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The shots and music were really amazing in this episode and I really enjoyed that part. Everything else was really poor. The incredibly thick plot armour some of the main characters had was insane, I get that you can't kill everyone but having them in these 100% death scenarios then somehow just fucking tanking through everything is insane. I'm pretty sure a number of the characters got bitten and stuff.

There was a few good moments like how you started to see the fatigue of some of the soldiers, Greyworm looking like he's about to cough up a lung and then they were given the special Space Jam Special Stuff TM that allowed them all to just keep going forever.

The second part with the dead being re-risen was pretty monkaS but again, plot armour is just too thick so there wasn't any peril.

I didn't mind Aryas role too much, for once it's given her something interesting to do again, but the moment her, the hound and the red woman were in the library together and she just runs off it was incredibly obvious what she was going to do.

The NK is probably the biggest disappointment, do note that he's not even in the books in this capacity and I think he's actually a Stark that banged some blue chick or something?

And the other part being the NK like NEVER took part in the fight, or even went down until the fight was won, he always stayed back with his boys and just watched from distance a part from to throw a spear or raise more dead. This time he goes down, without even using his boys and just gambles everything on killing Bran faster? Like waiting until the battle is completely over is fine. They were 100% winning the battle, the wights don't get tired or anything and he just swaggers in and then gets one tapped.

Very mixed feelings, the music and the visuals were stunning but the more I think about it the more I hate how the story has just tanked giga hard.

[spoiler]The shots and music were really amazing in this episode and I really enjoyed that part. Everything else was really poor. The incredibly thick plot armour some of the main characters had was insane, I get that you can't kill everyone but having them in these 100% death scenarios then somehow just fucking tanking through everything is insane. I'm pretty sure a number of the characters got bitten and stuff.

There was a few good moments like how you started to see the fatigue of some of the soldiers, Greyworm looking like he's about to cough up a lung and then they were given the special Space Jam Special Stuff TM that allowed them all to just keep going forever.

The second part with the dead being re-risen was pretty monkaS but again, plot armour is just too thick so there wasn't any peril.

I didn't mind Aryas role too much, for once it's given her something interesting to do again, but the moment her, the hound and the red woman were in the library together and she just runs off it was incredibly obvious what she was going to do.

The NK is probably the biggest disappointment, do note that he's not even in the books in this capacity and I think he's actually a Stark that banged some blue chick or something?

And the other part being the NK like NEVER took part in the fight, or even went down until the fight was won, he always stayed back with his boys and just watched from distance a part from to throw a spear or raise more dead. This time he goes down, without even using his boys and just gambles everything on killing Bran faster? Like waiting until the battle is completely over is fine. They were 100% winning the battle, the wights don't get tired or anything and he just swaggers in and then gets one tapped.
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Very mixed feelings, the music and the visuals were stunning but the more I think about it the more I hate how the story has just tanked giga hard.
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#92
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Everything on my mind was basically mentioned already except for one thing: Why did Theon not try to throw his spear at the Night King instead of charging through all the undead? Literally if the NK wanted Theon wouldn't even get close, he was just toying. Also would have been cool if Theon feigned rushing with the spear to throw it and kill one of the white walkers, maybe not the Night King. It would also be kind of ironic that someone would throw a spear at NK as he himself is such savant in spear throwing.

Everything on my mind was basically mentioned already except for one thing: Why did Theon not try to throw his spear at the Night King instead of charging through all the undead? Literally if the NK wanted Theon wouldn't even get close, he was just toying. Also would have been cool if Theon feigned rushing with the spear to throw it and kill one of the white walkers, maybe not the Night King. It would also be kind of ironic that someone would throw a spear at NK as he himself is such savant in spear throwing.
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#93
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nimbyCan anyone explain why the plan consisted of fighting the undead army in front of Winterfell instead of just holding the city walls initially? I feel like that would of made lighting the trench much easier as well. I understand that their plan was to lure the night king to Bran but that makes the makes the entire battle before the night king made it to Bran feel so pointless. Was the battle outside Winterfell, the following retreat to Winterfell, and the subsequent undead swarm and breach of Winterfell somehow supposed to lead the night king to Bran?

