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3871
#3871
6 Frags +

There is little point in mining with a card as old as the 9500 GT. The electricity would cost much more than the mined coins are worth. If you just want to transform money into heat you might as well burn a stack of one dollar bills.

The GTX 680s aren't going to be much better.

Mining doesn't use SLI. Any PCIe slot would do, even x1.
I've got no idea why you're looking at a LGA2066/X299 mobo, you don't have a CPU for that.

MenachemI have a lot of ancient equipment. Two gtx680s, a 9500gt, an array of cpus a decade or more ancient than the i5-4690k I just replaced with an i7. Miscellaneous Other Things. Unused tablet and smartphone.
[...]
But now that I've got an upgraded rig and an additional pile of mostly-functional equipment, I'd like to try to put it to use. Mining.

Everything I've come across online says "don't do this, your equipment is basically fossilized, dont be an idiot." Is there any other wisdom to be had?

Sometimes, the reason why everyone is telling you that it's a stupid idea is simply the fact that it is indeed a stupid idea.

Just go with the secondary gaming pc. Forget about the 9500 GT, get some used DDR3 RAM and a mobo, ideally Z97 because overclocking would be nice, a PSU that won't set itself or anything else on fire, and a case recent enough to fit the mobo, optionally even recent enough that just looking at the layout won't make you want to kill yourself, and you'll have something actually useful.

There is little point in mining with a card as old as the 9500 GT. The electricity would cost much more than the mined coins are worth. If you just want to transform money into heat you might as well burn a stack of one dollar bills.

The GTX 680s aren't going to be much better.

Mining doesn't use SLI. Any PCIe slot would do, even x1.
I've got no idea why you're looking at a LGA2066/X299 mobo, you don't have a CPU for that.

[quote=Menachem]I have a lot of ancient equipment. Two gtx680s, a 9500gt, an array of cpus a decade or more ancient than the i5-4690k I just replaced with an i7. Miscellaneous Other Things. [b]Unused tablet and smartphone[/b].
[...]
But now that I've got an upgraded rig and an additional pile of mostly-functional equipment, I'd like to try to put it to use. Mining.

Everything I've come across online says "don't do this, your equipment is basically fossilized, dont be an idiot." Is there any other wisdom to be had?
[/quote]
Sometimes, the reason why everyone is telling you that it's a stupid idea is simply the fact that it is indeed a stupid idea.

Just go with the secondary gaming pc. Forget about the 9500 GT, get some used DDR3 RAM and a mobo, ideally Z97 because overclocking would be nice, a PSU that won't set itself or anything else on fire, and a case recent enough to fit the mobo, optionally even recent enough that just looking at the layout won't make you want to kill yourself, and you'll have something actually useful.
3872
#3872
0 Frags +

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/K2YHnt

im building a new pc pretty much from scratch and feel like it could be improved a bit, but the how is beyond my knowledge. the main games i play rn are hunt: showdown, apex legends and potentially total warhammer 3 with a bit of pub tf2 now and again. ideally, i would like to get as close to 250 fps in hunt and apex as possible and maintain at least a playable framerate in total warhammer 3. i only do the occasional streaming/video editing so thats pretty much not a consideration at all with this build.

the cpu and mobo is quite possibly just a stopgap measure until new gen comes out and hopefully(?) drives down the prices on current higher end cpus like the 5800x3d a little bit. also worth mentioning that ALL of the components will be purchased used where thats possible. is there anything i could do to save a bit of money while not cutting down on performance? the less i spend on this build the more ive got to import a fucking viewsonic xg2431 (thanks for eu sales dickheads) and silk bedding for me and the wife.

edit: noise is a HUGE factor for me, i would like the pc to be as silent as possible while maintaining performance and am willing to spend extra money on that if need be

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/K2YHnt

im building a new pc pretty much from scratch and feel like it could be improved a bit, but the how is beyond my knowledge. the main games i play rn are hunt: showdown, apex legends and potentially total warhammer 3 with a bit of pub tf2 now and again. ideally, i would like to get as close to 250 fps in hunt and apex as possible and maintain at least a playable framerate in total warhammer 3. i only do the occasional streaming/video editing so thats pretty much not a consideration at all with this build.

the cpu and mobo is quite possibly just a stopgap measure until new gen comes out and hopefully(?) drives down the prices on current higher end cpus like the 5800x3d a little bit. also worth mentioning that ALL of the components will be purchased used where thats possible. is there anything i could do to save a bit of money while not cutting down on performance? the less i spend on this build the more ive got to import a fucking viewsonic xg2431 (thanks for eu sales dickheads) and silk bedding for me and the wife.

edit: noise is a HUGE factor for me, i would like the pc to be as silent as possible while maintaining performance and am willing to spend extra money on that if need be
3873
#3873
5 Frags +

I don't think 250 fps in hunt are happening, the rest should be easy.
Not that 250 fps on a 240 Hz FreeSync monitor are going to do anything. Unless you want to import a ViewSonic XG2431 specifically because it can't do strobing and variable refresh rate at the same time? That's certainly one way to make your life harder.

