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#91
Tip of the Hats
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My sister and her fiancée go to that club often, thankfully they didnt go that night. Odd to think something like this happened so close to home.

My sister and her fiancée go to that club often, thankfully they didnt go that night. Odd to think something like this happened so close to home.
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#92
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#93
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Se7enaratingaprohibiting homossexuals from donating blood is so fucking dumbIt's not homosexuals. It's homosexual men. It's not stupid; it's a public health measure. Like it or not, HIV rates among gay men are high enough to the point where the CDC has deemed it a necessary public health measure to have a one year deferral before they can donate blood.

this^ there's twice as many AIDS cases reported from being a gay guy than IV drug use

[quote=Se7en][quote=aratinga]prohibiting homossexuals from donating blood is so fucking dumb[/quote]
It's not homosexuals. It's homosexual [i]men.[/i] It's not stupid; it's a public health measure. Like it or not, HIV rates among gay men are high enough to the point where the CDC has deemed it a necessary public health measure to have a one year deferral before they can donate blood.[/quote]
this^ there's twice as many AIDS cases reported from being a gay guy than IV drug use
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#94
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crwThere are tons of examples where a country has strict gun laws, but very high homicide rate, like mexico. Probably because of drug dealers and cartels. Cartels are fully armed unlike normal citizens. People who want to get a gun for malicious purpose will get it no matter what the laws are.

My understanding is that Mexico's problem is heavily related to law enforcement funding, with a very strong correlation between areas that pay their police well suppressing crime levels and areas where they are paid poorly experiencing massive corruption and lawlessness.

Regarding the availability of guns, in the case of the French and Belgian attacks those involved were largely part of an existing criminal underworld with the connections necessary to arm themselves and arrange for the transportation of weapons across national borders. Those with existing petty criminal records would almost certainly have found it very hard to acquire weapons legally.

Breivik is an example of how a determined individual with no criminal record or officially recorded mental health issue can acquire a cache of weapons regardless of gun controls. In his testimony he provided a detailed account of his attempts to buy them. Although it sounds paradoxical gun control laws aren't relevant in his case, it's day to day murders that would be reduced if access to weapons were generally restricted, and atrocities committed by individuals with clearly established mental health problems or criminal records.

Where this individual comes in we don't yet know

[quote=crw]There are tons of examples where a country has strict gun laws, but very high homicide rate, like mexico. Probably because of drug dealers and cartels. Cartels are fully armed unlike normal citizens. People who want to get a gun for malicious purpose will get it no matter what the laws are.[/quote]
My understanding is that Mexico's problem is heavily related to law enforcement funding, with a very strong correlation between areas that pay their police well suppressing crime levels and areas where they are paid poorly experiencing massive corruption and lawlessness.

Regarding the availability of guns, in the case of the French and Belgian attacks those involved were largely part of an existing criminal underworld with the connections necessary to arm themselves and arrange for the transportation of weapons across national borders. Those with existing petty criminal records would almost certainly have found it very hard to acquire weapons legally.

Breivik is an example of how a determined individual with no criminal record or officially recorded mental health issue can acquire a cache of weapons regardless of gun controls. In his testimony he provided a detailed account of his attempts to buy them. Although it sounds paradoxical gun control laws aren't relevant in his case, it's day to day murders that would be reduced if access to weapons were generally restricted, and atrocities committed by individuals with clearly established mental health problems or criminal records.

Where this individual comes in we don't yet know
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#95
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The US probably has an even bigger underground network of illegal gun sellers than Europe by a long shot.

The US probably has an even bigger underground network of illegal gun sellers than Europe by a long shot.
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#96
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fuck

fuck
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#97
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TurinThe US probably has an even bigger underground network of illegal gun sellers than Europe by a long shot.

most of the guns that kill people in chicago come from indiana

gun control depends on squashing out the entire network

[quote=Turin]The US probably has an even bigger underground network of illegal gun sellers than Europe by a long shot.[/quote]
most of the guns that kill people in chicago come from indiana

gun control depends on squashing out the entire network
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#98
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we can disagree on the reasons why and what would have prevented it, but it's no secret that ISIS really loves murdering gay people.

we can disagree on the reasons why and what would have prevented it, but it's no secret that ISIS really loves murdering gay people.
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#99
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/terror-hate-what-motivated-orlando-nightclub-shooter-n590496

