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froyotech benched from playing as a team in RGL
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#151
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CrazyyCowsigafoo
All players can play vidya games if want to, nothing is stopping them from registering in our league within our rules and if we had a majority of players wanting to play. We'd increase the restrictions we put into place.
Forgive me if i'm wrong here, but I dont think there are more than 7 teams of a tier anywhere near froyotech that every player can join. Essentially you are banning at least half of froyotech from playing or forcing them to play on a team not anywhere near their skill level.

All players can play vidya games if want to, nothing is stopping them from registering in our league within our rules and if we had a majority of players wanting to play. We'd [lower] the restrictions we put into place.

Poor phrasing.

[quote=CrazyyCow][quote=sigafoo]

All players can play vidya games if want to, nothing is stopping them from registering in our league within our rules and if we had a majority of players wanting to play. We'd increase the restrictions we put into place.
[/quote]
Forgive me if i'm wrong here, but I dont think there are more than 7 teams of a tier anywhere near froyotech that every player can join. Essentially you are banning at least half of froyotech from playing or forcing them to play on a team not anywhere near their skill level.[/quote]

All players can play vidya games if want to, nothing is stopping them from registering in our league within our rules and [b]if we had a majority of players wanting to play. We'd [lower] the restrictions we put into place.[/b]

Poor phrasing.
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#152
-3 Frags +

also to add to the fun, Prolander registrations have been extended. There's currently four less teams in invite than last season.
http://rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1088

also to add to the fun, Prolander registrations have been extended. There's currently four less teams in invite than last season.
http://rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1088
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#153
22 Frags +

so what will the discussion look like if b4nny's team wins anyway, even with players who "aren't as good"

so what will the discussion look like if b4nny's team wins anyway, even with players who "aren't as good"
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#154
-16 Frags +
Mitch_also to add to the fun,
Prolander registrations have been extended, there's now four less teams in invite than last season.
http://rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1088

Last season we didn't have a div-1, we decided to merge the Div-1 into Invite. So we had 8 teams in Invite.

Currently, we have 4 invite teams and 8 Div-1 teams, so a total of 12 overall. So that'd be more than last season.

Overall between NA and EU, we're expecting to grow about 30-50% from our last seasons depending on how many of the teams fill out. And in Australia our league, we have more teams in our first season than UGC had in HL teams.

Getawhaleso what will the discussion look like if b4nny's team wins anyway, even with players who "aren't as good"

The same conversation that happens after this ESEA season. When talent isn't stacked onto one team, but you have it distributed onto multiple (see froyo black). Did that make the league better?

[quote=Mitch_]also to add to the fun,
Prolander registrations have been extended, there's now four less teams in invite than last season.
http://rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1088[/quote]

Last season we didn't have a div-1, we decided to merge the Div-1 into Invite. So we had 8 teams in Invite.

Currently, we have 4 invite teams and 8 Div-1 teams, so a total of 12 overall. So that'd be more than last season.

Overall between NA and EU, we're expecting to grow about 30-50% from our last seasons depending on how many of the teams fill out. And in Australia our league, we have more teams in our first season than UGC had in HL teams.

[quote=Getawhale]so what will the discussion look like if b4nny's team wins anyway, even with players who "aren't as good"[/quote]

The same conversation that happens after this ESEA season. When talent isn't stacked onto one team, but you have it distributed onto multiple (see froyo black). Did that make the league better?
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#155
1 Frags +

Can someone explain what the actual rule is?

Can someone explain what the actual rule is?
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#156
23 Frags +
sigafoob4nny is playing this season,

and none of the other affected players are

[quote=sigafoo]b4nny is playing this season,[/quote]

and [url=https://imgur.com/a/thak8Ey]none of the other affected players[/url] are
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#157
17 Frags +

Literally everyone, including myself, trying to argue with someone who is convinced he is right under all circumstances.
His replies/ arguments seem logical but its just mincing words. I can see through that crap and given up even trying to continue. I suggest the same to the rest of you.