Your plan is still shit though.
Do you really think you'll get a used 5800X3D 5 months after release?
What is the point of a "higher end cpu" if you're also going to handicap it by going with DDR4 RAM that was considered good in 2017?
If you want to save money, have you considered not spending as much on your PSU as on CPU and mobo combined? What's a 1000W PSU supposed to do for a 500W build?

I don't think 250 fps in hunt are happening, the rest should be easy.
Not that 250 fps on a 240 Hz FreeSync monitor are going to do anything. Unless you want to import a ViewSonic XG2431 specifically because it can't do strobing and variable refresh rate at the same time? That's certainly one way to make your life harder.

Your plan is still shit though.
Do you really think you'll get a used 5800X3D 5 months after release?
What is the point of a "higher end cpu" if you're also going to handicap it by going with DDR4 RAM that was considered good in 2017?
If you want to save money, have you considered not spending as much on your PSU as on CPU and mobo combined? What's a 1000W PSU supposed to do for a 500W build?
3874
#3874
1 Frags +

#3872
with how power and performance are scaling, I think bumping up to a 12600k/h670 mobo or 5600x/X570 and dropping down to a (good) 750W PSU then holding off for 2-3 years would be the play. Regarding hunt, do you have any benchmarks handy? the ones coming up through google/reddit are kinda outdated and seem to top out near 150fps regardless of resolution or setup.

#3872
with how power and performance are scaling, I think bumping up to a 12600k/h670 mobo or 5600x/X570 and dropping down to a (good) 750W PSU then holding off for 2-3 years would be the play. Regarding hunt, do you have any benchmarks handy? the ones coming up through google/reddit are kinda outdated and seem to top out near 150fps regardless of resolution or setup.
3875
#3875
0 Frags +
SetsulI don't think 250 fps in hunt are happening, the rest should be easy.
Not that 250 fps on a 240 Hz FreeSync monitor are going to do anything. Unless you want to import a ViewSonic XG2431 specifically because it can't do strobing and variable refresh rate at the same time? That's certainly one way to make your life harder.

Your plan is still shit though.
Do you really think you'll get a used 5800X3D 5 months after release?
What is the point of a "higher end cpu" if you're also going to handicap it by going with DDR4 RAM that was considered good in 2017?
If you want to save money, have you considered not spending as much on your PSU as on CPU and mobo combined? What's a 1000W PSU supposed to do for a 500W build?

im pretty attached to the idea of importing the xg2431 to try out the backlight strobing in games that i know i will be hitting high enough fps in (accounting for the vast majority of my playtime), and the ones where i dont will be played on the lg c2 we will have as an all-rounder display in the living room

i thought that getting a 1000w psu now might be a good idea if i want to keep it inbetween builds like my current one that ive had for over 10 years. ive also played with the idea of maybe just upping my budget and getting a 4000 series card and one of the new cpus in maybe 6 months time or so, or as i said maybe a more powerful current one as people start getting rid of them early in the next year.
what do you suggest would make the most sense for my use case?

#3874
im sorry i dont have any benchmarks for hunt but with a 8600k and msi 1080 i get around 80fps with high object and texture quality and everything else set to pisslow

[quote=Setsul]I don't think 250 fps in hunt are happening, the rest should be easy.
Not that 250 fps on a 240 Hz FreeSync monitor are going to do anything. Unless you want to import a ViewSonic XG2431 specifically because it can't do strobing and variable refresh rate at the same time? That's certainly one way to make your life harder.

