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Announcing RGL.gg Sixes - Season 1
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#61
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glasscould you spin off the traditional 6s stuff into a new discord? or have you done that already? right now i see a traditional 6s lfs page in the prolander one. it would be nice to get trad 6s match announcements without getting hl/7s announcements.

ps why does rgl.gg log me out so fucking much, and then i have to dig out that stupid steam guard shit to get back in. god i hate steam

We are planning to merge all discord into one eventually. Eventually, we'll also add in roles to help with the issues you talk about.

For the log in issue, that's because each of the websites is on its own subdomain and the cookie that saves you login does not handle cross sub domain support. I've looked into it a bit with asp.net auth, but haven't found a great answer yet. Definitely something on my to-do list for QOL thing.

[quote=glass]could you spin off the traditional 6s stuff into a new discord? or have you done that already? right now i see a traditional 6s lfs page in the prolander one. it would be nice to get trad 6s match announcements without getting hl/7s announcements.

ps why does rgl.gg log me out so fucking much, and then i have to dig out that stupid steam guard shit to get back in. god i hate steam[/quote]

We are planning to merge all discord into one eventually. Eventually, we'll also add in roles to help with the issues you talk about.

For the log in issue, that's because each of the websites is on its own subdomain and the cookie that saves you login does not handle cross sub domain support. I've looked into it a bit with asp.net auth, but haven't found a great answer yet. Definitely something on my to-do list for QOL thing.
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#62
-44 Frags +
Artz_HispanianMr popo and John mitler are fucked now.

what skill level am I? I'm thinking one level above open.

[quote=Artz_Hispanian]Mr popo and John mitler are fucked now.[/quote]


what skill level am I? I'm thinking one level above open.
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#63
26 Frags +

fuck off popo lmfao

fuck off popo lmfao
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#64
0 Frags +

Thanks for the answer and good luck

Thanks for the answer and good luck
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#65
-32 Frags +

Would it be possible to make an IM division that is one match a week and matches at 9:00 like Open?

Edit: Like maybe a subdivision/alternate conference of IM?

Would it be possible to make an IM division that is one match a week and matches at 9:00 like Open?

Edit: Like maybe a subdivision/alternate conference of IM?
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#66
21 Frags +

I think RGL.gg should just be the site for whole league, all the different sub domains are weird and annoying

I think RGL.gg should just be the site for whole league, all the different sub domains are weird and annoying
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#67
17 Frags +
plusProtonI think RGL.gg should just be the site for whole league, all the different sub domains are weird and annoying

Actually, technical note to Sigafoo and whoever helps with the web development:
As sexy as subdomains are, having a lot of cross-domain links completely kills the user experience because of the additional delay, my school intra-net had a setup like this and crossing a domain would take over 5 seconds, it was honestly unbearable. It's not just a matter of having high quality servers with low response times, crossing a domain requires the browser to drop the current connection, call DNS, initate a new one, do the SSL handshake, etc.
I recall Sigafoo mentioning RGL was getting revamped at some point, please drop the subdomains in that version.

Bests

[quote=plusProton]I think RGL.gg should just be the site for whole league, all the different sub domains are weird and annoying[/quote]
Actually, technical note to Sigafoo and whoever helps with the web development:
As sexy as subdomains are, having a lot of cross-domain links completely kills the user experience because of the additional delay, my school intra-net had a setup like this and crossing a domain would take over 5 seconds, it was honestly unbearable. It's not just a matter of having high quality servers with low response times, crossing a domain requires the browser to drop the current connection, call DNS, initate a new one, do the SSL handshake, etc.
I recall Sigafoo mentioning RGL was getting revamped at some point, please drop the subdomains in that version.

Bests
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#68
16 Frags +

yo this super early match time is going to kill west coast teams. if you have an opponent who is east they can just force 6pst match time by denying all reschedules which is not possible for many west players. hope to see that changed!

also hope we can move away from the ESEA match style since no one else uses it :]

EDIT: also whats the possibility of removing badlands from the map pool for this new league?

yo this super early match time is going to kill west coast teams. if you have an opponent who is east they can just force 6pst match time by denying all reschedules which is not possible for many west players. hope to see that changed!

also hope we can move away from the ESEA match style since no one else uses it :]

EDIT: also whats the possibility of removing badlands from the map pool for this new league?
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#69
0 Frags +
xattuuEDIT: also whats the possibility of removing badlands from the map pool for this new league?

blands and granary are removed for clearcut and kalinka

[quote=xattuu]EDIT: also whats the possibility of removing badlands from the map pool for this new league?[/quote]
blands and granary are removed for clearcut and kalinka
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#70
8 Frags +

I would like to add to the voices that are concerned about a 9pm EST match time. One of the main reasons I won't consistently play in ESEA is that 6:30 is already too early for me to arrive to scrims on time.
Everything else looks good though.

