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Problem with RGL Policy
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#91
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dishsoap

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/fb1df67bd7633c557cc7fb8407ed91d4-png.jpg

[quote=dishsoap][/quote]
[img]https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/fb1df67bd7633c557cc7fb8407ed91d4-png.jpg[/img]
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#92
32 Frags +

if i'm not mistaken, the entire point of this thread was to call out RGL for giving cember an indefinite ban and probation for supposed "consistent behavior issues in the past" rather than just a flat 2 week ban. the admins have already admitted to being wrong about this and corrected the ban, so i don't understand why we're arguing about slurs.

if i'm not mistaken, the entire point of this thread was to call out RGL for giving cember an indefinite ban and probation for supposed "consistent behavior issues in the past" rather than just a flat 2 week ban. the admins have already admitted to being wrong about this and corrected the ban, so i don't understand why we're arguing about slurs.
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#93
-5 Frags +

nobody has said the "n-word" so far except dishsoap

nobody has said the "n-word" so far except dishsoap
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#94
26 Frags +
Shuckle-if i'm not mistaken, the entire point of this thread was to call out RGL for giving cember an indefinite ban and probation for supposed "consistent behavior issues in the past" rather than just a flat 2 week ban. the admins have already admitted to being wrong about this and corrected the ban, so i don't understand why we're arguing about slurs.

godwins law but its tftv drama threads and arguing about slurs

[quote=Shuckle-]if i'm not mistaken, the entire point of this thread was to call out RGL for giving cember an indefinite ban and probation for supposed "consistent behavior issues in the past" rather than just a flat 2 week ban. the admins have already admitted to being wrong about this and corrected the ban, so i don't understand why we're arguing about slurs.[/quote]
godwins law but its tftv drama threads and arguing about slurs
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#95
5 Frags +

the issue was never about the n word it was about cember being unfairly treated
you guys REALLY can NOT read

the issue was never about the n word it was about cember being unfairly treated
you guys REALLY can NOT read
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#96
6 Frags +

We are the knights who say, "Ni."

We are the knights who say, "Ni."
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#97
11 Frags +
MRfunnyaliendishsoapnow i wait for eithet ehk0 or some random alt to hit me with somethin thats supposed to make me look like a hypocrite but actually just misses my point entirely and actually bolsters it more.

not ehk0 or a random alt but god damn it hurts being this smart

[quote=MRfunnyalien][/quote]
[quote=dishsoap]now i wait for eithet ehk0 or some random alt to hit me with somethin thats supposed to make me look like a hypocrite but actually just misses my point entirely and actually bolsters it more.[/quote]
not ehk0 or a random alt but god damn it hurts being this smart
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#98
11 Frags +

I just wanna reiterate

VirgilHe did not explicitly say a slur, but if RGL wants to consider the implication of a slur ban worthy then whatever, that's their business.

I totally get the two week side of the ban, it was everything else I had issue with, and that part has been resolved. There are the issues regarding admin transparency overall, but I discussed those privately with sigafoo.

I just wanna reiterate

[quote=Virgil]He did not explicitly say a slur, but if RGL wants to consider the implication of a slur ban worthy then whatever, that's their business.[/quote]

I totally get the two week side of the ban, it was everything else I had issue with, and that part has been resolved. There are the issues regarding admin transparency overall, but I discussed those privately with sigafoo.
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#99
12 Frags +
Air_If only we listened to the multiple people saying to avoid rgl. How could we have ever seen this coming when their other leagues had zero issues with admin discretion

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png

[quote=Air_]If only we listened to the multiple people saying to avoid rgl. How could we have ever seen this coming when their other leagues had zero issues with admin discretion[/quote]


[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png[/img]
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#100
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what if he meant ni-san

what if he meant ni-san
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#101
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/657093080826249228/669324441129451526/Screenshot_20180921-143148_Instagram.jpg?width=563&height=560

[img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/657093080826249228/669324441129451526/Screenshot_20180921-143148_Instagram.jpg?width=563&height=560[/img]
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#102
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dbkwhat the fuck is this rule, this literally makes 0 sense.
https://imgur.com/ToGO8gT
literally why.

I genuinely feel like this rule was made up to kill the scratch + company hl team. wack

Fanta_Addictionwhat if he meant ni-san

ban anime

[quote=dbk]what the fuck is this rule, this literally makes 0 sense.
https://imgur.com/ToGO8gT
literally why.[/quote]
I genuinely feel like this rule was made up to kill the scratch + company hl team. wack

[quote=Fanta_Addiction]what if he meant ni-san[/quote]
ban anime
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#103
23 Frags +
Fanta_Addictionwhat if he meant ni-san

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/839/186/bde.jpg

[quote=Fanta_Addiction]what if he meant ni-san[/quote]
[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/839/186/bde.jpg[/img]
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#104
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all u retardsbut then we'd have to ban everyone who uses slurs!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561327995340718080/669349610581393430/yes.jpg

[quote=all u retards]but then we'd have to ban everyone who uses slurs![/quote]

[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561327995340718080/669349610581393430/yes.jpg[/img]
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#105
27 Frags +

Wait what the fuck? Why is there a limit on players not from North America?