Your plan is still shit though.
Do you really think you'll get a used 5800X3D 5 months after release?
What is the point of a "higher end cpu" if you're also going to handicap it by going with DDR4 RAM that was considered good in 2017?
If you want to save money, have you considered not spending as much on your PSU as on CPU and mobo combined? What's a 1000W PSU supposed to do for a 500W build?[/quote]
im pretty attached to the idea of importing the xg2431 to try out the backlight strobing in games that i know i will be hitting high enough fps in (accounting for the vast majority of my playtime), and the ones where i dont will be played on the lg c2 we will have as an all-rounder display in the living room

i thought that getting a 1000w psu now might be a good idea if i want to keep it inbetween builds like my current one that ive had for over 10 years. ive also played with the idea of maybe just upping my budget and getting a 4000 series card and one of the new cpus in maybe 6 months time or so, or as i said maybe a more powerful current one as people start getting rid of them early in the next year.
what do you suggest would make the most sense for my use case?

#3874
im sorry i dont have any benchmarks for hunt but with a 8600k and msi 1080 i get around 80fps with high object and texture quality and everything else set to pisslow
3876
#3876
3 Frags +

Again, why does that mean you need to import an XG2431?
You won't get 250 fps in hunt, will you stop playing that?
What is stopping you from buying a monitor available in the UK that can do strobing at any refresh rate?

You need to decide either on a budget or a performance goal. You can't both be budget conscious and then blow an extra 200 quid on a PSU you won't ever fully utilize unless you spend 2000 on a 600W 4090 Ti (if that happens and it's even that "cheap") and another 2000 or so on a 300W 32 core Threadripper.
I'm not sure why you expect people to buy a new CPU every year. Or is there some special reason why some brits would want to get rid of their cpus early next year?

Again, why does that mean you need to import an XG2431?
You won't get 250 fps in hunt, will you stop playing that?
What is stopping you from buying a monitor available in the UK that can do strobing at any refresh rate?

You need to decide either on a budget or a performance goal. You can't both be budget conscious and then blow an extra 200 quid on a PSU you won't ever fully utilize unless you spend 2000 on a 600W 4090 Ti (if that happens and it's even that "cheap") and another 2000 or so on a 300W 32 core Threadripper.
I'm not sure why you expect people to buy a new CPU every year. Or is there some special reason why some brits would want to get rid of their cpus early next year?
3877
#3877
1 Frags +
torrit

I actually sold my 10900k/3070ti build about 2 months ago with that idea in mind and threw together an i5 6600, 1060 6gb w 2x4gb 2133 ram mostly for tf2 and kovaaks.

With the recent news (to me), that AM5/ryzen 7xxx is going to be ddr5 only I'm going to hold off one more generation/year and go for a fuck all specced build crammed into a sub 15L case, ideally late 2023. With ddr5 now being the only option for the duopoly, we'll have more appreciable gains over 4k mhz specced ddr4, and at not the eye watering prices rn. Hopefully Intel's 14th gen pulls out another neat fab/hardware trick, but more e-cores for 13xxx alone isn't enough for me to pull the trigger.
OH and new atx power supply standard is kinda rolling out/announced as well, and the concept seems pretty interesting for small/quiet builds like we're aiming for

oh and btw with my Samsung 32in G7 I've found VRR just doesn't really help for most games. Useful, but I get massive boosts to motion clarity with ULMB and limiting fps to right at 145/144. I may drop to 120 or use RTSS again to control fps cap to 144.X0 timings, as occasionally I'll get a lateral sync/scan line running down the screen if tf2 chugs. I used to lock it at 240hz with the build I previously mentioned but no shot in hell 1060 will be able to keep up lol.

Hope the similarly diff perspective helps.

[quote=torrit][/quote]
I actually sold my 10900k/3070ti build about 2 months ago with that idea in mind and threw together an i5 6600, 1060 6gb w 2x4gb 2133 ram mostly for tf2 and kovaaks.

With the recent news (to me), that AM5/ryzen 7xxx is going to be ddr5 only I'm going to hold off one more generation/year and go for a fuck all specced build crammed into a sub 15L case, ideally late 2023. With ddr5 now being the only option for the duopoly, we'll have more appreciable gains over 4k mhz specced ddr4, and at not the eye watering prices rn. Hopefully Intel's 14th gen pulls out another neat fab/hardware trick, but more e-cores for 13xxx alone isn't enough for me to pull the trigger.
OH and new atx power supply standard is kinda rolling out/announced as well, and the concept seems pretty interesting for small/quiet builds like we're aiming for

oh and btw with my Samsung 32in G7 I've found VRR just doesn't really help for most games. Useful, but I get massive boosts to motion clarity with ULMB and limiting fps to right at 145/144. I may drop to 120 or use RTSS again to control fps cap to 144.X0 timings, as occasionally I'll get a lateral sync/scan line running down the screen if tf2 chugs. I used to lock it at 240hz with the build I previously mentioned but no shot in hell 1060 will be able to keep up lol.

