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Drama Thread - Kritzkast
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#31
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youre mad at someone on tftv for making meme posts about HL figure it out bud

youre mad at someone on tftv for making meme posts about HL figure it out bud
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#32
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#33
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not here to argue about VODs and this thread wasn't made too argue about them either. so keep the vod patter out of the question. whilst im here lets talk screencaps

WiethoofdThen on to plunk, you've had it out for us [KritzKast] for well over 2,5 years, when you dropped this nugget on us:
https://i.imgur.com/JakE3Vr.jpg
And also went on to shit on our efforts to organize CG19:
https://i.imgur.com/QrpDSVt.jpg
And again on a news thread about CG20:
https://i.imgur.com/4sqcDCF.jpg

ill admit here, the first photo from two and a half ago was in bad taste and i do apologise for stuff like that. young, stupid and emo.
i don't like highlander. i don't care if you play or produce it in anyway but i don't want to go to a lan with being it played. so what? each to their own and as we know the highlander at LAN for staff and players was exhausting but thats for another time.
the sigafoo thread, yeah some of the stuff i said if you don't know how i talk looks bad but it looks bad and was a bit, once again, too far. to sigafoo if you found it offensive im sorry.
the "blame wiet" one well, you wanted highlander there and you got it whether i liked it or not at the time. i said it in a condescending tone which yeah, is bad and i do apologise for that too

WiethoofdTwitch.TV policy with regards to chat bansTwitch - APPEALING A CHANNEL-SPECIFIC BANChannel owners and moderators are free to ban anyone from their channel, regardless of the reason. Twitch Staff will not assist in reversing channel-specific bans. Please note that while you are welcome to appeal a channel ban, misuse of Whispers or other features to attack or harass anyone due to receipt of a channel ban (or any other reason) will lead to suspension of your account(s).
And then there's the following quality comments you've left in various threads across TFTV that should justify the ban in our twitch chat,
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the goth one is a bit of an inside joke, shouldnt of really been said on a forum to begin with and isnt really that harmful and the b4nny one was a jab at b4nny subs which everyone does on this forum. if you really want to die on the hill of "plunk hates paedos and rapists" please, be my guest

i'm not that much of an arsepiece to see what i did wrong in the past but when im told to apologise for stuff said two years ago yeah, sure i grew up and i apologise for what i said. i literally wanted to find out why i was banned. i don't know why agro blocked me and banned me rather than discussing like normal but i was forced to post here. i never expected to be unbanned and never will in the future and that's fine, life works that way and people don't see eye to eye but man, you guys really made it hard for no reason and this could've been done and dusted in under an hour or two tops in a group DM or dm's with agro. if this was his masterplan to get me on tftv to show all the collections of quotes that is there then so be it.

qbownKinda funny that you get banned for shit like this and then remember that KK had a known racist, homophobe, transphobe and every other funny title you can get as a long time caster while that guy was on his like 17th warning without ever getting removed/punished by them. Guess shitposting on tftv is worse than being a racist/homophobe..

this too

not here to argue about VODs and this thread wasn't made too argue about them either. so keep the vod patter out of the question. whilst im here lets talk screencaps
[quote=Wiethoofd]Then on to plunk, you've had it out for us [KritzKast] for [url=http://tf.gg/post/832315]well over 2,5 years[/url], when you dropped this nugget on us:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/JakE3Vr.jpg[/img]
And also went on to shit on our efforts to organize CG19:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/QrpDSVt.jpg[/img]
And again on a news thread about CG20:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/4sqcDCF.jpg[/img][/quote]
ill admit here, the first photo from two and a half ago was in bad taste and i do apologise for stuff like that. young, stupid and emo.
i don't like highlander. i don't care if you play or produce it in anyway but i don't want to go to a lan with being it played. so what? each to their own and as we know the highlander at LAN for staff and players was exhausting but thats for another time.
the sigafoo thread, yeah some of the stuff i said if you don't know how i talk looks bad but it looks bad and was a bit, once again, too far. to sigafoo if you found it offensive im sorry.
the "blame wiet" one well, you wanted highlander there and you got it whether i liked it or not at the time. i said it in a condescending tone which yeah, is bad and i do apologise for that too
[quote=Wiethoofd]
[url=https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/about-account-suspensions-dmca-suspensions-and-chat-bans?language=en_US#AppealingChannelBan]Twitch.TV policy with regards to chat bans[/url]
[quote=Twitch - APPEALING A CHANNEL-SPECIFIC BAN]Channel owners [b]and moderators are free to ban anyone from their channel, regardless of the reason[/b]. Twitch Staff will not assist in reversing channel-specific bans. Please note that while you are welcome to appeal a channel ban, misuse of Whispers or other features to attack or harass anyone due to receipt of a channel ban (or any other reason) will lead to suspension of your account(s).[/quote]

