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#61
25 Frags +

I like the juicy hypocrisy from b4nny. On his streams and on yomps' stream they discuss with each other why these plugins are only benefitting the competitive players and disregard all other (casual and new) players, yet in the twitch clip he comes up with the most bullshit excuse to dodge that explanation. "It would spoil it". Has he ended up telling what good does the med speed buff bring or no? Because if not, he has had a hand in enforcing a change that ONLY HE knows how to use for "growing the game", in reality stagnating it into shit.

I like the juicy hypocrisy from b4nny. On his streams and on yomps' stream they discuss with each other why these plugins are only benefitting the competitive players and disregard all other (casual and new) players, yet in the twitch clip he comes up with the most bullshit excuse to dodge that explanation. "It would spoil it". Has he ended up telling what good does the med speed buff bring or no? Because if not, he has had a hand in enforcing a change that ONLY HE knows how to use for "growing the game", in reality stagnating it into shit.
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#62
17 Frags +

someone pay a flight to america and i will come face to face with the b4nman with a list of demands(tf2 of course)

someone pay a flight to america and i will come face to face with the b4nman with a list of demands(tf2 of course)
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#63
-13 Frags +
HerpTimI like the juicy hypocrisy from b4nny. On his streams and on yomps' stream they discuss with each other why these plugins are only benefitting the competitive players and disregard all other (casual and new) players, yet in the twitch clip he comes up with the most bullshit excuse to dodge that explanation. "It would spoil it". Has he ended up telling what good does the med speed buff bring or no? Because if not, he has had a hand in enforcing a change that ONLY HE knows how to use for "growing the game", in reality stagnating it into shit.

So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff

[quote=HerpTim]I like the juicy hypocrisy from b4nny. On his streams and on yomps' stream they discuss with each other why these plugins are only benefitting the competitive players and disregard all other (casual and new) players, yet in the twitch clip he comes up with the most bullshit excuse to dodge that explanation. "It would spoil it". Has he ended up telling what good does the med speed buff bring or no? Because if not, he has had a hand in enforcing a change that ONLY HE knows how to use for "growing the game", in reality stagnating it into shit.[/quote]
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff
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#64
21 Frags +
ScrewBIrish_JoshThe plugin in question isn't about that, It's about soldier not hitting himself for 70 damage when he point blanks an enemy.So shotgun soldiers should just blow themselves up? Your logic is flawed. If gunboats soldiers shouldn't blow themselves up with there own rockets when shooting people why should shotgun soldiers? Why should anyone be able to basically melee someone with the RL without consequences? One of the skills of DMing as soldier is maintaining a bit of distance.

I think a 25% boost to soldiers base self dmg resistance (including RJs) would be a nice addition. This would let non GB soldiers have SOME mobility while keeping the boats as the go to for roamers. It would also be enough to prevent a scout 1 shoting you when you round the corner and you fire at the same time. If the mobility boost for boats is too much nerf them by like 10/15% (although i don't think it will be).

The gunboats give the resistance. Gunboats and shotgun all have their trade offs.

You also cannot buff a class with a base resistance like that either.

[quote=ScrewB][quote=Irish_Josh]
The plugin in question isn't about that, It's about soldier not hitting himself for 70 damage when he point blanks an enemy.[/quote]
So shotgun soldiers should just blow themselves up? Your logic is flawed. If gunboats soldiers shouldn't blow themselves up with there own rockets when shooting people why should shotgun soldiers? Why should anyone be able to basically melee someone with the RL without consequences? One of the skills of DMing as soldier is maintaining a bit of distance.

I think a 25% boost to soldiers base self dmg resistance (including RJs) would be a nice addition. This would let non GB soldiers have SOME mobility while keeping the boats as the go to for roamers. It would also be enough to prevent a scout 1 shoting you when you round the corner and you fire at the same time. If the mobility boost for boats is too much nerf them by like 10/15% (although i don't think it will be).[/quote]

The gunboats give the resistance. Gunboats and shotgun all have their trade offs.

You also cannot buff a class with a base resistance like that either.
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#65
21 Frags +

it is kind of annoying to rocket a scout as you turn a corner, do 100 to yourself, and he one shots you with his first shot.

But then, it also kind of makes sense that you also take a fuck load of damage from shooting a body pressed pretty much against you with a rocket launcher. How much damage would you now take with gunboats in this scenario then?

