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Med speed buff removal EU DMIXES
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#91
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SirPineApple1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway,

Stopped reading here

[quote=SirPineApple]
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, [/quote]
Stopped reading here
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#92
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ScrewBSirPineApple1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, Stopped reading here

ignorance

[quote=ScrewB][quote=SirPineApple]
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, [/quote]
Stopped reading here[/quote]
ignorance
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#93
45 Frags +

ban SirPineApple

ban SirPineApple
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#94
21 Frags +
SirPineAppleScrewBSirPineApple1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, Stopped reading hereignorance

https://i.imgur.com/h03qG5v.png

[quote=SirPineApple][quote=ScrewB][quote=SirPineApple]
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, [/quote]
Stopped reading here[/quote]
ignorance[/quote]
https://i.imgur.com/h03qG5v.png
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#95
12 Frags +

He's got more 6s experience than me, I'll give him that.

He's got more 6s experience than me, I'll give him that.
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#96
-24 Frags +
BumFreezeif ur not trolling:

2 of your "pros" are actually just cons that lower the skill ceiling of the game and are super forgiving to people in bad position. both would also apply if med had 200 hp, but that doesnt mean its a good change.

pocket has not been "constantly healed" for the last 4 years of this game, medic positioning hasnt "improved", they just dont get punished for being out of position due to scout running. roamer is harder bc now scouts are better and medic dodging is waaaaay easier. exchanges and small ads being discouraged just leads to game being less fun, teams being less proactive, and more stalemates. as for 10 you are simply braindead its just not true

Okay i agree with the Pocket not being healed, Do you think that exchanges will change because of the medic speed? I'd think it would be less successful of an exchange if you lose the medic speed. I can see why roamer would be harder in certain situations, but i dont think roamer would change in anyway if you took the medic buff away or still had it.

[quote=BumFreeze]if ur not trolling:

2 of your "pros" are actually just cons that lower the skill ceiling of the game and are super forgiving to people in bad position. both would also apply if med had 200 hp, but that doesnt mean its a good change.

pocket has not been "constantly healed" for the last 4 years of this game, medic positioning hasnt "improved", they just dont get punished for being out of position due to scout running. roamer is harder bc now scouts are better and medic dodging is waaaaay easier. exchanges and small ads being discouraged just leads to game being less fun, teams being less proactive, and more stalemates. as for 10 you are simply braindead its just not true[/quote]

Okay i agree with the Pocket not being healed, Do you think that exchanges will change because of the medic speed? I'd think it would be less successful of an exchange if you lose the medic speed. I can see why roamer would be harder in certain situations, but i dont think roamer would change in anyway if you took the medic buff away or still had it.
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#97
46 Frags +

sorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want

sorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want
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#98
-7 Frags +
BumFreezesorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want

I mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more

[quote=BumFreeze]sorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want[/quote]
I mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more
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#99
17 Frags +
SirPineAppleBumFreezesorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you wantI mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more

This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.

[quote=SirPineApple][quote=BumFreeze]sorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want[/quote]
I mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more[/quote]

This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.
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#100
1 Frags +
saci really like these changes but leave out the resistance thing, you shouldnt change to much at once without everyone getting used to playing like how it used to be in the meantime or you will piss off a lot of medic/scout mains...

i mean sure, if u prefer doing one thing at a time sure but the arguments for trying it are the same with or without scoutspeed medics and it should still be considered now

[quote=sac]i really like these changes but leave out the resistance thing, you shouldnt change to much at once without everyone getting used to playing like how it used to be in the meantime or you will piss off a lot of medic/scout mains...
[/quote]
i mean sure, if u prefer doing one thing at a time sure but the arguments for trying it are the same with or without scoutspeed medics and it should still be considered now
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#101
-2 Frags +
DoughySirPineAppleBumFreezesorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you wantI mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more
This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.

Tell me b4nny's argument

[quote=Doughy][quote=SirPineApple][quote=BumFreeze]sorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want[/quote]
I mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more[/quote]

This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.[/quote]

Tell me b4nny's argument
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#102
34 Frags +
SirPineAppleBumFreezeif ur not trolling:

2 of your "pros" are actually just cons that lower the skill ceiling of the game and are super forgiving to people in bad position. both would also apply if med had 200 hp, but that doesnt mean its a good change.

pocket has not been "constantly healed" for the last 4 years of this game, medic positioning hasnt "improved", they just dont get punished for being out of position due to scout running. roamer is harder bc now scouts are better and medic dodging is waaaaay easier. exchanges and small ads being discouraged just leads to game being less fun, teams being less proactive, and more stalemates. as for 10 you are simply braindead its just not true