I would like to add to the voices that are concerned about a 9pm EST match time. One of the main reasons I won't consistently play in ESEA is that 6:30 is already too early for me to arrive to scrims on time.
Everything else looks good though.
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#71
41 Frags +
RebitexattuuEDIT: also whats the possibility of removing badlands from the map pool for this new league?blands and granary are removed for clearcut and kalinka

what the fuck even is clearcut
kalinka is hot garbage as well

i dont get why sigafoo didn't just copy the same esea map pool instead of this controversial new map stuff
inb4 team misses playoffs due to upset week on cp_dickcheese or whatever other new map nobody has ever played or even knows how to hold on lmao

[quote=Rebite][quote=xattuu]EDIT: also whats the possibility of removing badlands from the map pool for this new league?[/quote]
blands and granary are removed for clearcut and kalinka[/quote]
what the fuck even is clearcut
kalinka is hot garbage as well

i dont get why sigafoo didn't just copy the same esea map pool instead of this controversial new map stuff
inb4 team misses playoffs due to upset week on cp_dickcheese or whatever other new map nobody has ever played or even knows how to hold on lmao
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#72
41 Frags +

The map pool changes really fuck up what etf2l have tried to do this season with adding metalworks to try to make the map pool in the 2 big regions almost identical

The map pool changes really fuck up what etf2l have tried to do this season with adding metalworks to try to make the map pool in the 2 big regions almost identical
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#73
47 Frags +
EoNThe map pool changes really fuck up what etf2l have tried to do this season with adding metalworks to try to make the map pool in the 2 big regions almost identical

Not to mention that any NA team(s) attending i65 would realistically not have any practice on two staple maps of the international LAN map pool. i65 is right in the middle of the RGL season

[quote=EoN]The map pool changes really fuck up what etf2l have tried to do this season with adding metalworks to try to make the map pool in the 2 big regions almost identical[/quote]

Not to mention that any NA team(s) attending i65 would realistically not have any practice on two staple maps of the international LAN map pool. i65 is right in the middle of the RGL season
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#74
0 Frags +

who will be the admins of the league?

who will be the admins of the league?
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#75
31 Frags +
beatricewho will be the admins of the league?

tri

[quote=beatrice]who will be the admins of the league?[/quote]
tri
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#76
34 Frags +

Welp, the 2 things I really wanted from this league didn't happen.

No universal map pool
No universal format.

Looks like insomnias, copenhagen games and other intl lans will have the same issues that happened last ISeries, where a team had to play a map they dont play in their region in the grand finals.

Honestly, love or hate the format or map pool, I cant be the only one that sees the benefits of playing the same format and maps in every region of TF2?

Welp, the 2 things I really wanted from this league didn't happen.

No universal map pool
No universal format.

Looks like insomnias, copenhagen games and other intl lans will have the same issues that happened last ISeries, where a team had to play a map they dont play in their region in the grand finals.

Honestly, love or hate the format or map pool, I cant be the only one that sees the benefits of playing the same format and maps in every region of TF2?
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#77
25 Frags +

listen to skeez

listen to skeez
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#78
4 Frags +

I like to think I'm pretty aware of lots of the maps that are out in testing rn, and i have never played nor heard of koth_clearcut before. That's not to say it's bad, but that doesn't give me a ton of confidence in the map.

edit: although I do notice it's being actively updated, which I guess is a good sign

I like to think I'm pretty aware of lots of the maps that are out in testing rn, and i have never played nor heard of koth_clearcut before. That's not to say it's bad, but that doesn't give me a ton of confidence in the map.