There are so many ways the fight could of been done to be not be ridiculously dumb. If you want to effectively buy time just light the trench beforehand with the dragons and hold the walls with the entire army. Instead of sacrificing all of your Calvary right at the beginning of the battle maybe use them to send a strike force while the undead are focused on the city walls to kill the night king? I think calvary leading a charge through the undead with dragons breathing fire to break a path open would of made for an awesome scene..

Lets just agree the setup was idiotic and leave it at that. As a hobby, I've studied ancient battle strategy for a few decades since highschool and things I seen in this episode were against even basic strategy.

---Cavalry charge was a complete waste. They should have been on the flanks of the castle ready to enter at a critical moment. Plus, what commander is going to do a cavalry charge into complete darkness without knowing what is in front of them.

---Should have been a minimum of 2 trenches IN FRONT of the defending troops. Again, Moats/Trenches were typical standard strategy ahead of invaders.

---Catapult/treb placement might have been the dumbest thing I saw in this video. They should have some of them INSIDE the castle walls to rain down fire for the whole battle.

--During a Castle siege, the defenders should have been pouring flammable oil from the walls/towers. We know they had this in GoT if you remember a few seasons ago, Bronn being told they had "500 barrels", he replied "get 500 more"

I'm sure I can think of more if I rewatch but just looking at the map, Winterfell is a poorly designed castle for a siege. I see no inner defensive walls for the defenders if the main walls are breached. This was pretty standard for a castle.

[quote=nimby]Can anyone explain why the plan consisted of fighting the undead army in front of Winterfell instead of just holding the city walls initially? I feel like that would of made lighting the trench much easier as well. I understand that their plan was to lure the night king to Bran but that makes the makes the entire battle before the night king made it to Bran feel so pointless. Was the battle outside Winterfell, the following retreat to Winterfell, and the subsequent undead swarm and breach of Winterfell somehow supposed to lead the night king to Bran?

There are so many ways the fight could of been done to be not be ridiculously dumb. If you want to effectively buy time just light the trench beforehand with the dragons and hold the walls with the entire army. Instead of sacrificing all of your Calvary right at the beginning of the battle maybe use them to send a strike force while the undead are focused on the city walls to kill the night king? I think calvary leading a charge through the undead with dragons breathing fire to break a path open would of made for an awesome scene..[/quote]

Lets just agree the setup was idiotic and leave it at that. As a hobby, I've studied ancient battle strategy for a few decades since highschool and things I seen in this episode were against even basic strategy.

---Cavalry charge was a complete waste. They should have been on the flanks of the castle ready to enter at a critical moment. Plus, what commander is going to do a cavalry charge into complete darkness without knowing what is in front of them.

---Should have been a minimum of 2 trenches IN FRONT of the defending troops. Again, Moats/Trenches were typical standard strategy ahead of invaders.

---Catapult/treb placement might have been the dumbest thing I saw in this video. They should have some of them INSIDE the castle walls to rain down fire for the whole battle.

--During a Castle siege, the defenders should have been pouring flammable oil from the walls/towers. We know they had this in GoT if you remember a few seasons ago, Bronn being told they had "500 barrels", he replied "get 500 more"

I'm sure I can think of more if I rewatch but just looking at the map, Winterfell is a poorly designed castle for a siege. I see no inner defensive walls for the defenders if the main walls are breached. This was pretty standard for a castle.
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Was a load of bollocks and loads of deus ex machina, but entertaining enough I suppose.

The undead are lethal killers except when confronted with anyone the story cares about it seems.

Hope we get some info on the night king otherwise its all for nothing.

Was a load of bollocks and loads of deus ex machina, but entertaining enough I suppose.

The undead are lethal killers except when confronted with anyone the story cares about it seems.

Hope we get some info on the night king otherwise its all for nothing.
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#95
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dempseyfeel like the show has really moved away from its roots at a basic level. Atleast before I'd describe GoT as a "realistic fantasy show", meaning it's set in a fantasy world but still rooted and confined to some general realism. Some of the stuff in the latest episode I feel was worse than ever before tbh
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Dany+Jon flying well above the cloud layer and not struggling to breathe or anything? Felt definitely like the people designing the shots for this episode decided "hey, this would be a cool shot, let's do it"

The undead seem to go between fucking braindead and emotional at the whim of the show's needs: Sometimes they clog up a doorway cause they're all too bloodthirsty too wait, other times they lift a little girl right up to their eye so she can stab them (seriously wtf was that)

then arya's scenes in the library were overall nice, but who the fuck hears the blood dripping like that. I always assumed the undead were around human or even below human level skills, so less mobile/perceptive/thinking etc etc. but apparently they can hear some blood dripping in a room where people are dragging swords along the floor and shit?