"We were in Downtown Miami, Bayside, people were playing music. And he saw two men kissing each other in front of his wife and kid and he got very angry," Mir Seddique, told NBC News on Sunday.

fuck everything, pt. 1

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

Authorities in Santa Monica found possible explosives as well an assault rifles and ammunition in the car of a man who told them he was here for the L.A. Gay Pride festival in West Hollywood, a law enforcement source said.

fuck everything, pt. 2.

idk why I'm still looking at this stuff, so I'm out. stay safe, ppl

e: fuck's sake, one more:

https://twitter.com/my1blood/status/742035796824186880

fuck everything, fuck it all forever. ok now I'm done

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/terror-hate-what-motivated-orlando-nightclub-shooter-n590496

[quote]"We were in Downtown Miami, Bayside, people were playing music. And he saw two men kissing each other in front of his wife and kid and he got very angry," Mir Seddique, told NBC News on Sunday.[/quote]

fuck everything, pt. 1

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

[quote]Authorities in Santa Monica found possible explosives as well an assault rifles and ammunition in the car of a man who told them he was here for the L.A. Gay Pride festival in West Hollywood, a law enforcement source said.[/quote]

fuck everything, pt. 2.

idk why I'm still looking at this stuff, so I'm out. stay safe, ppl

e: fuck's sake, one more:

https://twitter.com/my1blood/status/742035796824186880

fuck everything, fuck it all forever. ok now I'm done
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#100
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I think it's a combination of the fact that USA has very lax gun regulations and Islamic extremists. Being a country so hated by Muslim extremists due to it's history with the Middle East and having guns so readily available is a recipe for disaster. As other's have said, there are literally hundreds of times more deaths caused by guns than terrorism in the US.
That's not to say ISIS type groups aren't a problem, but a simple change to gun laws could make a huge difference.
edit: removed crap

I think it's a combination of the fact that USA has very lax gun regulations and Islamic extremists. Being a country so hated by Muslim extremists due to it's history with the Middle East and having guns so readily available is a recipe for disaster. As other's have said, there are literally hundreds of times more deaths caused by guns than terrorism in the US.
That's not to say ISIS type groups aren't a problem, but a simple change to gun laws could make a huge difference.
edit: removed crap
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#101
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I think we'll be safe if we just put up "No guns plz!" Signs everywhere.

I think we'll be safe if we just put up "No guns plz!" Signs everywhere.
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#102
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the thing about more gun control is that it would prevent a ton of deaths in the aggregate, but these ultra-determined, mostly white or high-performing minority shooters with money would almost certainly get hold of guns anyways, so spree killings aren't necessarily the best example of preventable gun violence

that doesn't mean that the effect wouldn't be positive overall though, and I don't see how much harm can come from immediately a) bringing back the ban on assault weapons and b) closing the gun show loophole

the thing about more gun control is that it would prevent a ton of deaths in the aggregate, but these ultra-determined, mostly white or high-performing minority shooters with money would almost certainly get hold of guns anyways, so spree killings aren't necessarily the best example of preventable gun violence

that doesn't mean that the effect wouldn't be positive overall though, and I don't see how much harm can come from immediately a) bringing back the ban on assault weapons and b) closing the gun show loophole
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#103
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Bernie for prez

Bernie for prez
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#104
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arosevox garbage

those things they are comparing aren't even related properly

one is US citizens killed by terrorism, and one is just all gun homicide deaths in the US, which includes gun-related terrorism (among illegals being killed, and the fact that around 80% of gun homicides are drug and gang related, and others). Plus, that terrorism statistic is bound to be off because some acts of terrorism aren't even recognized statistically such as the San Bernandino shooting. Then take into consideration justified killings, police killings, and accidentals and you've got a much more comparable (yet obviously much higher as terrorism is a much more difficult to achieve)

that doesn't mean that the effect wouldn't be positive overall though, and I don't see how much harm can come from immediately a) bringing back the ban on assault weapons and b) closing the gun show loophole

the gunshow loophole isn't even a thing how do people believe this

[quote=arose]vox garbage[/quote]
those things they are comparing aren't even related properly

one is US citizens killed by terrorism, and one is just all gun homicide deaths in the US, which includes gun-related terrorism (among illegals being killed, and the fact that around 80% of gun homicides are drug and gang related, and others). Plus, that terrorism statistic is bound to be off because some acts of terrorism aren't even recognized statistically such as the San Bernandino shooting. Then take into consideration justified killings, police killings, and accidentals and you've got a much more comparable (yet obviously much higher as terrorism is a much more difficult to achieve)