edit: although I do notice it's being actively updated, which I guess is a good sign
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#79
14 Frags +

i'm just a gamer trying to game with the bros

i'm just a gamer trying to game with the bros
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#80
19 Frags +

im really curious to see what went through sigafoo's head that led him to the decision to take this map thread from a year ago that nobody even played or really gave proper feedback about and go 'yep, this one's a keeper'
even the lucrative new map test thread says it was untested like why on earth did they choose it lmao
https://www.teamfortress.tv/50874/looking-for-maptest-participants#24
https://www.teamfortress.tv/46770/koth-clearcut-pre-b4-2

im really curious to see what went through sigafoo's head that led him to the decision to take this map thread from a year ago that nobody even played or really gave proper feedback about and go 'yep, this one's a keeper'
even the lucrative new map test thread says it was untested like why on earth did they choose it lmao
https://www.teamfortress.tv/50874/looking-for-maptest-participants#24
https://www.teamfortress.tv/46770/koth-clearcut-pre-b4-2
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#81
17 Frags +
sigafooprokyinterested to know why you didn't decide to follow the global whitelist
We want to be nimble and the global whitelist seems to be the opposite of that. Being bogged down in bureaucracy is not a good way to make balance decisions, IMO.

Why tf do you need to be nimble with regard to weapon bans in this game lmao, I played a shitton of overwatch and if that game had bans that would make sense because blizzard actually updates their game frequently (could've avoided moth meta entirely....) Valve doesn't do shit.

Global whitelist makes infinitely more sense, playing a different game when you go from NA to literally anywhere else is stupid. And I bet most people like the global whitelist better anyway.

sigafooGiven that the ESEA whitelist is 25% smaller than the global whitelist and seems be working out fine. We decided to go with the whitelist players are use to and build off of that.

smaller whitelist ≠ better, especially with all the stupid shit in this game

[quote=sigafoo][quote=proky]interested to know why you didn't decide to follow the global whitelist[/quote]

We want to be nimble and the global whitelist seems to be the opposite of that. Being bogged down in bureaucracy is not a good way to make balance decisions, IMO.
[/quote]

Why tf do you need to be nimble with regard to weapon bans in this game lmao, I played a shitton of overwatch and if that game had bans that would make sense because blizzard actually updates their game frequently (could've avoided moth meta entirely....) Valve doesn't do shit.

Global whitelist makes infinitely more sense, playing a different game when you go from NA to literally anywhere else is stupid. And I bet most people like the global whitelist better anyway.

[quote=sigafoo]
Given that the ESEA whitelist is 25% smaller than the global whitelist and seems be working out fine. We decided to go with the whitelist players are use to and build off of that.[/quote]

smaller whitelist ≠ better, especially with all the stupid shit in this game
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#82
-4 Frags +
bearodactylim really curious to see what went through sigafoo's head that led him to the decision to take this map thread from a year ago that nobody even played or really gave proper feedback about and go 'yep, this one's a keeper'
even the lucrative new map test thread says it was untested like why on earth did they choose it lmao
https://www.teamfortress.tv/50874/looking-for-maptest-participants#24
https://www.teamfortress.tv/46770/koth-clearcut-pre-b4-2

Actually it is being updated https://tf2maps.net/downloads/clearcut.5682/updates

[quote=bearodactyl]im really curious to see what went through sigafoo's head that led him to the decision to take this map thread from a year ago that nobody even played or really gave proper feedback about and go 'yep, this one's a keeper'
even the lucrative new map test thread says it was untested like why on earth did they choose it lmao
https://www.teamfortress.tv/50874/looking-for-maptest-participants#24
https://www.teamfortress.tv/46770/koth-clearcut-pre-b4-2[/quote]
Actually it is being updated https://tf2maps.net/downloads/clearcut.5682/updates
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#83
13 Frags +

Literally can't play with times as early as they are. Why have you just decided to make a default time different from the time it has been for seasons

Literally can't play with times as early as they are. Why have you just decided to make a default time different from the time it has been for seasons
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#84
18 Frags +

if this is """""traditional sixes"""" keep the sigafoo sixes gimmicks out of it.

follow global whitelist
work with other leagues and orgs to reach a global map pool and rule set.

ez right? 4Head

if this is """""traditional sixes"""" keep the sigafoo sixes gimmicks out of it.

follow global whitelist
work with other leagues and orgs to reach a global map pool and rule set.

ez right? 4Head
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#85
21 Frags +
RGL does reserve the right to maintain exclusive access to the STV as they see fit.

This also worries me slightly. Not that sigafoo would ACTUALLY do it, but this gives him the power to do to TFTV what EVLTV did to him.

(For those who weren't around back then, apparently what happened is EVL would get UGC to change STV passwords so that sigafoo couldn't cast them in an effort to stop him from streaming the same game, and i believe also other games as well.)

