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What is with people in mge
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People just have been really toxic over the years, wondering how or why people get like that and take MGE so seriously when it's just some shit for warm up and dm practice

People just have been really toxic over the years, wondering how or why people get like that and take MGE so seriously when it's just some shit for warm up and dm practice
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idk

idk
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#4
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thats part of the appeal its like a petting zoo where you can add up to the worst humans imaginable

thats part of the appeal its like a petting zoo where you can add up to the worst humans imaginable
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#5
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EnzoDBthats part of the appeal its like a petting zoo where you can add up to the worst humans imaginable

could one of the animals at the petting zoo please speak up im very curious to hear the thought process behind acting like that

[quote=EnzoDB]thats part of the appeal its like a petting zoo where you can add up to the worst humans imaginable[/quote]
could one of the animals at the petting zoo please speak up im very curious to hear the thought process behind acting like that
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#6
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mge is 1v1 which makes people more angry

mge is 1v1 which makes people more angry
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#7
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maybe MGE players are different since i played it at all, and definitely an armchair take, but:

1. MGE is implied to measure ur pure individual skill
2. MGE is 1v1 and competitive so per (1) wins should show skill superiority of the winner
3. MGE is ultimately very flawed as a 1v1 competition, so unwritten rules are prevalent
4. ppl who play MGE too much place too much of their self-worth on their performance in MGE

this leads to MGE mains losing, feeling primally dominated to some degree, but being left with an outlet to make excuses and offload their anger onto the enemy player. beyond this theres also the total social disconnect of you not even caring about the result of the games. even if they didnt get mad, their reactions to winning or losing are probably pretty foreign to someone who just uses the mode to warm up their aim

my question is less "why are ppl who play MGE as a hobby so mad all the time?" and more "what makes ppl play MGE as a hobby?"
cos tell me you wouldnt be a bitter and angry person too if you primarily played MGE as a hobby

maybe MGE players are different since i played it at all, and definitely an armchair take, but:

1. MGE is implied to measure ur pure individual skill
2. MGE is 1v1 and competitive so per (1) wins should show skill superiority of the winner
3. MGE is ultimately very flawed as a 1v1 competition, so unwritten rules are prevalent
4. ppl who play MGE too much place too much of their self-worth on their performance in MGE

this leads to MGE mains losing, feeling primally dominated to some degree, but being left with an outlet to make excuses and offload their anger onto the enemy player. beyond this theres also the total social disconnect of you not even caring about the result of the games. even if they didnt get mad, their reactions to winning or losing are probably pretty foreign to someone who just uses the mode to warm up their aim

my question is less "why are ppl who play MGE as a hobby so mad all the time?" and more "what makes ppl play MGE as a hobby?"
cos tell me you wouldnt be a bitter and angry person too if you primarily played MGE as a hobby
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#8
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when you do things you like, you won't be bitter and angry.

all the MGE and aim trainer hobbyists i know are basically gym bros; they play to improve their dexterity and to think about the interplay between mechanics and strategy.

it's usually people who feel forced (or rather, force upon themselves) to play MGE who are rancorous and projective. if people are acting incredulously because they lost and/or you played into their passive playstyle to practice your aim, i highly recommend just removing and not playing into their sore loser/winner behavior. some people can't be helped & are pitiable; there are unfortunately enough sore losers/winners that it can make public MGEing miserable, but they're not representative of people who i consider to treat MGE as a hobby.

the EU/RUS MGE scene is a lot more "cutthroat", but the "bad actors" are so over the top that it's funny & hard to take seriously. some people have fun playing to win at any costs, and/or trying to play the metagame of shit talk -- as long as they clearly telegraph early on that they're playing to win, they don't hog arenas, & they're sufficiently good enough to warm up your aim, it is what it is.

unfortunately, there are very few games which have sufficiently high TTK and movement expression, so of course people will keep coming back to MGE. most competitive FPS games nowadays are either catered to controller/casual play, to strategizing via team compositions, and/or to pure/precise aim which minimally rewards actively dodging shots in an open area.

when you do things you like, you won't be bitter and angry.

all the MGE and aim trainer hobbyists i know are basically gym bros; they play to improve their dexterity and to think about the interplay between mechanics and strategy.