And then there's the following quality comments you've left in various threads across TFTV that should justify the ban in our twitch chat,
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/sIB2cAe.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ThCkvXh.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/rWtLEhW.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/RS7ilSq.jpg[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
the goth one is a bit of an inside joke, shouldnt of really been said on a forum to begin with and isnt really that harmful and the b4nny one was a jab at b4nny subs which everyone does on this forum. if you really want to die on the hill of "plunk hates paedos and rapists" please, be my guest

i'm not that much of an arsepiece to see what i did wrong in the past but when im told to apologise for stuff said two years ago yeah, sure i grew up and i apologise for what i said. i literally wanted to find out why i was banned. i don't know why agro blocked me and banned me rather than discussing like normal but i was forced to post here. i never expected to be unbanned and never will in the future and that's fine, life works that way and people don't see eye to eye but man, you guys really made it hard for no reason and this could've been done and dusted in under an hour or two tops in a group DM or dm's with agro. if this was his masterplan to get me on tftv to show all the collections of quotes that is there then so be it.

[quote=qbown]Kinda funny that you get banned for shit like this and then remember that KK had a known racist, homophobe, transphobe and every other funny title you can get as a long time caster while that guy was on his like 17th warning without ever getting removed/punished by them. Guess shitposting on tftv is worse than being a racist/homophobe..[/quote]
this too
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#34
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you were banned for rule 7.3

you were banned for rule 7.3
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#35
23 Frags +

Kinda funny that you get banned for shit like this and then remember that KK had a known racist, homophobe, transphobe and every other funny title you can get as a long time caster while that guy was on his like 17th warning without ever getting removed/punished by them. Guess shitposting on tftv is worse than being a racist/homophobe..

Kinda funny that you get banned for shit like this and then remember that KK had a known racist, homophobe, transphobe and every other funny title you can get as a long time caster while that guy was on his like 17th warning without ever getting removed/punished by them. Guess shitposting on tftv is worse than being a racist/homophobe..
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#36
huds.tf
28 Frags +
WiethoofdWall

The HL stuff has nothing to do with Kritzkast and doesn't really support any kind of argument here.

I genuinely don't think this game has the kind community to charge money to for viewing VODs. It's too damn small for that shit. Until some real esports/bankrolled money comes in, do it for the love of the game or don't do it at all.

Also if this screenshot constitutes a ban on anybody's Twitch channel they're a racist and needs a good stomping.

[quote=Wiethoofd]Wall[/quote]

The HL stuff has nothing to do with Kritzkast and doesn't really support any kind of argument here.

I genuinely don't think this game has the kind community to charge money to for viewing VODs. It's too damn small for that shit. Until some real esports/bankrolled money comes in, do it for the love of the game or don't do it at all.

Also if [url=https://i.imgur.com/sIB2cAe.jpg]this screenshot[/url] constitutes a ban on anybody's Twitch channel they're a racist and needs a good stomping.
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#37
61 Frags +

wonder why its called the KritzKast Krew not the CritsCast Crew.... weird

wonder why its called the KritzKast Krew not the CritsCast Crew.... weird
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#38
55 Frags +

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/452/928d8a9a57515320068a2c339e88fd28.jpg

I only watch tftv, tftv2, esea, esea2, esea3 and esea_orange
sorry not sorry shitzkast and r(etard)gl

[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/452/928d8a9a57515320068a2c339e88fd28.jpg[/img]
I only watch tftv, tftv2, esea, esea2, esea3 and esea_orange
sorry not sorry shitzkast and r(etard)gl
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#39
27 Frags +

Have we gotten to the point where meme posts about highlander and b4nny subs are actually considered serious instances of bad behavior? No fun allowed on my teamfortress.tv

Have we gotten to the point where meme posts about highlander and b4nny subs are actually considered serious instances of bad behavior? No fun allowed on my teamfortress.tv
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#40
21 Frags +

[/quote] And then there's the following quality comments you've left in various threads across TFTV that should justify the ban in our twitch chat,

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[/quote]

so Kritzkast supports rapists and pedophiles?