[quote] RGL does reserve the right to maintain exclusive access to the STV as they see fit. [/quote]

This also worries me slightly. Not that sigafoo would ACTUALLY do it, but this gives him the power to do to TFTV what EVLTV did to him.

(For those who weren't around back then, apparently what happened is EVL would get UGC to change STV passwords so that sigafoo couldn't cast them in an effort to stop him from streaming the same game, and i believe also other games as well.)
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#86
16 Frags +

10 PM eastern is pretty dumb not gonna lie. It screws over west coast players who may not get home until a bit later. With my former job, I literally wouldn't get home until 11 EST due to commuting. If someone on the west coast has my type of work/issue, they literally won't be able to play without rescheduling every single match. However, I am excited that there is a legitimate league forming.

10 PM eastern is pretty dumb not gonna lie. It screws over west coast players who may not get home until a bit later. With my former job, I literally wouldn't get home until 11 EST due to commuting. If someone on the west coast has my type of work/issue, they literally won't be able to play without rescheduling every single match. However, I am excited that there is a legitimate league forming.
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#87
-5 Frags +

I do not officially speak for RGL but this thread is giving me a headache.

BuffMcStrongHugeLiterally can't play with times as early as they are. Why have you just decided to make a default and remove the flexible scheduling system esea had provided.

It still exists. Teams will reschedule matches just like they did in esea. People are aware esea also had default times that didn't get forced as well right? Nobody in the council meetings even discussed default match times because we were under the assumption that teams are able to be normal human beings and schedule accordingly. If not, contact an admin and it can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

plunkif this is """""traditional sixes"""" keep the sigafoo sixes gimmicks out of it.

follow global whitelist
work with other leagues and orgs to reach a global map pool and rule set.

ez right? 4Head

http://puu.sh/DEN3c/02a7bb1bc6.jpg

I think there were a couple more heads behind the decision making than just one. Just for the record, sigafoo also attempted to get a representative from the paddie/corsa team as well. There was a *ton* of discussion that went into the decisions for the league.

bearodactylim really curious to see what went through sigafoo's head that led him to the decision to take this map thread from a year ago that nobody even played or really gave proper feedback about and go 'yep, this one's a keeper'
even the lucrative new map test thread says it was untested like why on earth did they choose it lmao
https://www.teamfortress.tv/50874/looking-for-maptest-participants#24
https://www.teamfortress.tv/46770/koth-clearcut-pre-b4-2

Your links are from ages ago, the map is still receiving updates. The map was suggested to us by lucrative as a viable koth map. The council (sans-b4nny) all wanted to see the inclusion of an additional koth map. Suggested options included: Coalplant, Bagel, Avalanche, and Clearcut.
There is nothing wrong with wanting a better map pool, and the best way to achieve that goal is to remove the worst offending maps. Say what you like about badlands/granary but badlands was unanimously agreed upon as the worst map in the pool by all parties present (and was additionally the most banned map in esea according to tri iirc). Granary didn't fare much better.

DreamboatWelp, the 2 things I really wanted from this league didn't happen.

No universal map pool
No universal format.

Looks like insomnias, copenhagen games and other intl lans will have the same issues that happened last ISeries, where a team had to play a map they dont play in their region in the grand finals.

Honestly, love or hate the format or map pool, I cant be the only one that sees the benefits of playing the same format and maps in every region of TF2?

It would be nice to have a universal ruleset, but no actual efforts have been made by any parties towards achieving one.

Dreamboat RGL does reserve the right to maintain exclusive access to the STV as they see fit.
This also worries me slightly. Not that sigafoo would ACTUALLY do it, but this gives him the power to do to TFTV what EVLTV did to him.

(For those who weren't around back then, apparently what happened is EVL would get UGC to change STV passwords so that sigafoo couldn't cast them in an effort to stop him from streaming the same game, and i believe also other games as well.)

I for one am of the opinion that the people in our community aren't petty children. RGL wishes to centralize the casts for specific matches to increase viewership. It isn't intended to malicious in the slightest and it is annoying seeing people spinning it that way.

I do not officially speak for RGL but this thread is giving me a headache.