Literally everyone, including myself, trying to argue with someone who is convinced he is right under all circumstances.
His replies/ arguments seem logical but its just mincing words. I can see through that crap and given up even trying to continue. I suggest the same to the rest of you.
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#158
-26 Frags +
SpaceCadetLiterally everyone, including myself, trying to argue with someone who is convinced he is right under all circumstances.
His replies/ arguments seem logical but its just mincing words. I can see through that crap and given up even trying to continue. I suggest the same to the rest of you.

I don't think I'm right under all circumstances. If you read through the few posts on here. I've admitted multiple times, that we may be wrong. I've spoken openly about how the rule is not implemented well and literally, the end of the article has an entire section with the header "We could be wrong." Because at RGL, we're not afraid to take chances and be wrong (but learn something along the way.) Even in that article, there are a couple rule changes from mistakes we made in the past that we openly talk about.

I'm not sure what you're huffing about. All I did is took your hyperbole of hypotheticals and looked up the actual facts behind it. That's not me "convinced I'm right all time." That's me pointing out how your hypotheticals are not only misguided, but they don't even apply and to some degree even go against your own argument when you actually look up when rules were implemented.

You can paint me as many things and this forum does, and more, but if you're going to try to paint me as someone who doesn't listen and is convinced their right. I'm pretty sure that's just you. I've shown the ability to listen, adapt and change opinions, but you're still spouting the same ignorant viewpoints about me because I shot down a poor argument by you.

The thing is, most people on here are starting at a different place. They're okay with Froyotech's overwhelming dominance and the gap from 1st to 2nd place. They don't see any major issue with that. Which is a fine and valid way to look at the game. Obviously, everyone prefers a competitive and healthy ecosystem, but the question is... should leagues ever step in to help correct it. That's where the difference really comes in and virtually all professional NA sports leagues have stepped in to correct it. We're trying to figure out if we can, how do we do it, does it work and if so did it make the league better?

That's not me convinced I'm right all the time. That's me unsure and wanting to try out something new and then learn from the experience to make better decisions in the future.

[quote=SpaceCadet]Literally everyone, including myself, trying to argue with someone who is convinced he is right under all circumstances.
His replies/ arguments seem logical but its just mincing words. I can see through that crap and given up even trying to continue. I suggest the same to the rest of you.[/quote]

I don't think I'm right under all circumstances. If you read through the few posts on here. I've admitted multiple times, that we may be wrong. I've spoken openly about how the rule is not implemented well and literally, the end of the article has an entire section with the header "We could be wrong." Because at RGL, we're not afraid to take chances and be wrong (but learn something along the way.) Even in that article, there are a couple rule changes from mistakes we made in the past that we openly talk about.

I'm not sure what you're huffing about. All I did is took [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/49477/froyotech-benched-from-playing-as-a-team-in-rgl/?page=5#143]your hyperbole of hypotheticals and looked up the actual facts behind it[/url]. That's not me "convinced I'm right all time." That's me pointing out how your hypotheticals are not only misguided, but they don't even apply and to some degree even go against your own argument when you actually look up when rules were implemented.

You can paint me as many things and this forum does, and more, but if you're going to try to paint me as someone who doesn't listen and is convinced their right. I'm pretty sure that's just you. I've shown the ability to listen, adapt and change opinions, but you're still spouting the same ignorant viewpoints about me because I shot down a poor argument by you.


The thing is, most people on here are starting at a different place. They're okay with Froyotech's overwhelming dominance and the gap from 1st to 2nd place. They don't see any major issue with that. Which is a fine and valid way to look at the game. Obviously, everyone prefers a competitive and healthy ecosystem, but the question is... should leagues ever step in to help correct it. That's where the difference really comes in and virtually all professional NA sports leagues have stepped in to correct it. We're trying to figure out if we can, how do we do it, does it work and if so did it make the league better?