[quote]that doesn't mean that the effect wouldn't be positive overall though, and I don't see how much harm can come from immediately a) bringing back the ban on assault weapons and b) closing the gun show loophole[/quote]

the gunshow loophole isn't even a thing how do people believe this
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#105
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toads_tfarosevox garbagethose things they are comparing aren't even related properly

one is US citizens killed by terrorism, and one is just all gun homicide deaths in the US, which includes gun-related terrorism (among illegals being killed, and the fact that around 80% of gun homicides are drug and gang related). Plus, that terrorism statistic is bound to be off because some acts of terrorism aren't even recognized statistically such as the San Bernandino shooting. Then take into consideration justified killings, police killings, and accidentals and you've got a much more comparable (yet obviously much higher as terrorism is a much more difficult to achieve)
that doesn't mean that the effect wouldn't be positive overall though, and I don't see how much harm can come from immediately a) bringing back the ban on assault weapons and b) closing the gun show loophole
the gunshow loophole isn't even a thing how do people believe this

listen and believe

governments best friend

[quote=toads_tf][quote=arose]vox garbage[/quote]
those things they are comparing aren't even related properly

one is US citizens killed by terrorism, and one is just all gun homicide deaths in the US, which includes gun-related terrorism (among illegals being killed, and the fact that around 80% of gun homicides are drug and gang related). Plus, that terrorism statistic is bound to be off because some acts of terrorism aren't even recognized statistically such as the San Bernandino shooting. Then take into consideration justified killings, police killings, and accidentals and you've got a much more comparable (yet obviously much higher as terrorism is a much more difficult to achieve)

[quote]that doesn't mean that the effect wouldn't be positive overall though, and I don't see how much harm can come from immediately a) bringing back the ban on assault weapons and b) closing the gun show loophole[/quote]

the gunshow loophole isn't even a thing how do people believe this[/quote]

listen and believe

governments best friend
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#106
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This is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.

This is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.
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#107
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ShooshThis is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.

http://i.imgur.com/i3Y1cPn.png
good job twitter youll stop them evil bad guys

[quote=Shoosh]This is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.[/quote]
http://i.imgur.com/i3Y1cPn.png
good job twitter youll stop them evil bad guys
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#108
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ShooshThis is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.

Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.

[quote=Shoosh]This is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.[/quote]

Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.
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#109
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toads_tfarosevox garbagethose things they are comparing aren't even related properly

one is US citizens killed by terrorism, and one is just all gun homicide deaths in the US, which includes gun-related terrorism (among illegals being killed, and the fact that around 80% of gun homicides are drug and gang related, and others). Plus, that terrorism statistic is bound to be off because some acts of terrorism aren't even recognized statistically such as the San Bernandino shooting. Then take into consideration justified killings, police killings, and accidentals and you've got a much more comparable (yet obviously much higher as terrorism is a much more difficult to achieve)

Yeah, you're right, there are a lot of other factors to take into account. The point I'm failing to make is that there are much easier problems to solve than combating islamic extremists that would have a much greater impact on unlawful deaths in the US.

[quote=toads_tf][quote=arose]vox garbage[/quote]
those things they are comparing aren't even related properly

one is US citizens killed by terrorism, and one is just all gun homicide deaths in the US, which includes gun-related terrorism (among illegals being killed, and the fact that around 80% of gun homicides are drug and gang related, and others). Plus, that terrorism statistic is bound to be off because some acts of terrorism aren't even recognized statistically such as the San Bernandino shooting. Then take into consideration justified killings, police killings, and accidentals and you've got a much more comparable (yet obviously much higher as terrorism is a much more difficult to achieve)
[/quote]
Yeah, you're right, there are a lot of other factors to take into account. The point I'm failing to make is that there are much easier problems to solve than combating islamic extremists that would have a much greater impact on unlawful deaths in the US.
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#110
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Really sad.

Really sad.
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#111
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wCQDVdPq3I
obama is speaking about this right now
edit: it's over now, nothing said besides condolences and prayers. there was a comment about the state of the nation/ease of getting guns and about actively choosing to do nothing, but he basically said 'let's see what we find out in the next few days.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wCQDVdPq3I
obama is speaking about this right now
edit: it's over now, nothing said besides condolences and prayers. there was a comment about the state of the nation/ease of getting guns and about actively choosing to do nothing, but he basically said 'let's see what we find out in the next few days.'
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#112
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dizastaShooshThis is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.
Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.