[quote=BuffMcStrongHuge]Literally can't play with times as early as they are. Why have you just decided to make a default and remove the flexible scheduling system esea had provided.[/quote]
It still exists. [b]Teams will reschedule matches just like they did in esea[/b]. People are aware esea also had default times that didn't get forced as well right? Nobody in the council meetings even discussed default match times because we were under the assumption that teams are able to be normal human beings and schedule accordingly. If not, contact an admin and it can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

[quote=plunk]if this is """""traditional sixes"""" keep the sigafoo sixes gimmicks out of it.

follow global whitelist
work with other leagues and orgs to reach a global map pool and rule set.

ez right? 4Head[/quote]
[img]http://puu.sh/DEN3c/02a7bb1bc6.jpg[/img]
I think there were a couple more heads behind the decision making than just one. Just for the record, sigafoo also attempted to get a representative from the paddie/corsa team as well. There was a *ton* of discussion that went into the decisions for the league.

[quote=bearodactyl]im really curious to see what went through sigafoo's head that led him to the decision to take this map thread from a year ago that nobody even played or really gave proper feedback about and go 'yep, this one's a keeper'
even the lucrative new map test thread says it was untested like why on earth did they choose it lmao
https://www.teamfortress.tv/50874/looking-for-maptest-participants#24
https://www.teamfortress.tv/46770/koth-clearcut-pre-b4-2[/quote]
Your links are from ages ago, the map is still receiving updates. The map was suggested to us by lucrative as a viable koth map. The council (sans-b4nny) all wanted to see the inclusion of an additional koth map. Suggested options included: Coalplant, Bagel, Avalanche, and Clearcut.
There is nothing wrong with wanting a better map pool, and the best way to achieve that goal is to remove the worst offending maps. Say what you like about badlands/granary but badlands was [i]unanimously[/i] agreed upon as the worst map in the pool by all parties present (and was additionally the most banned map in esea according to tri iirc). Granary didn't fare much better.

[quote=Dreamboat]Welp, the 2 things I really wanted from this league didn't happen.

No universal map pool
No universal format.

Looks like insomnias, copenhagen games and other intl lans will have the same issues that happened last ISeries, where a team had to play a map they dont play in their region in the grand finals.

Honestly, love or hate the format or map pool, I cant be the only one that sees the benefits of playing the same format and maps in every region of TF2?[/quote]
It would be nice to have a universal ruleset, but no actual efforts have been made by any parties towards achieving one.

[quote=Dreamboat][quote] RGL does reserve the right to maintain exclusive access to the STV as they see fit. [/quote]

This also worries me slightly. Not that sigafoo would ACTUALLY do it, but this gives him the power to do to TFTV what EVLTV did to him.

(For those who weren't around back then, apparently what happened is EVL would get UGC to change STV passwords so that sigafoo couldn't cast them in an effort to stop him from streaming the same game, and i believe also other games as well.)[/quote]

I for one am of the opinion that the people in our community aren't petty children. RGL wishes to centralize the casts for specific matches to increase viewership. It isn't intended to malicious in the slightest and it is annoying seeing people spinning it that way.
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#88
16 Frags +
Daffodil-DreamboatWelp, the 2 things I really wanted from this league didn't happen.

No universal map pool
No universal format.

Looks like insomnias, copenhagen games and other intl lans will have the same issues that happened last ISeries, where a team had to play a map they dont play in their region in the grand finals.

Honestly, love or hate the format or map pool, I cant be the only one that sees the benefits of playing the same format and maps in every region of TF2?
It would be nice to have a universal ruleset, but no actual efforts have been made by any parties towards achieving one.

This saddens me. Granted, I personally feel when 2/3 regions (AU and EU) run the same format, the onus is on RGL, it still makes me sad no effort was made.

Daffodil-Dreamboat RGL does reserve the right to maintain exclusive access to the STV as they see fit.
This also worries me slightly. Not that sigafoo would ACTUALLY do it, but this gives him the power to do to TFTV what EVLTV did to him.

(For those who weren't around back then, apparently what happened is EVL would get UGC to change STV passwords so that sigafoo couldn't cast them in an effort to stop him from streaming the same game, and i believe also other games as well.)

I for one am of the opinion that the people in our community aren't petty children. RGL wishes to centralize the casts for specific matches to increase viewership. It isn't intended to malicious in the slightest and it is annoying seeing people spinning it that way.

I didn't intend to spin it as something that exists out of malicious intent, I just was concerned because it's something that HAS been done maliciously in the past. It's only an issue if it's abused.

[quote=Daffodil-][quote=Dreamboat]Welp, the 2 things I really wanted from this league didn't happen.

No universal map pool
No universal format.

Looks like insomnias, copenhagen games and other intl lans will have the same issues that happened last ISeries, where a team had to play a map they dont play in their region in the grand finals.