I'm not sure that this fix is quite in line with the intention of the gunboats (to aid mobility right?) and feels like a bit of a get out of jail free card, but i guess it's worth testing.

All the other fixes seem like no brainers. Good shit.

it is kind of annoying to rocket a scout as you turn a corner, do 100 to yourself, and he one shots you with his first shot.

But then, it also kind of makes sense that you also take a fuck load of damage from shooting a body pressed pretty much against you with a rocket launcher. How much damage would you now take with gunboats in this scenario then?

I'm not sure that this fix is quite in line with the intention of the gunboats (to aid mobility right?) and feels like a bit of a get out of jail free card, but i guess it's worth testing.

All the other fixes seem like no brainers. Good shit.
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#66
23 Frags +
ScrewB

https://youtu.be/FWpbKBQ8MlM

https://youtu.be/nGXBC0tMQiA

bro...

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[youtube]https://youtu.be/FWpbKBQ8MlM[/youtube]

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bro...
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#67
20 Frags +
KZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan

setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour

[quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour
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#68
-3 Frags +
Irish_JoshThe gunboats give the resistance.

#1 Gunboats do not affect self damage against enemies
#2 You do realize soldier has some base self damage resistance independent of the gunboats right?

Gunboats and shotgun all have their trade offs.

The trade off is mobility. Even with this buff gunboats would still have a substantial mobility advantage.

You also cannot buff a class with a base resistance like that either.

Why not?

[quote=Irish_Josh]
The gunboats give the resistance.[/quote]
#1 Gunboats do not affect self damage against enemies
#2 You do realize soldier has some base self damage resistance independent of the gunboats right?
[quote] Gunboats and shotgun all have their trade offs. [/quote]
The trade off is mobility. Even with this buff gunboats would still have a substantial mobility advantage.
[quote] You also cannot buff a class with a base resistance like that either.[/quote]
Why not?
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#69
-17 Frags +
YeeHawKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour

So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff

[quote=YeeHaw][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour[/quote]
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff
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#70
49 Frags +
SirPineAppleYeeHawKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff

positives

  1. ???


negatives

  1. Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
  2. Devalued pocket Soldier
  3. Dumbed down Medic positioning
  4. Dumbed down rollouts
  5. Made Roamer's job even more difficult
  6. low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
  7. dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
  8. started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
  9. dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
  10. heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS
[quote=SirPineApple][quote=YeeHaw][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour[/quote]
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff[/quote]
positives
[olist]
[*] ???
[/olist]
negatives
[olist]
[*]Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
[*]Devalued pocket Soldier
[*]Dumbed down Medic positioning
[*]Dumbed down rollouts
[*]Made Roamer's job even more difficult
[*]low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
[*]dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
[*]started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
[*]dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
[*]heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS
[/olist]
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#71
8 Frags +
Dr_FezI like the idea of making arrows heal over time. I feel like the annoying part of the crossbow is that you can get someone quite low but all they need is a second to stand still and suddenly your damage is meaningless and not possible to follow up on. If the healing was done over time, even if it was relatively quickly at least there would be a window of time where you could actually play off your damage.

I guess you could argue that changing arrows in this way would remove some of the clutch potential of arrows though so idk. Also maybe it would be hard to implement in a plugin.

How about arrows giving just enough HP (like 40-50) to avoid fall damage and the rest over time? You can still do clutch saves like that bear clip a couple weeks ago.

Also, how about meds can run at scout speed only when ubered? Enemy med can't kite it that easily and it would incentivize ubering in with tiny uber ad; just run an ubered scout in, kill the med and run back to safety.

[quote=Dr_Fez]I like the idea of making arrows heal over time. I feel like the annoying part of the crossbow is that you can get someone quite low but all they need is a second to stand still and suddenly your damage is meaningless and not possible to follow up on. If the healing was done over time, even if it was relatively quickly at least there would be a window of time where you could actually play off your damage.

I guess you could argue that changing arrows in this way would remove some of the clutch potential of arrows though so idk. Also maybe it would be hard to implement in a plugin.[/quote]

How about arrows giving just enough HP (like 40-50) to avoid fall damage and the rest over time? You can still do clutch saves like that bear clip a couple weeks ago.

