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Drama Thread - Kritzkast
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#61
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Wiethoofddumb fuck typing

And then there's the following quality comments you've left in various threads across TFTV that should justify the ban in our twitch chat,
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Cannot believe you said things like "Nonces get the rope" And "stomp on racists". We here at Kritzkast don't Think that is very PC of you. And we will be Banning you. Good Day.

[quote=Wiethoofd]dumb fuck typing

And then there's the following quality comments you've left in various threads across TFTV that should justify the ban in our twitch chat,
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Cannot believe you said things like "Nonces get the rope" And "stomp on racists". We here at Kritzkast don't Think that is very PC of you. And we will be Banning you. Good Day.
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#62
-36 Frags +

lock this???

lock this???
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#63
payload.tf
9 Frags +
saclock this???

Why? This thread is (hopefully) going to get an answer to what seems to be a hot question. There's some obvious trolls, but there's some good conversation going about.

[quote=sac]lock this???[/quote]
Why? This thread is (hopefully) going to get an answer to what seems to be a hot question. There's some obvious trolls, but there's some good conversation going about.
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#64
26 Frags +
saclock this???

why? i've still recieved no rhyme or reason to the way agro acted. its all i care about and its not like we can "move to the DMs" since im blocked.

[quote=sac]lock this???[/quote]
why? i've still recieved no rhyme or reason to the way agro acted. its all i care about and its not like we can "move to the DMs" since im blocked.
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#65
KritzKast
-63 Frags +
plunki've still recieved no rhyme or reason to the way agro acted.

I'm sorry, I'm not completely familiar with these forums. Are you not able to see my previous responses or are choosing to deliberately not understand them? If you can't see how your continued efforts towards undermining KritzKast may have resulted in a ban on KritzKast's servers that's on you. I don't and at this point won't entertain you further. Good day sir.

[quote=plunk]
i've still recieved no rhyme or reason to the way agro acted. [/quote]

I'm sorry, I'm not completely familiar with these forums. Are you not able to see my previous responses or are choosing to deliberately not understand them? If you can't see how your continued efforts towards undermining KritzKast may have resulted in a ban on KritzKast's servers that's on you. I don't and at this point won't entertain you further. Good day sir.
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#66
CappingTV
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https://media.tenor.com/images/741f92758ba7f0802e572bc4bc184b73/tenor.gif

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#67
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Agroplunki've still recieved no rhyme or reason to the way agro acted.
I'm sorry, I'm not completely familiar with these forums. Are you not able to see my previous responses or are choosing to deliberately not understand them? If you can't see how your continued efforts towards undermining KritzKast may have resulted in a ban on KritzKast's servers that's on you. I don't and at this point won't entertain you further. Good day sir.

what you have said previously said makes no sense for a starter. such as your last post of Plunk, the doorstep shitter and cat pisser makes very little sense or your little "history" lesson that nobody cared for. you can shove this under the rug sure, whatever but its not me that you should be worrying about its all of YOUR staff messaging me thanking me for speaking out about how inept you are at your job, whatever it may be. you won't rebuttal what i say because you know you are in the wrong. rather than "manning up" and admitting you made a mistake by blocking me and making this public and furthering this than it ever had to be. in no way am i a "flag bearer" for someone to undermine kritzkast. i DISAGREE on how you run YOUR org and which you cannot take criticism for in a thread relating to the lockdown throwdown thread which already had people posting about it. derailing or not i don't care, it was a valid criticism for that thread as it related to your org and the vods afterwards. If i truly wished to undermine your org i would definitely would be trying harder that's for sure but i don't care what you put on stream, who casts, who produces, who makes the graphics or whatever it maybe. I take issue with YOU.

I am always available to talk this through if ever wish to continue this further down the line.

edit: the fact staff cant publicly criticise the org or whatever you want to call yourselves and must do it behind "closed doors" shows what type atmosphere you have around kritzkast.

[quote=Agro][quote=plunk]
i've still recieved no rhyme or reason to the way agro acted. [/quote]

I'm sorry, I'm not completely familiar with these forums. Are you not able to see my previous responses or are choosing to deliberately not understand them? If you can't see how your continued efforts towards undermining KritzKast may have resulted in a ban on KritzKast's servers that's on you. I don't and at this point won't entertain you further. Good day sir.[/quote]

what you have said previously said makes no sense for a starter. such as your last post of Plunk, the doorstep shitter and cat pisser makes very little sense or your little "history" lesson that nobody cared for. you can shove this under the rug sure, whatever but its not me that you should be worrying about its all of YOUR staff messaging me thanking me for speaking out about how inept you are at your job, whatever it may be. you won't rebuttal what i say because you know you are in the wrong. rather than "manning up" and admitting you made a mistake by blocking me and making this public and furthering this than it ever had to be. in no way am i a "flag bearer" for someone to undermine kritzkast. i DISAGREE on how you run YOUR org and which you cannot take criticism for in a thread relating to the lockdown throwdown thread which already had people posting about it. derailing or not i don't care, it was a valid criticism for that thread as it related to your org and the vods afterwards. If i truly wished to undermine your org i would definitely would be trying harder that's for sure but i don't care what you put on stream, who casts, who produces, who makes the graphics or whatever it maybe. I take issue with YOU.

