from consistently.
For the absolute most bang for buck there's also the 7500F without in integrated GPU for ~195€.

posted 1 month ago
#3994 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Driver problems 10 years ago really shouldn't concern you, and unlike nVidia, they don't pull shit like only unlocking new driver features on the newest cards. Remember when nVidia made a big production out of calling the 20 series RTX instead of GTX, to justify why only the newest cards would be allowed to use raytracing and everyone without one should just cough up more money to buy one? And once people got mad enough the 10 and 16 series miraculously got a driver update that allowed them to use it too, despite nVidia vehemently claiming that only the 20 series had the special sauce hardware required for it for months.
And then there's the whole GameWorks / HairWorks bullshit where nVidia wasn't content with not giving driver optimizations to older cards, but actively designed new features with tesselation to have a disproportionate performance impact on their older cards (and AMD's by virtue of hiding the source code from them, preventing any attempt at optimization despite the AMD cards at the time having a lot more tesselation hardware than nVidia's) and then cranked up the settings that needed tesselation to the max, not because it would look much better, but because the last generation of cards losing 50-75% of their fps while the new ones only lost 30% made the new ones look like the best thing since sliced bread.

Anyway, rant over, nVidia isn't just content with letting their older cards age like milk, sometimes they piss in the milk too.
In a weird twist, AMD's usually get better for the first one or two years because they don't have the same manpower to throw at driver optimizations.
So if you're in it for the long haul, the AMD card got slightly better performance than the nVidia, which should make up for less optimized drivers on a game's release, and is cheaper, then I see no reason not to get it.

PSU might be a bit overkill, but isn't worth cheaping out on either, SSD is also probably faster than you need, but nothing wrong with the build.

It's Australia. Apart from one terrible A620 mobo that is somehow 132 AUD, you get mobos that are still A620 trash for 170-190, and then you're looking at 200+.
Meanwhile the GPU is already cheaper than most 6700 XT and 4060 (non-Ti), so 60 AUD more get him fuck all.
Sure, he could get a cheaper mobo, ram, SSD, case, and PSU, sacrifice it all to get a slightly faster GPU, but I'd bet all of those parts are going to stick around longer than the GPU. So if he thinks 6750 XT / 4060 Ti performance is good enough, then I'm going to just trust him on that and answer the question he asked, instead of questioning the premise.

posted 2 months ago
#212 OMG 2 in TF2 General Discussion

I came for drama and what I get is a double post necro with the first post even being edited.
And said first post is just quoting a random post from two pages back to ask if they're banned on etf2l...
This feels like a new low even before somehow drifting off into greek healthcare.

Provide drama or lock.

posted 3 months ago
#186 OMG 2 in TF2 General Discussion

Can we get a betting pool going how long it'll take for RGL to ban not!elijah?
5 bucks say he gets to play for at least one season.

posted 4 months ago
#170 OMG 2 in TF2 General Discussion

It's like the call of the void. When someone calls something perfectly normal weird, I get that urge to do something actually weird. And then the americans are happy again because they can bond over something that isn't RGL dropping the ball again.

Anyway, I'm mostly checking this thread because I'm waiting for some good RGL drama, regarding that admin who got into playoffs via this ban, but nothing so far.
No beans to spill?
No juicy rumours?
Not even unsubstantiated theories?

posted 4 months ago
#167 OMG 2 in TF2 General Discussion

Now in all seriousness, wanting to get wrecked by likely or known cheaters at LAN to not feel bad about getting wrecked by them online is weird, right?

posted 4 months ago
#164 OMG 2 in TF2 General Discussion
cereaIlet's give these guys second chances I'm all about it if u can dick on me at lan I won't blink twice if u dick on me online

I really didn't want to say anything about cereal's posts sounding like a craving for cheater dick and wanting to meet them at LAN because of that, but wow...
I mean is that just me or does he really give off these vibes?
Now thankfully, most LANs don't just copy over RGL's bans so that won't get in the way of his romantic plans, but it's still weird to bring it up.

posted 4 months ago
#158 OMG 2 in TF2 General Discussion

Nah, weird is showing up in a thread about a known (and now banned) cheater in RGL to say "I wish RGL bans for cheating wouldn't stop cheaters from playing at non-RGL LANs."

