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ETF2L Ban Policy
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#31
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DCS is a stinky poop

DCS is a stinky poop
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#32
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KZImagine if someone celebrated the death of a loved one of yours, how would you feel? I agree with doughy. Ban is fair.

wouldn't care.
my loss, not theirs

[quote=KZ]Imagine if someone celebrated the death of a loved one of yours, how would you feel? I agree with doughy. Ban is fair.[/quote]

wouldn't care.
my loss, not theirs
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#33
27 Frags +

ETF2L gives out minor warnings for extreme racism in chat. They barely bat an eye at transphobia in the official etf2l discord. Look at the stuff people pass off as memes in twitch chat without repercussion. And then they essentially ban someone for the remainder of TF2's lifespan for mocking someone's death? She was extremely disrespectful and I'm not defending her, but where is the consistency?

Edit: Right as I was typing this, this guy was in my lobby. But apparently fortnite dance is much more insulting, amirite guys?

ETF2L gives out minor warnings for extreme racism in chat. They barely bat an eye at transphobia in the official etf2l discord. Look at the stuff people pass off as memes in twitch chat without repercussion. And then they essentially ban someone for the remainder of TF2's lifespan for mocking someone's death? She was extremely disrespectful and I'm not defending her, but where is the consistency?

Edit: Right as I was typing this, [url=https://i.imgur.com/CxXSIJH.jpg]this guy was in my lobby[/url]. But apparently fortnite dance is much more insulting, amirite guys?
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#34
14 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/eThXtJb.png

i agree the person should be banned but imo racism is way worse
the ban should be aligned with other offences such as racism

[img]https://i.imgur.com/eThXtJb.png[/img]
i agree the person should be banned but imo racism is way worse
the ban should be aligned with other offences such as racism
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#35
38 Frags +

Pointing out a different thing here than what's being discussed, but isn't it a little weird that Night Terror got a 1 year ban now for a VAC ban, despite already getting banned in 2017 for the use of aimbot? Two different cases in the perspective of the anti-cheat staff but rather weird for a second time ban to still give only a single year if the cheaters don't want to bother learning from their earlier mistakes already.

Pointing out a different thing here than what's being discussed, but isn't it a little weird that Night Terror got a 1 year ban now for a VAC ban, despite already getting banned in 2017 for the use of aimbot? Two different cases in the perspective of the anti-cheat staff but rather weird for a second time ban to still give only a single year if the cheaters don't want to bother learning from their earlier mistakes already.
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#36
28 Frags +

this guy gets 6 months for what is probably an awkward message and i get off scot-free after sucking hamahams(only 14 at the time) toes at lan
this community is a joke lmfao

this guy gets 6 months for what is probably an awkward message and i get off scot-free after sucking hamahams(only 14 at the time) toes at lan
this community is a joke lmfao
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#37
60 Frags +

who are these 3 torrit guys and why do all of them make awful jokes

who are these 3 torrit guys and why do all of them make awful jokes
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#38
4 Frags +

what did offside say to get banned
asking for a friend

what did offside say to get banned
asking for a friend
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#39
4 Frags +
klassywho are these 3 torrit guys and why do all of them make awful jokes

Did some research, looks like he's also a cheater as well as a hamaham-fiddler and shitposter. How hasn't he been Permabanned yet?

[quote=klassy]who are these 3 torrit guys and why do all of them make awful jokes[/quote]

Did some [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/31088/play-my-last-lobby-with-me]research[/url], looks like he's also a cheater as well as a hamaham-fiddler and shitposter. How hasn't he been Permabanned yet?
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#40
18 Frags +

1 year per word

1 year per word
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#41
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XKlusiveAir_u can cheat and diddle 3 kids and get half this guys ban in etf2l
"Inappropriate behavior around a minor" SIX MONTHS BAN

I don't condone speaking ill of the dead, but 5 years, yeah doesn't seem proportional

how do you even know someone is a minor you can legit photoshop a text and say ur 14 years old and get someone banned

[quote=XKlusive][quote=Air_]u can cheat and diddle 3 kids and get half this guys ban in etf2l[/quote]

"Inappropriate behavior around a minor" [b]SIX MONTHS BAN[/b]

I don't condone speaking ill of the dead, but 5 years, yeah doesn't seem proportional[/quote]


how do you even know someone is a minor you can legit photoshop a text and say ur 14 years old and get someone banned
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#42
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how long do u guys think is an acceptable time limit to ban him tho?

i think 6 months minimum

how long do u guys think is an acceptable time limit to ban him tho?

i think 6 months minimum
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#43
24 Frags +

5 years is essentially the same as 100 years, do u really think in 5 years this guys comin back like "oh fuck yeah my bans up" no he's just gone forever, if thats the effect u want then ban him forever

5 years is essentially the same as 100 years, do u really think in 5 years this guys comin back like "oh fuck yeah my bans up" no he's just gone forever, if thats the effect u want then ban him forever
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#44
10 Frags +

waiting for etf2l 2...