I am always available to talk this through if ever wish to continue this further down the line.

edit: the fact staff cant publicly criticise the org or whatever you want to call yourselves and must do it behind "closed doors" shows what type atmosphere you have around kritzkast.
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#68
57 Frags +

i have had and continue to have many of bone to pick with KritzKast over the years for issues much beyond this here but continue to work with them purely in goodwill for the scene, and i can confidently say that the only thing "undermining KritzKast" is your own management of yourself and the community around you. There constantly is new issues people have with KritzKas somewhere, at what point do you realize its not everyone trying to ruing you but instead you actively making people dislike what KritzKast stands for in one way or another because of how they are treated.

I am no fan of blowing things out of proportions in public but i have to hear stuff privately or publicly so much with no change in behavior in sight, that a thread like this might just actually put a mirror in front of you.

i have had and continue to have many of bone to pick with KritzKast over the years for issues much beyond this here but continue to work with them purely in goodwill for the scene, and i can confidently say that the only thing "undermining KritzKast" is your own management of yourself and the community around you. There constantly is new issues people have with KritzKas somewhere, at what point do you realize its not everyone trying to ruing you but instead you actively making people dislike what KritzKast stands for in one way or another because of how they are treated.

I am no fan of blowing things out of proportions in public but i have to hear stuff privately or publicly so much with no change in behavior in sight, that a thread like this might just actually put a mirror in front of you.
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#69
24 Frags +

thank you plunk

thank you plunk
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#70
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#71
CappingTV
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Just throwing back to KK putting paywalls on VODs, where does the money go? Wiethoofd's wallet?

Just throwing back to KK putting paywalls on VODs, where does the money go? Wiethoofd's wallet?
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#72
5 Frags +

the money goes to talent and production when they reach twitch payout points, i would know since i received money this way twice before, obviously i cant tell you what they keep or dont but i would suggest you go back and have your production fights with other australians instead if you dont know what is going on

the money goes to talent and production when they reach twitch payout points, i would know since i received money this way twice before, obviously i cant tell you what they keep or dont but i would suggest you go back and have your production fights with other australians instead if you dont know what is going on
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#73
CappingTV
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DuMmTmthe money goes to talent and production when they reach twitch payout points, i would know since i received money this way twice before, obviously i cant tell you what they keep or dont but i would suggest you go back and have your production fights with other australians instead if you dont know what is going on

Ah, but isn't Kritzkast not-for-profit? i.e not not earning money for personal gain?

https://i.imgur.com/abDYkP5.png

[quote=DuMmTm]the money goes to talent and production when they reach twitch payout points, i would know since i received money this way twice before, obviously i cant tell you what they keep or dont but i would suggest you go back and have your production fights with other australians instead if you dont know what is going on[/quote]

Ah, but isn't Kritzkast [b]not-for-profit[/b]? i.e not not earning money for personal gain?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/abDYkP5.png[/img]
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#74
29 Frags +

this is literally just a debate on semantics and what exactly constitutes as For-Profit, they barely make enough to compensate staff like once a year, you think they make enough to make "profit" from tf2?
Surely it cant be that hard to criticize them for an actual reason

this is literally just a debate on semantics and what exactly constitutes as For-Profit, they barely make enough to compensate staff like once a year, you think they make enough to make "profit" from tf2?
Surely it cant be that hard to criticize them for an actual reason
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#75
KritzKast
-54 Frags +
plunkI take issue with YOU

If this is the crux of it then we're at an impasse. I can't muster enough effort to have any opinion of you and there's nothing more to be gained from this conversation for either of us. Good day to you sir.

[quote=plunk]I take issue with YOU[/quote]
If this is the crux of it then we're at an impasse. I can't muster enough effort to have any opinion of you and there's nothing more to be gained from this conversation for either of us. Good day to you sir.
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#76
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I just wanna game see people happy man, I hope this can get resolved within a year

I just wanna game see people happy man, I hope this can get resolved within a year
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#77
CappingTV
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DuMmTmthis is literally just a debate on semantics and what exactly constitutes as For-Profit, they barely make enough to compensate staff like once a year, you think they make enough to make "profit" from tf2?
Surely it cant be that hard to criticize them for an actual reason

The point is if you're a not-for-profit you shouldn't be distributing any revenue to yourself, that means all revenue from the Patreon, Twitch Subscriptions etc. should only go towards running the service, not personal gain.

