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My Story With Dashner: A Thread
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#61
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Can we ban the trolls in this thread please

Can we ban the trolls in this thread please
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#62
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drshdwpuppetConsole and anyone else he may have hurt.

We (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.

I'm so very sorry. When the uberchain thread first came out now (years?) ago, I knew exactly who she was talking about immediately. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and that it continued to happen says a whole lot more about us as a community than either of you as victims.

I hope you can look back on your time in TF2 with fondness. I only met you that once but you are passionate and dedicated.

Was the Uberchain thread about Dashnerr too?

[quote=drshdwpuppet]Console and anyone else he may have hurt.

We (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.

I'm so very sorry. When the uberchain thread first came out now (years?) ago, I knew exactly who she was talking about immediately. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and that it continued to happen says a whole lot more about us as a community than either of you as victims.

I hope you can look back on your time in TF2 with fondness. I only met you that once but you are passionate and dedicated.[/quote]

Was the Uberchain thread about Dashnerr too?
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#63
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zxpdrshdwpuppet
Was the Uberchain thread about Dashnerr too?

She said she would name drop the person if they did it again. And she posted it in the BTS insanity thread confirming it

[quote=zxp][quote=drshdwpuppet][/quote]

Was the Uberchain thread about Dashnerr too?[/quote]

She said she would name drop the person if they did it again. And she posted it in the BTS insanity thread confirming it
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#64
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zxpdrshdwpuppetConsole and anyone else he may have hurt.

We (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.

I'm so very sorry. When the uberchain thread first came out now (years?) ago, I knew exactly who she was talking about immediately. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and that it continued to happen says a whole lot more about us as a community than either of you as victims.

I hope you can look back on your time in TF2 with fondness. I only met you that once but you are passionate and dedicated.

Was the Uberchain thread about Dashnerr too?

Yes, I've been taking advice with her a lot on how to approach this situation

[quote=zxp][quote=drshdwpuppet]Console and anyone else he may have hurt.

We (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.

I'm so very sorry. When the uberchain thread first came out now (years?) ago, I knew exactly who she was talking about immediately. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and that it continued to happen says a whole lot more about us as a community than either of you as victims.

I hope you can look back on your time in TF2 with fondness. I only met you that once but you are passionate and dedicated.[/quote]

Was the Uberchain thread about Dashnerr too?[/quote]
Yes, I've been taking advice with her a lot on how to approach this situation
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#65
ETF2L
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That's messed up.

That's messed up.
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#66
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YeeHawdrshdwpuppetWe (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.not really fair to blame the 'community' for this one maybe a few people close to dashner (sami), but how would 99% of people have any idea what was going on

I'm not just talking about this specific incident either.

How many people need to be outed as either pedophiles or sexually aggressive or taking advantage of power differences in the community before people realize that its a community problem. It is not our fault, that will 100% lie with the perpetrators of whatever crime or shitty thing that happens, but to pretend that we do not have a community wide problem with this sort of thing is to be completely ignorant.

No individual is responsible for "protecting the community". We are all responsible for keeping the community the kind of welcoming and safe place that it has enjoyed a reputation of being for years. We all benefit from things like this NOT happening and idk about you but I feel some sort of responsibility for my fellow TF2 player.

[quote=YeeHaw][quote=drshdwpuppet]We (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.
[/quote]
not really fair to blame the 'community' for this one maybe a few people close to dashner (sami), but how would 99% of people have any idea what was going on[/quote]

I'm not just talking about this specific incident either.

How many people need to be outed as either pedophiles or sexually aggressive or taking advantage of power differences in the community before people realize that its a community problem. It is not our [i]fault[/i], that will 100% lie with the perpetrators of whatever crime or shitty thing that happens, but to pretend that we do not have a community wide problem with this sort of thing is to be completely ignorant.

No individual is responsible for "protecting the community". We are all responsible for keeping the community the kind of welcoming and safe place that it has enjoyed a reputation of being for years. We all benefit from things like this NOT happening and idk about you but I feel some sort of responsibility for my fellow TF2 player.
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#67
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So my teams down multiple grand because the organisers decided to let known to be unstable power trippers and rapists admin the event and not even give the people trying to attend the event any light on the situation?

Like I said in the discord, joke from the fucking beginning....

So my teams down multiple grand because the organisers decided to let known to be unstable power trippers and rapists admin the event and not even give the people trying to attend the event any light on the situation?