I agree with you iaeuouierlaith

Plot, strong characters and witty dialogue were the key to GOTs original quality. A fantasy world was just the setting and allowed for interesting idiosyncrasies. Fantasy wank for the sake of it is sort of where it is now.

Now this arc has fucked off, hopefully we get more of the original kinda stuff, but I fear another assault on Kings landing is where it will lead to.

[quote=dempsey]feel like the show has really moved away from its roots at a basic level. Atleast before I'd describe GoT as a "realistic fantasy show", meaning it's set in a fantasy world but still rooted and confined to some general realism. Some of the stuff in the latest episode I feel was worse than ever before tbh

[spoiler]Dany+Jon flying well above the cloud layer and not struggling to breathe or anything? Felt definitely like the people designing the shots for this episode decided "hey, this would be a cool shot, let's do it"

The undead seem to go between fucking braindead and emotional at the whim of the show's needs: Sometimes they clog up a doorway cause they're all too bloodthirsty too wait, other times they lift a little girl right up to their eye so she can stab them (seriously wtf was that)

then arya's scenes in the library were overall nice, but who the fuck hears the blood dripping like that. I always assumed the undead were around human or even below human level skills, so less mobile/perceptive/thinking etc etc. but apparently they can hear some blood dripping in a room where people are dragging swords along the floor and shit?[/spoiler][/quote]

I agree with you iaeuouierlaith

Plot, strong characters and witty dialogue were the key to GOTs original quality. A fantasy world was just the setting and allowed for interesting idiosyncrasies. Fantasy wank for the sake of it is sort of where it is now.

Now this arc has fucked off, hopefully we get more of the original kinda stuff, but I fear another assault on Kings landing is where it will lead to.
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CollaideEverything on my mind was basically mentioned already except for one thing: Why did Theon not try to throw his spear at the Night King instead of charging through all the undead? Literally if the NK wanted Theon wouldn't even get close, he was just toying. Also would have been cool if Theon feigned rushing with the spear to throw it and kill one of the white walkers, maybe not the Night King. It would also be kind of ironic that someone would throw a spear at NK as he himself is such savant in spear throwing.Because charging directly at the Night King and dying by his hand completes Theon's character arc. Theon's character is known to be cowardly, not that anyone can really blame him after all he's been through. He wants to redeem himself. He knows he's already dead so he does what he can and just charges head on. He literally bailed on his sister not too long ago. Sure he ended up coming back to save her, but there was no guarantee that Euron wouldn't have just killed her immediately. Theon pussyfooting around, throwing spears and whatnot not only eats up screentime but also diminishes the impact of his death.

Alot of the criticisms around this episode are just practical vs theatrical complaints. Yes some are valid but it's also a tv show that is meant to be ecourage drama.

[spoiler][quote=Collaide]Everything on my mind was basically mentioned already except for one thing: Why did Theon not try to throw his spear at the Night King instead of charging through all the undead? Literally if the NK wanted Theon wouldn't even get close, he was just toying. Also would have been cool if Theon feigned rushing with the spear to throw it and kill one of the white walkers, maybe not the Night King. It would also be kind of ironic that someone would throw a spear at NK as he himself is such savant in spear throwing.[/quote]
Because charging directly at the Night King and dying by his hand completes Theon's character arc. Theon's character is known to be cowardly, not that anyone can really blame him after all he's been through. He wants to redeem himself. He knows he's already dead so he does what he can and just charges head on. He literally bailed on his sister not too long ago. Sure he ended up coming back to save her, but there was no guarantee that Euron wouldn't have just killed her immediately. Theon pussyfooting around, throwing spears and whatnot not only eats up screentime but also diminishes the impact of his death. [/spoiler]

Alot of the criticisms around this episode are just practical vs theatrical complaints. Yes some are valid but it's also a tv show that is meant to be ecourage drama.
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This wasn't a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina is a character or plot device thrust out of nowhere that magically resolves an unresolvable storyline.