Also I literally saw how you first just quoted "What exactly are you suggesting?", which is a good way to shorten the quote, before replacing it with a bit of ye olde ad hominem. Don't know why you thought that would improve your argument.

posted 4 months ago
#146 OMG 2 in TF2 General Discussion
cereaIi think accused cheaters should be allowed to prove themselves at lan

What exactly are you suggesting? Cheaters don't get banned until they're caught at LAN, cheaters get unbanned if they show up at LAN, cheaters get banned if they don't show up at LAN, or AC teams should spend an entire LAN watching all suspected cheaters who showed up not cheat and then unban them because if they didn't cheat at LAN they probably didn't cheat online?

You can't retroactively prove that you didn't actually cheat online by not cheating at LAN.
It would be like unbanning or not banning someone for not cheating in a single tournament, after they've cheated for 5 seasons straight.

And deciding whether or not someone cheated online purely by whether they play better or worse at LAN is an objectively terrible idea.

posted 4 months ago
#3981 PC Build Thread in Hardware

The Tomahawk is fine.
Yes, if the case already got 2 or 3 fans, you probably don't need any extra.

posted 4 months ago
#3979 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Well, when in doubt check reviews to see if they mention anything like that.

It's not like it's either the Assassin 120 for 40€ for the NH-D15 for 110€. There are lots of coolers in between, though the Assassin is about as cheap as it gets for a dual tower. Not sure how good the AK620 is, but it is an option, and between that and the NH-D15 there is, for example the Dark Rock Pro 4.

Micro ATX means you lose 3 PCIe slots, down to 4, but USB ports should stay the same.
Though that specific board is extremely weird in regards to PCIe, partially because the space where most would be is blocked by some weird contraption, and partially because Gigabyte chose to be really fucking weird about it.
The full ATX variant got 3 x16 slots, one of them running at PCIe 4.0 x16, and two running at PCIe 3.0 x1 which is just baffling, because for some reason they felt the need to include one M.2 slot with PCIe 5.0 x4 (which you just get for free on any B650E board without all this weirdness) and still keep 2 M.2 slots at PCIe 4.0 x4, and another where they put the WiFi.
The µATX variant got 2 x16 slots, one PCIe 4.0 x16 (8 times as fast as the slots on the big one), one PCIe 4.0 x4, one M.2 slot PCIe 5.0 x4, one M.2 slot PCIe 4.0 x4 and one M.2 slot for the WiFi.
The gist of it is, unless you need three SSDs and three big PCIe x16 card, but are fine with two of them being connected with truly glacial speeds, that board makes no sense at all.

As for USB, they've both got 12 ports in the rear, 8 of them USB 3 or better, and headers to connect 3x USB 3 and 4x USB 2 to the front panel.

posted 4 months ago
#3977 PC Build Thread in Hardware
MrOFor the cooler I can't see many reviews for it, and there is a lot of feedback about going for the peerless assassin 120 for this particular CPU, so I'm thinking of going for that. The power supply I've seen people complain about the noise it makes. So maybe the Noctua NH-D15 would be a safer bet? I also saw someone with a very similar config but the PSU being a corsair RM1000x 1000w. But this could be overkill apparently? I'm 100% going on feedback and opinions since I have 0 experience myself, so every bit of info is welcome.

That's a bit confusing.
You're worried about the noise from the PSU so you're thinking of buying a different CPU cooler?
Anyway, yes the NH-D15 is a much better cooler. It is also significantly more expensive, but you get what you pay for.
Yes, 1000 Watt is definitely overkill.

You could go for a µATX mobo and case, a bit smaller and cheaper.

