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Ban Pred and Degu
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#181
-17 Frags +
adyskyyllenquite commendable how the 7 circlejerk has managed to shift this thread to dig up as much dirt as possible on "the bin", even leaking pms with admins. Were the enemies but i recall years ago the first time I saw thalash speak on us he came into papis stream chat and called us all "retarded idiots" with no context, also lick my large boot was nothing compared to stark saying

Red Starkie u guys are literal trash
Red Starkie honestly the worst players ive ever seen
Red Starkie you shouldnt be on the same server as me

Im pretty sure degu plays for bin blk and pred for the bin. Feel free to look at the thread title again.
Starks bm is incomparable with ratslayer saying gay virgin n***** kids during an official

"K! adysky kill urself my man"
mate?

[quote=adysky][quote=yllen]quite commendable how the 7 circlejerk has managed to shift this thread to dig up as much dirt as possible on "the bin", even leaking pms with admins. Were the enemies but i recall years ago the first time I saw thalash speak on us he came into papis stream chat and called us all "retarded idiots" with no context, also lick my large boot was nothing compared to stark saying

Red Starkie u guys are literal trash
Red Starkie honestly the worst players ive ever seen
Red Starkie you shouldnt be on the same server as me[/quote]

Im pretty sure degu plays for bin blk and pred for the bin. Feel free to look at the thread title again.
Starks bm is incomparable with ratslayer saying gay virgin n***** kids during an official[/quote]

"K! adysky kill urself my man"
mate?
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#182
8 Frags +
maelstrahmhey muuki kill yourself lol

When people can't discuss important things without retarded comments, someone please, close this thread.

[quote=maelstrahm]hey muuki kill yourself lol[/quote]

When people can't discuss important things without retarded comments, someone please, close this thread.
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#183
-5 Frags +

pred hasnt played since the start of the season, maybe 1 or 2 officials

pred hasnt played since the start of the season, maybe 1 or 2 officials
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#184
51 Frags +

condawg stop

condawg stop
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#185
-13 Frags +
condawg

http://www.teamfortress.tv/30955/shittalk-cfg-a-crowd-sourced-tf2-insult-generator

[quote=condawg][/quote]

http://www.teamfortress.tv/30955/shittalk-cfg-a-crowd-sourced-tf2-insult-generator
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#186
-3 Frags +
MattCVI have always been proud to say that the person you see in the game will be the person you see if you met me IRL. I have never been one of those people that have two personalities.

It is impossible to express your whole personality over a video game. At least I can't, but I never judge people according to what they say over the internet.

MattCVMy point is that trash talk is part of competitive environments, it helps to drive people. Adversity can be a good thing if it challenges you, if someone calls you shit in-game does it not motivate you to get better?

People usually call me bad because they lose, so no, it brings me a sense of satisfaction really. But I can see where the people who take this more personally come from. Obviously, this kind of behaviour should not be conducted, but in the same time people need to care less, or focus on their perception of themselves rather than others'. Both sides are faulty in one way or another

[quote=MattCV]
I have always been proud to say that the person you see in the game will be the person you see if you met me IRL. I have never been one of those people that have two personalities.
[/quote]
It is impossible to express your whole personality over a video game. At least I can't, but I never judge people according to what they say over the internet.

[quote=MattCV]
My point is that trash talk is part of competitive environments, it helps to drive people. Adversity can be a good thing if it challenges you, if someone calls you shit in-game does it not motivate you to get better?[/quote]
People usually call me bad because they lose, so no, it brings me a sense of satisfaction really. But I can see where the people who take this more personally come from. Obviously, this kind of behaviour should not be conducted, but in the same time people need to care less, or focus on their perception of themselves rather than others'. Both sides are faulty in one way or another
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#187
-6 Frags +
MuukiStuffedThis cycle of a shitstorm starting and then people forgetting about it and rinse and repeat would be so much easier to break if people knew not to be insensitive cunts or, at the very fucking least, be able to apologise and take responsibility when they do. A shame, because when this community decides not be aids, it can be really great.its funny because one of the guys apologized and one of them is working and doesnt have time to check this forum all the time unlike half of the people constantly posting

Very true, and i actually have more respect for degu, both because on the one hand, his "joke" wasn't really as bad and on the other, at least he's trying to take responsibility. I especially agree with the fact that these two are now the major villains despite this being a much larger issue. However, it honestly doesn't seem like he regrets it, which links back to this whole issue of stuff that should not be okay being seen as okay. As for Pred, i'm honestly willing to suspend judgement until he has his say, though it'll have to be a fucking magical say to talk himself out of this shitstorm.

