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Message on discord at scream___ or not_apathy

Weekly TF2's New Pedophile thread

this shit is ass.

I find it incredibly ironic that one might use the words 'object permanence' and 'you can't read/reading comprehension' as functions to insult someone on a public forum. As if general social awareness or the ability to possess compassion for others who have been victimized is tied to either of these things, clearly from the ramblings above, it is not. In fact, I believe if somebody didn't have object permanence or the ability to read these posts it would probably be beneficial for their overall well-being.

It's also funny to tell someone to learn to 'critically think', when your own (likely) deepest 'critical thinking' exercise is the justification of pedophilia-like drawings (or at least drawn with the purpose to sexualize children) in any way, shape or form, human or fucking not. Seriously, this type of behavior is gross and this is probably the weirdest fucking thing I have ever read on this forum.

Buc-ee's... thoughts? I think they're a solid type 3 if not type 4 civilization. Anyone else agree? If buc-ee'
s not a type 4 civilization where do you think they rank on the kardishev scale??

bump, soldier/scout invite :)

Long Live The Goblin Zone. GGs.

They Can Never Escape.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2_BTVN68-ZA/maxresdefault.jpg

Strong mechanics and cares a lot about the game. His mental took leaps and bounds towards the end of his playing time, give him a good home :).

I agree it was particularly immature to say and not really helping anything. It's a pure reflection of how upset I was/am, it was a mistake but I won't pretend that's not how I feel.

Edit: I hope going forward the league will move on from this and develop more sufficient policies for dealing with this. An announcement is coming soon from RGL as to what the next steps are going to be. Advanced teams will be the first to know.

As said earlier in this thread, I completely understand why players are pissed off about playing against a potential cheater. However, it is not within league rules to allow teams to discount an entire team of players for playoffs, especially since that team has not been punished in any official academy. After consulting with other admins, I decided a compromise to delay playoffs was best and hopefully teams would be okay with that. Without anybody's input, arcadia decided upon himself that he would make a post throwing the entire existing admin team under the bus to earn brownie points with the community. Offering to pay league fees to the GGL is a complete undermining of both the AC teams’ potential decision and my decision as the division’s admin to try and work out something that would benefit everyone. When confronted about this issue in the staff discord, arcadia completely dismissed both Virgil and I’s concerns, and asked that we trust his decision making going forward, despite him never having experience being a league admin and interacting with players at this level. I’ll go ahead here and completely break down arcadia’s statement to give a little bit more context:

Kyle what the fuck are you talking about here? You completely ignored the process of consulting other admins, went over everybody’s head, and made an executive decision that goes completely against league rules and sets a nasty precedent. If you are referring to camp3r’s posts then fair, otherwise the AC limitations YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO LITERALLY THE ENTIRE STAFF DISCORD (things I do not even know), so don’t act fucking naïve to the situation beforehand. If you were to have made changes, it should have been BEFORE this public shitstorm, not after like you’re a kid that just broke his toy and is desperately trying to fix it before his mom gets home. I’m glad you’re personally giving an update here, because as I mentioned to you before, the communication from you and the other admins at the top is HORRENDOUS and needs major improvement (it has been this way FAR before your time here). Remember arcadia, as you said, it’s not us (staff) vs them (players), we are the players, in the same vein that YOU are not RGL, WE are. Especially considering the extenuating circumstances surrounding a certain staff member, it is fucking unbelievable that you would throw them under the bus here.

As mentioned, this completely violates league rules and oversteps your AC team. Oh, btw GGL, even though he “supports” you, apparently, he doesn’t think that you will succeed, which is “why he is taking this risk”. I however know that y’all are competent enough to set up a tournament, it really does not take that much effort.

I’m glad you have decided it’s time to step up as an owner of the league publicly, yet are so quick to talk about communication issues that we have with you privately? I’m happy that it’s easier for you to post on a public forum than it is for you to read your own staff channels. I will not accept that you were just clueless as to how to approach situations like this, you’re a grown adult with a job, you should 1000% know better than this. As you said in our discord while avoiding our concerns, you’re here to learn and get better, so here’s your lesson: don’t go over people’s heads that work there asses off so you can have a league that you are the owner of. If you want to be the knight in shining armor so bad, might I suggest that you try and understand admin concerns and league etiquette before bastardizing your entire staff on a public form.

Let me wrap this up by saying that over the past 2 and a half years or so I enjoyed being on staff and serving the community. I enjoyed contributing positively to changes that benefit players across the league. However, I refuse to sit here and be treated like insignificant garbage by the owner of this league. If I am allowed, I will stick it out and be here to support advanced until the end of the season, if not, it’s been a pleasure.

In the meantime, unless significant changes are undergone over at RGL internally, I would not suggest applying to their staff unless you want to be subject to combined external and randomized internal pressure.

Absolutely massive essay incoming, will likely be two parts.

Camp3r’s posts were out of line and disrespectful to the community, they did not address the situation at hand but laid out his pent-up frustration of being an admin for a prolonged period for RGL. This has been acknowledged internally,

And funny enough, there is/was an internal policy for posting on threads like this, it is clear that after this incident it needs to be implemented again.

I just wanted to say to camp3r’s impact, even before he was head admin, camp3r was the head and shoulders of RGL, without him, not a single match is scheduled, and the lower divs do not function let alone exist (which is much of the league). And I wanted to ask that, if possible, y’all show some mercy for him because I promise you a camp3r in his right state of mind does not make these posts (take that as you will).

However, I will not admit that everything in his posts is complete non-sense, and I would like to provide some perspective as to how we got here in the first place.

