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RGL.gg is coming to Europe with a $1,000 prizepool
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#31
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dont

dont
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#32
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povwhy not put this 1000 dollars into a 6s tournament. you have the connections, you could easily donate this money to ESEA for the invite div to encourage more invite teams to play the already most popular mode (which by the way is time tested for 10 years) but instead you really want to push this mode that fractures the community moreso than it already is, and for what? do you genuinely believe this thing you came up with, that -- to be blunt -- is not radically different at all, is a better competitive format for TF2? valve has set their mind on 6s, you should be supporting that

probably he can spend his money however he pleases

[quote=pov]why not put this 1000 dollars into a 6s tournament. you have the connections, you could easily donate this money to ESEA for the invite div to encourage more invite teams to play the already most popular mode (which by the way is time tested for 10 years) but instead you really want to push this mode that fractures the community moreso than it already is, and for what? do you genuinely believe this thing you came up with, that -- to be blunt -- is not radically different at all, is a better competitive format for TF2? valve has set their mind on 6s, you should be supporting that[/quote]
probably he can spend his money however he pleases
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#33
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O Boy I Cannot Wait To Play This Formerly NA Exclusive Game Mode

O Boy I Cannot Wait To Play This Formerly NA Exclusive Game Mode
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#34
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Prolander is my favorite format to watch competitive TF2, and it was also fun to play.

Prolander is my favorite format to watch competitive TF2, and it was also fun to play.
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#35
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wow low level players playing a pretty new gamemode are discussing which classes would be optimal? who'd have thunk it

if you have people playing this gamemode seriously at high level for a few seasons you end up with set classes for each hold or even map, low levels will emulate high levels because 1. they're not as good at innovating and 2. spending time on strats that only work at low level is generally wasted effort

when that happens that's literally 50% of your reasons for playing 7s gone

wow low level players playing a pretty new gamemode are discussing which classes would be optimal? who'd have thunk it

if you have people playing this gamemode seriously at high level for a few seasons you end up with set classes for each hold or even map, low levels will emulate high levels because 1. they're not as good at innovating and 2. spending time on strats that only work at low level is generally wasted effort

when that happens that's literally 50% of your reasons for playing 7s gone
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gemmwow low level players playing a pretty new gamemode are discussing which classes would be optimal? who'd have thunk it

if you have people playing this gamemode seriously at high level for a few seasons you end up with set classes for each hold or even map, low levels will emulate high levels because 1. they're not as good at innovating and 2. spending time on strats that only work at low level is generally wasted effort

when that happens that's literally 50% of your reasons for playing 7s gone

We've had a majority of ESEA Invite teams in our Invite division for about 3 seasons now. And there's been no conclusive meta yet. Each team runs their own unique style. Froyotech generally relies on their DM, runs a full time heavy and usually an engineer or pyro, with a small amount of spy sprinkled in. Faint Gaming typically runs a full time pyro and mostly full time spy. Velocity runs a full time heavy and typically a spy.

It's possible that we could get to that point, it just depends on how teams play. If they choose classes for their own team, or if they choose classes to counter enemy team.

For example in our week 2 match up on Coalplant. Faint Gaming, made up of UGC Plat players, instead of running their own classes. They chose classes to counter froyo. So they ran a spy full time in the first half, focusing on countering bo4r on sniper. Causing Faint Gaming's sniper, watterson, to top frag while bo4r was near the bottom. In the second half, bo4r started as an aggro engie. Froyotech ran no pick classes. So then the faint gaming spy struggled to focus anyone and the extra front line pressure/damage from froyotech help secured them the first round. So then the spy switched to Heavy to help his team defend against the extra attackers. Which caused them to win the next round.

Then bo4r went back to sniper, since he had less pressure (no spy.) He started to switch back and forth between sniper and spy to mix it up. Dimento, the former spy stayed on heavy and watterson, now without the extra support to counter bo4r, struggled. So then he switched to spy, to keep a pick class on their team.

The cool thing about having all classes viable is that you can choose your strategy to either to just focus on your own team or you can choose classes to counter the enemy teams lineup. Which can allow a team of highlander players compete against the best in the world. Still though, it's possible that prolander, like any game or comp format could get stale in terms of classes. Though this is where the pick/ban format helps, is that if there are stale strategies that rely on certain weapons, you can ban those to force the other team to have to mix it up.