[/quote] And then there's the following quality comments you've left in various threads across TFTV that should justify the ban in our twitch chat,
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/sIB2cAe.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ThCkvXh.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/rWtLEhW.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/RS7ilSq.jpg[/img][/spoiler] [/quote]

so Kritzkast supports rapists and pedophiles?
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#41
-17 Frags +

It's just a chat ban, he doesn't need to justify himself. Calling him names won't help you either. Move on.

It's just a chat ban, he doesn't need to justify himself. Calling him names won't help you either. Move on.
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#42
17 Frags +
hushIt's just a chat ban, he doesn't need to justify himself. Calling him names won't help you either. Move on.

its not about a ban at all theese people sympathyise with rapists and pedophiles

[quote=hush]It's just a chat ban, he doesn't need to justify himself. Calling him names won't help you either. Move on.[/quote]
its not about a ban at all theese people sympathyise with rapists and pedophiles
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#43
32 Frags +

When plunk said "stomp on racists" it was actually a threat towards some of KK's staff, which is why it resulted in a ban

When plunk said "stomp on racists" it was actually a threat towards some of KK's staff, which is why it resulted in a ban
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#44
20 Frags +
niko
so Kritzkast supports rapists and pedophiles?

https://twitter.com/KritzKast/status/1193298489553424384
:thinking:

[quote=niko]

so Kritzkast supports rapists and pedophiles?[/quote]


https://twitter.com/KritzKast/status/1193298489553424384
:thinking:
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#45
23 Frags +
hushIt's just a chat ban, he doesn't need to justify himself. Calling him names won't help you either. Move on.

i dont care about the ban. its about how obtuse agro was about handling the entire situation.

[quote=hush]It's just a chat ban, he doesn't need to justify himself. Calling him names won't help you either. Move on.[/quote]
i dont care about the ban. its about how obtuse agro was about handling the entire situation.
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#46
18 Frags +
dempseyWhen plunk said "stomp on racists" it was actually a threat towards some of KK's staff, which is why it resulted in a ban

stomping on rapists actually
though I'm all for stomping racists and I'm certain plunk is too

Anyway if KK wants to keep him banned then oh well. Wiet is right about it being their channel and they can make that decision, regardless of it being a good or bad decision.

Trying to justify it by saying it's bad to joke about inciting violence towards sexual abusers is questionable. The goth one has been a joke he's been repeating for years

Also @wiethoofd I apologize if you took the uploading to youtube thing by heart since you commented on that. I meant no offence towards you or anyone else at KK in that regard. I know it's a lot of work and I appreciate the effort you put into that

[quote=dempsey]When plunk said "stomp on racists" it was actually a threat towards some of KK's staff, which is why it resulted in a ban[/quote]
stomping on rapists actually
though I'm all for stomping racists and I'm certain plunk is too

Anyway if KK wants to keep him banned then oh well. Wiet is right about it being their channel and they can make that decision, regardless of it being a good or bad decision.

Trying to justify it by saying it's bad to joke about inciting violence towards sexual abusers is questionable. The goth one has been a joke he's been repeating for years

Also @wiethoofd I apologize if you took the uploading to youtube thing by heart since you commented on that. I meant no offence towards you or anyone else at KK in that regard. I know it's a lot of work and I appreciate the effort you put into that
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#47
15 Frags +
TobdempseyWhen plunk said "stomp on racists" it was actually a threat towards some of KK's staff, which is why it resulted in a banstomping on rapists actually
though I'm all for stomping racists and I'm certain plunk is too

here here

[quote=Tob][quote=dempsey]When plunk said "stomp on racists" it was actually a threat towards some of KK's staff, which is why it resulted in a ban[/quote]
stomping on rapists actually
though I'm all for stomping racists and I'm certain plunk is too[/quote]
here here
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#48
21 Frags +