Also, how about meds can run at scout speed only when ubered? Enemy med can't kite it that easily and it would incentivize ubering in with tiny uber ad; just run an ubered scout in, kill the med and run back to safety.
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#72
34 Frags +

Scoomer meta is cringe

Scoomer meta is cringe
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#73
14 Frags +
StarkieKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
i have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs? i know he went to valves offices so i assume he suggested it thinking that faster medics = faster games. unfortunately when medics rarely die you end up in a lot of stalemates. i remember when losing a mid hard meant getting wiped and almost certainly losing a round - now your med just sprints to last like usain bolt and you have a nice little last stalemate

The thing on top of that is that he doesn't want to even talk or discuss things with us, he straight-up called twiikuu a liar when he said he doesn't wish any harm to b4nny (it's in the VOD). He just pretty much declared that if this thing is adopted it somehow will kill TF2, simply because Valve hasn't ordained it.

[quote=Starkie][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
i have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs? i know he went to valves offices so i assume he suggested it thinking that faster medics = faster games. unfortunately when medics rarely die you end up in a lot of stalemates. i remember when losing a mid hard meant getting wiped and almost certainly losing a round - now your med just sprints to last like usain bolt and you have a nice little last stalemate[/quote]

The thing on top of that is that he doesn't want to even talk or discuss things with us, he straight-up called twiikuu a liar when he said he doesn't wish any harm to b4nny (it's in the VOD). He just pretty much declared that if this thing is adopted it somehow will kill TF2, simply because Valve hasn't ordained it.
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#74
-50 Frags +
ScrewBSirPineAppleYeeHawKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff
positives
  1. ???

negatives
  1. Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
  2. Devalued pocket Soldier
  3. Dumbed down Medic positioning
  4. Dumbed down rollouts
  5. Made Roamer's job even more difficult
  6. low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
  7. dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
  8. started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
  9. dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
  10. heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.

[quote=ScrewB][quote=SirPineApple][quote=YeeHaw][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour[/quote]
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff[/quote]
positives
[olist]
[*] ???
[/olist]
negatives
[olist]
[*]Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
[*]Devalued pocket Soldier
[*]Dumbed down Medic positioning
[*]Dumbed down rollouts
[*]Made Roamer's job even more difficult
[*]low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
[*]dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
[*]started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
[*]dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
[*]heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS
[/olist][/quote]

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.
75
#75
30 Frags +
SirPineAppleScrewBSirPineAppleYeeHawKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff
positives
  1. ???

negatives
  1. Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
  2. Devalued pocket Soldier
  3. Dumbed down Medic positioning
  4. Dumbed down rollouts
  5. Made Roamer's job even more difficult
  6. low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
  7. dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
  8. started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
  9. dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
  10. heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.

WHAT

[quote=SirPineApple][quote=ScrewB][quote=SirPineApple][quote=YeeHaw][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour[/quote]
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff[/quote]
positives
[olist]
[*] ???
[/olist]
negatives
[olist]
[*]Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
[*]Devalued pocket Soldier
[*]Dumbed down Medic positioning
[*]Dumbed down rollouts
[*]Made Roamer's job even more difficult
[*]low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
[*]dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
[*]started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
[*]dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
[*]heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS
[/olist][/quote]

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.[/quote]

WHAT
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#76
54 Frags +

"SirPineApple" I have no idea who you are but I don't think you belong in this discussion friendo

"SirPineApple" I have no idea who you are but I don't think you belong in this discussion friendo
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#77
4 Frags +
SirPineApple

this mf just wants to see the world burn bruhhh

[quote=SirPineApple][/quote]
this mf just wants to see the world burn bruhhh
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#78
-18 Frags +
mustardoverlord"SirPineApple" I have no idea who you are but I don't think you belong in this discussion friendoSasukeUchiha_TRADETFSirPineAppleScrewBSirPineAppleYeeHawKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff
positives
  1. ???

negatives
  1. Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
  2. Devalued pocket Soldier
  3. Dumbed down Medic positioning
  4. Dumbed down rollouts
  5. Made Roamer's job even more difficult
  6. low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
  7. dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
  8. started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
  9. dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
  10. heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.