Wait what the fuck? Why is there a limit on players not from North America?
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#106
15 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/06PdDBL.png

damn yall got this shit trending?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/06PdDBL.png[/img]
damn yall got this shit trending?
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#107
-1 Frags +
4812622Wait what the fuck? Why is there a limit on players not from North America?

no clue but there was also a limit in ESEA there wasnt, and im pretty sure there's a limit on NA players in ETF2L as well (?) there isn’t

[quote=4812622]Wait what the fuck? Why is there a limit on players not from North America?[/quote]
no clue [s]but there was also a limit in ESEA[/s] there wasnt, and im pretty sure[s] there's a limit on NA players in ETF2L as well (?)[/s] there isn’t
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#108
3 Frags +

No there wasnt

https://play.esea.net/teams/8707216?tab=league&period[type]=seasons&period[season_start]=198
https://play.esea.net/teams/64918?tab=league&period[type]=seasons&period[season_start]=161

No there wasnt

https://play.esea.net/teams/8707216?tab=league&period[type]=seasons&period[season_start]=198
https://play.esea.net/teams/64918?tab=league&period[type]=seasons&period[season_start]=161
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#109
5 Frags +
dbki feel like yall have constantly found SOMETHING to be mad about since rgl started, like even when I agree i cant help but feel there will still be people crying regardless of the situation. the only reason people didnt do this with esea is there was never an opportunity to do so.

No the reason people didn't do this shit in esea is because if you were to much of a massive idiot lpkane would start handing out permanent "refunds". Even after he stopped doing much on esea admins usually just ignored your complaints or told you to deal with it. Exception being Tri who had way to much on his plate anyway.

[quote=dbk]i feel like yall have constantly found SOMETHING to be mad about since rgl started, like even when I agree i cant help but feel there will still be people crying regardless of the situation. the only reason people didnt do this with esea is there was never an opportunity to do so.[/quote]

No the reason people didn't do this shit in esea is because if you were to much of a massive idiot lpkane would start handing out permanent "refunds". Even after he stopped doing much on esea admins usually just ignored your complaints or told you to deal with it. Exception being Tri who had way to much on his plate anyway.
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#110
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https://i.gyazo.com/0845ae460d25194454145ba22d080625.png

[img]https://i.gyazo.com/0845ae460d25194454145ba22d080625.png[/img]
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#111
13 Frags +

imagine reading all that lmfao

imagine reading all that lmfao
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#112
-32 Frags +
  • leagues shouldn't even need a written "no slurs allowed rule". that should be understood behavior. the implication of a slur should always be enough to warrant a ban
  • this clearly was not a ban by association. even if it was, it's a good thing. i actually agree with banning people that are associated with notably bad people in the community.
  • any league should have the right to not allow anyone person to play for any reason they deem necessary. this is important b/c a) you cant catch everything with the rules, and b) its important for a league (or literally any non-government organization or company) to be able to establish a culture, especially one with a zero-tolerance policy on racism.
  • it being a meme or a joke literally does not matter.
  • if you are banned or punished by a league, for any reason. you're not a victim, you're not being cancelled. you're not entitled to due process. you're not literally being put in jail because an eports league decides that they do not want you a part of their organization.
Seinfeldits a privately hosted FPS game competitive league, if u get banned u dont get a trial u have no rights there are no laws that save u. the most u can do is ask for ur money back. not commenting on the legitimacy of whether cember should be banned or not, ive never had a problem with him, but u guys really need to stop acting like ur 1st amendment is being infringed
  • pointing out the hypocrisy of the admins for saying slurs is good. it's of my opinion that anyone even loosely associated with the toxic racist/sexist/transphobic culture that is underpinning at least a plurality of the competitve tf2 esports scene shouldn't be an admin. of course, rgl is allowed to promote anyone they want to as admin, as well as ban anyone they want to.
  • yes, that culture exists, there's been countless examples brought up in the past several years. dont try to deny it, and its good for a league to be proactive rather than reactive in dealing with a massive toxicity issue.
  • if you don't like it, don't play.
[list]
[*] leagues shouldn't even need a written "no slurs allowed rule". that should be understood behavior. the implication of a slur should always be enough to warrant a ban
[*] this clearly was not a ban by association. even if it was, it's a good thing. i actually agree with banning people that are associated with notably bad people in the community.
[*] any league should have the right to not allow anyone person to play for any reason they deem necessary. this is important b/c a) you cant catch everything with the rules, and b) its important for a league (or literally any non-government organization or company) to be able to establish a culture, especially one with a zero-tolerance policy on racism.
[*] it being a meme or a joke literally does not matter.
[*]if you are banned or punished by a league, for any reason. you're not a victim, you're not being cancelled. you're not entitled to due process. you're not literally being put in jail because an eports league decides that they do not want you a part of their organization.
[/list]