Just be friends with admins, then you cant get banned

Just be friends with admins, then you cant get banned
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#49
1 Frags +

jeff wouldnt let this happen

jeff wouldnt let this happen
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#50
11 Frags +

so both wiet and agro are little bitch ass snowflakes,good to know so i can ignore their opinions in the future

so both wiet and agro are little bitch ass snowflakes,good to know so i can ignore their opinions in the future
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#51
9 Frags +

the only thing about kritzkast that people care about is the hat, change my mind

the only thing about kritzkast that people care about is the hat, change my mind
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#52
33 Frags +
batemanhttps://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/452/928d8a9a57515320068a2c339e88fd28.jpg
I only watch tftv, tftv2, esea, esea2, esea3 and esea_orange
sorry not sorry shitzkast and r(etard)gl

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/035/094/Based_Department_Thumbnail.jpg

[quote=bateman][img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/452/928d8a9a57515320068a2c339e88fd28.jpg[/img]
I only watch tftv, tftv2, esea, esea2, esea3 and esea_orange
sorry not sorry shitzkast and r(etard)gl[/quote]
[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/035/094/Based_Department_Thumbnail.jpg[/img]
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#53
2 Frags +
batemanhttps://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/452/928d8a9a57515320068a2c339e88fd28.jpg
I only watch tftv, tftv2, esea, esea2, esea3 and esea_orange
sorry not sorry shitzkast and r(etard)gl

ba(sed)teman

[quote=bateman][img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/452/928d8a9a57515320068a2c339e88fd28.jpg[/img]
I only watch tftv, tftv2, esea, esea2, esea3 and esea_orange
sorry not sorry shitzkast and r(etard)gl[/quote]

ba(sed)teman
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#54
TFNew
23 Frags +

unless i am somehow missing something, i believe plunk handled the situation admirably well, considering he had been banned and had no idea why, and the people behind it were refusing to talk to him. he even apologised for some old dumb, but not hugely offensive comments which had absolutely nothing to do with kritzkast whatsoever. plunk has done all the "manning up" required. your turn now, kritzkast.

edit: i'd like to add that while i am essentially taking a side here i do not really have any ill will towards any of the individuals at kritzkast (despite the fact that this shitfest was likely something created by just a few individuals at most - i would find it hard to believe they had a big team meeting and decided banning plunk was a necessary precaution to take before the start of the event). everyone involved here has made great contributions to our scene and everyone makes mistakes sometimes, especially if you're anxious about an event starting soon. im not justifying what they did but if they read this i dont want them to think i hate them. i am grateful for their contributions to the scene but i think its a shame this shitfest had to happen. i hope they dont continue to insist on dying on this hill.

unless i am somehow missing something, i believe plunk handled the situation admirably well, considering he had been banned and had no idea why, and the people behind it were refusing to talk to him. he even apologised for some old dumb, but not [i] hugely [/i] offensive comments which had absolutely nothing to do with kritzkast whatsoever. plunk has done all the "manning up" required. your turn now, kritzkast.

edit: i'd like to add that while i am essentially taking a side here i do not really have any ill will towards any of the individuals at kritzkast (despite the fact that this shitfest was likely something created by just a few individuals at most - i would find it hard to believe they had a big team meeting and decided banning plunk was a necessary precaution to take before the start of the event). everyone involved here has made great contributions to our scene and everyone makes mistakes sometimes, especially if you're anxious about an event starting soon. im not justifying what they did but if they read this i dont want them to think i hate them. i am grateful for their contributions to the scene but i think its a shame this shitfest had to happen. i hope they dont continue to insist on dying on this hill.
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#55
KritzKast
-43 Frags +
BumFreezewonder why its called the KritzKast Krew not the CritsCast Crew.... weird

Hey, thanks for taking an interest in our history. We chose the name "KritzKast" back when we were podcasting. We named the show either just before or just after the KritzKreig came out so it's likely that it was in some way related and just recently we changed the logo to be a kritzkreig to finally reflect this.