Okay i agree with the Pocket not being healed, Do you think that exchanges will change because of the medic speed? I'd think it would be less successful of an exchange if you lose the medic speed. I can see why roamer would be harder in certain situations, but i dont think roamer would change in anyway if you took the medic buff away or still had it.

catching out and hitting rockets on medics is easier when they're not able to move at scout speed. how does that not affect roamer

[quote=SirPineApple][quote=BumFreeze]if ur not trolling:

2 of your "pros" are actually just cons that lower the skill ceiling of the game and are super forgiving to people in bad position. both would also apply if med had 200 hp, but that doesnt mean its a good change.

pocket has not been "constantly healed" for the last 4 years of this game, medic positioning hasnt "improved", they just dont get punished for being out of position due to scout running. roamer is harder bc now scouts are better and medic dodging is waaaaay easier. exchanges and small ads being discouraged just leads to game being less fun, teams being less proactive, and more stalemates. as for 10 you are simply braindead its just not true[/quote]

Okay i agree with the Pocket not being healed, Do you think that exchanges will change because of the medic speed? I'd think it would be less successful of an exchange if you lose the medic speed. I can see why roamer would be harder in certain situations, but i dont think roamer would change in anyway if you took the medic buff away or still had it.[/quote]

catching out and hitting rockets on medics is easier when they're not able to move at scout speed. how does that not affect roamer
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#103
14 Frags +
SirPineAppleDoughySirPineAppleBumFreezesorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you wantI mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more
This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.

Tell me b4nny's argument

His argument is that he doesn't want to spoil things and wants to see if we get it and will message yomps if he is curious.
Also, I know that you are a loyal b4nny sub and this discussion might not be for you unless you wanna be open-minded about things.

[quote=SirPineApple][quote=Doughy][quote=SirPineApple][quote=BumFreeze]sorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want[/quote]
I mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more[/quote]

This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.[/quote]

Tell me b4nny's argument[/quote]

His argument is that he doesn't want to spoil things and wants to see if we get it and will message yomps if he is curious.
Also, I know that you are a loyal b4nny sub and this discussion might not be for you unless you wanna be open-minded about things.
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#104
56 Frags +
SirPineAppleI can see why roamer would be harder in certain situations, but i dont think roamer would change in anyway if you took the medic buff away or still had it.

Before tether speed: uh oh a Soldier is bombing me I better hit a good surf to stay alive

After tether speed: haha I click on Scout go VROOM

[quote=SirPineApple]I can see why roamer would be harder in certain situations, but i dont think roamer would change in anyway if you took the medic buff away or still had it.[/quote]

Before tether speed: uh oh a Soldier is bombing me I better hit a good surf to stay alive

After tether speed: haha I click on Scout go VROOM
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#105
-28 Frags +
KZSirPineAppleDoughySirPineAppleBumFreezesorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you wantI mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more
This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.

Tell me b4nny's argument

His argument is that he doesn't want to spoil things and wants to see if we get it and will message yomps if he is curious.
Also, I know that you are a loyal b4nny sub and this discussion might not be for you unless you wanna be open-minded about things.

Sure im a loyal b4nny sub, but if b4nny says something stupid, sure i will disagree with him. Just cause i follow someone doesnt mean when they something stupid i'd still follow in their footsteps. that beings said i dont think removing the medic buff is the right choice

[quote=KZ][quote=SirPineApple][quote=Doughy][quote=SirPineApple][quote=BumFreeze]sorry i dont want to spoil any more, i want to see if you understand it. i might message yomps on steam though if you want[/quote]
I mean sure, If i dont understand it, guess i'll learn some more[/quote]

This proves all outrage against b4nny in this thread if a (presumed) follower questioning our ideals doesn't understand b4nny's own argument.[/quote]

Tell me b4nny's argument[/quote]

His argument is that he doesn't want to spoil things and wants to see if we get it and will message yomps if he is curious.
Also, I know that you are a loyal b4nny sub and this discussion might not be for you unless you wanna be open-minded about things.[/quote]

Sure im a loyal b4nny sub, but if b4nny says something stupid, sure i will disagree with him. Just cause i follow someone doesnt mean when they something stupid i'd still follow in their footsteps. that beings said i dont think removing the medic buff is the right choice
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#106
10 Frags +

please stop posting

please stop posting
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#107
40 Frags +

loyal banny sub

loyal banny sub
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#108
35 Frags +
SirPineApple

I beg you. Stop posting. PLease fucking stop

[quote=SirPineApple][/quote]
I beg you. Stop posting. PLease fucking stop
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#109
30 Frags +

I watch uncle dane and he said that egnineer is best so he is better than scout in games because he doesnt need the heal of a medic and he has a heal from a dispenser that is good and better and fast medic still dies to sentry gun and i have gifted sub so i know my stuff

I watch uncle dane and he said that egnineer is best so he is better than scout in games because he doesnt need the heal of a medic and he has a heal from a dispenser that is good and better and fast medic still dies to sentry gun and i have gifted sub so i know my stuff
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#110
44 Frags +
SirPineApple
Tell me b4nny's argument

We don't actually know his argument as to why the current game state is good and how his vision will make it better.