[quote=Muuki][quote=Stuffed]This cycle of a shitstorm starting and then people forgetting about it and rinse and repeat would be so much easier to break if people knew not to be insensitive cunts or, at the very fucking least, be able to apologise and take responsibility when they do. A shame, because when this community decides not be aids, it can be really great.[/quote]
its funny because one of the guys apologized and one of them is working and doesnt have time to check this forum all the time unlike half of the people constantly posting[/quote]
Very true, and i actually have more respect for degu, both because on the one hand, his "joke" wasn't really as bad and on the other, at least he's trying to take responsibility. I especially agree with the fact that these two are now the major villains despite this being a much larger issue. However, it honestly doesn't seem like he regrets it, which links back to this whole issue of stuff that should not be okay being seen as okay. As for Pred, i'm honestly willing to suspend judgement until he has his say, though it'll have to be a fucking magical say to talk himself out of this shitstorm.
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#188
63 Frags +

It's not okay to tell people to kill themselves but in what universe do you live where it excuses the rampant racism your team is involved in? You're just trying to deflect blame from your teammates (unsuccessfully so).

It's not okay to tell people to kill themselves but in what universe do you live where it excuses the rampant racism your team is involved in? You're just trying to deflect blame from your teammates (unsuccessfully so).
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#189
3 Frags +
VisMattCVI have always been proud to say that the person you see in the game will be the person you see if you met me IRL. I have never been one of those people that have two personalities. It is impossible to express your whole personality over a video game. At least I can't, but I never judge people according to what they say over the internet.
MattCVMy point is that trash talk is part of competitive environments, it helps to drive people. Adversity can be a good thing if it challenges you, if someone calls you shit in-game does it not motivate you to get better?People usually call me bad because they lose, so no, it brings me a sense of satisfaction really. But I can see where the people who take this more personally come from. Obviously, this kind of behaviour should not be conducted, but in the same time people need to care less, or focus on their perception of themselves rather than others'. Both sides are faulty in one way or another

It shouldn't be conducted because you say so? and what do you mean you can't express your personality over the internet, do you mean you have a fake personality you use?

Just be who you are.

[quote=Vis][quote=MattCV]
I have always been proud to say that the person you see in the game will be the person you see if you met me IRL. I have never been one of those people that have two personalities.
[/quote]
It is impossible to express your whole personality over a video game. At least I can't, but I never judge people according to what they say over the internet.

[quote=MattCV]
My point is that trash talk is part of competitive environments, it helps to drive people. Adversity can be a good thing if it challenges you, if someone calls you shit in-game does it not motivate you to get better?[/quote]
People usually call me bad because they lose, so no, it brings me a sense of satisfaction really. But I can see where the people who take this more personally come from. Obviously, this kind of behaviour should not be conducted, but in the same time people need to care less, or focus on their perception of themselves rather than others'. Both sides are faulty in one way or another[/quote]


It shouldn't be conducted because you say so? and what do you mean you can't express your personality over the internet, do you mean you have a fake personality you use?

Just be who you are.
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#190
8 Frags +
Muukifunhaver1998Muuki why do you think your opinion on how she deals with sexual harrassment matters even a little bit? When was last time you even went outside and saw a woman?

Don't really get why virgin neets who hate their lives feel the right to tell others how to express themselves
18 upfrags and counting on such a quality post thats totally not offensive, thanks tftv sjw mob

telling people to kill themselves is ok but calling someone a tranny is a sin deserving of death sentence, never change

Didnt say kill yourself. Im saying facts.