It's unfortunate that we're only the one "k" away from a bad association. We're conscious of it and steer clear at every opportunity. We've have "KritzKast Cons" in the past and as you rightly point out there's a desire by some to refer to our audience as KritzKast Crew. In all instances it's been something we're quick to point out that we absolutely do not want to be seen as a Kon or a Krew. Of course, I'm not dumb, I know you're joking or trolling or whatever but I wanted to make it clear the name we chose has worked well for us, with strong SEO (Search Engine Optimisation), but the story ends there. There is no more to read into it.

[quote=BumFreeze]wonder why its called the KritzKast Krew not the CritsCast Crew.... weird[/quote]
Hey, thanks for taking an interest in our history. We chose the name "KritzKast" back when we were podcasting. We named the show either just before or just after the KritzKreig came out so it's likely that it was in some way related and just recently we changed the logo to be a kritzkreig to finally reflect this.

It's unfortunate that we're only the one "k" away from a bad association. We're conscious of it and steer clear at every opportunity. We've have "KritzKast Cons" in the past and as you rightly point out there's a desire by some to refer to our audience as KritzKast Crew. In all instances it's been something we're quick to point out that we absolutely do not want to be seen as a Kon or a Krew. Of course, I'm not dumb, I know you're joking or trolling or whatever but I wanted to make it clear the name we chose has worked well for us, with strong SEO (Search Engine Optimisation), but the story ends there. There is no more to read into it.
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#56
44 Frags +

This is a TF2Center esque ban lmfao.

This is a TF2Center esque ban lmfao.
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#57
KritzKast
-51 Frags +
JWBunless i am somehow missing something, i believe plunk handled the situation admirably well, considering he had been banned and had no idea why, and the people behind it were refusing to talk to him.

We (I'm) usually much better when it comes to banning people. It's a last resort since there's almost always a better way. So, yeah I'm willing to admit that I certainly could have handled this better, both in terms of communicating the reason for the ban and the subsequent way in which plunk_ was refused access to a means to apologise outside of doing so either on the original thread or in a new one.

JWBhe even apologised for some old dumb, but not hugely offensive comments which had absolutely nothing to do with kritzkast whatsoever. plunk has done all the "manning up" required. your turn now, kritzkast.

I'm not certain he's actually acknowledged/apologised for the thing that got him banned in the first place.

I've been trying to think of an analogy to explain my reasoning the whole drive up. The best I could come up with while stuck in traffic on the M5 was this:

  • I invited a bunch of friends round.
  • plunk_ showed up and took a shit on my doorstep
  • he's then gone home and phoned me to ask why I won't let him in
  • I could have told him "because you took a shit on my door step", but I'm still pissed off and I really want him to come back to the doorstep and either clean it up or at the absolute minimum acknowledge this it was a fucked up thing to do
  • instead he's come back to piss on my cat and now he's inviting other people to spit on my windows.

^That's kinda where I'm at right now.

[quote=JWB]unless i am somehow missing something, i believe plunk handled the situation admirably well, considering he had been banned and had no idea why, and the people behind it were refusing to talk to him. [/quote]
We (I'm) usually much better when it comes to banning people. It's a last resort since there's almost always a better way. So, yeah I'm willing to admit that I certainly could have handled this better, both in terms of communicating the reason for the ban and the subsequent way in which plunk_ was refused access to a means to apologise outside of doing so either on the original thread or in a new one.
[quote=JWB]
he even apologised for some old dumb, but not [i] hugely [/i] offensive comments which had absolutely nothing to do with kritzkast whatsoever. plunk has done all the "manning up" required. your turn now, kritzkast.[/quote]
I'm not certain he's actually acknowledged/apologised for the thing that got him banned in the first place.

I've been trying to think of an analogy to explain my reasoning the whole drive up. The best I could come up with while stuck in traffic on the M5 was this:
[list]
[*] I invited a bunch of friends round.
[*] plunk_ showed up and took a shit on my doorstep
[*] he's then gone home and phoned me to ask why I won't let him in
[*] I could have told him "because you took a shit on my door step", but I'm still pissed off and I really want him to come back to the doorstep and either clean it up or at the absolute minimum acknowledge this it was a fucked up thing to do
[*] instead he's come back to piss on my cat and now he's inviting other people to spit on my windows.
[/list]

^That's kinda where I'm at right now.
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#58
TFNew
35 Frags +

so what even is the actual reason he got banned? because he criticised you monetising vods? like a lot of other people? and somehow thats ban worthy?

so what even is the actual reason he got banned? because he criticised you monetising vods? like a lot of other people? and somehow thats ban worthy?
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#59
payload.tf
11 Frags +

All of this could have been avoided, but was made into a much bigger issue because of the initial response. Won't put in my opinion in either way.