OK, yes, Arya "came from nowhere" in a very very *literal* sense in that she appeared from off-camera without anybody noticing. But this was nothing more than the directors choice: people out-of-shot going unnoticed is a very common technique used to excellent effect regularly (eg: The Good the Bad and the Ugly). It worked here because it saved the final reveal for the very last moments. If we'd had a 30-second sequence of Arya sneaking into the Godswood after her chat with Melisandre, and then chilling out for 15 minutes watching the Ironborn die and waiting for the Night King, and then a final sprint past white walkers to the Nights King, it would have been a lot less dramatic than the scene we got.

From a thematic, storytelling perspective, Arya Stark was not thrust out of nowhere. Not at all. She has been here from season 1, and she has spent the last 7 seasons becoming a killer. This is about as un-deus ex machina as it can get. A magic prophesy-dude being born amid salt and smoke with a flaming sword and having an omg epic duel WOULD have been deus ex machina. This wasn't. This was much, much better.

Infact, the whole Arya in Braavos arc that I complained about at the time actually makes sense now, if you make the assumption that the Faceless Men used their spooky magic and/or "solved" the cryptic prophecies and knew Arya was the warrior to defeat the Nights King all along. It explains why they spent all that time training her but just seemed totally cool with her not following orders and then bailing and remaining Arya Stark. It explains why Jacquen crossed paths with her in the first place (he wasn't on a secret mission and just stumbled across Arya, he was on a secret mission to recruit Arya). Maybe even Syrio was involved, kickstarting Arya's training as soon as they realised what was up ("What do we say to the God of death?").

So it's absolutely fine if you didn't particularly like this ending, but it was absolutely NOT deus ex machina.

I liked it though. All the backstory included, the build up, and it turns out he was just a magic dude with a grudge. He stopped to gloat, and it got him killed. Just like Oberyn.

If what you wanted was an "unbeatable baddie goes up against magic hero good vs evil epic final battle" y'all not been paying attention. There is no Sauron or Thanos in this series. Just people, with people's flaws. And the Nights King was just a person. A person cursed by powerful magic 10,000 years ago. A person with immense power. The power to control the weather, to noscope dragons, to raise the dead. But still just a person. A person who stopped to gloat, who in his pride at the moment of his revenge on humanity, stopped to eyefuck Bran for a few seconds, and it got him killed.

I think this is very Game of Thrones, very legal, and very cool.

This wasn't a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina is a character or plot device thrust out of nowhere that magically resolves an unresolvable storyline.

OK, yes, Arya "came from nowhere" in a very very *literal* sense in that she appeared from off-camera without anybody noticing. But this was nothing more than the directors choice: people out-of-shot going unnoticed is a very common technique used to excellent effect regularly (eg: The Good the Bad and the Ugly). It worked here because it saved the final reveal for the very last moments. If we'd had a 30-second sequence of Arya sneaking into the Godswood after her chat with Melisandre, and then chilling out for 15 minutes watching the Ironborn die and waiting for the Night King, and then a final sprint past white walkers to the Nights King, it would have been a lot less dramatic than the scene we got.

From a thematic, storytelling perspective, Arya Stark was not thrust out of nowhere. Not at all. She has been here from season 1, and she has spent the last 7 seasons becoming a killer. This is about as un-deus ex machina as it can get. A magic prophesy-dude being born amid salt and smoke with a flaming sword and having an omg epic duel WOULD have been deus ex machina. This wasn't. This was much, much better.

Infact, the whole Arya in Braavos arc that I complained about at the time actually makes sense now, if you make the assumption that the Faceless Men used their spooky magic and/or "solved" the cryptic prophecies and knew Arya was the warrior to defeat the Nights King all along. It explains why they spent all that time training her but just seemed totally cool with her not following orders and then bailing and remaining Arya Stark. It explains why Jacquen crossed paths with her in the first place (he wasn't on a secret mission and just stumbled across Arya, he was on a secret mission to [i]recruit[/i] Arya). Maybe even Syrio was involved, kickstarting Arya's training as soon as they realised what was up ("What do we say to the God of death?").