Are you a neet? Yes. Vigin? Yes. Hate your life? Yes.

so what gives you a right to talk about a victim of sexual abuse

[quote=Muuki][quote=funhaver1998]Muuki why do you think your opinion on how she deals with sexual harrassment matters even a little bit? When was last time you even went outside and saw a woman?

Don't really get why virgin neets who hate their lives feel the right to tell others how to express themselves[/quote]
18 upfrags and counting on such a quality post thats totally not offensive, thanks tftv sjw mob

telling people to kill themselves is ok but calling someone a tranny is a sin deserving of death sentence, never change[/quote]

Didnt say kill yourself. Im saying facts.

Are you a neet? Yes. Vigin? Yes. Hate your life? Yes.

so what gives you a right to talk about a victim of sexual abuse
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#191
-2 Frags +

Ultimately this is meant to be a community, so people should act like it.

I don't think there should be no way back for people who act like Utter pricks, but you have to stamp that behaviour out collectively if you want anything to change.

Ultimately this is meant to be a community, so people should act like it.

I don't think there should be no way back for people who act like Utter pricks, but you have to stamp that behaviour out collectively if you want anything to change.
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#192
15 Frags +
StuffedVery true, and i actually have more respect for degu, both because on the one hand, his "joke" wasn't really as bad and on the other, at least he's trying to take responsibility. I especially agree with the fact that these two are now the major villains despite this being a much larger issue. However, it honestly doesn't seem like he regrets it, which links back to this whole issue of stuff that should not be okay being seen as okay. As for Pred, i'm honestly willing to suspend judgement until he has his say, though it'll have to be a fucking magical say to talk himself out of this shitstorm.

are you joking? his "apology" was just doubling down on the victim blaming and excuses

[quote=Stuffed]
Very true, and i actually have more respect for degu, both because on the one hand, his "joke" wasn't really as bad and on the other, at least he's trying to take responsibility. I especially agree with the fact that these two are now the major villains despite this being a much larger issue. However, it honestly doesn't seem like he regrets it, which links back to this whole issue of stuff that should not be okay being seen as okay. As for Pred, i'm honestly willing to suspend judgement until he has his say, though it'll have to be a fucking magical say to talk himself out of this shitstorm.[/quote]
are you joking? his "apology" was just doubling down on the victim blaming and excuses
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#193
whitelist.tf
34 Frags +
Thalash[..]is not the same as yllen from the bin black saying "I hate n******" in their game vs SVIFT that was casted on TFTV1. That's probably the most extreme example that was never punished by the admins. [..]

This is only one of the reasons ingame chat is hidden during casts; it can also result in a ban for the streamer!

I (without it being public knowledge) would like to know the names so I personally can make sure for all the casting orgs I work for that the harassers will never cast a game or get to appear in interviews on streams post-match or otherwise provide any platform for their hate-speech.

[quote=Thalash][..]is not the same as yllen from the bin black saying "I hate n******" in their game vs SVIFT that was casted on TFTV1. That's probably the most extreme example that was never punished by the admins. [..][/quote]
This is only one of the reasons ingame chat is hidden during casts; it can also result in a ban for the streamer!


I (without it being public knowledge) would like to know the names so I personally can make sure for all the casting orgs I work for that the harassers will never cast a game or get to appear in interviews on streams post-match or otherwise provide any platform for their hate-speech.
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#194
-21 Frags +
funhaver1998Muukifunhaver1998Muuki why do you think your opinion on how she deals with sexual harrassment matters even a little bit? When was last time you even went outside and saw a woman?

Don't really get why virgin neets who hate their lives feel the right to tell others how to express themselves
18 upfrags and counting on such a quality post thats totally not offensive, thanks tftv sjw mob

telling people to kill themselves is ok but calling someone a tranny is a sin deserving of death sentence, never change

Didnt say kill yourself. Im saying facts.

Are you a neet? Yes. Vigin? Yes. Hate your life? Yes.

so what gives you a right to talk about a victim of sexual abuse

stop typing virgin

[quote=funhaver1998][quote=Muuki][quote=funhaver1998]Muuki why do you think your opinion on how she deals with sexual harrassment matters even a little bit? When was last time you even went outside and saw a woman?