waiting for etf2l 2...
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#45
0 Frags +

anything more than a year is a perma ban cause id expect them to just lose interest or the game to die

this kid was just attention seeking and trying to take the attention of someone who supposedly did a lot for the scene on them and deserves a ban this lengthy. Idk as far as im concerned its a good thing we are down 1 noob weaboo attention seeker

anything more than a year is a perma ban cause id expect them to just lose interest or the game to die

this kid was just attention seeking and trying to take the attention of someone who supposedly did a lot for the scene on them and deserves a ban this lengthy. Idk as far as im concerned its a good thing we are down 1 noob weaboo attention seeker
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#46
23 Frags +

All balkan nations should be ip banned from etf2l

All balkan nations should be ip banned from etf2l
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#47
9 Frags +

not an etf2l admin but this seems like a case where the person who got banned can easily get unbanned, or at least their time reduced, by talking to the admins. they're regretting their actions, so if they just go talk to someone and say something like "i'm sorry, i said that because {whatever}" it would be totally unreasonable for anyone to say "nah 5 years is 5 years GLHF" to that.

not an etf2l admin but this seems like a case where the person who got banned can easily get unbanned, or at least their time reduced, by talking to the admins. they're regretting their actions, so if they just go talk to someone and say something like "i'm sorry, i said that because {whatever}" it would be totally unreasonable for anyone to say "nah 5 years is 5 years GLHF" to that.
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#48
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KZImagine if someone celebrated the death of a loved one of yours, how would you feel? I agree with doughy. Ban is fair.

You literally wished death on my mother today because of losing to me on MGE you have 0 rights to talk.

https://imgur.com/SU4hgh7

[quote=KZ]Imagine if someone celebrated the death of a loved one of yours, how would you feel? I agree with doughy. Ban is fair.[/quote]
You literally wished death on my mother today because of losing to me on MGE you have 0 rights to talk.
[img]https://imgur.com/SU4hgh7[/img]
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#49
3 Frags +
JackyLegsa caught VAC banned cheater gets banned for 1 year and then gets welcome back like nothing happened, this person says offensive things and gets banned for 5 years?

A caught VAC banned cheater should really be either a permaban or at least 10 years (which is practically a lifetime ban).

If the kid responds back and actually apologizes, they should have a reduced sentence. If they don't, then it's actually fine as that would mean they don't care enough to apologize and don't care to play competitive TF2 through ETF2L which works out.

[quote=JackyLegs]
a caught VAC banned cheater gets banned for 1 year and then gets welcome back like nothing happened, this person says offensive things and gets banned for 5 years?[/quote]

A caught VAC banned cheater should really be either a permaban or at least 10 years (which is practically a lifetime ban).

If the kid responds back and actually apologizes, they should have a reduced sentence. If they don't, then it's actually fine as that would mean they don't care enough to apologize and don't care to play competitive TF2 through ETF2L which works out.
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#50
31 Frags +

It’s a stupid thing to type in a discord and if I were in the admin’s position I would have probably reacted the same way, but after cooling off and realising it was just some kid being an idiot I’m sure most of us would agree five years is a bit ridiculous.
If you do get unbanned sooner btw, grow up and think about the consequences of what you say!!

It’s a stupid thing to type in a discord and if I were in the admin’s position I would have probably reacted the same way, but after cooling off and realising it was just some kid being an idiot I’m sure most of us would agree five years is a bit ridiculous.
If you do get unbanned sooner btw, grow up and think about the consequences of what you say!!
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#51
-9 Frags +

i would be upset if someone commited such a disgusting act towards a dead family member of mine, unless it was my brother, then id allow it.

i would be upset if someone commited such a disgusting act towards a dead family member of mine, unless it was my brother, then id allow it.
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#52
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MagikarpA caught VAC banned cheater should really be either a permaban or at least 10 years (which is practically a lifetime ban).

A VAC ban is really only a formality from what I can tell; even if they get unbanned on ETF2L, they still can't play on VAC servers, so they can't play any offis.

although I do agree with a harsher ban for cheaters

[quote=Magikarp]
A caught VAC banned cheater should really be either a permaban or at least 10 years (which is practically a lifetime ban).
[/quote]

A VAC ban is really only a formality from what I can tell; even if they get unbanned on ETF2L, they still can't play on VAC servers, so they can't play any offis.

although I do agree with a harsher ban for cheaters
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#53
TFNew
11 Frags +
cryosisMagikarpA caught VAC banned cheater should really be either a permaban or at least 10 years (which is practically a lifetime ban).
A VAC ban is really only a formality from what I can tell; even if they get unbanned on ETF2L, they still can't play on VAC servers, so they can't play any offis.

although I do agree with a harsher ban for cheaters

they can swap the steam profile associated with their etf2l account to a new, non-vac'ed one

[quote=cryosis][quote=Magikarp]
A caught VAC banned cheater should really be either a permaban or at least 10 years (which is practically a lifetime ban).
[/quote]

A VAC ban is really only a formality from what I can tell; even if they get unbanned on ETF2L, they still can't play on VAC servers, so they can't play any offis.

although I do agree with a harsher ban for cheaters[/quote]
they can swap the steam profile associated with their etf2l account to a new, non-vac'ed one
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#54
9 Frags +
cre-8i would be upset if someone commited such a disgusting act towards a dead family member of mine, unless it was my brother, then id allow it.