Rest looks ok, I'd say.

posted 4 months ago
#3972 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Easiest question first: PCIe gen only matters for bandwidth. If you've got the full 4 lanes available, then 3.0 gets up to 4 GB/s. If you want more, you need 4.0.
So it's not going to do anything for the 980, which tops out somewhere below 3 GB/s even when the SLC cache does its job. It's also terrible for sustained sequential write, tomshardware got 0.315 GB/s in their review.
If you want TLC for the endurance, DRAM for bursts and not sucking, and good sustained sequential write then I'd say Crucial P5 Plus. PCIe 4.0, tops out at 5-6 GB/s, but obviously that's all the cache, levels out around 1.8 GB/s write.
Alternatively, SK hynix Gold P31, only PCIe 3.0, so the initial burst is not nearly as impressive, only around 3 GB/s, but it can sustain 1.5 GB/s, is much more efficient, and you get a 500 TBW endurance rating at 500 GB instead of the 300 TBW everyone else seems to offer. How much truth there is to that, I don't know, but SK Hynix do build their own NAND, so they should know.

posted 4 months ago
#3970 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Like I said, you don't have to get these exact parts, a different CPU cooler is fine too, just not too small. Bigger is fine too.
For compatibility, you should mostly worry about the height. Most case manufacturers list the max height height for a cooler that fits, so check that if you're not sure.
Yes, 2x16GB with 2 slots empty. 4x8GB would work, as would 2x16GB in a mobo with only 2 slots, but 4 slots are an easy way to tell that a mobo probably doesn't suck, and 2x16GB is better for technical reasons.
Especially with the RAM, you really don't need the exact same. DDR5-6000, CL36, any kit that got that is fine.
With PSUs, just ignore brands, because almost none of them were actually built or designed by the brand that's selling them. E.g. be quiet! sells PSUs made by CWT, FSP, HEC, and Seasonic.
I didn't really pay any attention to that note, but you can get a PSU with 2x ATX12V/EPS 8-pin connectors if you're worried. The 7900X is meant to have a sustained power draw of 170W, and AM5 officially only allows 230W peak, and a single 8 pin is rated for 235W sustained, but some mobos change the default settings to allowe higher boost clocks and/or overclocking. I'm still not worried, but it's obviously cleaner if you either get a mobo with 1x 8 pin (most B650 only got 1) to go with a 1x 8 pin PSU, or mobo and PSU both with 2x 8 pin.

posted 4 months ago
#3963 PC Build Thread in Hardware

As for sound, cases usually only have a front panel headphone output and microphone input, because that's all the mobos got connections for. On the rear of the mobo there will be more though, so usually you'd plug anything big and stationary into the back and headphones into the front as needed.

This is not meant to be a final partlist, just a general outline.
Pcpartpicker tends to be pretty bad outside of the US, but it's convenient to show what a build would roughly look like.

You'll need to check what's actually available and cheap in whichever shops you buy from, but the gist of it is
-Decent cooler that fits on AM5 mobos and inside whichever case you chose. Standard tower cooler should be enough, not too thin though, 120 or 140mm fan. Dual tower if you want something even better, but you're not overclocking. Don't try to cheap out on this, the 7900X is a 170W CPU, and the cooler it runs, the higher the boost clockrates will be.
-B650 µATX mobo with 4 RAM slots. If you don't need Wifi then skip that. B650E if you want/need PCIe 5.0. 4 RAM slots because only 2 slots on a µATX mobo are the first sign that corners have been cut. Again, you're not overclocking, so you don't need anything special, and µATX is cheaper than full ATX, B650 is cheaper than X670. Avoid A620 though.
-2x16GB DDR-6000 CL36 or thereabouts should do. Just get whatever is cheap. Check the mainboard's memory compatibility list if you want to make doubly sure it'll work.
-Some sort of lower midrange 1TB SSD, that means TLC, not QLC. Tons of options here, reviews are your friend.
-Pretty much any 4-6 TB HDD will do.
-4060 Ti, again choose whichever you find a good deal for.
-Case with an external 5.25" slot (3.5" is much rarer), 2 fan included, and dust filters. Seriously, get one with dust filters.
-550W PSU (that should be plenty), 80+ Gold or better, fully modular. Check the PSU tier list or actual reviews to see if it's actually good though, 80+ is just an efficiency certificate, not a quality certificate.

There should still be enough money left for windows, if you need it, and a nice 4K monitor, especially once you actually look for better prices than just amazon.

posted 4 months ago
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