All of this could have been avoided, but was made into a much bigger issue because of the initial response. Won't put in my opinion in either way.
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#60
29 Frags +
AgroJWBunless i am somehow missing something, i believe plunk handled the situation admirably well, considering he had been banned and had no idea why, and the people behind it were refusing to talk to him. We (I'm) usually much better when it comes to banning people. It's a last resort since there's almost always a better way. So, yeah I'm willing to admit that I certainly could have handled this better, both in terms of communicating the reason for the ban and the subsequent way in which plunk_ was refused access to a means to apologise outside of doing so either on the original thread or in a new one. JWBhe even apologised for some old dumb, but not hugely offensive comments which had absolutely nothing to do with kritzkast whatsoever. plunk has done all the "manning up" required. your turn now, kritzkast.I'm not certain he's actually acknowledged/apologised for the thing that got him banned in the first place.

I've been trying to think of an analogy to explain my reasoning the whole drive up. The best I could come up with while stuck in traffic on the M5 was this:
  • I invited a bunch of friends round.
  • plunk_ showed up and took a shit on my doorstep
  • he's then gone home and phoned me to ask why I won't let him in
  • I could have told him "because you took a shit on my door step", but I'm still pissed off and I really want him to come back to the doorstep and either clean it up or at the absolute minimum acknowledge this it was a fucked up thing to do
  • instead he's come back to piss on my cat and now he's inviting other people to spit on my windows.

^That's kinda where I'm at right now.

the issue with me phoning you, you need to pick up which is something you haven't done so there's a nice false analogy. i'm not apologising for an opinion i have posted on a public forum with others agreeing with me on how your org is ran. you have the right to criticise me publicly which i have no issue with but you clearly do have an issue with the reciprocal happening to you. once again, you have not gave a reason why you blocked me or banned me from your discord to discuss this issue further. i hope you overcome your issue of ego and see that you made a issue that could've been dealt privately made public.

[quote=Agro][quote=JWB]unless i am somehow missing something, i believe plunk handled the situation admirably well, considering he had been banned and had no idea why, and the people behind it were refusing to talk to him. [/quote]
We (I'm) usually much better when it comes to banning people. It's a last resort since there's almost always a better way. So, yeah I'm willing to admit that I certainly could have handled this better, both in terms of communicating the reason for the ban and the subsequent way in which plunk_ was refused access to a means to apologise outside of doing so either on the original thread or in a new one.
[quote=JWB]
he even apologised for some old dumb, but not [i] hugely [/i] offensive comments which had absolutely nothing to do with kritzkast whatsoever. plunk has done all the "manning up" required. your turn now, kritzkast.[/quote]
I'm not certain he's actually acknowledged/apologised for the thing that got him banned in the first place.

I've been trying to think of an analogy to explain my reasoning the whole drive up. The best I could come up with while stuck in traffic on the M5 was this:
[list]
[*] I invited a bunch of friends round.
[*] plunk_ showed up and took a shit on my doorstep
[*] he's then gone home and phoned me to ask why I won't let him in
[*] I could have told him "because you took a shit on my door step", but I'm still pissed off and I really want him to come back to the doorstep and either clean it up or at the absolute minimum acknowledge this it was a fucked up thing to do
[*] instead he's come back to piss on my cat and now he's inviting other people to spit on my windows.
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^That's kinda where I'm at right now.[/quote]
the issue with me phoning you, you need to pick up which is something you haven't done so there's a nice false analogy. i'm not apologising for an opinion i have posted on a public forum with others agreeing with me on how your org is ran. you have the right to criticise me publicly which i have no issue with but you clearly do have an issue with the reciprocal happening to you. once again, you have not gave a reason why you blocked me or banned me from your discord to discuss this issue further. i hope you overcome your issue of ego and see that you made a issue that could've been dealt privately made public.
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