Don't really get why virgin neets who hate their lives feel the right to tell others how to express themselves[/quote]
18 upfrags and counting on such a quality post thats totally not offensive, thanks tftv sjw mob

telling people to kill themselves is ok but calling someone a tranny is a sin deserving of death sentence, never change[/quote]

Didnt say kill yourself. Im saying facts.

Are you a neet? Yes. Vigin? Yes. Hate your life? Yes.

so what gives you a right to talk about a victim of sexual abuse[/quote]

stop typing virgin
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#195
23 Frags +

i dont have a horse in this race in every sense of the word but the ongoing social phenomenon of 'this person did something disgusting so we must crucify them immediately' very rarely leads to any kind of progress or understanding between the offender and and offendee because of the defensive stance assumed by the former

all the dogpiling and high fiving over 'yeah man how could someBODy DO thAT loL?' further divides the parties with different opinions

please do not read this as me excusing or justifying what pred or degu said but ive yet to see this type of publicity work out with any progress being made in communities like this

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also wetf do euros even have to be racist about u all talk funny and have ur own country based circlejerks but come on thats basic shit ud yell at a football game right?
i dont have a horse in this race in every sense of the word but the ongoing social phenomenon of 'this person did something disgusting so we must crucify them immediately' very rarely leads to any kind of progress or understanding between the offender and and offendee because of the defensive stance assumed by the former

all the dogpiling and high fiving over 'yeah man how could someBODy DO thAT loL?' further divides the parties with different opinions

please do not read this as me excusing or justifying what pred or degu said but ive yet to see this type of publicity work out with any progress being made in communities like this

[spoiler]also wetf do euros even have to be racist about u all talk funny and have ur own country based circlejerks but come on thats basic shit ud yell at a football game right?[/spoiler]
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#196
71 Frags +

comp tf2 is at a point now where we have a lot of people in powerful places that will do nothing but twiddle their thumbs or make a very loose attempt at actually enforcing the rules.

Honestly any sort of racism that happens in the league during a casted game should be treated seriously regardless of "we just memeing xD", anything else that would be considered flame would be dealt with a per case basis. Anything outside of the league should be looked at at a per case basis like Preds scenario.

This thread needs to be locked because it's gone well and beyond the original purpose on it and now it's just groups trying to justify their actions towards each other by playing a bit of he said she said.

comp tf2 is at a point now where we have a lot of people in powerful places that will do nothing but twiddle their thumbs or make a very loose attempt at actually enforcing the rules.

Honestly any sort of racism that happens in the league during a casted game should be treated seriously regardless of "we just memeing xD", anything else that would be considered flame would be dealt with a per case basis. Anything outside of the league should be looked at at a per case basis like Preds scenario.

This thread needs to be locked because it's gone well and beyond the original purpose on it and now it's just groups trying to justify their actions towards each other by playing a bit of he said she said.
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#197
-2 Frags +

lock thread

lock thread
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#198
-3 Frags +

Let's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

PS: Could we have a scale of harassment depending on the concerned subjet, as we can choose to ban racist person/whoeveryouwant but not shittalker (because saying to people they are shit depending of their skill on TF2 is ok.. please

Let's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

PS: Could we have a scale of harassment depending on the concerned subjet, as we can choose to ban racist person/whoeveryouwant but not shittalker (because saying to people they are shit depending of their skill on TF2 is ok.. please
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#199
22 Frags +

Can people just learn to grow up and not be fuckheads to others tyvm. As in, know where the line between bantz and just being rude is.

Can people just learn to grow up and not be fuckheads to others tyvm. As in, know where the line between bantz and just being rude is.
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#200
-6 Frags +
adyskyyllenquite commendable how the 7 circlejerk has managed to shift this thread to dig up as much dirt as possible on "the bin", even leaking pms with admins. Were the enemies but i recall years ago the first time I saw thalash speak on us he came into papis stream chat and called us all "retarded idiots" with no context, also lick my large boot was nothing compared to stark saying

Red Starkie u guys are literal trash
Red Starkie honestly the worst players ive ever seen
Red Starkie you shouldnt be on the same server as me

Im pretty sure degu plays for bin blk and pred for the bin. Feel free to look at the thread title again.
Starks bm is incomparable with ratslayer saying gay virgin n***** kids during an official

So its fine for stark to call us literal trash which dehumanizes us, belittles us completely but if someone thats not on my team starts being racist torwards you then its out of the window? I couldnt care less what you call me but at the same time you aren't saints.