So it's absolutely fine if you didn't particularly [i]like[/i] this ending, but it was absolutely NOT deus ex machina.

I liked it though. All the backstory included, the build up, and it turns out he was just a magic dude with a grudge. He stopped to gloat, and it got him killed. Just like Oberyn.

If what you wanted was an "unbeatable baddie goes up against magic hero good vs evil epic final battle" y'all not been paying attention. There is no Sauron or Thanos in this series. Just people, with people's flaws. And the Nights King was just a person. A person cursed by powerful magic 10,000 years ago. A person with immense power. The power to control the weather, to noscope dragons, to raise the dead. But still just a person. A person who stopped to gloat, who in his pride at the moment of his revenge on humanity, stopped to eyefuck Bran for a few seconds, and it got him killed.

I think this is very Game of Thrones, very legal, and very cool.
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Returning for a second nerd essay on the military tactics as I'm a big war history nerd:

I think a lot of people are forgetting the sheer numbers of people involved when they criticise them for not just defending behind the walls. In the opening episodes we see a ton of people camped outside Winterfell and from the scraps of information we get the army at their disposal seems to be around 40,000. This is far more people than you need to defend Winterfell, they simply wouldnt fit on the walls and a lot of them would just die in the crush if you try to deploy them all in the yards.

With that in mind, a couple of things I've seen questioned actually make sense. Deploying your unsullied out in front of the gates is one. This is absolutely what I would do (although I would deploy another phalanx just inside the gates to defend it when breached). Not only are they defending the weak point that is the gate and gatehouse, but they are going to fight to their maximum potential in phalanx formation in open unbroken ground. Let the dead pile up infront of their shield wall and leave your archers and melee fighters defending the walls.

The charge of the Dothraki was also fine, tactically speaking. In a battle like that you need to keep formation, defend the gates and keep them away from the walls as long as you can to allow your archers on the walls to do as much potential damage as they can.
If you try to have mounted Dothraki participate in that fight all it will do is disrupt your formation. You would get panicked horses crashing into your own men, and gaps opening in your lines as the Dothraki move about, both of which are extremely no bueno.
With that in mind you really only have 3 ways to use the Dothraki: 1. tell them to dismount and defend the walls (which wastes their shock cavalry potential and probably pisses them off), 2. send them off away from the siege so they can fight numerous smaller engagements on the perimeter where they can bring their numbers to bear in detail, or 3. charge them at the opening of the battle and hope to inflict as many casualties as possible in a blaze of glory. I would probably have gone for option 2 but they went for option 3 which is fine. Yes they all died but they probably killed 5 wights for every dead Dothraki.

As for the stuff that genuinely was dumb:

Yes fighting in front of the trench was retarded. Maybe they were planning on digging 2 trenches, fighting behind the first and then falling back behind the 2nd, but ran out of time to dig? Even still, they should have just said "ok lads guess we fight behind just one trench."

The trebuchets should have been firing continuously until overran, not just once, and a couple of them should have been inside the castle lobbing stuff over the walls.

Also, no ballista? Seriously, the Night King is coming on an undead dragon and nobody thought to make a few dragonglass-tipped ballistae and point them upwards?

Not raining arrows on the wights as they stood there just behind the trench made zero sense. Not using burning oil/ tar etc to defend the walls was also dumb.

The walls should also have been reinforced by reserves. Scrap the guys on either flank of the unsullied phalanx, (one of those flanks was commanded by Brienne I think). If you curve the phalanx against the wall in a ( or [ formation then you dont need these loose formations of infantry on the wings. Have them inside the castle in the courtyard ready to rush to whichever stretch of wall is in danger of being overrun.

Overall I think strategy-wise this battle was OK. This wasn't exactly Julius Caesar levels of siege warfare but their approach wasn't as bad as as a lot of people seem to think. I give whoever was in charge of deployment (Jon? Jorah?) a B-. It was way, way better than the Battle of the Bastards which was just honestly a series of massive blunders one after the other.