Hope the similarly diff perspective helps.
3878
#3878
0 Frags +

Gonna be building a pc soon, so I'm going to go with AMD in terms of the CPU side, but I just want your thoughts on the matter if it worth going for a r5 5600 or just going like fuck it and invest in a 7000 series. Should I hold out and wait for lower tiered 7000 series products or just go for 5000 right now?

Gonna be building a pc soon, so I'm going to go with AMD in terms of the CPU side, but I just want your thoughts on the matter if it worth going for a r5 5600 or just going like fuck it and invest in a 7000 series. Should I hold out and wait for lower tiered 7000 series products or just go for 5000 right now?
3879
#3879
0 Frags +

At least wait for 7000 series to come out and see if they're worth the money/price drops in older cards.

At least wait for 7000 series to come out and see if they're worth the money/price drops in older cards.
3880
#3880
0 Frags +

@Setsul, how do you know so much about computer architecture? Do you have a masters in Computer Engineering?

@Setsul, how do you know so much about computer architecture? Do you have a masters in Computer Engineering?
3881
#3881
1 Frags +

#3878
The 5600 is a 150$ CPU, the 7600X is a 300$ CPU. Are you asking me if a 300$ CPU is worth it?
It is ~35% faster, no idea if that's worth it to you.

For lower tiered 7000s you'd have to be fairly patient. The 5600 was released 2 years after 5600X because AMD was doing far too well selling the more expensive models to bother with cheaper ones.
APUs are planned for the end of 2023, so that's still a year away.
You could wait until Intel releases the 13600K and so on (20th October) and hope that reduces the 7600X slightly, but that's about it.

#3879
This is about CPUs. No, using the exact same numbers for both is not doing AMD any favours.

#3880
Not a masters but yes.
Though this is a hobby and has little to do with computer architecture.
Basically, this page scratches the surface of computer architecture, the other 20 tell you if it's worth buying.

#3878
The 5600 is a 150$ CPU, the 7600X is a 300$ CPU. Are you asking me if a 300$ CPU is worth it?
It is ~35% faster, no idea if that's worth it to you.

For lower tiered 7000s you'd have to be fairly patient. The 5600 was released 2 years after 5600X because AMD was doing far too well selling the more expensive models to bother with cheaper ones.
APUs are planned for the end of 2023, so that's still a year away.
You could wait until Intel releases the 13600K and so on (20th October) and hope that reduces the 7600X slightly, but that's about it.

#3879
This is about CPUs. No, using the exact same numbers for both is not doing AMD any favours.

#3880
Not a masters but yes.
Though this is a hobby and has little to do with computer architecture.
Basically, [url=https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-7600x/2.html]this page[/url] scratches the surface of computer architecture, the other 20 tell you if it's worth buying.
3882
#3882
2 Frags +

Any feedback on this build?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rpQ4wc

It's for a friend, his main games are risk of rain, elden ring, cyberpunk, and some Rust. I've not done a tonne of research but afaik the 5600x is still one of the best of the cheaper AMD CPUs, the 6700XT was chosen to try and take advantage of the AMD smart access memory/ReBar.

Though I dunno if going intel would be better with an older series 20xx nvidia card could be a better shout, GPU prices still a little bit wild.

Any feedback on this build?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rpQ4wc

It's for a friend, his main games are risk of rain, elden ring, cyberpunk, and some Rust. I've not done a tonne of research but afaik the 5600x is still one of the best of the cheaper AMD CPUs, the 6700XT was chosen to try and take advantage of the AMD smart access memory/ReBar.

Though I dunno if going intel would be better with an older series 20xx nvidia card could be a better shout, GPU prices still a little bit wild.
3883
#3883
2 Frags +

#3882
The 5600X is a bit too old to be the best deal at this point. There's a reason why the 5500 and 5600 were released this year, they simply fill the budget niche much better due to being much cheaper while not being that much slower.
Especially an overclocked 5500 is really hard to beat.
The 5600G is technically slightly faster than the 5600 while including an integrated GPU and being slightly cheaper, but it doesn't support PCIe 4.0 so it's a bit of a sidegrade. Worth considering in combination with a B450 mobo to get 5600 performance at 5500 price.
A cheaper cooler should also suffice for any of these, even for overclocking.

Though honestly it boils down to this: If it's about the budget the 5500 with the stock cooler is unbeatable, if it's about performance then the 5600X and 12400(F) might be very close but 12500 and 12600 also exist.