He has one, but he doesn't want to share it with anyone. His reasoning for not sharing it is that he wants people to figure it out themselves. Which doesn't make any sense, since it's an entirely subjective matter of enjoyment.

If he just said his own reasons for liking the changes, there would be so much less backlash because at least he is honest and there is a starting point, so there can be actual discussion done. Instead he just insults people blindly whilst not listening to their side, assuming you are either with him (smart, intelligent, twitch subs), or against him (idiots) and believing that there is no middle ground. He says he has set people straight and explained their wrongdoings but he has never done that. There is 0 evidence.

However, there is evidence of the community giving extra things a go. Relaxing the whitelist, trying weapons, trying new maps, trying new gamemodes. Plenty of people in the community love theory crafting, coming up with new spam angles and strategies with different weapon and rollouts. Working out what counters what.

This thing, the medic scout speed buff has been in the game for nearly 4 years. The community has been so vocal on how it is a bad thing for so long. How it makes the game less fun overall for all classes. 4 years of testing this one change. For most people, that is enough time to see if something is good or not. For b4nny, he is either blind to the community, ignores them intentionally, or honestly believes his own opinion. None of these are really fine, since the first two are toxic attitudes towards the community, and the last is awful since he refuses to share his reasoning for his opinion so no discussion can be made. As a community, we kinda need a person like b4nny as a leader since he has a lot of influence, but he is just not the right person. As blunt as it is, he is just not mature or smart enough. Which is a shame.

[quote=SirPineApple]

Tell me b4nny's argument[/quote]

We don't actually know his argument as to why the current game state is good and how his vision will make it better.

He has one, but he doesn't want to share it with anyone. His reasoning for not sharing it is that he wants people to figure it out themselves. Which doesn't make any sense, since it's an entirely subjective matter of enjoyment.

If he just said his own reasons for liking the changes, there would be so much less backlash because at least he is honest and there is a starting point, so there can be actual discussion done. Instead he just insults people blindly whilst not listening to their side, assuming you are either with him (smart, intelligent, twitch subs), or against him (idiots) and believing that there is no middle ground. He says he has set people straight and explained their wrongdoings but he has never done that. There is 0 evidence.

However, there is evidence of the community giving extra things a go. Relaxing the whitelist, trying weapons, trying new maps, trying new gamemodes. Plenty of people in the community love theory crafting, coming up with new spam angles and strategies with different weapon and rollouts. Working out what counters what.

This thing, the medic scout speed buff has been in the game for nearly 4 years. The community has been so vocal on how it is a bad thing for so long. How it makes the game less fun overall for all classes. 4 years of testing this one change. For most people, that is enough time to see if something is good or not. For b4nny, he is either blind to the community, ignores them intentionally, or honestly believes his own opinion. None of these are really fine, since the first two are toxic attitudes towards the community, and the last is awful since he refuses to share his reasoning for his opinion so no discussion can be made. As a community, we kinda need a person like b4nny as a leader since he has a lot of influence, but he is just not the right person. As blunt as it is, he is just not mature or smart enough. Which is a shame.
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#111
12 Frags +
Starkiei have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs?

don't you have this backwards? i thought one of the reasons they implemented it was so that pub medics would start healing scouts, since they never did before.

i assume they still don't, but from valve's perspective it was worth a try because valve only cares about pubs.

[quote=Starkie]i have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs?[/quote]
don't you have this backwards? i thought one of the reasons they implemented it was so that pub medics [i]would start[/i] healing scouts, since they never did before.

i assume they still don't, but from valve's perspective it was worth a try because valve only cares about pubs.
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#112
7 Frags +
glassStarkiei have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs?
don't you have this backwards? i thought one of the reasons they implemented it was so that pub medics would start healing scouts, since they never did before.

i assume they still don't, but from valve's perspective it was worth a try because valve only cares about pubs.

The changes for meet your match were directed towards competitive 6s and it's meta. It was designed to bring problem weapons back into line so they didn't rule in matchmaking. If they made a change for that update with pubs in mind, then the rest of hope some people still held for valve should have been gone years ago.