Returning for a second nerd essay on the military tactics as I'm a big war history nerd:

I think a lot of people are forgetting the sheer numbers of people involved when they criticise them for not just defending behind the walls. In the opening episodes we see a ton of people camped outside Winterfell and from the scraps of information we get the army at their disposal seems to be around 40,000. This is far more people than you need to defend Winterfell, they simply wouldnt fit on the walls and a lot of them would just die in the crush if you try to deploy them all in the yards.

With that in mind, a couple of things I've seen questioned actually make sense. Deploying your unsullied out in front of the gates is one. This is absolutely what I would do (although I would deploy another phalanx just inside the gates to defend it when breached). Not only are they defending the weak point that is the gate and gatehouse, but they are going to fight to their maximum potential in phalanx formation in open unbroken ground. Let the dead pile up infront of their shield wall and leave your archers and melee fighters defending the walls.

The charge of the Dothraki was also fine, tactically speaking. In a battle like that you need to keep formation, defend the gates and keep them away from the walls as long as you can to allow your archers on the walls to do as much potential damage as they can.
If you try to have mounted Dothraki participate in that fight all it will do is disrupt your formation. You would get panicked horses crashing into your own men, and gaps opening in your lines as the Dothraki move about, both of which are extremely no bueno.
With that in mind you really only have 3 ways to use the Dothraki: 1. tell them to dismount and defend the walls (which wastes their shock cavalry potential and probably pisses them off), 2. send them off away from the siege so they can fight numerous smaller engagements on the perimeter where they can bring their numbers to bear in detail, or 3. charge them at the opening of the battle and hope to inflict as many casualties as possible in a blaze of glory. I would probably have gone for option 2 but they went for option 3 which is fine. Yes they all died but they probably killed 5 wights for every dead Dothraki.

As for the stuff that genuinely was dumb:

Yes fighting in front of the trench was retarded. Maybe they were planning on digging 2 trenches, fighting behind the first and then falling back behind the 2nd, but ran out of time to dig? Even still, they should have just said "ok lads guess we fight behind just one trench."

The trebuchets should have been firing continuously until overran, not just once, and a couple of them should have been inside the castle lobbing stuff over the walls.

Also, no ballista? Seriously, the Night King is coming on an undead dragon and nobody thought to make a few dragonglass-tipped ballistae and point them upwards?

Not raining arrows on the wights as they stood there just behind the trench made zero sense. Not using burning oil/ tar etc to defend the walls was also dumb.

The walls should also have been reinforced by reserves. Scrap the guys on either flank of the unsullied phalanx, (one of those flanks was commanded by Brienne I think). If you curve the phalanx against the wall in a ( or [ formation then you dont need these loose formations of infantry on the wings. Have them inside the castle in the courtyard ready to rush to whichever stretch of wall is in danger of being overrun.

Overall I think strategy-wise this battle was OK. This wasn't exactly Julius Caesar levels of siege warfare but their approach wasn't as bad as as a lot of people seem to think. I give whoever was in charge of deployment (Jon? Jorah?) a B-. It was way, way better than the Battle of the Bastards which was just honestly a series of massive blunders one after the other.
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BarryChuckleAlso, no ballista? Seriously, the Night King is coming on an undead dragon and nobody thought to make a few dragonglass-tipped ballistae and point them upwards?

I think it was mentioned earlier in the show that ballista were pretty much not invented, because the one shown to Cersei was the first of its kind, and that tech stayed with her army even though Jaime fled. Considering the amount of time they had to reinforce being very little, it would be a small stretch to say they had enough time to reverse engineer and reconstruct the one they saw hurt Drogon only a week before. Not to mention, Drogon immediately destroyed that ballista and it's the first and only time they would have seen it, so they've got nothing to work with.

[quote=BarryChuckle]Also, no ballista? Seriously, the Night King is coming on an undead dragon and nobody thought to make a few dragonglass-tipped ballistae and point them upwards?[/quote]

I think it was mentioned earlier in the show that ballista were pretty much not invented, because the one shown to Cersei was the first of its kind, and that tech stayed with her army even though Jaime fled. Considering the amount of time they had to reinforce being very little, it would be a small stretch to say they had enough time to reverse engineer and reconstruct the one they saw hurt Drogon only a week before. Not to mention, Drogon immediately destroyed that ballista and it's the first and only time they would have seen it, so they've got nothing to work with.
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#100
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It was absolutely deus ex machina. No two ways about it.