Like I said in the discord, joke from the fucking beginning....
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#68
70 Frags +

Enigma should tell us whos alt this genericusername kid is.

Ppl shouldn't be able to make alts and make fun of a situation like this and continue to be in the community

Enigma should tell us whos alt this genericusername kid is.

Ppl shouldn't be able to make alts and make fun of a situation like this and continue to be in the community
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#69
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this is heartbreaking. console is one of the nicest tf2 people ive ever met, he was beyond patient when teaching my tiny brain how to do TFTV production. luv u homie

this is heartbreaking. console is one of the nicest tf2 people ive ever met, he was beyond patient when teaching my tiny brain how to do TFTV production. luv u homie
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#70
17 Frags +

let's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.

let's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.
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#71
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EDIT: "Fool me once" wasn't a great choice of words, I just hate that this happened for the second time (that we know of)

(No hate to you Console - only love. Sick to my stomach reading this shit. Fuck this shit.)

EDIT: "Fool me once" wasn't a great choice of words, I just hate that this happened for the second time (that we know of)

(No hate to you Console - only love. Sick to my stomach reading this shit. Fuck this shit.)
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#72
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I'm sorry this happened and I sincerely hope things improve for you from this point on. You were such a pleasure to hang out with during the time when Episode 3 was supposed to happen and it pains me to hear things like this happen. Thank you so much for sharing since I'm sure it's not easy.

I'm sorry this happened and I sincerely hope things improve for you from this point on. You were such a pleasure to hang out with during the time when Episode 3 was supposed to happen and it pains me to hear things like this happen. Thank you so much for sharing since I'm sure it's not easy.
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#73
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uberchainuberchainIf there is a reason I have not name dropped these people here just yet then believe me when I tell you there is a very fucking big reason for this.

The people who do know who they are are people who can do something about it and watch these people, that being said. If I hear about them doing this shit again to anybody else, I WILL name drop them.
Dashner.

https://twitter.com/uberchain/status/1026205810823639040

Reminder that this didn't just happen with Console, it's a repeated behavior

[quote=uberchain][quote=uberchain]If there is a reason I have not name dropped these people here just yet then believe me when I tell you there is a very fucking big reason for this.

The people who do know who they are are people who can do something about it and watch these people, that being said. If I hear about them doing this shit again to anybody else, I WILL name drop them.[/quote]
Dashner.[/quote]
https://twitter.com/uberchain/status/1026205810823639040

Reminder that this didn't just happen with Console, it's a repeated behavior
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#74
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it makes me sick to my stomach that you had to go through this

we love you console.

it makes me sick to my stomach that you had to go through this

we love you console.
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#75
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Speiszlet's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.

Fully fully on board

After uberchain, we all believed it couldn't happen again.

We were fooled. It happened again. And it could happen again.

EDIT: Word to the wise.. if you're looking at legal action/consequences.. PLEASE pursue them if possible. Last time, his plan was "Lay low until people forget, then work again." It's hard to believe he's learning any lesson. Last time, after the uberchain thread, he came to me in PM saying he was going to be pursuing legal action against her - that is to say.. his immediate reaction was to double down

[quote=Speisz]let's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.[/quote]

Fully fully on board

After uberchain, we all believed it couldn't happen again.

We were fooled. It happened again. And it could happen again.

EDIT: Word to the wise.. if you're looking at legal action/consequences.. PLEASE pursue them if possible. Last time, his plan was "Lay low until people forget, then work again." It's hard to believe he's learning any lesson. Last time, after the uberchain thread, he came to me in PM saying he was going to be [b]pursuing legal action against her[/b] - that is to say.. his immediate reaction was to double down
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#76
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DiscorduberchainuberchainIf there is a reason I have not name dropped these people here just yet then believe me when I tell you there is a very fucking big reason for this.

The people who do know who they are are people who can do something about it and watch these people, that being said. If I hear about them doing this shit again to anybody else, I WILL name drop them.
Dashner.
https://twitter.com/uberchain/status/1026205810823639040

Reminder that this didn't just happen with Console, it's a repeated behavior

real detective work right here ^

[quote=Discord][quote=uberchain][quote=uberchain]If there is a reason I have not name dropped these people here just yet then believe me when I tell you there is a very fucking big reason for this.