That's not me convinced I'm right all the time. That's me unsure and wanting to try out something new and then learn from the experience to make better decisions in the future.
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#159
14 Frags +

the best team should be the best team. idk what's weird about wanting that

the best team should be the best team. idk what's weird about wanting that
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#160
13 Frags +

Imagine grinding for thousands of hours, perfecting strategies, dedicating incredible amounts of time and effort to being the best and dominating a league, only to have the owner of the league come along and stop you from playing with any of your teammates in that league because you were too good.

It's so pathetic, and sigafoo seriously thinks that forcefully disbanding the best team in the league would even work? I think he imagines that the members of froyo will just say 'yeah sure, let's each pick up 6 shitters and tryhard in this mickey mouse league' instead of just leaving his league and switching to one that doesn't punish skill. What if one of the new teams gets too good? Will they just get disbanded again? Do second and third place teams have a reason or goal to improve much anymore? Why would anyone want to join the league in the long-term if there's a chance of being disbanded for being the best? It's just so pathetic that I can't even list all the reasons why it's so bad, it would just take too long.

Imagine grinding for thousands of hours, perfecting strategies, dedicating incredible amounts of time and effort to being the best and dominating a league, only to have the owner of the league come along and stop you from playing with any of your teammates in that league because you were too good.

It's so pathetic, and sigafoo seriously thinks that forcefully disbanding the best team in the league would even work? I think he imagines that the members of froyo will just say 'yeah sure, let's each pick up 6 shitters and tryhard in this mickey mouse league' instead of just leaving his league and switching to one that doesn't punish skill. What if one of the new teams gets too good? Will they just get disbanded again? Do second and third place teams have a reason or goal to improve much anymore? Why would anyone want to join the league in the long-term if there's a chance of being disbanded for being the best? It's just so pathetic that I can't even list all the reasons why it's so bad, it would just take too long.
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#161
-8 Frags +

Froyotech is simply the Yankees of TF2. This is good for TF2. It needs to be exposed, incite new competition to come in and steal the spotlight. Disagree with banning them from competing outright together, that is quite toxic for any team that likes each other. At best, if they have agreed to this without much protest, I would have instead suggested they declare a break for that season with the promise of a nicely discounted league fee for when they wish to return.

Froyotech is simply the Yankees of TF2. This is good for TF2. It needs to be exposed, incite new competition to come in and steal the spotlight. Disagree with banning them from competing outright together, that is quite toxic for any team that likes each other. At best, if they have agreed to this without much protest, I would have instead suggested they declare a break for that season with the promise of a nicely discounted league fee for when they wish to return.
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#162
18 Frags +

when you want to redistribute talent but the talent just boycotts your league in return

when you want to redistribute talent but the talent just boycotts your league in return
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#163
11 Frags +
sigafooThe thing is, most people on here are starting at a different place. They're okay with Froyotech's overwhelming dominance and the gap from 1st to 2nd place. They don't see any major issue with that. Which is a fine and valid way to look at the game.

You just admitted that most players do not agree with this decision, so don’t be so combative when you receive massive backlash, especially when it affects very well known and popular community figureheads.

Also, you constantly saying ‘I could be wrong’, ‘this rule goes too far’ etc. and then not amending the rule is at best laughably idiotic (I definitely had a good laugh when I read that) or at worst you seemingly not changing the rule out of spite towards the community.

[quote=sigafoo]
The thing is, most people on here are starting at a different place. They're okay with Froyotech's overwhelming dominance and the gap from 1st to 2nd place. They don't see any major issue with that. Which is a fine and valid way to look at the game. [/quote]
You just admitted that most players do not agree with this decision, so don’t be so combative when you receive massive backlash, especially when it affects very well known and popular community figureheads.