[quote=DuMmTm]this is literally just a debate on semantics and what exactly constitutes as For-Profit, they barely make enough to compensate staff like once a year, you think they make enough to make "profit" from tf2?
Surely it cant be that hard to criticize them for an actual reason[/quote]
The point is if you're a not-for-profit you shouldn't be distributing any revenue to yourself, that means all revenue from the Patreon, Twitch Subscriptions etc. should only go towards running the service, not personal gain.
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#78
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AgroplunkI take issue with YOUIf this is the crux of it then we're at an impasse. I can't muster enough effort to have any opinion of you and there's nothing more to be gained from this conversation for either of us. Good day to you sir.

you are so petty its unbelievable. i'm glad you can show your true colours here with your incessant passive aggressiveness and condescending tone rather than actually discuss such issues.

[quote=Agro][quote=plunk]I take issue with YOU[/quote]
If this is the crux of it then we're at an impasse. I can't muster enough effort to have any opinion of you and there's nothing more to be gained from this conversation for either of us. Good day to you sir.[/quote]
you are so petty its unbelievable. i'm glad you can show your true colours here with your incessant passive aggressiveness and condescending tone rather than actually discuss such issues.
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#79
14 Frags +

whats your endgame here mitch, that they stop using the wrong term? big deal, but as you can clearly see above there is much more pressing matters here

whats your endgame here mitch, that they stop using the wrong term? big deal, but as you can clearly see above there is much more pressing matters here
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#80
24 Frags +
qbownKinda funny that you get banned for shit like this and then remember that KK had a known racist, homophobe, transphobe and every other funny title you can get as a long time caster while that guy was on his like 17th warning without ever getting removed/punished by them. Guess shitposting on tftv is worse than being a racist/homophobe..

KK in a nutshell:
personal grudges = ban
actual person harming the community = ehh

[quote=qbown]Kinda funny that you get banned for shit like this and then remember that KK had a known racist, homophobe, transphobe and every other funny title you can get as a long time caster while that guy was on his like 17th warning without ever getting removed/punished by them. Guess shitposting on tftv is worse than being a racist/homophobe..[/quote]
KK in a nutshell:
personal grudges = ban
actual person harming the community = ehh
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#81
43 Frags +

Not-for-profit does not mean nobody gets paid hahahah you do not understand that term

Not-for-profit does not mean nobody gets paid hahahah you do not understand that term
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#82
-11 Frags +

anyone else smoke weed here?

anyone else smoke weed here?
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#83
30 Frags +

For an organisation that seems to want to present itself as professional, KK is really unprofessional

After I complained privately to Wiet about a certain caster being proudly racist and transphobic, they gave them a "warning" (what's the point in a warning if nothing actually happens after several?) and then seemed to tell the caster who complained about them, seeing as the caster told me "stay mad"

For an organisation that seems to want to present itself as professional, KK is really unprofessional

After I complained privately to Wiet about a certain caster being proudly racist and transphobic, they gave them a "warning" (what's the point in a warning if nothing actually happens after several?) and then seemed to tell the caster who complained about them, seeing as the caster told me "stay mad"
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#84
16 Frags +
MitchDuMmTmthe money goes to talent and production when they reach twitch payout points, i would know since i received money this way twice before, obviously i cant tell you what they keep or dont but i would suggest you go back and have your production fights with other australians instead if you dont know what is going on
Ah, but isn't Kritzkast not-for-profit? i.e not not earning money for personal gain?

https://i.imgur.com/abDYkP5.png

mitch from this thread there's plenty of things to hit kritzkast on and a semantic debate about the revenue they bring/profit v nonprofit org is not one

[quote=Mitch][quote=DuMmTm]the money goes to talent and production when they reach twitch payout points, i would know since i received money this way twice before, obviously i cant tell you what they keep or dont but i would suggest you go back and have your production fights with other australians instead if you dont know what is going on[/quote]

Ah, but isn't Kritzkast [b]not-for-profit[/b]? i.e not not earning money for personal gain?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/abDYkP5.png[/img][/quote]
mitch from this thread there's plenty of things to hit kritzkast on and a semantic debate about the revenue they bring/profit v nonprofit org is not one
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#85
15 Frags +
AgroplunkI take issue with YOUI'm stupid. Good day to you sir.
[quote=Agro][quote=plunk]I take issue with YOU[/quote]
I'm stupid. Good day to you sir.[/quote]
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#86
36 Frags +