Honestly, love or hate the format or map pool, I cant be the only one that sees the benefits of playing the same format and maps in every region of TF2?[/quote]
It would be nice to have a universal ruleset, but no actual efforts have been made by any parties towards achieving one.[/quote]

This saddens me. Granted, I personally feel when 2/3 regions (AU and EU) run the same format, the onus is on RGL, it still makes me sad no effort was made.

[quote=Daffodil-][quote=Dreamboat][quote] RGL does reserve the right to maintain exclusive access to the STV as they see fit. [/quote]

This also worries me slightly. Not that sigafoo would ACTUALLY do it, but this gives him the power to do to TFTV what EVLTV did to him.

(For those who weren't around back then, apparently what happened is EVL would get UGC to change STV passwords so that sigafoo couldn't cast them in an effort to stop him from streaming the same game, and i believe also other games as well.)[/quote]

I for one am of the opinion that the people in our community aren't petty children. RGL wishes to centralize the casts for specific matches to increase viewership. It isn't intended to malicious in the slightest and it is annoying seeing people spinning it that way.[/quote]

I didn't intend to spin it as something that exists out of malicious intent, I just was concerned because it's something that HAS been done maliciously in the past. It's only an issue if it's abused.
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#89
30 Frags +
Daffodil-It would be nice to have a universal ruleset, but no actual efforts have been made by any parties towards achieving one.

I didn't want to comment on this thread but that's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

I regret not trying harder for the ESL league, we wouldn't have had to deal with this mess if it happened.

[quote=Daffodil-]
It would be nice to have a universal ruleset, but no actual efforts have been made by any parties towards achieving one.[/quote]
I didn't want to comment on this thread but that's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

I regret not trying harder for the ESL league, we wouldn't have had to deal with this mess if it happened.
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#90
32 Frags +
Jarrett000whatever league mimics ESEA the most would probably get the most traffic, I would imagine. The more change all at once you throw at someone, the more turned off they'll be to the idea.

I still believe this is true and it makes me kind of curious why it would be decided that this season, of all seasons, would be the perfect time to implement not 1, but 2 new maps into the rotation.

As much as people might dislike badlands and granary, with all of the other changes people have to adjust to with joining a new league, I'm sure at least some would rather have things like this stay the same for the short term. How many? Well, nobody really knows, and that's kind of an issue.

The invite meetings in the past have been heavily criticized not for having the final say in decisions, but not taking the public majority into account at all when making them. For the past year or two attending these meetings I've tried to push for more public posts on the forums so tri can reference what the community wants when the captains in the discord debate about which decision is better.

What I find interesting is with the regular season between the top and bottom of the league being different (invite and advanced can p/b and ban what they don't like, everyone else is back to assigned maps per week), it doesn't appear the lower half was inquired at all about what they would want (please correct me if I'm wrong). That's at least 50% of your potential player base.

I would rather have top players making the final decision like normal yes, but if you want to introduce x, and it turns out 200 players didn't want x, it's not good when we're at a point where everyone's trying to find a new home, and nobody is obligated to commit to anywhere. It just doesn't seem like a good move to me.

[quote=Jarrett000]whatever league mimics ESEA the most would probably get the most traffic, I would imagine. The more change all at once you throw at someone, the more turned off they'll be to the idea.[/quote]

I still believe this is true and it makes me kind of curious why it would be decided that this season, of all seasons, would be the perfect time to implement not 1, but 2 new maps into the rotation.

As much as people might dislike badlands and granary, with all of the other changes people have to adjust to with joining a new league, I'm sure at least some would rather have things like this stay the same for the short term. How many? Well, nobody really knows, and that's kind of an issue.

The invite meetings in the past have been heavily criticized not for having the final say in decisions, but not taking the public majority into account at all when making them. For the past year or two attending these meetings I've tried to push for more public posts on the forums so tri can reference what the community wants when the captains in the discord debate about which decision is better.

What I find interesting is with the regular season between the top and bottom of the league being different (invite and advanced can p/b and ban what they don't like, everyone else is back to assigned maps per week), it doesn't appear the lower half was inquired at all about what they would want (please correct me if I'm wrong). That's at least 50% of your potential player base.

I would rather have top players making the final decision like normal yes, but if you want to introduce x, and it turns out 200 players didn't want x, it's not good when we're at a point where everyone's trying to find a new home, and nobody is obligated to commit to anywhere. It just doesn't seem like a good move to me.
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