Also, you constantly saying ‘I could be wrong’, ‘this rule goes too far’ etc. and then not amending the rule is at best laughably idiotic (I definitely had a good laugh when I read that) or at worst you seemingly not changing the rule out of spite towards the community.
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#164
-18 Frags +

yeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.

yeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.
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#165
12 Frags +
sacyeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.

why tf would u play in a league that makes these type of decisions? i don't think sigafoo is contributing ANYTHING with RGL, it's not only pointlessly splitting the comp community but also supports anything but 6's which the majority has accepted as the main competetive format for tf2. let alone banning a team because they are beating the competition in a competition.

[quote=sac]yeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.[/quote]
why tf would u play in a league that makes these type of decisions? i don't think sigafoo is contributing ANYTHING with RGL, it's not only pointlessly splitting the comp community but also supports anything but 6's which the majority has accepted as the main competetive format for tf2. let alone banning a team because they are beating the competition in a competition.
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#166
18 Frags +
sacyeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.

https://imgur.com/a/jS54EOw

[quote=sac]yeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.[/quote]
https://imgur.com/a/jS54EOw
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#167
4 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/k00WdJH.png

[img]https://i.imgur.com/k00WdJH.png[/img]
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#168
17 Frags +

With FROYOtech (11teams)

https://i.imgur.com/z0FQJGH.png

Without FROYOtech (5teams)

https://i.imgur.com/IuHcIxn.png

LOOOOOL

https://i.imgur.com/yBMeEFs.png

Now giiving yearly paychecks to b4nny wouldnt seem like a bad idea right sigafoo?

With FROYOtech (11teams)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/z0FQJGH.png[/img]

Without FROYOtech (5teams)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/IuHcIxn.png[/img]

LOOOOOL
[img]https://i.imgur.com/yBMeEFs.png[/img]
Now giiving yearly paychecks to b4nny wouldnt seem like a bad idea right sigafoo?
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#169
-23 Frags +
directstar1With FROYOtech (11teams)
https://i.imgur.com/z0FQJGH.png

Without FROYOtech (5teams)
https://i.imgur.com/IuHcIxn.png

LOOOOOL
https://i.imgur.com/yBMeEFs.png
Now giiving yearly paychecks to b4nny wouldnt seem like a bad idea right sigafoo?

From earlier on this page

sigafooLast season we didn't have a div-1, we decided to merge the Div-1 into Invite. So we had 8 teams in Invite [last season]. [We also paid out to 6 places in Invite, rather than 2 or 3 as we are this season.]

Currently, we have 4 invite teams and 8 Div-1 teams, so a total of 12 overall. So that'd be more than last season.

Overall between NA and EU, we're expecting to grow about 30-50% from our last seasons depending on how many of the teams fill out. And in Australia our league, we have more teams in our first season than UGC had in HL teams.

---

YeeHawYou just admitted that most players do not agree with this decision, so don’t be so combative when you receive massive backlash, especially when it affects very well known and popular community figureheads.

Also, you constantly saying ‘I could be wrong’, ‘this rule goes too far’ etc. and then not amending the rule is at best laughably idiotic (I definitely had a good laugh when I read that) or at worst you seemingly not changing the rule out of spite towards the community.

I definitely think the majority of players on tf.tv don't agree with me. I've received several messages through DM's (not on tftv) of people expressing gratitude for me making the decision as well.

To be frank, I don't tend to listen to tf.tv opinions anymore, they've been historically very wrong on everything I've done. From claiming that Prolander would never work as a format, for many reasons, including that it'd be too slow. It's not. From claiming that if I just put my money in sixes it would help/fix sixes. It wouldn't (see essentials cup.) That my format is tearing the community apart. It's not. That my league will never take off. It did and is now on three continents. That RGLHL will tear the HL community apart, it didn't. We about 70% of the HL community in the RGL league and HL should actually sustain or slightly grow overall this season. Which is pretty fantastic for this late in TF2, compared to the previous season where sixes and HL both lost about 15% of their players.

When it comes to controversial decisions, this forums seems to consistently be on the wrong side of history.