Other than that cheaper mobos exist, a 750W PSU is a bit overkill for a 400W build and a cheaper/smaller case would be possible.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9yK6PX

#3882
The 5600X is a bit too old to be the best deal at this point. There's a reason why the 5500 and 5600 were released this year, they simply fill the budget niche much better due to being much cheaper while not being that much slower.
Especially an overclocked 5500 is really hard to beat.
The 5600G is technically slightly faster than the 5600 while including an integrated GPU and being slightly cheaper, but it doesn't support PCIe 4.0 so it's a bit of a sidegrade. Worth considering in combination with a B450 mobo to get 5600 performance at 5500 price.
A cheaper cooler should also suffice for any of these, even for overclocking.

Though honestly it boils down to this: If it's about the budget the 5500 with the stock cooler is unbeatable, if it's about performance then the 5600X and 12400(F) might be very close but 12500 and 12600 also exist.

Other than that cheaper mobos exist, a 750W PSU is a bit overkill for a 400W build and a cheaper/smaller case would be possible.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9yK6PX
3884
#3884
1 Frags +
Setsul5500

5500 got half the cache of 5600(X) and its pcie 3.0 only

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https://i.imgur.com/Uc8Dao0.png

mf took so long to upgrade they made a 5600 specifically for him and he now wants to buy a cpu the price of a 5600+mobo+ram combined. gg.
[quote=Setsul]5500[/quote]
5500 got half the cache of 5600(X) and its pcie 3.0 only
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/Uc8Dao0.png[/img]mf took so long to upgrade they made a 5600 specifically for him and he now wants to buy a cpu the price of a 5600+mobo+ram combined. gg.[/spoiler]
3885
#3885
0 Frags +
jnkiSetsul55005500 got half the cache of 5600(X) and its pcie 3.0 only
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https://i.imgur.com/Uc8Dao0.png

mf took so long to upgrade they made a 5600 specifically for him and he now wants to buy a cpu the price of a 5600+mobo+ram combined. gg.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that and the BIOS update.
The 5500 is basically a 5600G with the clockrates of a 5300G and without the iGPU, so same advice as with the 5600G applies.
A B450 mobo whose BIOS can be updated without a CPU will be cheaper at the cost of fewer USB ports and no PCIe 4.0, which doesn't matter in case of the 5500 and 5600G because they don't have it anyway.

The build I linked is a mix of things, I don't really recommend spending 50 quid on a cooler for a CPU that only costs 120.
Basically that cooler and mobo and 5600(X) for overclocking, B450 mobo with BIOS flashback and no/stock cooler for a 5500 or maybe 5600G.

To be fair, a 5600X now costs less than 200$, the MSRP of the 5600. And the 7600X is very tempting.

[quote=jnki][quote=Setsul]5500[/quote]
5500 got half the cache of 5600(X) and its pcie 3.0 only
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/Uc8Dao0.png[/img]mf took so long to upgrade they made a 5600 specifically for him and he now wants to buy a cpu the price of a 5600+mobo+ram combined. gg.[/spoiler][/quote]
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that and the BIOS update.
The 5500 is basically a 5600G with the clockrates of a 5300G and without the iGPU, so same advice as with the 5600G applies.
A B450 mobo whose BIOS can be updated without a CPU will be cheaper at the cost of fewer USB ports and no PCIe 4.0, which doesn't matter in case of the 5500 and 5600G because they don't have it anyway.

The build I linked is a mix of things, I don't really recommend spending 50 quid on a cooler for a CPU that only costs 120.
Basically that cooler and mobo and 5600(X) for overclocking, B450 mobo with BIOS flashback and no/stock cooler for a 5500 or maybe 5600G.

To be fair, a 5600X now costs less than 200$, the MSRP of the 5600. And the 7600X is very tempting.
3886
#3886
0 Frags +
SetsulTo be fair, a 5600X now costs less than 200$, the MSRP of the 5600.

And so is 5600 below its own msrp substantially, the price delta between the two CPUs and their msrps is on a country basis but its certainly non negligible on a budget build.

Setsul And the 7600X is very tempting.

Yes it looks spicy indeed, but, it draws like a 12600k, costs on its own more than a whole zen 3 kit, and sells either right on its msrp or 10% above it in the case of UK market while also needing a 50 quid cooler. Gotta play the waiting game again or pay the adopter fee and fork some serious paper.