[quote=Seinfeld]its a privately hosted FPS game competitive league, if u get banned u dont get a trial u have no rights there are no laws that save u. the most u can do is ask for ur money back. not commenting on the legitimacy of whether cember should be banned or not, ive never had a problem with him, but u guys really need to stop acting like ur 1st amendment is being infringed[/quote]

[list]
[*] pointing out the hypocrisy of the admins for saying slurs is good. it's of my opinion that anyone even loosely associated with the toxic racist/sexist/transphobic culture that is underpinning at least a plurality of the competitve tf2 esports scene shouldn't be an admin. of course, rgl is allowed to promote anyone they want to as admin, as well as ban anyone they want to.
[*] yes, that culture exists, there's been countless examples brought up in the past several years. dont try to deny it, and its good for a league to be proactive rather than reactive in dealing with a massive toxicity issue.
[*]
if you don't like it, don't play.
[/list]
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#113
11 Frags +
Fanta_Addictionwhat if he meant ni-san

even worse. non-refundable

[quote=Fanta_Addiction]what if he meant ni-san[/quote]
even worse. non-refundable
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#114
25 Frags +
silence_bottom
  • leagues shouldn't even need a written "no slurs allowed rule". that should be understood behavior. the implication of a slur should always be enough to warrant a ban
  • this clearly was not a ban by association. even if it was, it's a good thing. i actually agree with banning people that are associated with notably bad people in the community.
  • any league should have the right to not allow anyone person to play for any reason they deem necessary. this is important b/c a) you cant catch everything with the rules, and b) its important for a league (or literally any non-government organization or company) to be able to establish a culture, especially one with a zero-tolerance policy on racism.
  • it being a meme or a joke literally does not matter.
  • if you are banned or punished by a league, for any reason. you're not a victim, you're not being cancelled. you're not entitled to due process. you're not literally being put in jail because an eports league decides that they do not want you a part of their organization.
Seinfeldits a privately hosted FPS game competitive league, if u get banned u dont get a trial u have no rights there are no laws that save u. the most u can do is ask for ur money back. not commenting on the legitimacy of whether cember should be banned or not, ive never had a problem with him, but u guys really need to stop acting like ur 1st amendment is being infringed
  • pointing out the hypocrisy of the admins for saying slurs is good. it's of my opinion that anyone even loosely associated with the toxic racist/sexist/transphobic culture that is underpinning at least a plurality of the competitve tf2 esports scene. of course, rgl is allowed to promote anyone they want to as admin, as well as ban anyone they want to.
  • yes, that culture exists, there's been countless examples brought up in the past several years. dont try to deny it, and its good for a league to be proactive rather than reactive in dealing with a massive toxicity issue.
  • if you don't like it, don't play.

Ok now this time post it on your main :)

[quote=silence_bottom][list]
[*] leagues shouldn't even need a written "no slurs allowed rule". that should be understood behavior. the implication of a slur should always be enough to warrant a ban
[*] this clearly was not a ban by association. even if it was, it's a good thing. i actually agree with banning people that are associated with notably bad people in the community.
[*] any league should have the right to not allow anyone person to play for any reason they deem necessary. this is important b/c a) you cant catch everything with the rules, and b) its important for a league (or literally any non-government organization or company) to be able to establish a culture, especially one with a zero-tolerance policy on racism.
[*] it being a meme or a joke literally does not matter.
[*]if you are banned or punished by a league, for any reason. you're not a victim, you're not being cancelled. you're not entitled to due process. you're not literally being put in jail because an eports league decides that they do not want you a part of their organization.
[/list]

[quote=Seinfeld]its a privately hosted FPS game competitive league, if u get banned u dont get a trial u have no rights there are no laws that save u. the most u can do is ask for ur money back. not commenting on the legitimacy of whether cember should be banned or not, ive never had a problem with him, but u guys really need to stop acting like ur 1st amendment is being infringed[/quote]

[list]
[*] pointing out the hypocrisy of the admins for saying slurs is good. it's of my opinion that anyone even loosely associated with the toxic racist/sexist/transphobic culture that is underpinning at least a plurality of the competitve tf2 esports scene. of course, rgl is allowed to promote anyone they want to as admin, as well as ban anyone they want to.
[*] yes, that culture exists, there's been countless examples brought up in the past several years. dont try to deny it, and its good for a league to be proactive rather than reactive in dealing with a massive toxicity issue.
[*]
if you don't like it, don't play.
[/list][/quote]
Ok now this time post it on your main :)
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#115
-13 Frags +

I understand putting people in problematic friend groups under the microscope a little more, it makes sense to evaluate these people as "high risk" from an administrative prospective. But giving someone a harsher punishment because of their friends is wayyy over board. Especially for literally saying "Ni".