A character who has no previous interactions with the night king pops out of nowhere to (very unrealisticially) kill him purely to solve all the problems.

It was absolutely deus ex machina. No two ways about it.

A character who has no previous interactions with the night king pops out of nowhere to (very unrealisticially) kill him purely to solve all the problems.
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#101
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yohn linked this to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0 which really highlights just how many times they did the thing where the scene cuts away just before someone is clearly gonna die
I've had a week to consider this episode now and have only realised more and more just how much this ruined the show

can't wait to see what happens tonight ! ! 1 !

yohn linked this to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0 which really highlights just how many times they did the thing where the scene cuts away just before someone is clearly gonna die
I've had a week to consider this episode now and have only realised more and more just how much this ruined the show

can't wait to see what happens tonight ! ! 1 !
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Funsyohn linked this to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0 which really highlights just how many times they did the thing where the scene cuts away just before someone is clearly gonna die
I've had a week to consider this episode now and have only realised more and more just how much this ruined the show

can't wait to see what happens tonight ! ! 1 !

wtf I was expecting a gnome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY2jAnV5Fa4 this is also a good (albeit rather nerdy) drubbing of a lot of the nonsense that happened that episode.

[quote=Funs]yohn linked this to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0 which really highlights just how many times they did the thing where the scene cuts away just before someone is clearly gonna die
I've had a week to consider this episode now and have only realised more and more just how much this ruined the show

can't wait to see what happens tonight ! ! 1 ![/quote]
wtf I was expecting a gnome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY2jAnV5Fa4 this is also a good (albeit rather nerdy) drubbing of a lot of the nonsense that happened that episode.
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#103
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Overall meh

I thought the detail of having John look of camera, spot Arya, then stand up to distract the dragon, and shout go go go was a nice touch. Explains how she got past the dragon John couldn't

Overall meh

I thought the detail of having John look of camera, spot Arya, then stand up to distract the dragon, and shout go go go was a nice touch. Explains how she got past the dragon John couldn't
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#104
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lol

lol
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#105
7 Frags +

lol sick ep nice one writers real good stuff top notch love this show

lol sick ep nice one writers real good stuff top notch love this show
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#106
10 Frags +

well if we thought there were plotholes last time...

well if we thought there were plotholes last time...
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#107
16 Frags +

why wont he hug the dog

why wont he hug the dog
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#108
16 Frags +
Rikachuwhy wont he hug the dog

not in the budget

[quote=Rikachu]why wont he hug the dog[/quote]
not in the budget
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#109
14 Frags +

How did Dany not see any of the ballista ships from ages away despite being on a dragon? How did the ballistas all hit the first dragon from ages away despite being behind a rock and on a rocking ship? Why does Cersei, someone known for blowing up entire ancient holy sites to kill her enemies suddenly become all honourable and not just order her archers/ballistas to kill Dany and her army of like 50 men/dragon right there, ending the war and securing her rule? The dragon (her last one btw) was literally on the ground barely moving which probably wont happen again. Also lol at the starbucks cup in the feast scene.

How did Dany not see any of the ballista ships from ages away despite being on a dragon? How did the ballistas all hit the first dragon from ages away despite being behind a rock and on a rocking ship? Why does Cersei, someone known for blowing up entire ancient holy sites to kill her enemies suddenly become all honourable and not just order her archers/ballistas to kill Dany and her army of like 50 men/dragon right there, ending the war and securing her rule? The dragon (her last one btw) was literally on the ground barely moving which probably wont happen again. Also lol at the starbucks cup in the feast scene.
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#110
6 Frags +

Wtf happened to the outside of Kings Landing? It used to be houses, people and forestation before the walls and now its just a flat desert plain? I honestly could not tell the difference between this and Casterly Rock.

Wtf happened to the outside of Kings Landing? It used to be houses, people and forestation before the walls and now its just a flat desert plain? I honestly could not tell the difference between this and Casterly Rock.
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#111
7 Frags +

I like the convenient storm trooper aim of the ballista ships when the writers realised the last dragon's time hadn't come quite yet.
It's also funny how the most valuable hostage Cersei can take is Missandei, a translator who has been completely useless ever since they arrived in Westeros where there is nothing to translate.