The people who do know who they are are people who can do something about it and watch these people, that being said. If I hear about them doing this shit again to anybody else, I WILL name drop them.[/quote]
Dashner.[/quote]
https://twitter.com/uberchain/status/1026205810823639040

Reminder that this didn't just happen with Console, it's a repeated behavior[/quote] real detective work right here ^
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#77
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Admirable courage to come out with this, let's take the fucking trash out now. Please never let any of the people involved with BTS TF2 ever touch any tf2 related event ever again, this whole thing has cost players nerves and THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, on top of other staff knowing of dashners conduct and still tolerating it without speaking out.

Admirable courage to come out with this, let's take the fucking trash out now. Please never let any of the people involved with BTS TF2 ever touch any tf2 related event ever again, this whole thing has cost players nerves and THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, on top of other staff knowing of dashners conduct and still tolerating it without speaking out.
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#78
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I'm really sorry you had to go through all of this Console, it's just unimaginable for me but we appreciate your effort in acknowledging all of these unfortunate events in your life and sharing them here. I really hope you find the strenght to fully get over this, and I wish you the best of lucks

I'm really sorry you had to go through all of this Console, it's just unimaginable for me but we appreciate your effort in acknowledging all of these unfortunate events in your life and sharing them here. I really hope you find the strenght to fully get over this, and I wish you the best of lucks
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#79
122 Frags +

I'm having a really hard time typing my side out because I do want to clarify and expand a lot of my original post from last year since some of it called out wasn't just Dashner, and point out which parts he was responsible for.

For two years I just thought it'd be best to keep my mouth shut to make TF2 continue, to make sure good production quality was guaranteed or esports hookups or Ready Up. Then he almost got picked up for CPG19. And then was picked up officially for BTSTF2. And then he did this to somebody else, and it took Console telling me initially "I don't want to ruin TF2" that made me realize - this has to stop.

This is why we need to break this cycle in the old era of production. Because the idea that we can't talk about this, because people like Dashner were necessary somehow to make sure LANs kept happening, or people like all of froyotech's players were necessary to convince them to go, to make sure we keep having LANs to see the people we love or continue good competition, has warped our idea of what we need to sacrifice or put in to produce TF2. This isn't it. This was never it.

Because of Dashner being very good at the manipulation game for not only his partners but his friends and co-workers, I don't know for certain how much he convinced Sami or anybody else on BTS staff to believe him and that I was the liar. If that was the case, I'm willing to understand that, but fuck, I wish you guys had listened to me when I told you his behaviour should not continue to be enabled. We don't need him anymore in TF2. We never needed him after i58.

I never thought this day would be able to come reasonably, but it has, and worst of all, it's not from me. I'm sorry to the community for contributing to the silence in my own fear, allowing this to have continued to this point. I'm so sorry he did this to you, Console. I'm so sorry it wasn't just me.

I'm having a really hard time typing my side out because I do want to clarify and expand a lot of my original post from last year since some of it called out wasn't just Dashner, and point out which parts he was responsible for.

For two years I just thought it'd be best to keep my mouth shut to make TF2 continue, to make sure good production quality was guaranteed or esports hookups or Ready Up. Then he almost got picked up for CPG19. And then was picked up officially for BTSTF2. And then he did this to somebody else, and it took Console telling me initially "I don't want to ruin TF2" that made me realize - this has to stop.

This is why we need to break this cycle in the old era of production. Because the idea that we can't talk about this, because people like Dashner were necessary somehow to make sure LANs kept happening, or people like all of froyotech's players were necessary to convince them to go, to make sure we keep having LANs to see the people we love or continue good competition, has warped our idea of what we need to sacrifice or put in to produce TF2. This isn't it. This was never it.

Because of Dashner being very good at the manipulation game for not only his partners but his friends and co-workers, I don't know for certain how much he convinced Sami or anybody else on BTS staff to believe him and that I was the liar. If that was the case, I'm willing to understand that, but fuck, I wish you guys had listened to me when I told you his behaviour should not continue to be enabled. We don't need him anymore in TF2. We never needed him after i58.

I never thought this day would be able to come reasonably, but it has, and worst of all, it's not from me. I'm sorry to the community for contributing to the silence in my own fear, allowing this to have continued to this point. I'm so sorry he did this to you, Console. I'm so sorry it wasn't just me.
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#80
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it still says that dashner has 950+ posts on tftv even tho they're deleted. is it possible for an admin/enigma to recover these for the sake of console's court case?

it still says that dashner has 950+ posts on tftv even tho they're deleted. is it possible for an admin/enigma to recover these for the sake of console's court case?
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#81
20 Frags +
GetawhaleSpeiszlet's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.
Fully fully on board

After uberchain, we all believed it couldn't happen again.