And then, historically, when I don't change my mind to be more in line with sixes players on tftv who have no interest in a competitive format with all classes being viable. I get labeled as doing things out of "spite," because I don't carry their same perspective and am not afraid to follow through on my actions.

I listen to the Prolander community very much. I'm a very hands-on admin and like to interact with my community fairly often. Their opinions carry much more weight with me, then opinions on here, as they should. Which is why I rarely start threads here, since you guys are not my target audience. Still, this forum often likes to speak hyperbole about me. So I occasionally come back to correct the ignorant statements being made about me, my format or my league. And by doing that, I get label as spiteful, refusing to listen, etc...

And so when I say things like "I could be wrong," but still follow through. It's because we still believe that leagues stepping in to help balance out an unhealthy competitive ecosystem is the right step. We could be wrong on that, but we're going to follow through to find out. Many of you are firm in that leagues should never step in ever and we're curious what happens if a league does. From our own community, we've seen a much more balanced response than here. If our community was fully against this, then we'd almost certainly not have gone through with it.

So then the question is how do we do this? Which is why I'm open that I don't think our implementation is correct. To target one team and why I've called this a temporary measure, as it's not sustainable nor should it be repeated. And once this season is done, we can talk about whether or not it was the correct decision, did it help as intended. etc... And adapt, grow or abandon it based on the results.

[quote=directstar1]With FROYOtech (11teams)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/z0FQJGH.png[/img]

Without FROYOtech (5teams)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/IuHcIxn.png[/img]

LOOOOOL
[img]https://i.imgur.com/yBMeEFs.png[/img]
Now giiving yearly paychecks to b4nny wouldnt seem like a bad idea right sigafoo?[/quote]

From earlier on this page
[quote=sigafoo]
Last season we didn't have a div-1, we decided to merge the Div-1 into Invite. So we had 8 teams in Invite [last season]. [We also paid out to 6 places in Invite, rather than 2 or 3 as we are this season.]

Currently, we have 4 invite teams and 8 Div-1 teams, so a total of 12 overall. So that'd be more than last season.

Overall between NA and EU, we're expecting to grow about 30-50% from our last seasons depending on how many of the teams fill out. And in Australia our league, we have more teams in our first season than UGC had in HL teams.
[/quote]

---

[quote=YeeHaw]You just admitted that most players do not agree with this decision, so don’t be so combative when you receive massive backlash, especially when it affects very well known and popular community figureheads.

Also, you constantly saying ‘I could be wrong’, ‘this rule goes too far’ etc. and then not amending the rule is at best laughably idiotic (I definitely had a good laugh when I read that) or at worst you seemingly not changing the rule out of spite towards the community.[/quote]

I definitely think the majority of players on tf.tv don't agree with me. I've received several messages through DM's (not on tftv) of people expressing gratitude for me making the decision as well.

To be frank, I don't tend to listen to tf.tv opinions anymore, they've been historically very wrong on everything I've done. From claiming that Prolander would never work as a format, for many reasons, including that it'd be too slow. It's not. From claiming that if I just put my money in sixes it would help/fix sixes. It wouldn't (see essentials cup.) That my format is tearing the community apart. It's not. That my league will never take off. It did and is now on three continents. That RGLHL will tear the HL community apart, it didn't. We about 70% of the HL community in the RGL league and HL should actually sustain or slightly grow overall this season. Which is pretty fantastic for this late in TF2, compared to the previous season where sixes and HL both lost about 15% of their players.

When it comes to controversial decisions, this forums seems to consistently be on the wrong side of history.

And then, historically, when I don't change my mind to be more in line with sixes players on tftv who have no interest in a competitive format with all classes being viable. I get labeled as doing things out of "spite," because I don't carry their same perspective and am not afraid to follow through on my actions.