I'm not saying that they shouldnt do it, I want people to live too. But the pure fact you have to give out your thoughts and prayers to a mass shooting is sickening, and its even worse when you have to constantly do so, now that is fucking horrible and shitty.
Address it from happening in the first place, stop giving your stupid retrospective thoughts and start being presumptive.

[quote=dizasta][quote=Shoosh]This is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.[/quote]

Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.[/quote]
I'm not saying that they shouldnt do it, I want people to live too. But the pure fact you have to give out your thoughts and prayers to a mass shooting is sickening, and its even worse when you have to constantly do so, now that is fucking horrible and shitty.
Address it from happening in the first place, stop giving your stupid retrospective thoughts and start being presumptive.
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#113
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ShooshdizastaShooshThis is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.
Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.
I'm not saying that they shouldnt do it, I want people to live too. But the pure fact you have to give out your thoughts and prayers to a mass shooting is sickening, and its even worse when you have to constantly do so, now that is fucking horrible and shitty.
Address it from happening in the first place, stop giving your stupid retrospective thoughts and start being presumptive.

The problem is that there exists no "quick fix" to prevent terrorist attacks or any form of excessive violence from happening.

Actually the worst thing that can happen from this is politicians making kneejerk reactions (if not because of public pressure) and implementing changes that either increase problems in the long run, or create completely different problems (like limiting freedom and privacy, see PATRIOT act etc etc)

[quote=Shoosh][quote=dizasta][quote=Shoosh]This is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.[/quote]

Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.[/quote]
I'm not saying that they shouldnt do it, I want people to live too. But the pure fact you have to give out your thoughts and prayers to a mass shooting is sickening, and its even worse when you have to constantly do so, now that is fucking horrible and shitty.
Address it from happening in the first place, stop giving your stupid retrospective thoughts and start being presumptive.[/quote]

The problem is that there exists no "quick fix" to prevent terrorist attacks or any form of excessive violence from happening.

Actually the worst thing that can happen from this is politicians making kneejerk reactions (if not because of public pressure) and implementing changes that either increase problems in the long run, or create completely different problems (like limiting freedom and privacy, see PATRIOT act etc etc)
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#114
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I'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.

I'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.
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#115
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The fact that this happened at a known gay bar in the heart of a city as big as Orlando, during Pride Month, is more than enough proof to classify this as a hate crime

Also there was a man arrested earlier today with weapons and ammo + explosives who was headed to L.A.'s pride parade in West Hollywood
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

this is so fucked up, jesus christ

The fact that this happened at a known gay bar in the heart of a city as big as Orlando, during Pride Month, is more than enough proof to classify this as a hate crime

Also there was a man arrested earlier today with weapons and ammo + explosives who was headed to L.A.'s pride parade in West Hollywood
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

this is so fucked up, jesus christ
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#116
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skeejShooshdizastaShooshThis is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.
Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.
I'm not saying that they shouldnt do it, I want people to live too. But the pure fact you have to give out your thoughts and prayers to a mass shooting is sickening, and its even worse when you have to constantly do so, now that is fucking horrible and shitty.
Address it from happening in the first place, stop giving your stupid retrospective thoughts and start being presumptive.

The problem is that there exists no "quick fix" to prevent terrorist attacks or any form of excessive violence from happening.

Actually the worst thing that can happen from this is politicians making kneejerk reactions (if not because of public pressure) and implementing changes that either increase problems in the long run, or create completely different problems (like limiting freedom and privacy, see PATRIOT act etc etc)

I'm not saying its easy or it doesnt require conversation but all it seems to be nowadays is that theres a mass shooting, polticians give out thoughts and prayers and talk about it for a while and forget and then the process repeats. When does it end? Because it keeps getting worse.

[quote=skeej][quote=Shoosh][quote=dizasta][quote=Shoosh]This is sickening, politicians need to stop giving out their "thoughts and prayers" and actually do something.[/quote]

Difficult to do anything now that it has already happened. It's easy to be afterwise.[/quote]
I'm not saying that they shouldnt do it, I want people to live too. But the pure fact you have to give out your thoughts and prayers to a mass shooting is sickening, and its even worse when you have to constantly do so, now that is fucking horrible and shitty.
Address it from happening in the first place, stop giving your stupid retrospective thoughts and start being presumptive.[/quote]

The problem is that there exists no "quick fix" to prevent terrorist attacks or any form of excessive violence from happening.