[quote=gemm]wow low level players playing a pretty new gamemode are discussing which classes would be optimal? who'd have thunk it

if you have people playing this gamemode seriously at high level for a few seasons you end up with set classes for each hold or even map, low levels will emulate high levels because 1. they're not as good at innovating and 2. spending time on strats that only work at low level is generally wasted effort

when that happens that's literally 50% of your reasons for playing 7s gone[/quote]

We've had a majority of ESEA Invite teams in our Invite division for about 3 seasons now. And there's been no conclusive meta yet. Each team runs their own unique style. Froyotech generally relies on their DM, runs a full time heavy and usually an engineer or pyro, with a small amount of spy sprinkled in. Faint Gaming typically runs a full time pyro and mostly full time spy. Velocity runs a full time heavy and typically a spy.

It's possible that we could get to that point, it just depends on how teams play. If they choose classes for their own team, or if they choose classes to counter enemy team.

For example in our week 2 match up on Coalplant. Faint Gaming, made up of UGC Plat players, instead of running their own classes. They chose classes to counter froyo. So they ran a spy full time in the first half, focusing on countering bo4r on sniper. Causing Faint Gaming's sniper, watterson, to top frag while bo4r was near the bottom. In the second half, bo4r started as an aggro engie. Froyotech ran no pick classes. So then the faint gaming spy struggled to focus anyone and the extra front line pressure/damage from froyotech help secured them the first round. So then the spy switched to Heavy to help his team defend against the extra attackers. Which caused them to win the next round.

Then bo4r went back to sniper, since he had less pressure (no spy.) He started to switch back and forth between sniper and spy to mix it up. Dimento, the former spy stayed on heavy and watterson, now without the extra support to counter bo4r, struggled. So then he switched to spy, to keep a pick class on their team.

The cool thing about having all classes viable is that you can choose your strategy to either to just focus on your own team or you can choose classes to counter the enemy teams lineup. Which can allow a team of highlander players compete against the best in the world. Still though, it's possible that prolander, like any game or comp format could get stale in terms of classes. Though this is where the pick/ban format helps, is that if there are stale strategies that rely on certain weapons, you can ban those to force the other team to have to mix it up.
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#37
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sigafoosnip

this just sounds like the comma button is now the most important rather than perfecting mechanics and gamesense in order to win. RPS games are popular and eh fair play if you enjoy it but nothing about it is more tacticool lol

[quote=sigafoo]snip[/quote]

this just sounds like the comma button is now the most important rather than perfecting mechanics and gamesense in order to win. RPS games are popular and eh fair play if you enjoy it but nothing about it is more tacticool lol
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#38
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Just make it a 6s league and replace ESEA. Do everything ESEA does - the shitty fucking client and everyone will love u

Just make it a 6s league and replace ESEA. Do everything ESEA does - the shitty fucking client and everyone will love u
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#39
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Ultimatesigh

I thought you were LFT, it's your chance!

[quote=Ultimate]sigh[/quote]
I thought you were LFT, it's your chance!
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#40
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after all this time do people think that theyre actually gonna change sigafoos mind?
it would be just as productive to talk about 7s to your chair

after all this time do people think that theyre actually gonna change sigafoos mind?
it would be just as productive to talk about 7s to your chair
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#41
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FunsTwiiKuu@Funs lets go ;)what

cmon u kno u wanna play this ;)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270746406212337675/424949640454995968/unknown.png

[quote=Funs][quote=TwiiKuu]@Funs lets go ;)[/quote]
what[/quote]
cmon u kno u wanna play this ;)
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270746406212337675/424949640454995968/unknown.png[/img]
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#42
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dont care

dont care
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#43
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sigafoo wrote all of those blurbs idc what u tell me

sigafoo wrote all of those blurbs idc what u tell me
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#44
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lft

lft
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#45
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sigafooWe've had a majority of ESEA Invite teams in our Invite division for about 3 seasons now.

Yeah with a prizepool anyone will play regardless of if its the most retarded gamemode. To my knowledge none of those invite teams scrim prolander. They arent demo reviewing prolander. The dont care to improve at prolander. They wouldn't take a net loss to go to a LAN for prolander. your higher level division cares less to improve at your gamemode than the people who play Highlander for no prizepool in a free division.

[quote=sigafoo]We've had a majority of ESEA Invite teams in our Invite division for about 3 seasons now.[/quote]

Yeah with a prizepool anyone will play regardless of if its the most retarded gamemode. To my knowledge none of those invite teams scrim prolander. They arent demo reviewing prolander. The dont care to improve at prolander. They wouldn't take a net loss to go to a LAN for prolander. your higher level division cares less to improve at your gamemode than the people who play Highlander for no prizepool in a free division.
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sigafoowords
words
words

Of course you've seen shit change during matches. The incentive to play, and amount of fun when playing, means that no one scrims this game mode. They just play the matches for the money, so they relearn the game mode once a week.