[quote=adysky][quote=yllen]quite commendable how the 7 circlejerk has managed to shift this thread to dig up as much dirt as possible on "the bin", even leaking pms with admins. Were the enemies but i recall years ago the first time I saw thalash speak on us he came into papis stream chat and called us all "retarded idiots" with no context, also lick my large boot was nothing compared to stark saying

Red Starkie u guys are literal trash
Red Starkie honestly the worst players ive ever seen
Red Starkie you shouldnt be on the same server as me[/quote]

Im pretty sure degu plays for bin blk and pred for the bin. Feel free to look at the thread title again.
Starks bm is incomparable with ratslayer saying gay virgin n***** kids during an official[/quote]


So its fine for stark to call us literal trash which dehumanizes us, belittles us completely but if someone thats not on my team starts being racist torwards you then its out of the window? I couldnt care less what you call me but at the same time you aren't saints.
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#201
14 Frags +

We have some problems in our community, and we have had them for years. Problems do not go away by ignoring them.
We have a small community, and we need to take care of it to keep the community going. If a small group of asshats make a lot of people leave the community that is a problem. It would be better for the community to get rid of the asshats than let them drive everyone else away.
And remember, it is not OK to be an asshat just because someone else is a bigger asshat.

We have some problems in our community, and we have had them for years. Problems do not go away by ignoring them.
We have a small community, and we need to take care of it to keep the community going. If a small group of asshats make a lot of people leave the community that is a problem. It would be better for the community to get rid of the asshats than let them drive everyone else away.
And remember, it is not OK to be an asshat just because someone else is a bigger asshat.
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#202
18 Frags +
Thalashbecause unfortunately 50% of the admins in ETF2L are more or less part of the circlejerk that goes around being obnoxious in games.

oops, there it is

[quote=Thalash]because unfortunately 50% of the admins in ETF2L are more or less part of the circlejerk that goes around being obnoxious in games. [/quote]

oops, there it is
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#203
-7 Frags +
MattCVIt shouldn't be conducted because you say so? and what do you mean you can't express your personality over the internet, do you mean you have a fake personality you use?

Just be who you are.

If you believe trashtalking should be accepted as something normal, it's entirely your problem.
I said people cannot express their whole personality over the internet. This implies that you can see only a part of it, I have no clue how you manage to interpret my words in such a wrong way.

[quote=MattCV]
It shouldn't be conducted because you say so? and what do you mean you can't express your personality over the internet, do you mean you have a fake personality you use?

Just be who you are.[/quote]
If you believe trashtalking should be accepted as something normal, it's entirely your problem.
I said people cannot express their[b] whole [/b]personality over the internet. This implies that you can see only a part of it, I have no clue how you manage to interpret my words in such a wrong way.
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#204
48 Frags +
yllenadyskyyllenquite commendable how the 7 circlejerk has managed to shift this thread to dig up as much dirt as possible on "the bin", even leaking pms with admins. Were the enemies but i recall years ago the first time I saw thalash speak on us he came into papis stream chat and called us all "retarded idiots" with no context, also lick my large boot was nothing compared to stark saying

Red Starkie u guys are literal trash
Red Starkie honestly the worst players ive ever seen
Red Starkie you shouldnt be on the same server as me

Im pretty sure degu plays for bin blk and pred for the bin. Feel free to look at the thread title again.
Starks bm is incomparable with ratslayer saying gay virgin n***** kids during an official

So its fine for stark to call us literal trash which dehumanizes us, belittles us completely but if someone thats not on my team starts being racist torwards you then its out of the window? I couldnt care less what you call me but at the same time you aren't saints.

Trashtalk isn't even in the same ballpark as harassment and racism. You are not a victim.