WHAT

Give me something more than WHAT, I have no idea what that means

[quote=mustardoverlord]"SirPineApple" I have no idea who you are but I don't think you belong in this discussion friendo[/quote]
[quote=SasukeUchiha_TRADETF][quote=SirPineApple][quote=ScrewB][quote=SirPineApple][quote=YeeHaw][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour[/quote]
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff[/quote]
positives
[olist]
[*] ???
[/olist]
negatives
[olist]
[*]Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
[*]Devalued pocket Soldier
[*]Dumbed down Medic positioning
[*]Dumbed down rollouts
[*]Made Roamer's job even more difficult
[*]low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
[*]dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
[*]started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
[*]dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
[*]heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS
[/olist][/quote]

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.[/quote]

WHAT[/quote]

Give me something more than WHAT, I have no idea what that means
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#79
44 Frags +

fucking hell stop copying everything in the replies

fucking hell stop copying everything in the replies
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#80
15 Frags +
SirPineAppleGive me something more than WHAT, I have no idea what that means

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWEicHlXkAEHrSe.jpg:large

[quote=SirPineApple]
Give me something more than WHAT, I have no idea what that means[/quote]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWEicHlXkAEHrSe.jpg:large
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#81
-20 Frags +

Can someone at least give a counter argument to what i said

Can someone at least give a counter argument to what i said
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#82
20 Frags +
SirPineAppleCan someone at least give a counter argument to what i said

ya I got one for ya, u a stupid dummy

[quote=SirPineApple]Can someone at least give a counter argument to what i said[/quote]

ya I got one for ya, u a stupid dummy
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#83
43 Frags +

if ur not trolling:

2 of your "pros" are actually just cons that lower the skill ceiling of the game and are super forgiving to people in bad position. both would also apply if med had 200 hp, but that doesnt mean its a good change.

pocket has not been "constantly healed" for the last 4 years of this game, medic positioning hasnt "improved", they just dont get punished for being out of position due to scout running. roamer is harder bc now scouts are better and medic dodging is waaaaay easier. exchanges and small ads being discouraged just leads to game being less fun, teams being less proactive, and more stalemates. as for 10 you are simply braindead its just not true

if ur not trolling:

2 of your "pros" are actually just cons that lower the skill ceiling of the game and are super forgiving to people in bad position. both would also apply if med had 200 hp, but that doesnt mean its a good change.

pocket has not been "constantly healed" for the last 4 years of this game, medic positioning hasnt "improved", they just dont get punished for being out of position due to scout running. roamer is harder bc now scouts are better and medic dodging is waaaaay easier. exchanges and small ads being discouraged just leads to game being less fun, teams being less proactive, and more stalemates. as for 10 you are simply braindead its just not true
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#84
-10 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/HgW0CMK.png

[img]https://i.imgur.com/HgW0CMK.png[/img]
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#85
13 Frags +

i really like these changes but leave out the resistance thing, you shouldnt change to much at once without everyone getting used to playing like how it used to be in the meantime or you will piss off a lot of medic/scout mains...

and as for b4nny's opinion: who gives a fuck about his opinion, he just wants to win so he can keep up his lifestyle as a streamer and a change like this would get him out of his comfort zone. he would prolly say he is going to switch to another game, play it a few weeks and watch his view numbers drop and crawl back.

i really like these changes but leave out the resistance thing, you shouldnt change to much at once without everyone getting used to playing like how it used to be in the meantime or you will piss off a lot of medic/scout mains...

and as for b4nny's opinion: who gives a fuck about his opinion, he just wants to win so he can keep up his lifestyle as a streamer and a change like this would get him out of his comfort zone. he would prolly say he is going to switch to another game, play it a few weeks and watch his view numbers drop and crawl back.
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#86
16 Frags +
StarkieKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
i have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs? i know he went to valves offices so i assume he suggested it thinking that faster medics = faster games. unfortunately when medics rarely die you end up in a lot of stalemates. i remember when losing a mid hard meant getting wiped and almost certainly losing a round - now your med just sprints to last like usain bolt and you have a nice little last stalemate

I have been saying it for so long, there is some proof to support this. Mostly that b4nny's design philosophy was about making the overpowered weapons more in line with others and having everything available, whether that was by buffing the weak or nerfing the strong was up for debate. He has always been vocal on this, and vocal on trying new things to see if they work.

Med scout speed buff is a thing because he wanted the quickfix brought in line with other mediguns to allow for it to be unbanned. Whether it was him telling valve that this is a solution, or them coming up with a way to equalize all weaponry is up in the air, but it was most definitely started by b4nny saying he wants all weapons equal power as the way forward.