[quote=sigafoo]words
words
words[/quote]

Of course you've seen shit change during matches. The incentive to play, and amount of fun when playing, means that no one scrims this game mode. They just play the matches for the money, so they relearn the game mode once a week.
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#47
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Can we see some negative responses from the survey too? :)

Can we see some negative responses from the survey too? :)
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sigafoo runs a full time heavy

stop right there

[quote=sigafoo] runs a full time heavy[/quote]
stop right there
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#49
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I think getawhale assumption that you want people to discuss with you is right if you post about your format on a forum you have shown you don't exactly like, and that you know very well people here don't agree with your ideas. (and I'm not saying disliking tf.tv is bad but like...)

I think getawhale assumption that you want people to discuss with you is right if you post about your format on a forum you have shown you don't exactly like, and that you know very well people here don't agree with your ideas. (and I'm not saying disliking tf.tv is bad but like...)
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#50
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guys pls stop hating on 7v7 she's kinda hot

guys pls stop hating on 7v7 she's kinda hot
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#51
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He* smh did u not read the entire fanfiction

He* smh did u not read the entire fanfiction
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#52
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EdgyEddyI think getawhale assumption that you want people to discuss with you is right if you post about your format on a forum you have shown you don't exactly like, and that you know very well people here don't agree with your ideas. (and I'm not saying disliking tf.tv is bad but like...)

What lead me to post here is I had a conversation with a person who was upset he didn't know about the EU one day cup: https://i.imgur.com/KJxaGwq.png.

I've avoided posting on this forum since the challenge cup. As this forum is primarily for sixes players and sixes players are not main target audience. It's been what... a year and a half since I created a post on here last. The last time I even had a real post on here was 10 months ago, when someone else created a post about my league. So clearly I'm not just posting on here constantly for "attention."

After thinking about it and having that conversation with the guy about it. I figured, no real harm. There are people like him in this site who might be interested. Even if it's a small number, at least for them to realize that this option is available is good. That's all.

It's fair to say that this is going to be a hostile place, for various reasons, towards me and what I'm doing, but I'm okay with a little hostility at me if it means I can help people like that guy who reached out to me. To have them become more informed about his competitive options.

[quote=EdgyEddy]I think getawhale assumption that you want people to discuss with you is right if you post about your format on a forum you have shown you don't exactly like, and that you know very well people here don't agree with your ideas. (and I'm not saying disliking tf.tv is bad but like...)[/quote]

What lead me to post here is I had a conversation with a person who was upset he didn't know about the EU one day cup: [url=https://i.imgur.com/KJxaGwq.png]https://i.imgur.com/KJxaGwq.png[/url].

I've avoided posting on this forum since the challenge cup. As this forum is primarily for sixes players and sixes players are not main target audience. It's been what... a year and a half since I created a post on here last. The last time I even had a real post on here was 10 months ago, when someone else created a post about my league. So clearly I'm not just posting on here constantly for "attention."

After thinking about it and having that conversation with the guy about it. I figured, no real harm. There are people like him in this site who might be interested. Even if it's a small number, at least for them to realize that this option is available is good. That's all.

It's fair to say that this is going to be a hostile place, for various reasons, towards me and what I'm doing, but I'm okay with a little hostility at me if it means I can help people like that guy who reached out to me. To have them become more informed about his competitive options.
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#53
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EdgyEddyHe* smh did u not read the entire fanfiction

wait shit i forgot does this make me gay

[quote=EdgyEddy]He* smh did u not read the entire fanfiction[/quote]

wait shit i forgot does this make me gay
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#54
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ngl u guys are being dickheads and acting all entitled like

this dont hurt u or anyone so let him run his league

ngl u guys are being dickheads and acting all entitled like

this dont hurt u or anyone so let him run his league
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#55
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povwhy not put this 1000 dollars into a 6s tournament.

because he mains engineer

[quote=pov]why not put this 1000 dollars into a 6s tournament.[/quote]

because he mains engineer
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#56
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sigafoo, just bc i love having the useless last word, i'll just leave saying you said valid points

sigafoo, just bc i love having the useless last word, i'll just leave saying you said valid points
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#57
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can we get edgyeddy out of here

can we get edgyeddy out of here
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#58
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I'd love to know sigafoo's source of income

Plus I dislike 7s, but its honestly much better than HL or 4s

I'd love to know sigafoo's source of income

Plus I dislike 7s, but its honestly much better than HL or 4s
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#59
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i wish some bloke with 1k burning a hole in his pocket would host a kritz/ubersaw medlocks only tournament

i wish some bloke with 1k burning a hole in his pocket would host a kritz/ubersaw medlocks only tournament
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#60
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https://media.giphy.com/media/PhvQ0pSu9MgLe/giphy.gif

[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/PhvQ0pSu9MgLe/giphy.gif[/img]
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