OK

[quote=cre-8]i would be upset if someone commited such a disgusting act towards a dead family member of mine, unless it was my brother, then id allow it.[/quote]

OK
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#55
7 Frags +

First prem scout in mid now this!!!

First prem scout in mid now this!!!
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#56
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wait arent u the guy who died to jetpack in an official? LMAO

wait arent u the guy who died to jetpack in an official? LMAO
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#57
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ZestyZestyThis thread is Stupid. Just Imprison All TF2 Players For Hell Crimes And Be Done With It.
[quote=Zesty][quote=Zesty]This thread is Stupid. Just Imprison All TF2 Players For Hell Crimes And Be Done With It.[/quote][/quote]
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#58
5 Frags +
cre-8i would be upset if someone commited such a disgusting act towards a dead family member of mine, unless it was my brother, then id allow it.

dont posting

[quote=cre-8]i would be upset if someone commited such a disgusting act towards a dead family member of mine, unless it was my brother, then id allow it.[/quote]
dont posting
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#59
26 Frags +

As far as I'm aware the only previous 5-year ban was for Clootie who was caught DDOSing/attempting to DDOS an ETF2L player; when confronted Clootie showed no remorse and in the face of insurmountable evidence denied the allegations (I seem to recall he was resolved to do it again). The 5-year ban effectively made an example out of him, back when multiple players/games were being targetted by DDOS attacks, DDOSing would ABSOLUTELY not be tolerated.

I hope that this ban will have been internally discussed and debated, with admins taking into account their own emotional bias. Ban lengths are complicated; there is no equation for working out how long a player should be banned, and the court of public opinion is always going to debate the length. I have always been a champion for the admins, it is a continually thankless role and it is easy to forget that these volunteers are human too, making what they believe to be the best decisions with the resources they have; they can act emotionally and are justified to be upset by the crass words of an immature player. The loss of a friend is an incredibly difficult thing to process, I hope everyone is giving themselves the time they need to mourn.

I don't think anyone will/should/can defend the words of Little Nyar, I do however believe that people can mature and learn from their mistakes and a 5-year ban does not leave any room to do that, as others have said it is effectively permanent forced extradition from our community. Perhaps Little Nyar can reflect on their actions, write an apology to the community and then the ETF2L admins can review what appears to be a very harsh punishment. Regardless and if the ban stands, it will be good for Little Nyar to internally reflect and understand that although we are an online community we are a part of the real world and therefore subject to the consequences of our actions.

As far as I'm aware the only previous 5-year ban was for [url=http://etf2l.org/2014/11/27/more-november-bans-staff-changes/]Clootie[/url] who was caught DDOSing/attempting to DDOS an ETF2L player; when confronted Clootie showed no remorse and in the face of insurmountable evidence denied the allegations (I seem to recall he was resolved to do it again). The 5-year ban effectively made an example out of him, back when multiple players/games were being targetted by DDOS attacks, DDOSing would [b]ABSOLUTELY[/b] not be tolerated.

I hope that this ban will have been internally discussed and debated, with admins taking into account their own emotional bias. Ban lengths are complicated; there is no equation for working out how long a player should be banned, and the court of public opinion is always going to debate the length. I have always been a champion for the admins, it is a continually thankless role and it is easy to forget that these volunteers are human too, making what they believe to be the best decisions with the resources they have; they can act emotionally and are justified to be upset by the crass words of an immature player. The loss of a friend is an incredibly difficult thing to process, I hope everyone is giving themselves the time they need to mourn.

I don't think anyone will/should/can defend the words of Little Nyar, I do however believe that people can mature and learn from their mistakes and a 5-year ban does not leave any room to do that, as others have said it is effectively permanent forced extradition from our community. Perhaps Little Nyar can reflect on their actions, write an apology to the community and then the ETF2L admins can review what appears to be a very harsh punishment. Regardless and if the ban stands, it will be good for Little Nyar to internally reflect and understand that although we are an online community we are a part of the real world and therefore subject to the consequences of our actions.
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#60
21 Frags +

https://gyazo.com/756fdb7dd497ae06352b50f418c48759 this exists, but Little Nyar gets 5 years?

https://gyazo.com/756fdb7dd497ae06352b50f418c48759 this exists, but Little Nyar gets 5 years?
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