[quote=glass][quote=Starkie]i have no proof for this but i assume b4nny asked for the med speed buff to be implemented
why would valve introduce a feature that only helps medics when they heal a scout? when have you ever seen a medic and scout combo in pubs?[/quote]
don't you have this backwards? i thought one of the reasons they implemented it was so that pub medics [i]would start[/i] healing scouts, since they never did before.

i assume they still don't, but from valve's perspective it was worth a try because valve only cares about pubs.[/quote]

The changes for meet your match were directed towards competitive 6s and it's meta. It was designed to bring problem weapons back into line so they didn't rule in matchmaking. If they made a change for that update with pubs in mind, then the rest of hope some people still held for valve should have been gone years ago.
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#113
16 Frags +
SirPineApple

Could you tell us how you first found this website? This information could be vital to ensure another incident such as this never happens again.

[quote=SirPineApple]
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Could you tell us how you first found this website? This information could be vital to ensure another incident such as this never happens again.
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#114
21 Frags +
glassdon't you have this backwards? i thought one of the reasons they implemented it was so that pub medics would start healing scouts, since they never did before.

i assume they still don't, but from valve's perspective it was worth a try because valve only cares about pubs.

At the time at lot of the changes were to make medic more enjoyable to play in order to entice people to play it in MM. Because MM doesn't have have any mandatory classes, and people can choose any class, it makes sense to make medic as enjoyable as possible so there are more people who are willing and actually like playing the class in MM, instead of just ending up with a no medic team, or bullying a player into going medic. The crossbow buff and medic movement were apart of that iirc.

[quote=glass]
don't you have this backwards? i thought one of the reasons they implemented it was so that pub medics [i]would start[/i] healing scouts, since they never did before.

i assume they still don't, but from valve's perspective it was worth a try because valve only cares about pubs.[/quote]

At the time at lot of the changes were to make medic more enjoyable to play in order to entice people to play it in MM. Because MM doesn't have have any mandatory classes, and people can choose any class, it makes sense to make medic as enjoyable as possible so there are more people who are willing and actually like playing the class in MM, instead of just ending up with a no medic team, or bullying a player into going medic. The crossbow buff and medic movement were apart of that iirc.
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#115
2 Frags +
TcmanoAt the time at lot of the changes were to make medic more enjoyable to play in order to entice people to play it in MM. Because MM doesn't have have any mandatory classes, and people can choose any class, it makes sense to make medic as enjoyable as possible so there are more people who are willing and actually like playing the class in MM, instead of just ending up with a no medic team, or bullying a player into going medic. The crossbow buff and medic movement were apart of that iirc.

Ironically this has made medic significantly less fun to play in a competitive setting (for me at least).

[quote=Tcmano]
At the time at lot of the changes were to make medic more enjoyable to play in order to entice people to play it in MM. Because MM doesn't have have any mandatory classes, and people can choose any class, it makes sense to make medic as enjoyable as possible so there are more people who are willing and actually like playing the class in MM, instead of just ending up with a no medic team, or bullying a player into going medic. The crossbow buff and medic movement were apart of that iirc.[/quote]
Ironically this has made medic significantly less fun to play in a competitive setting (for me at least).
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#116
-4 Frags +
ScrewBy less fun to play in a competitive setting (for me at least).

It also makes it so you actually need to think which drastically increases the skill ceiling on the easiest class in the game.

I love these changes and hope we get NA games running them.

[quote=ScrewB]y less fun to play in a competitive setting (for me at least).[/quote]
It also makes it so you actually need to think which drastically increases the skill ceiling on the easiest class in the game.

I love these changes and hope we get NA games running them.
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#117
18 Frags +
tsarScrewBy less fun to play in a competitive setting (for me at least).It also makes it so you actually need to think which drastically increases the skill ceiling on the easiest class in the game.

I love these changes and hope we get NA games running them.

I think there is a bit of a disconnect between the thing you quoted and what you are saying m8.

[quote=tsar][quote=ScrewB]y less fun to play in a competitive setting (for me at least).[/quote]
It also makes it so you actually need to think which drastically increases the skill ceiling on the easiest class in the game.

I love these changes and hope we get NA games running them.[/quote]
I think there is a bit of a disconnect between the thing you quoted and what you are saying m8.
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#118
27 Frags +

Alright nuke the thread the b4nny subs have shown up. But seriously, decisions on this should be a community wide thing, not just down to select players. B4nny's opinion matters as much as anyone else's. It just might be different because without this game being alive he has no job, so his decisions are influenced by that. I don't want my hobby to be decided by the financial situation of another player, however good they may be.

Alright nuke the thread the b4nny subs have shown up. But seriously, decisions on this should be a community wide thing, not just down to select players. B4nny's opinion matters as much as anyone else's. It just might be different because without this game being alive he has no job, so his decisions are influenced by that. I don't want my hobby to be decided by the financial situation of another player, however good they may be.
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#119
-25 Frags +

b4nny bad
upvotes on the left

b4nny bad
upvotes on the left
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#120
14 Frags +

There is a vast and insidious conspiracy at play [MarketPlace.TF]

There is a vast and insidious conspiracy at play [MarketPlace.TF]
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