Not to bandwagon but literally last night I realised that the Kritzkast channel, which to be fair is agro's channel that he owns, was literally being used as his own channel and being used to chat in random streams, see the below screenshot. I didn't doctor this or anything, the timestamped vod (thanks tom) can be found here with chat for a while: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/741093305?t=3h40m0s

Of course he can use the channel in whatever way he feels, but I personally feel that using what is suppose to be an organisation's channel for personal use is a bit weird. You don't see enigma popping into channels as tftv or arch as essentials, just my two cents though.

https://i.imgur.com/jNO90UU.png

Not to bandwagon but literally last night I realised that the Kritzkast channel, which to be fair is agro's channel that he owns, was literally being used as his own channel and being used to chat in random streams, see the below screenshot. I didn't doctor this or anything, the timestamped vod (thanks tom) can be found here with chat for a while: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/741093305?t=3h40m0s

Of course he can use the channel in whatever way he feels, but I personally feel that using what is suppose to be an organisation's channel for personal use is a bit weird. You don't see enigma popping into channels as tftv or arch as essentials, just my two cents though.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/jNO90UU.png[/img]
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#87
22 Frags +
_KermitYou don't see enigma popping into channels as tftv or arch as essentials, just my two cents though.

honestly it would be sort of funny to see lange doing his shitposting with the toth account in a twitch stream

[quote=_Kermit]You don't see enigma popping into channels as tftv or arch as essentials, just my two cents though.[/quote]

honestly it [i]would[/i] be sort of funny to see lange doing his shitposting with the toth account in a twitch stream
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#88
KritzKast
-52 Frags +
_Kermitlast night I realised that the Kritzkast channel, which to be fair is agro's channel that he owns, was literally being used as his own channel and being used to chat in random streams,

Yeah I often go around the low number streamers, saying "hi" and helping out if I can with audio settings and what not. Just being a human. To be honest I don't know why she was struggling with the concept, I think she was on tier 4 pub, would have thought she'd heard of surfing by now. But some some people only ever play one map or one class for the entirety of their TF2 lives.

_Kermit You don't see enigma popping into channels as tftv or arch as essentials

No, you're right. I've never seen that either. Maybe the grand community would seem a friendlier place if we all made the effort to help out streamers without being afraid of being seen.

I didn't see you talking in her chat. She a friend of yours?

FYI I also use the account to go to larger streamers and to watch streams of people who've previously been associated with TF2 but aren't anymore. Same with the KritzKast twitter. It's one of the huge advantages KritzKast has over pretty much all of the other streaming groups, we came from community so going back out there and interacting with the wider world gets our name seen by more than just hardcore players. Hopefully, we occassionaly bring someone back to the game and in doing so their fans get to see that TF2 is still alive.

edit; and not as toxic as it's sometimes portrayed to be

[quote=_Kermit]last night I realised that the Kritzkast channel, which to be fair is agro's channel that he owns, was literally being used as his own channel and being used to chat in random streams, [/quote]
Yeah I often go around the low number streamers, saying "hi" and helping out if I can with audio settings and what not. Just being a human. To be honest I don't know why she was struggling with the concept, I think she was on tier 4 pub, would have thought she'd heard of surfing by now. But some some people only ever play one map or one class for the entirety of their TF2 lives.
[quote=_Kermit] You don't see enigma popping into channels as tftv or arch as essentials[/quote]
No, you're right. I've never seen that either. Maybe the grand community would seem a friendlier place if we all made the effort to help out streamers without being afraid of being seen.

I didn't see you talking in her chat. She a friend of yours?

FYI I also use the account to go to larger streamers and to watch streams of people who've previously been associated with TF2 but aren't anymore. Same with the KritzKast twitter. It's one of the huge advantages KritzKast has over pretty much all of the other streaming groups, we came from community so going back out there and interacting with the wider world gets our name seen by more than just hardcore players. Hopefully, we occassionaly bring someone back to the game and in doing so their fans get to see that TF2 is still alive.

[i]edit; and not as toxic as it's sometimes portrayed to be[/i]
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#89
55 Frags +
AgroYeah I often go around the low number streamers, saying "hi" and helping out if I can with audio settings and what not. Just being a human.AgroNo, you're right. I've never seen that either. Maybe the grand community would seem a friendlier place if we all made the effort to help out streamers without being afraid of being seen.

Are you intentionally not understanding what they're saying?

[quote=Agro]Yeah I often go around the low number streamers, saying "hi" and helping out if I can with audio settings and what not. Just being a human.[/quote]

[quote=Agro]No, you're right. I've never seen that either. Maybe the grand community would seem a friendlier place if we all made the effort to help out streamers without being afraid of being seen.[/quote]

Are you [i]intentionally[/i] not understanding what they're saying?
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#90
19 Frags +

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