it's usually people who feel forced (or rather, force upon themselves) to play MGE who are rancorous and projective. if people are acting incredulously because they lost and/or you played into their passive playstyle to practice your aim, i highly recommend just removing and not playing into their sore loser/winner behavior. some people can't be helped & are pitiable; there are unfortunately enough sore losers/winners that it can make public MGEing miserable, but they're not representative of people who i consider to treat MGE as a hobby.

the EU/RUS MGE scene is a lot more "cutthroat", but the "bad actors" are so over the top that it's funny & hard to take seriously. some people have fun playing to win at any costs, and/or trying to play the metagame of shit talk -- as long as they clearly telegraph early on that they're playing to win, they don't hog arenas, & they're sufficiently good enough to warm up your aim, it is what it is.

unfortunately, there are very few games which have sufficiently high TTK and movement expression, so of course people will keep coming back to MGE. most competitive FPS games nowadays are either catered to controller/casual play, to strategizing via team compositions, and/or to pure/precise aim which minimally rewards actively dodging shots in an open area.
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#9
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as a prior mge goblin who used to be toxic its the nature of competition. youll always have bad apples in the bunch. i dont know a single endeavor in a competitive setting that doesnt get toxic

to some its a training mod. to others its what they want to be known for by any means necessary. doesnt make it justifiable for them to be a retard but id hope that helps you understand the why. dolphin said it better than i ever could so id listen to him instead

tldr; they just want to be assholes without consequence and gloat who they beat once or sumn

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this will solve your problems (=

as a prior mge goblin who used to be toxic its the nature of competition. youll always have bad apples in the bunch. i dont know a single endeavor in a competitive setting that doesnt get toxic

to some its a training mod. to others its what they want to be known for by any means necessary. doesnt make it justifiable for them to be a retard but id hope that helps you understand the why. dolphin said it better than i ever could so id listen to him instead

tldr; they just want to be assholes without consequence and gloat who they beat once or sumn

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this will solve your problems (=
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#10
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elo

the answer is always elo, when thats involved ppl will do and say anything for a rating

elo

the answer is always elo, when thats involved ppl will do and say anything for a rating
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#11
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So u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day

So u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day
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https://youtu.be/fA8nPGexqYo?si=NekgZTnXAdxKpTiy

https://youtu.be/fA8nPGexqYo?si=NekgZTnXAdxKpTiy
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#13
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It would be Free Content to join a public mge server while streaming, stay in spec and cast that shit like its a Documentary.

It would be Free Content to join a public mge server while streaming, stay in spec and cast that shit like its a Documentary.
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#14
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its not taking it seriously LOL i dont care just interesting some ppl add 1 to play STICKY DEMO in the corner (:

its not taking it seriously LOL i dont care just interesting some ppl add 1 to play STICKY DEMO in the corner (:
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#15
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couple months ago before I had any elo I was getting called slurs on mic. It was kind of awesome. You can't get that just anywhere in today's gaming world

couple months ago before I had any elo I was getting called slurs on mic. It was kind of awesome. You can't get that just anywhere in today's gaming world
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#16
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So u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day

So u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day
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#17
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There are no people in MGE

There are no people in MGE
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#18
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I get where you are coming from. People associate their mechanical skill with their overall individual skill. Clicking on ppl is just a piece of the puzzle of being goated in a team based game where decison making and communication are x-factors.

I get where you are coming from. People associate their mechanical skill with their overall individual skill. Clicking on ppl is just a piece of the puzzle of being goated in a team based game where decison making and communication are x-factors.
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#19
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I always found mge pretty enjoyable because it's the one place you get to hit many airshot that make brain happy :D

I always found mge pretty enjoyable because it's the one place you get to hit many airshot that make brain happy :D
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#20
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I think Lange hard-coded some psychoactive ingredient into the map. Whatever these players are seeing differs from reality and they're all in psychotic episodes.

I think Lange hard-coded some psychoactive ingredient into the map. Whatever these players are seeing differs from reality and they're all in psychotic episodes.
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#21
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no one says gg anymore :(

no one says gg anymore :(
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omnibuser-csSo u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day

youre so tough and skilled in mge can you mentor me please

[quote=omnibuser-cs]So u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day[/quote]
youre so tough and skilled in mge can you mentor me please
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mmrarktemge is 1v1 which makes people more angry

this makes some sense but fighting games are also 1v1 and the fighting actually is the entire point of the game so why are there comparatively so many more weirdos vs fighting games? is it just an fps thing???