[quote=Starkie][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
i have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs? i know he went to valves offices so i assume he suggested it thinking that faster medics = faster games. unfortunately when medics rarely die you end up in a lot of stalemates. i remember when losing a mid hard meant getting wiped and almost certainly losing a round - now your med just sprints to last like usain bolt and you have a nice little last stalemate[/quote]

I have been saying it for so long, there is some proof to support this. Mostly that b4nny's design philosophy was about making the overpowered weapons more in line with others and having everything available, whether that was by buffing the weak or nerfing the strong was up for debate. He has always been vocal on this, and vocal on trying new things to see if they work.

Med scout speed buff is a thing because he wanted the quickfix brought in line with other mediguns to allow for it to be unbanned. Whether it was him telling valve that this is a solution, or them coming up with a way to equalize all weaponry is up in the air, but it was most definitely started by b4nny saying he wants all weapons equal power as the way forward.
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#87
30 Frags +
KZThe thing on top of that is that he doesn't want to even talk or discuss things with us, he straight-up called twiikuu a liar when he said he doesn't wish any harm to b4nny (it's in the VOD). He just pretty much declared that if this thing is adopted it somehow will kill TF2, simply because Valve hasn't ordained it.

b4nny is so delusional and coked up on his own ego he somehow thinks twiikuu had anything to do with the deaths of Ep III/BTS (When asked to name the people responsible for the lans demise he mentioned twiikuu's name), and he said "the same people responsible for that are making this promod" as if samiface and dashner are using ghidra to uncover TF2 functions. He also suggested erynn had guilt by association (through pug champ) with TSC for the lans. Or maybe he meant something else, who knows, I certainly can't since he never supported any of his arguments.

[quote=KZ]
The thing on top of that is that he doesn't want to even talk or discuss things with us, he straight-up called twiikuu a liar when he said he doesn't wish any harm to b4nny (it's in the VOD). He just pretty much declared that if this thing is adopted it somehow will kill TF2, simply because Valve hasn't ordained it.[/quote]
b4nny is so delusional and coked up on his own ego he somehow thinks twiikuu had anything to do with the deaths of Ep III/BTS (When asked to name the people responsible for the lans demise he mentioned twiikuu's name), and he said "the same people responsible for that are making this promod" as if samiface and dashner are using ghidra to uncover TF2 functions. He also suggested erynn had guilt by association (through pug champ) with TSC for the lans. Or maybe he meant something else, who knows, I certainly can't since he never supported any of his arguments.
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#88
-25 Frags +
SirPineApplemustardoverlord"SirPineApple" I have no idea who you are but I don't think you belong in this discussion friendoSasukeUchiha_TRADETFSirPineAppleScrewBSirPineAppleYeeHawKZb4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff
positives
  1. ???

negatives
  1. Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
  2. Devalued pocket Soldier
  3. Dumbed down Medic positioning
  4. Dumbed down rollouts
  5. Made Roamer's job even more difficult
  6. low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
  7. dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
  8. started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
  9. dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
  10. heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.

WHAT

Give me something more than WHAT, I have no idea what that means

No u

[quote=SirPineApple][quote=mustardoverlord]"SirPineApple" I have no idea who you are but I don't think you belong in this discussion friendo[/quote]
[quote=SasukeUchiha_TRADETF][quote=SirPineApple][quote=ScrewB][quote=SirPineApple][quote=YeeHaw][quote=KZ]b4nny explaining why medic speed buff is a good thing
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistFlaccidDadFutureMan[/quote]
setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour[/quote]
So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff[/quote]
positives
[olist]
[*] ???
[/olist]
negatives
[olist]
[*]Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
[*]Devalued pocket Soldier
[*]Dumbed down Medic positioning
[*]Dumbed down rollouts
[*]Made Roamer's job even more difficult
[*]low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
[*]dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
[*]started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
[*]dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
[*]heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS
[/olist][/quote]

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.[/quote]

WHAT[/quote]

Give me something more than WHAT, I have no idea what that means[/quote]
No u
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#89
33 Frags +
_Makkabeusfucking hell stop copying everything in the replies
[quote=_Makkabeus]fucking hell stop copying everything in the replies[/quote]
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#90
-6 Frags +

I-I'm... I'M GONNA SCOOM... OH GOD FUCK... I'M SCOOMING!

I-I'm... I'M GONNA SCOOM... OH GOD FUCK... I'M SCOOMING!
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