[quote=yllen][quote=adysky][quote=yllen]quite commendable how the 7 circlejerk has managed to shift this thread to dig up as much dirt as possible on "the bin", even leaking pms with admins. Were the enemies but i recall years ago the first time I saw thalash speak on us he came into papis stream chat and called us all "retarded idiots" with no context, also lick my large boot was nothing compared to stark saying

Red Starkie u guys are literal trash
Red Starkie honestly the worst players ive ever seen
Red Starkie you shouldnt be on the same server as me[/quote]

Im pretty sure degu plays for bin blk and pred for the bin. Feel free to look at the thread title again.
Starks bm is incomparable with ratslayer saying gay virgin n***** kids during an official[/quote]


So its fine for stark to call us literal trash which dehumanizes us, belittles us completely but if someone thats not on my team starts being racist torwards you then its out of the window? I couldnt care less what you call me but at the same time you aren't saints.[/quote]

Trashtalk isn't even in the same ballpark as harassment and racism. You are not a victim.
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#205
115 Frags +
GlastryLet's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

https://i.imgur.com/gMwYQsx.png

can you point to me where the punchline is?

[quote=Glastry]Let's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

[/quote]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gMwYQsx.png[/img]

can you point to me where the punchline is?
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#206
-65 Frags +
WARHURYEAHGlastryLet's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

https://i.imgur.com/gMwYQsx.png

can you point to me where the punchline is?

I'm okay to admit what they said is completely retarded, I guess they realized it but still dude, everyone makes mistakes and do shit things.
I strongly believe that their intention wasn't as offensive as they thought.

[quote=WARHURYEAH][quote=Glastry]Let's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

[/quote]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gMwYQsx.png[/img]

can you point to me where the punchline is?[/quote]

I'm okay to admit what they said is completely retarded, I guess they realized it but still dude, everyone makes mistakes and do shit things.
I strongly believe that their intention wasn't as offensive as they thought.
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#207
72 Frags +
GlastryWARHURYEAHGlastryLet's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

https://i.imgur.com/gMwYQsx.png

can you point to me where the punchline is?

I'm okay to admit what they said is completely retarded, I guess they realized it but still dude, everyone makes mistakes and do shit things.
I strongly believe that their intention wasn't as offensive as they thought.

you're delusional

[quote=Glastry][quote=WARHURYEAH][quote=Glastry]Let's ban pred and degu for bad jokes on sexual harrassment, they reeeeeeeaaally deserve it lmao

[/quote]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gMwYQsx.png[/img]

can you point to me where the punchline is?[/quote]

I'm okay to admit what they said is completely retarded, I guess they realized it but still dude, everyone makes mistakes and do shit things.
I strongly believe that their intention wasn't as offensive as they thought.[/quote]

you're delusional
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#208
-3 Frags +

you all have way too much time on your hands

you all have way too much time on your hands
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#209
61 Frags +

Yeah man I called her an ugly g*** cunt but totally didn’t mean to offend her at all!

Get the fuck out of here with that. Anyone who types shit like that knows exactly what they’re saying. I’ve been called an n-word fucker and other shit multiple times and that’s just because I’m dating someone who happens to have dark skin. It doesn’t even directly affect me and it’s infuriating. The only reason for saying stuff like this is to be edgy, mean, and hurtful. Shit like this drives people away from our already small community. I’d rather lose idiots like this than uberchain (or tagg as well) who have poured their heart and souls into this game.

Yeah man I called her an ugly g*** cunt but totally didn’t mean to offend her at all!

Get the fuck out of here with that. Anyone who types shit like that knows exactly what they’re saying. I’ve been called an n-word fucker and other shit multiple times and that’s just because I’m dating someone who happens to have dark skin. It doesn’t even directly affect me and it’s infuriating. The only reason for saying stuff like this is to be edgy, mean, and hurtful. Shit like this drives people away from our already small community. I’d rather lose idiots like this than uberchain (or tagg as well) who have poured their heart and souls into this game.
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#210
-9 Frags +

Revolt against the modern world.

Revolt against the modern world.
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