I listen to the Prolander community very much. I'm a very hands-on admin and like to interact with my community fairly often. Their opinions carry much more weight with me, then opinions on here, as they should. Which is why I rarely start threads here, since you guys are not my target audience. Still, this forum often likes to speak hyperbole about me. So I occasionally come back to correct the ignorant statements being made about me, my format or my league. And by doing that, I get label as spiteful, refusing to listen, etc...


And so when I say things like "I could be wrong," but still follow through. It's because we still believe that leagues stepping in to help balance out an unhealthy competitive ecosystem is the right step. We could be wrong on that, but we're going to follow through to find out. Many of you are firm in that leagues should never step in ever and we're curious what happens if a league does. From our own community, we've seen a much more balanced response than here. If our community was fully against this, then we'd almost certainly not have gone through with it.

So then the question is how do we do this? Which is why I'm open that I don't think our implementation is correct. To target one team and why I've called this a temporary measure, as it's not sustainable nor should it be repeated. And once this season is done, we can talk about whether or not it was the correct decision, did it help as intended. etc... And adapt, grow or abandon it based on the results.
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#170
-6 Frags +
JORDYsacyeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.why tf would u play in a league that makes these type of decisions? i don't think sigafoo is contributing ANYTHING with RGL, it's not only pointlessly splitting the comp community but also supports anything but 6's which the majority has accepted as the main competetive format for tf2. let alone banning a team because they are beating the competition in a competition.

your argument is retarded, becuase it implies if you play in his league you can't suddenly play in another league. What kind of tard logic is that tbh. Point out one player who quit playing 6s because rgl.gg became a thing who else would have kept playing 6s.

It's also p ironic to dis anime avatars and use a template from a cartoon network show, the worst generic cartoon producer, for the biggest manchildren crowd.

[quote=JORDY][quote=sac]yeehaw you don't even play in the league he made the rule for, so you are just being toxic under the guise of indignation out of malice, why would he consider your opinion in the decision making if the only reason you react is to flame someone who actually contributes to the community with money and a league he organised.[/quote]
why tf would u play in a league that makes these type of decisions? i don't think sigafoo is contributing ANYTHING with RGL, it's not only pointlessly splitting the comp community but also supports anything but 6's which the majority has accepted as the main competetive format for tf2. let alone banning a team because they are beating the competition in a competition.[/quote]
your argument is retarded, becuase it implies if you play in his league you can't suddenly play in another league. What kind of tard logic is that tbh. Point out one player who quit playing 6s because rgl.gg became a thing who else would have kept playing 6s.

It's also p ironic to dis anime avatars and use a template from a cartoon network show, the worst generic cartoon producer, for the biggest manchildren crowd.
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#171
5 Frags +

yeah get fucked you spackers sigafoo is right

yeah get fucked you spackers sigafoo is right
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#172
-4 Frags +
sigafoostuffs

You dont get a joke, do you?

[quote=sigafoo]stuffs[/quote]
You dont get a joke, do you?
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#173
39 Frags +
sigafooThe only reason we consider this option is due to the fact that almost all the players are doing this for fun on the side. If you're talking about paid athletics, doing this for a full-time job, this decision would be awful.

maybe you should just remove the prize pool altogether, then you would really get people who are playing for fun

[quote=sigafoo]The only reason we consider this option is due to the fact that almost all the players are doing this for fun on the side. If you're talking about paid athletics, doing this for a full-time job, this decision would be awful.[/quote]
maybe you should just remove the prize pool altogether, then you would really get people who are playing for fun
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#174
6 Frags +

wont daffodil win everything now

wont daffodil win everything now
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#175
42 Frags +
sigafooWhen it comes to controversial decisions, this forums seems to consistently be on the wrong side of history.

Did you really just link both Pred/Degu threads in that sentence? Did you REALLY just try to compare threads about toxicity, sexual harassment, and the treatment of minorities in tf2... TO US COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR DECISION TO BAN FROYOTECH?