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[quote=Setsul]To be fair, a 5600X now costs less than 200$, the MSRP of the 5600.[/quote]
And so is 5600 below its own msrp substantially, the price delta between the two CPUs and their msrps is on a country basis but its certainly non negligible on a budget build.
[quote=Setsul] And the 7600X is very tempting.[/quote]
Yes it looks spicy indeed, [u]but[/u], it draws like a 12600k, costs on its own more than a whole zen 3 kit, and sells either right on its msrp or 10% above it in the case of UK market while also needing a 50 quid cooler. Gotta play the waiting game again or pay the adopter fee and fork some serious paper.
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/pZrg262.png[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/3Ij3CHy.png[/img][/spoiler]
3887
#3887
0 Frags +
jnkiSetsulTo be fair, a 5600X now costs less than 200$, the MSRP of the 5600.And so is 5600 below its own msrp substantially, the price delta between the two CPUs and their msrps is on a country basis but its certainly non negligible on a budget build.

The point is that now the comparison of 5600X and 12400 actually makes sense because they both cost ~190.
So in terms of price the 5600X became the 5600 murkscribe wanted, while the 5500 has taken the place of cheapest recent 6 core CPU and the 5600 is somewhere in limbo between them.

jnkiSetsul And the 7600X is very tempting.Yes it looks spicy indeed, but, it draws like a 12600k, costs on its own more than a whole zen 3 kit, and sells either right on its msrp or 10% above it in the case of UK market while also needing a 50 quid cooler. Gotta play the waiting game again or pay the adopter fee and fork some serious paper.
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Oh, I never said it's anywhere near the same budget, just that it's tempting.
And for all we know murkscribe is going to wait so long that the 7600 is released.

[quote=jnki][quote=Setsul]To be fair, a 5600X now costs less than 200$, the MSRP of the 5600.[/quote]
And so is 5600 below its own msrp substantially, the price delta between the two CPUs and their msrps is on a country basis but its certainly non negligible on a budget build.[/quote]
The point is that now the comparison of 5600X and 12400 actually makes sense because they both cost ~190.
So in terms of price the 5600X became the 5600 murkscribe wanted, while the 5500 has taken the place of cheapest recent 6 core CPU and the 5600 is somewhere in limbo between them.

[quote=jnki][quote=Setsul] And the 7600X is very tempting.[/quote]
Yes it looks spicy indeed, [u]but[/u], it draws like a 12600k, costs on its own more than a whole zen 3 kit, and sells either right on its msrp or 10% above it in the case of UK market while also needing a 50 quid cooler. Gotta play the waiting game again or pay the adopter fee and fork some serious paper.
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/pZrg262.png[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/3Ij3CHy.png[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
Oh, I never said it's anywhere near the same budget, just that it's tempting.
And for all we know murkscribe is going to wait so long that the 7600 is released.
3888
#3888
0 Frags +

Hello. I'd like to get a config to run tf2 on the highest videosetting with good fps (100+)
I was told to ask for info here.
Right now as a processor I have a i5-6400 and as a graphics card I have GTX 750 Ti and 8 Gb ram
I was told TF2 uses the processor mostly. Should I only change my processor here?

Hello. I'd like to get a config to run tf2 on the highest videosetting with good fps (100+)
I was told to ask for info here.
Right now as a processor I have a i5-6400 and as a graphics card I have GTX 750 Ti and 8 Gb ram
I was told TF2 uses the processor mostly. Should I only change my processor here?
3889
#3889
4 Frags +

Frankly, I've got no idea what you'd need on the highest settings, because uuuuh we don't do that here.
One easy test you could do though is checking the GPU usage. If it's at 100%, then you definitely need a faster one.

For the CPU, you're limited by the mainboard. The fastest you can get that fits, an i7-7700K, would be 35-40% faster. You'd have to find a used one, because they are not sold anymore.

Now, that means if you're getting less than 70 fps on those settings right now, that CPU wouldn't be enough. In that case you'd need a new mainboard as well, so you can get a newer CPU, and depending on what RAM you've got it might not fit either, then you'd need new RAM too. Worst case, the GPU also isn't fast enough, and then you essentially need a completely new pc.
I'm not sure if you've got the budget for that.

Anyway, check GPU usage, if it's significantly less than 100% you should only need a new CPU.
If you're getting more than 70 fps as it is, look for a 7700K, maybe 7600K. More than 80 fps and you can probably get away with a 7700 or 7600. That should get you just about 100 fps.
If you're getting less than 70 fps and it's not the GPU, or you simply want significantly more than 100 fps, then it needs to be a bigger upgrade.