[quote=mmrarkte]mge is 1v1 which makes people more angry[/quote]
this makes some sense but fighting games are also 1v1 and the fighting actually is the entire point of the game so why are there comparatively so many more weirdos vs fighting games? is it just an fps thing???
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#24
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aside from elo, the lesser the players in the mode the more toxic for some reason especially when it's 1v1. not a competitive game but destiny is probably the game most I've gotten messaged and that's 3v3s

aside from elo, the lesser the players in the mode the more toxic for some reason especially when it's 1v1. not a competitive game but destiny is probably the game most I've gotten messaged and that's 3v3s
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#25
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omnibuser-csSo u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day

https://i.imgur.com/DrmsQxZ.png

sorry, the adults are talking here

[quote=omnibuser-cs]So u got bested by a real player in MGE and u came here looking for easy approval to make u feel better about ur lack of skill huh. I'm here to crush that little dream of yours boy
just cuz u cant step up to the skillful players doesnt mean theyre toxik or tryhards. If u care so much about getting practice and warm-up then why u aint willing to put up with some light hearted trashtalk and keep playing? Even my little brother has learnt not to take words from a video game seriously.
If all it takes is some teasing to get you to come to this forum and cry, u aint long for TF2 anyhow. Theres many casual games u can play where bitches like you dont have nothing to complain about.
Otherwise, maybe if u kept practicing instead of yapping ud be as good as the kings of MGE one day[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/DrmsQxZ.png[/img]
sorry, the adults are talking here
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#26
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people only care about elo and not getting better anymore.

people only care about elo and not getting better anymore.
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#27
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MGE is a quick way to ruin a fools entire day by beating them, munching on that elo and disconnecting

MGE is a quick way to ruin a fools entire day by beating them, munching on that elo and disconnecting
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#28
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the elo system is actually good imo

elo is a byproduct of gained understanding/skill through identifying mistakes + mistake mitigation + consistent reps over a period of time. and is a good assessment of where someone stands

the higher the elo, the less mistakes are being made generally speaking

since there’s no ‘fixed’ way to play the downside is players can cheese their way to a high elo while simultaneously ruining the experience for everyone else (playing gay as fuck, silent removing, class-swap binds to get kicked, toggling, etc) which encourages shit behavior in pub mge

i disagree with the thought that most people don’t care about their elo when nobody who’s 2000 or above here would want to lose to a 1700 player that isn’t an alt. the gap for understanding and reps between the two is vast

elo is fine but i think it should be thought about from “if i reached 2400, do i deserve to be 2400?” if you can maintain it and keep that number you have, even if you lost it and can get it back through being consistent, you deserve that rating. vs reaching it once, losing it, and not being able to get it back at all

which means you’re likely capable, but making a mistake(s) that are harder to identify (the higher the rating, the less mistakes occur on average, so identifying them are much harder as you go higher) and it holds you back from your peak rating/keeping it/pushing past it

sorry for long nerd essay im shit at articulating

the elo system is actually good imo

elo is a byproduct of gained understanding/skill through identifying mistakes + mistake mitigation + consistent reps over a period of time. and is a good assessment of where someone stands

the higher the elo, the less mistakes are being made generally speaking

since there’s no ‘fixed’ way to play the downside is players can cheese their way to a high elo while simultaneously ruining the experience for everyone else (playing gay as fuck, silent removing, class-swap binds to get kicked, toggling, etc) which encourages shit behavior in pub mge

i disagree with the thought that most people don’t care about their elo when nobody who’s 2000 or above here would want to lose to a 1700 player that isn’t an alt. the gap for understanding and reps between the two is vast

elo is fine but i think it should be thought about from “if i reached 2400, do i deserve to be 2400?” if you can maintain it and keep that number you have, even if you lost it and can get it back through being consistent, you deserve that rating. vs reaching it once, losing it, and not being able to get it back at all

which means you’re likely capable, but making a mistake(s) that are harder to identify (the higher the rating, the less mistakes occur on average, so identifying them are much harder as you go higher) and it holds you back from your peak rating/keeping it/pushing past it

sorry for long nerd essay im shit at articulating
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#29
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xirphsince there’s no ‘fixed’ way to play the downside is players can cheese their way to a high elo while simultaneously ruining the experience for everyone else (playing gay as fuck, silent removing, class-swap binds to get kicked, toggling, etc) which encourages shit behavior in pub mge

lots of downsides here. any upsides?