Actually the worst thing that can happen from this is politicians making kneejerk reactions (if not because of public pressure) and implementing changes that either increase problems in the long run, or create completely different problems (like limiting freedom and privacy, see PATRIOT act etc etc)[/quote]

I'm not saying its easy or it doesnt require conversation but all it seems to be nowadays is that theres a mass shooting, polticians give out thoughts and prayers and talk about it for a while and forget and then the process repeats. When does it end? Because it keeps getting worse.
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#117
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TurinI'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.

Not to mention the majority of gun deaths in the U.S. come from guns that aren't assault rifles.

[quote=Turin]I'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.[/quote]

Not to mention the majority of gun deaths in the U.S. come from guns that aren't assault rifles.
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#118
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TurinI'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.

banning automatic weapons or military grade weapons basically only hurts small groups of rich hobbyists, the people least likely to use a gun like an idiot. Banning handguns would produce a much stronger effect on crime but way more people own handguns and attach utility to them, leading to way more public and lobbyist backlash. Gun laws in most countries are almost 100% backwards and ineffective because the people who are against guns tend to argue from hypothetical and moral stances rather than pragmatics imo

A weapons bill that reduced restrictions on higher end weapons and didn't touch hunting rifles but severely limited who can own a handgun would be super great. A lot of states have taken the first step with limiting permits or CCWs to a higher age for handgun owners.

[quote=Turin]I'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.[/quote]
banning automatic weapons or military grade weapons basically only hurts small groups of rich hobbyists, the people least likely to use a gun like an idiot. Banning handguns would produce a much stronger effect on crime but way more people own handguns and attach utility to them, leading to way more public and lobbyist backlash. Gun laws in most countries are almost 100% backwards and ineffective because the people who are against guns tend to argue from hypothetical and moral stances rather than pragmatics imo

A weapons bill that reduced restrictions on higher end weapons and didn't touch hunting rifles but severely limited who can own a handgun would be super great. A lot of states have taken the first step with limiting permits or CCWs to a higher age for handgun owners.
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#119
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I traveled down to Orlando this week for vacation. Im currently less than 10 miles away from the club, very surreal to be this close to something like that

I traveled down to Orlando this week for vacation. Im currently less than 10 miles away from the club, very surreal to be this close to something like that
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#120
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eeeTurinI'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.banning automatic weapons or military grade weapons basically only hurts small groups of rich hobbyists, the people least likely to use a gun like an idiot. Banning handguns would produce a much stronger effect on crime but way more people own handguns and attach utility to them, leading to way more public and lobbyist backlash. Gun laws in most countries are almost 100% backwards and ineffective because the people who are against guns tend to argue from hypothetical and moral stances rather than pragmatics imo

A weapons bill that reduced restrictions on higher end weapons and didn't touch hunting rifles but severely limited who can own a handgun would be super great. A lot of states have taken the first step with limiting permits or CCWs to a higher age for handgun owners.

Do you mean limit in a sense of "only x amount of permits can be given out In one year" or "x requirements must be met to require a gun"

The only "requirement" I'm against for getting a CCW is needing a "reason" for owning a gun. I always found that a bit too stringent.

[quote=eee][quote=Turin]I'm not sure how assault weapons are any more dangerous than normal guns. The assault weapons ban was used to stymie gun control advocates who aren't properly educated on firearms. A hunting shotgun is just as deadly as an AKM in a crowded space.[/quote]
banning automatic weapons or military grade weapons basically only hurts small groups of rich hobbyists, the people least likely to use a gun like an idiot. Banning handguns would produce a much stronger effect on crime but way more people own handguns and attach utility to them, leading to way more public and lobbyist backlash. Gun laws in most countries are almost 100% backwards and ineffective because the people who are against guns tend to argue from hypothetical and moral stances rather than pragmatics imo

A weapons bill that reduced restrictions on higher end weapons and didn't touch hunting rifles but severely limited who can own a handgun would be super great. A lot of states have taken the first step with limiting permits or CCWs to a higher age for handgun owners.[/quote]

Do you mean limit in a sense of "only x amount of permits can be given out In one year" or "x requirements must be met to require a gun"

The only "requirement" I'm against for getting a CCW is needing a "reason" for owning a gun. I always found that a bit too stringent.
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