Frankly, I've got no idea what you'd need on the highest settings, because uuuuh we don't do that here.
One easy test you could do though is checking the GPU usage. If it's at 100%, then you definitely need a faster one.

For the CPU, you're limited by the mainboard. The fastest you can get that fits, an i7-7700K, would be 35-40% faster. You'd have to find a used one, because they are not sold anymore.

Now, that means if you're getting less than 70 fps on those settings right now, that CPU wouldn't be enough. In that case you'd need a new mainboard as well, so you can get a newer CPU, and depending on what RAM you've got it might not fit either, then you'd need new RAM too. Worst case, the GPU also isn't fast enough, and then you essentially need a completely new pc.
I'm not sure if you've got the budget for that.

Anyway, check GPU usage, if it's significantly less than 100% you should only need a new CPU.
If you're getting more than 70 fps as it is, look for a 7700K, maybe 7600K. More than 80 fps and you can probably get away with a 7700 or 7600. That should get you just about 100 fps.
If you're getting less than 70 fps and it's not the GPU, or you simply want significantly more than 100 fps, then it needs to be a bigger upgrade.
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#3890
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hi mr Setsul. anything wrong here?
https://sk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ddZPLs
going amd because cheapest ddr5 z690 (non-asrock) here is 300+, might as well futureproof for AM5 3d vcache
aiming for stable 240 for tf2 and overwatch on low, 100ish and up for tripleA 1080p, occasional light workload
thank u sm

quick edit: would the 7600x benefit from aio (something like nzxt z63) or is beefy air cooler enough? also any need for b650e compared to b650?

hi mr Setsul. anything wrong here?
https://sk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ddZPLs
going amd because cheapest ddr5 z690 (non-asrock) here is 300+, might as well futureproof for AM5 3d vcache
aiming for stable 240 for tf2 and overwatch on low, 100ish and up for tripleA 1080p, occasional light workload
thank u sm

quick edit: would the 7600x benefit from aio (something like nzxt z63) or is beefy air cooler enough? also any need for b650e compared to b650?
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#3891
0 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/axSyQcc.png

[img]https://i.imgur.com/axSyQcc.png[/img]
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#3892
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#3890 im not 100% up to date on it but 7xxx amd ramps up to thermal limit pretty fast and stays there as its intended... curve? ramp up? no real need for E board in this use case, and if youre looking to cut a few $ 67/6800xt is comparable or better for less/equal money, (and honestly, cpu x264 encoding for obs or whatnot can be done pretty handily with the amount of threads most viable cpus have nowadays)

for reference in ow, i get 144 locked on OW low w/ a 3600 and 1060

#3890 im not 100% up to date on it but 7xxx amd ramps up to thermal limit pretty fast and stays there as its intended... curve? ramp up? no real need for E board in this use case, and if youre looking to cut a few $ 67/6800xt is comparable or better for less/equal money, (and honestly, cpu x264 encoding for obs or whatnot can be done pretty handily with the amount of threads most viable cpus have nowadays)

for reference in ow, i get 144 locked on OW low w/ a 3600 and 1060
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#3893
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jnkihttps://i.imgur.com/axSyQcc.png

This is why i asked mr Setsul not mr Noob, you see, my pc case of choice is mATX.

BuildBruh

Yeah i heard they get hot, but i'd rather not have cpu at 95° at all times if i could help it, and while i prefer air cooling over an aio, i don't mind going liquid if it means my cpu is not cooking itself every day. Just not sure if air cooling is still relevant with this gen of crazy hot and power hungry cpus.

[quote=jnki][img]https://i.imgur.com/axSyQcc.png[/img][/quote]
This is why i asked mr Setsul not mr Noob, you see, my pc case of choice is mATX.
[quote=BuildBruh] [/quote]
Yeah i heard they get hot, but i'd rather not have cpu at 95° at all times if i could help it, and while i prefer air cooling over an aio, i don't mind going liquid if it means my cpu is not cooking itself every day. Just not sure if air cooling is still relevant with this gen of crazy hot and power hungry cpus.
3894
#3894
2 Frags +

#3890
No, can't see anything wrong with it.
#3891 does have a point though, there should be cheaper Z690 boards, and cheaper B650(E) boards for that matter. PCPartpicker probably does not have a lot of slovakian shops. I mean every part in that list shows only alza, which probably wasn't even added specifically for slovakia, they just added it to a dozen countries.