[quote=xirph]since there’s no ‘fixed’ way to play the downside is players can cheese their way to a high elo while simultaneously ruining the experience for everyone else (playing gay as fuck, silent removing, class-swap binds to get kicked, toggling, etc) which encourages shit behavior in pub mge[/quote]
lots of downsides here. any upsides?
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#30
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brodyxirphsince there’s no ‘fixed’ way to play the downside is players can cheese their way to a high elo while simultaneously ruining the experience for everyone else (playing gay as fuck, silent removing, class-swap binds to get kicked, toggling, etc) which encourages shit behavior in pub mgelots of downsides here. any upsides?

i can think of 2 visible upsides

1. being able to get a variety of different players ranging in skill to practice against. this is important because while i do think private mge practice is great, being that you don't deal with losers and you can practice in peace, my only criticism is that one player you play against is not a representation of most. where players vary in skill level and play differently. not that there's much diversity in playing styles, but you still will struggle against something you've never seen before or have far less experience against. how quickly you can adapt to different players is why i think pub mge is excellent practice if done well

if you have recording software, record yourself and look back at the footage and analyze why you won, lost, or why the score was close. the "why" is emphasized because this is where you need to make note of what you're doing wrong and improve on that. and it can be really simple

e.g. maybe you over-aimed and as a result your opponent was able to punish you for it. maybe you didn't exercise patience and since you rushed your shots and didn't play reactively to their movement, you were punished. maybe you were knocked to low hp and didn't continue keeping aggression, and as a result of that second or so of passivity you end up not securing the kill and being punished, etc

2. you're more likely to create connections with players much better than yourself which gives you access to a much wider range of knowledge and a basis to improve upon. assuming they're open to giving feedback. most players don't really ask questions in mge. which is understandable, but it doesn't hurt

since most players don't have a mentor, they're at the whim of whatever they see and can't assess what's good and what isn't for improving long-term. short-term gains are dogshit because they're easy and you don't learn anything. that's why retards who play like losers in mge for the purpose of elo tend to stagnate in skill and eventually get bested as a result

you play to improve and the wins come and as a byproduct your elo increases as it should, not the other way around

[quote=brody][quote=xirph]since there’s no ‘fixed’ way to play the downside is players can cheese their way to a high elo while simultaneously ruining the experience for everyone else (playing gay as fuck, silent removing, class-swap binds to get kicked, toggling, etc) which encourages shit behavior in pub mge[/quote]
lots of downsides here. any upsides?[/quote]

i can think of 2 visible upsides

1. being able to get a variety of different players ranging in skill to practice against. this is important because while i do think private mge practice is great, being that you don't deal with losers and you can practice in peace, my only criticism is that one player you play against is not a representation of most. where players vary in skill level and play differently. not that there's much diversity in playing styles, but you still will struggle against something you've never seen before or have far less experience against. how quickly you can adapt to different players is why i think pub mge is excellent practice if done well

if you have recording software, record yourself and look back at the footage and analyze why you won, lost, or why the score was close. the "why" is emphasized because this is where you need to make note of what you're doing wrong and improve on that. and it can be really simple

e.g. maybe you over-aimed and as a result your opponent was able to punish you for it. maybe you didn't exercise patience and since you rushed your shots and didn't play reactively to their movement, you were punished. maybe you were knocked to low hp and didn't continue keeping aggression, and as a result of that second or so of passivity you end up not securing the kill and being punished, etc

2. you're more likely to create connections with players much better than yourself which gives you access to a much wider range of knowledge and a basis to improve upon. assuming they're open to giving feedback. most players don't really ask questions in mge. which is understandable, but it doesn't hurt

since most players don't have a mentor, they're at the whim of whatever they see and can't assess what's good and what isn't for improving long-term. short-term gains are dogshit because they're easy and you don't learn anything. that's why retards who play like losers in mge for the purpose of elo tend to stagnate in skill and eventually get bested as a result

you play to improve and the wins come and as a byproduct your elo increases as it should, not the other way around
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