We were fooled. It happened again. And it could happen again.

he shouldnt have had any entry back into tf2. the fact that people after being out'd still him let back in stuns me

[quote=Getawhale][quote=Speisz]let's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.[/quote]

Fully fully on board

After uberchain, we all believed it couldn't happen again.

We were fooled. It happened again. And it could happen again.[/quote]
he shouldnt have had any entry back into tf2. the fact that people after being out'd still him let back in stuns me
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#82
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plunkGetawhaleSpeiszlet's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.
Fully fully on board

After uberchain, we all believed it couldn't happen again.

We were fooled. It happened again. And it could happen again.
he shouldnt have had any entry back into tf2. the fact that people after being out'd still him let back in stuns me

He really shouldn't and now we should make sure that he won't have entry to anything after this. He did this to console and uberchain, if he's not fully called out and stopped now with how manipulative he can be, then when?

[quote=plunk][quote=Getawhale][quote=Speisz]let's send some this thread and email the blast team and waveform. get this fucking scum outed and dragged under.[/quote]

Fully fully on board

After uberchain, we all believed it couldn't happen again.

We were fooled. It happened again. And it could happen again.[/quote]
he shouldnt have had any entry back into tf2. the fact that people after being out'd still him let back in stuns me[/quote]
He really shouldn't and now we should make sure that he won't have entry to anything after this. He did this to console and uberchain, if he's not fully called out and stopped now with how manipulative he can be, then when?
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#83
15 Frags +
DiscordCan we ban the trolls in this thread please

I don't know who the genericusername guy is but this guy:

https://www.teamfortress.tv/user/the_playa

is someone named "sane"

[quote=Discord]Can we ban the trolls in this thread please[/quote]

I don't know who the genericusername guy is but this guy:

https://www.teamfortress.tv/user/the_playa

is someone named "sane"
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#84
-13 Frags +

sigafoo doesnt seem so bad now huh

sigafoo doesnt seem so bad now huh
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#85
52 Frags +
uberchainI'm having a really hard time typing my side out because I do want to clarify and expand a lot of my original post from last year since some of it called out wasn't just Dashner, and point out which parts he was responsible for.

If more people are involved why aren't you name dropping them, if there are more rapists and pedos in the community why are you NOT exposing them???

[quote=uberchain]I'm having a really hard time typing my side out because I do want to clarify and expand a lot of my original post from last year since some of it called out wasn't just Dashner, and point out which parts he was responsible for.

[/quote] If more people are involved why aren't you name dropping them, if there are more rapists and pedos in the community why are you NOT exposing them???
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#86
Essentials.tf
26 Frags +

This should be a wake up call for all of us. No one should feel like they have power over someone else due to their perceived worth in the Community. People were scared to talk because of his value in production, but we can always get new people willing to learn. Keeping people like this in the scene out of necessity is a disgusting premise but its a lot easier for us to just block out the noise rather than approach the problem head on.

We need to make it known that we do not tolerate this behaviour in any capacity; from off putting comments, to groping and sexual assault. Victims should not suffer in silence.

This should be a wake up call for all of us. No one should feel like they have power over someone else due to their perceived worth in the Community. People were scared to talk because of his value in production, but we can always get new people willing to learn. Keeping people like this in the scene out of necessity is a disgusting premise but its a lot easier for us to just block out the noise rather than approach the problem head on.

We need to make it known that we do not tolerate this behaviour in any capacity; from off putting comments, to groping and sexual assault. Victims should not suffer in silence.
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#87
15 Frags +

For legal reasons I have decided to take down my post and all following posts.

For legal reasons I have decided to take down my post and all following posts.
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#88
4 Frags +
Jameswarshttps://i.imgur.com/Q0GPUCT.png

was not an e relationship. console was traveling to canada after extensive pressure from dashner monthly, if not more often.

[quote=Jameswars][img]https://i.imgur.com/Q0GPUCT.png[/img][/quote]
was not an e relationship. console was traveling to canada after extensive pressure from dashner monthly, if not more often.
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#89
2 Frags +

Damn I was looking forward to jamming with you, I am extremely sorry you had that happen to you

Damn I was looking forward to jamming with you, I am extremely sorry you had that happen to you
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#90
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For legal reasons I have decided to take down my post and all following posts.

For legal reasons I have decided to take down my post and all following posts.
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