I understand putting people in problematic friend groups under the microscope a little more, it makes sense to evaluate these people as "high risk" from an administrative prospective. But giving someone a harsher punishment because of their friends is wayyy over board. Especially for literally saying "Ni".
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#116
20 Frags +
GrapeJuiceIIIim pretty sure there's a limit on NA players in ETF2L as well (?)

Jumping in quickly to this to say that there is no limit like this in ETF2L, some full NA and SA teams have played before in the league already and outside of the seasons ETF2L allows any nation with a complete roster to play in nation cups as well

[quote=GrapeJuiceIII]
im pretty sure there's a limit on NA players in ETF2L as well (?)[/quote]
Jumping in quickly to this to say that there is no limit like this in ETF2L, some full NA and SA teams have played before in the league already and outside of the seasons ETF2L allows any nation with a complete roster to play in nation cups as well
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#117
-18 Frags +
aieraOk now this time post it on your main :)

This is my main

[quote=aiera]
Ok now this time post it on your main :)[/quote]

This is my main
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#118
25 Frags +
silence_bottomaieraOk now this time post it on your main :)
This is my main

-account 13 months old
-one non f2p game that you have 0 hours in
-no significant time on any other game
-<800 hours on record
-top fragged first log on a class you have 25 hours on
-seems to care a lot about comp tf2 but has <40 logs
-all highest class hours on classes that have a lot gamemodes (jump maps, dodgeball, etc.)
-furry + trans
Yeah idk about this one chief

[quote=silence_bottom][quote=aiera]
Ok now this time post it on your main :)[/quote]

This is my main[/quote]
-account 13 months old
-one non f2p game that you have 0 hours in
-no significant time on any other game
-<800 hours on record
-top fragged first log on a class you have 25 hours on
-seems to care a lot about comp tf2 but has <40 logs
-all highest class hours on classes that have a lot gamemodes (jump maps, dodgeball, etc.)
-furry + trans
Yeah idk about this one chief
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#119
payload.tf
-10 Frags +
aierasilence_bottomaieraOk now this time post it on your main :)
This is my main
-account 13 months old
-one non f2p game that you have 0 hours in
-no significant time on any other game
-<800 hours on record
-top fragged first log on a class you have 25 hours on
-seems to care a lot about comp tf2 but has <40 logs
-furry + trans
Yeah idk about this one chief

holey shit, nice work detective.

[quote=aiera][quote=silence_bottom][quote=aiera]
Ok now this time post it on your main :)[/quote]

This is my main[/quote]
-account 13 months old
-one non f2p game that you have 0 hours in
-no significant time on any other game
-<800 hours on record
-top fragged first log on a class you have 25 hours on
-seems to care a lot about comp tf2 but has <40 logs
-furry + trans
Yeah idk about this one chief[/quote]
holey shit, nice work detective.
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#120
-23 Frags +
aierasilence_bottomaieraOk now this time post it on your main :)
This is my main
-account 13 months old
-one non f2p game that you have 0 hours in
-no significant time on any other game
-<800 hours on record
-top fragged first log on a class you have 25 hours on
-seems to care a lot about comp tf2 but has <40 logs
-all highest class hours on classes that have a lot gamemodes (jump maps, dodgeball, etc.)
-furry + trans
Yeah idk about this one chief

Nice to know you've stalked me going so deep as to look at my logs to prove a moot point. That's extremely creepy. This is my main account, I've had accounts before this that I have de facto deactivated. You're not entitled to that explanation, however.

[quote=aiera][quote=silence_bottom][quote=aiera]
Ok now this time post it on your main :)[/quote]

This is my main[/quote]
-account 13 months old
-one non f2p game that you have 0 hours in
-no significant time on any other game
-<800 hours on record
-top fragged first log on a class you have 25 hours on
-seems to care a lot about comp tf2 but has <40 logs
-all highest class hours on classes that have a lot gamemodes (jump maps, dodgeball, etc.)
-furry + trans
Yeah idk about this one chief[/quote]

Nice to know you've stalked me going so deep as to look at my logs to prove a moot point. That's extremely creepy. This is my main account, I've had accounts before this that I have de facto deactivated. You're not entitled to that explanation, however.
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