Sigafoo, what in the hell are you doing? I know RGL responded immeadiately to the controversy and made clear its stance on treating fellow players with respect, so it can’t be that you didn’t take those incidents seriously. I’m left thinking that you think your idiotic rule is even remotely of equal caliber of importance and severity as actual sexual harassment, transphobic behavior, racism, etc. Why bring that whole mess up when we’re having a discussion about RGL? Where the heck is your sense of scale?

I’ll be honest, I find RGL 7’s kind of interesting. It’s definitely not something we’re used to seeing, and I appreciate it for that at the very least. I still prefer 6’s, but I sometimes tune in to an RGL match if I think it’s gonna be good. I don’t think I fall in the category of people who objectively hate your league and format, but you know what turns me off from RGL sometimes? It’s all this idiotic stuff you do!

You go to the ends of Earth to defend and justify everything your league does, and it’s actually just outright dumb sometimes. I don’t need you to tell me how great a format Prolander is on commentary when I’m ALREADY WATCHING THE MATCH. And then, outside of matches, I see the league administrator constantly get in these idiotic fights on tf.tv and pull out this hyperbole comparing sexual harassment to a rule change. Really?

sigafooSo I occasionally come back to correct the ignorant statements being made about me, my format or my league. And by doing that, I get label as spiteful, refusing to listen, etc...

Dude. Relax. People are going to criticize you, especially in your position. Whatever controversy you generate, you doing idiotic shit like you’re doing right now is just gonna compound everything for you. This incessant need to defend and justify yourself and RGL isn’t doing you any favors. Heck, if you didn’t keep responding here, the thread would probably already be dead.

Also I’m still mad you even brought up those threads in this one. Seriously, this isn’t nearly as important.

[quote=sigafoo]
When it comes to controversial decisions, this forums seems to consistently be on the [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/49001/ban-pred-and-degu]wrong[/url] [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/49021/ban-pred-and-degu-v2]side[/url] of history.
[/quote]

Did you really just link both Pred/Degu threads in that sentence? Did you REALLY just try to compare threads about toxicity, sexual harassment, and the treatment of minorities in tf2... TO US COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR DECISION TO BAN FROYOTECH?

Sigafoo, what in the hell are you doing? I know RGL responded immeadiately to the controversy and made clear its stance on treating fellow players with respect, so it can’t be that you didn’t take those incidents seriously. I’m left thinking that you think your idiotic rule is even remotely of equal caliber of importance and severity as actual sexual harassment, transphobic behavior, racism, etc. Why bring that whole mess up when we’re having a discussion about RGL? Where the heck is your sense of scale?

I’ll be honest, I find RGL 7’s kind of interesting. It’s definitely not something we’re used to seeing, and I appreciate it for that at the very least. I still prefer 6’s, but I sometimes tune in to an RGL match if I think it’s gonna be good. I don’t think I fall in the category of people who objectively hate your league and format, but you know what turns me off from RGL sometimes? It’s all this idiotic stuff you do!

You go to the ends of Earth to defend and justify everything your league does, and it’s actually just outright dumb sometimes. I don’t need you to tell me how great a format Prolander is on commentary when I’m ALREADY WATCHING THE MATCH. And then, outside of matches, I see the league administrator constantly get in these idiotic fights on tf.tv and pull out this hyperbole comparing sexual harassment to a rule change. Really?

[quote=sigafoo]
So I occasionally come back to correct the ignorant statements being made about me, my format or my league. And by doing that, I get label as spiteful, refusing to listen, etc...
[/quote]

Dude. Relax. People are going to criticize you, especially in your position. Whatever controversy you generate, you doing idiotic shit like you’re doing right now is just gonna compound everything for you. This incessant need to defend and justify yourself and RGL isn’t doing you any favors. Heck, if you didn’t keep responding here, the thread would probably already be dead.