I like the convenient storm trooper aim of the ballista ships when the writers realised the last dragon's time hadn't come quite yet.
It's also funny how the most valuable hostage Cersei can take is Missandei, a translator who has been completely useless ever since they arrived in Westeros where there is nothing to translate.
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#112
12 Frags +

https://i.redd.it/e7jsyxofyiw21.jpg

real by the way

[img]https://i.redd.it/e7jsyxofyiw21.jpg[/img]

real by the way
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#113
17 Frags +

Its impressive how lazy the writing has gotten this season.

"Dany just kind of forgot about the iron fleet"

Its impressive how lazy the writing has gotten this season.

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8K9XuPrXko&feature=youtu.be&t=350]"Dany just kind of forgot about the iron fleet"[/url]
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#114
1 Frags +

at this rate drogon will sit on the iron throne in the end

at this rate drogon will sit on the iron throne in the end
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#115
5 Frags +

as dumb as some of the episodes moments were i really like that theyre committing to this daenerys becoming a monster thing

i was scared they were gonna just have jon and dany take the iron throne and everyone lives happily ever after

as dumb as some of the episodes moments were i really like that theyre committing to this daenerys becoming a monster thing

i was scared they were gonna just have jon and dany take the iron throne and everyone lives happily ever after
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#116
4 Frags +

Credit where credit's due, the first few seasons were stunningly good, and what's more an almost perfect adaptation of the books (which, when I read them, seemed unadaptable).

But now I get the feeling the show has got so wildly successful that nobody has the ability (or sees the need) to just tell D&D "that sucks" or "that's a plot hole" or "that doesn't make sense". Couple that with the fact they no longer have the framework of brilliant source material on which to build their narrative, and we get these two dudes with a relatively basic understanding of the books ("Gendry Rivers?" really?) who are just sat there writing all this fanfic-level garbage sniffing their own farts about how great it is.

The writing would really, really benefit from some oversight rather than "these guys did a great job before, leave them to it" attitude that seems to have enabled this fuckfest.

Credit where credit's due, the first few seasons were stunningly good, and what's more an almost perfect adaptation of the books (which, when I read them, seemed unadaptable).

But now I get the feeling the show has got so wildly successful that nobody has the ability (or sees the need) to just tell D&D "that sucks" or "that's a plot hole" or "that doesn't make sense". Couple that with the fact they no longer have the framework of brilliant source material on which to build their narrative, and we get these two dudes with a relatively basic understanding of the books ("Gendry Rivers?" really?) who are just sat there writing all this fanfic-level garbage sniffing their own farts about how great it is.

The writing would really, really benefit from some oversight rather than "these guys did a great job before, leave them to it" attitude that seems to have enabled this fuckfest.
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#117
6 Frags +
Funshttps://i.redd.it/e7jsyxofyiw21.jpg

real by the way

That is the sign of the new alliance of the north

Show Content
Starkbucks
[quote=Funs][img]https://i.redd.it/e7jsyxofyiw21.jpg[/img]

real by the way[/quote]
That is the sign of the new alliance of the north
[spoiler]Starkbucks[/spoiler]
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#118
14 Frags +

Why is MGE Mike airshotting dragons with fucking spears?
Did Dany pop a xanny before getting on Drogon and forgot about the fleet?
This episode made absolutely no sense

Why is MGE Mike airshotting dragons with fucking spears?
Did Dany pop a xanny before getting on Drogon and forgot about the fleet?
This episode made absolutely no sense
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#119
9 Frags +

by my calculations xanax would exist in those times if starbucks does so nevos theory is completely valid

by my calculations xanax would exist in those times if starbucks does so nevos theory is completely valid
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#120
0 Frags +
jamalWtf happened to the outside of Kings Landing? It used to be houses, people and forestation before the walls and now its just a flat desert plain? I honestly could not tell the difference between this and Casterly Rock.

climate change

[quote=jamal]Wtf happened to the outside of Kings Landing? It used to be houses, people and forestation before the walls and now its just a flat desert plain? I honestly could not tell the difference between this and Casterly Rock.[/quote]
climate change
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