The transition from ESEA to RGL was already tough, admins did not know how to admin or act publicly, players did not know how to handle admin intervention (let’s be honest, ESEA had literally no active admins except for the occasional prayer from tri, so in NA it was quite literally the wild wild west). RGL fucked up numerous times, and was completely flamed by the community for it, which 10/10 during the earlier era was warranted. They were not only growing pains of the league, but a result of misguided leadership from up top and not adjusting to the wants of the players in time. I would say this period spanned from around Season 1 to about Season 6 of RGL. In that time, RGL made themselves public enemy #1, and for many reasons rightfully so! I remember being on those threads and reading some of the ridiculous shit and unclear rulings that were taking place; I posted quite a few times myself. This began the (perceivably) unrepairable relationship that the community (or tftv in this case) has with RGL. As reno became 6s HA, PR improved massively and the shitshow that was public RGL posting finally became reasonable, though I would say that the mentality was still cautious around player feedback. Tftv RGL threads themselves began to disappear as RGL was seemingly doing a little better of a job, though of course not perfect. There was the occasional thread bringing up stuff that happened in past seasons, things the current administration could literally not control, and other threads that had some relevancy and were helpful in putting RGL in its place.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the resentment that existed in the early days for RGL still exists, despite the efforts from the admin team to attempt and salvage what was left. I wish I could hit the reset button and completely wipe the past PR garbage shitshow insane-fest from history to fix this, but it’s obviously not possible. I won’t say either that the community pre-conception/apprehension towards RGL is completely unwarranted, but as the admin team has grown out of treating players like crap, the same could not be said for the current NA tf2 environment. To be clear, this is not just on tftv, there is a clear indication that no matter what RGL does, good or bad, there will always be the idea that RGL is against the people, RGL bad, what have you, (which is something I have heard touted in numerous pugs, scrims, matches, etc.). Because of this, a lot of (veteran, lol) admins have felt this built up resent and feel like we are constantly shat on by the community, which for a volunteer position is exhausting. I’m not saying this is happening to the level to which admins perceive it, and to an extent I believe it is exaggerated by the interactions that can leave a sour taste, building up over time into a warped perspective.

For example, this is something that just happened in advanced with the scheduler fucking up and me being too latent to fix it. I admit that I fucked up here, and it’s not about the fact that there was a post or the fact that I dropped the ball, they are completely justified in being upset, it’s that there was an entire ticket and good faith effort that I put in to try and both resolve and explain the issue. I promised going forward it wouldn’t happen again and I would make damn sure that there was official policy to stop this from happening (this is not the first time this has happened in advance!). It’s the fact that the post made literally no mention that admins were contacted and that the issue was attempted to be solved, in fact it made it sound like I made no effort to do anything. To be frank, it not only made me feel like shit, but I also questioned why I went through any effort to respond to it in the first place, as it felt as though my effort was completely ignored. They are in every right to ignore what I said, the thought I put into the entire situation, but it doesn’t stop me from feeling useless when it gets turned on my head publicly.

I think interactions like this, even those hidden in tickets and dispersed around the whispering of pugs, creates the mentality of it being extremely difficult to admin in this community. It feels like after turning every corner there is a massive brick wall that is the community perspective, and no matter what I do or what good faith effort is put in, it’s impossible to change.

However, I would like to reiterate here that it only seems this way from an admin perspective, and I don’t speak for everyone, though I do not think what I am saying is completely inaccurate. Despite what it may seem like, and I don’t have to say this, but I encourage people to keep posting on the forums with league issues if admins are incompetent. The league needs to be held accountable, though I ask that you show at least some courtesy to admins that put in logical, rule-based effort to help you out.
I would ask that people apply to RGL, but I cannot advocate that anyone become an admin after the interaction I had with a fellow member of staff just yesterday.

The highest member of staff actually, the owner, arcadia.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MV19efzlWwrCvZ7ZtFgPOfQGHkS_4IEd/view?usp=sharing
Make sure to download it to read it it's a mess in google drive preview lol.
Here is the entire ticket that you opened and had access too. I think we did an okay job of explaining what the issue was, and in the future it is imperative that it is standard that teams in the 4/bubble playoff spots have rematches if they are this close. Going to have to throw this in the rulebook and make this standard going forward, as was explained in the ticket. Acting like this was the only reason why your team did not make playoffs is also somewhat disingenuous.

Tl;dr from the ticket, the scheduler goes a little haywire with lower team counts and when matches get pushed from week to week.

I very much understand the frustration that teams are having when it comes to playing against someone they believe to be cheating. What I am offering is the best compromise I have for the time being, that is the delaying of advanced playoffs for the next week or two to give AC more time to make a decision. This is not an ideal situation, and I'm more frustrated that we couldn't get something better to work, but on such short notice this is what I have.

For some context, some (lightly modified) messages I sent to chell within the last hour:

"I have literally 0 control over when AC gets through their cases, if people have an issue with an alleged cheater playing there is no way for me individually to speed up the process. The barrier that we are faced with is that AC needs absolute refutable evidence that he is cheating, they have an extensive process for this and it is not simply limited to staring at a demo and measuring reaction time (not that this is an invalid way of checking someone is cheating, just saying it can be somewhat superficial)."

EDIT: That being said, I have no clue what their is involved in their process, I am no expert in the slightest, people should still submit demo ticks when they find stuff suspicious.

"Also being said, if teams decide to play Gilbert’s format, that’s fine and I understand the precedent, but at this time they will not be considered official matches. Refusal to play playoffs after a decision is made will likely result in forfeit penalties and loss of prize winnings."