Also I’m still mad you even brought up those threads in this one. Seriously, this isn’t nearly as important.
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#176
-11 Frags +
gibussigafooThe only reason we consider this option is due to the fact that almost all the players are doing this for fun on the side. If you're talking about paid athletics, doing this for a full-time job, this decision would be awful.maybe you should just remove the prize pool altogether, then you would really get people who are playing for fun

That's the majority of our player base. About 83% of players playing Prolander in our leagues right now are playing in divisions with no prize pool.

[quote=gibus][quote=sigafoo]The only reason we consider this option is due to the fact that almost all the players are doing this for fun on the side. If you're talking about paid athletics, doing this for a full-time job, this decision would be awful.[/quote]
maybe you should just remove the prize pool altogether, then you would really get people who are playing for fun[/quote]

That's the majority of our player base. About 83% of players playing Prolander in our leagues right now are playing in divisions with no prize pool.
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#177
-13 Frags +

I honestly dont feel like writing an essay about how cringe sigafoo and his league are, but I will just leave this picture which is more than 1000 words to describe how delusional and absurd a human being like Sigafoo really is.

Have a nice day everyone!

https://i.imgur.com/cCRXVmG.png

I honestly dont feel like writing an essay about how cringe sigafoo and his league are, but I will just leave this picture which is more than 1000 words to describe how delusional and absurd a human being like Sigafoo really is.

Have a nice day everyone!
[img]https://i.imgur.com/cCRXVmG.png[/img]
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#178
4 Frags +

I went through this thread again, and I feel really bad for sigafoo
Sigafoo has and is putting an immense amount of time to defend his actions and grow the community. Some of the insults he has been getting (me included) are quite unnecessary. Maybe get behind him or at least give him productive feedback, as he is putting his time and effort to listen and give his thoughts.
You complained about him not caring or listening to the community, but his action to remove froyotech is helping grow a competitive environment, and is done for no other reason, removing froyo doesnt save him any money or anything, he just wants to see a more competitive platform(however he could have approached it differently (ex: what funke said)), and he is also acknowledging everyone's criticism professionally. If we want TF2 to grow, this is not how it should be done. Sigafoo is a significant part of this community, and like all of us, he cares about it. Get behind him

I went through this thread again, and I feel really bad for sigafoo
Sigafoo has and is putting an immense amount of time to defend his actions and grow the community. Some of the insults he has been getting (me included) are quite unnecessary. Maybe get behind him or at least give him productive feedback, as he is putting his time and effort to listen and give his thoughts.
You complained about him not caring or listening to the community, but his action to remove froyotech is helping grow a competitive environment, and is done for no other reason, removing froyo doesnt save him any money or anything, he just wants to see a more competitive platform(however he could have approached it differently (ex: what funke said)), and he is also acknowledging everyone's criticism professionally. If we want TF2 to grow, this is not how it should be done. Sigafoo is a significant part of this community, and like all of us, he cares about it. Get behind him
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#179
7 Frags +
sigafooThat's the majority of our player base. About 83% of players playing Prolander in our leagues right now are playing in divisions with no prize pool.

That’s not the point he’s trying to make, he’s talking about invite players who play 6s or HL as their primary game mode who are playing 7s for the money. Take away the money and there’s really no point in playing in this league for the invite players because it takes away time from their primary game mode
Of course you can negate what I’m saying here by polling the invite players and ask what their preferred game mode is (6s, 7s, 9s) and prove me wrong, but I doubt I’m wrong

[quote=sigafoo]That's the majority of our player base. About 83% of players playing Prolander in our leagues right now are playing in divisions with no prize pool.[/quote]
That’s not the point he’s trying to make, he’s talking about invite players who play 6s or HL as their primary game mode who are playing 7s for the money. Take away the money and there’s really no point in playing in this league for the invite players because it takes away time from their primary game mode
Of course you can negate what I’m saying here by polling the invite players and ask what their preferred game mode is (6s, 7s, 9s) and prove me wrong, but I doubt I’m wrong
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#180
-5 Frags +

bro sigafoo really out here hemorrhaging frags

bro sigafoo really out here hemorrhaging frags
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