I dislike aios. https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#555
The Z63 specifically is a big no because you'd be paying 100 bucks for an LED display. The X63 is ok.
If you do care about the noise levels you could get an NH-U12A for less, if you don't you could slap 2000 or even 3000 rpm fans on an NH-D15 (or any dual tower really).
Honestly, for the price of a Z63 you can get a full watercooling kit that'll blow it out of the water, pun very much intended.
An NH-D15 should really be enough though.

B650E got PCIe 5.0. Do you want/need PCIe 5.0? Get B650E. Otherwise B650.

#3890
No, can't see anything wrong with it.
#3891 does have a point though, there should be cheaper Z690 boards, and cheaper B650(E) boards for that matter. PCPartpicker probably does not have a lot of slovakian shops. I mean every part in that list shows only alza, which probably wasn't even added specifically for slovakia, they just added it to a dozen countries.

I dislike aios. https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#555
The Z63 specifically is a big no because you'd be paying 100 bucks for an LED display. The X63 is ok.
If you do care about the noise levels you could get an NH-U12A for less, if you don't you could slap 2000 or even 3000 rpm fans on an NH-D15 (or any dual tower really).
Honestly, for the price of a Z63 you can get a full watercooling kit that'll blow it out of the water, pun very much intended.
An NH-D15 should really be enough though.

B650E got PCIe 5.0. Do you want/need PCIe 5.0? Get B650E. Otherwise B650.
3895
#3895
0 Frags +
Setsul

yeah no alza is pretty much the only retailer here that has ok return policies and customer service, unfortunately dont have the luxury of comparing prices between stores. only mentioned the z63 because its on sale here for 160, the nhd15 is 110 and nhu12a is 125. also full water cooling kit is a no go for me, i dont trust myself working with liquids near electronics. and yes, i really dont see the point of pcie 5.0, not even in couple of years.
thank u for validation, see you in benchmarks thread when its complete.

[quote=Setsul][/quote]
yeah no alza is pretty much the only retailer here that has ok return policies and customer service, unfortunately dont have the luxury of comparing prices between stores. only mentioned the z63 because its on sale here for 160, the nhd15 is 110 and nhu12a is 125. also full water cooling kit is a no go for me, i dont trust myself working with liquids near electronics. and yes, i really dont see the point of pcie 5.0, not even in couple of years.
thank u for validation, see you in benchmarks thread when its complete.
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#3896
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Hello, I was considering making the move to 1440p since my hardware is capable of handling it in most games now, but I'm struggling to pick a good monitor. There are a few on sale this week with all the Black Friday/Cyber w/e Electric Boogaloo25 events, but idk if they're actually good. I'm only considering VA and IPS panels (no TN) because I do a lot of video editing and therefore want good colors and contrast; I also (but less so) care about responsiveness in FPS such as TF2 (though not sure about the difference between MPRT response time and other measurements). 144Hz-165Hz is probably my goal, along with wanting to be able to make use of adaptative sync in more demanding games where useful (I'm not entirely sure about the differences between Premium and basic Freesync, G-SYNC intended and G-SYNC compatible anymore, feel free to tell me if they are actually noticeable; my GPU is a 3070 if that matters).

My current panel is a 1080p144 AOC 24" curved VA from 2018, curved feels nice so I could go for a curved panel again, and I quite liked VA so far so unless IPS has some good arguments for a change I would probably go for VA again. I don't really feel like going above 30", 27" would probably be the sweet spot for 1440p. Ideally I don't want to spend above 350 euros on the monitor unless there are no genuinely good choices below that price tag.

The few 27" VA models that are currently on sale in French shops such as LDLC and Materiel.net are the following:

- MSI 27" Optix G27CQ4 (250€)
- Samsung 27" Odyssey G5 C27G55TQWR (250€)
- Asus TUF VG27WQ1B (330€, 27" IPS version (VG27AQ) at same price, 31.5" VA version (VG32VQ1BR) on sale and cheaper than its 27" counterpart somehow (300€), weird idk lol)

Outside of sales, there's also the ASUS TUF VG27WQ for 350€ I guess. The AOC CQ27G2U and Q27G2U are at 300€, I had a decent experience with AOC on my current panel so that could be a logical path too. The Gigabyte G27QC A is at 270€, just like the Acer Nitro XV272UPbmiiprzx.

Feel free to suggest a completely different model if you think it's worth it, notably even IPS ones if you think I would be better off having IPS instead of VA even though I spend a lot of time editing. If anything in my use case information is unclear feel free to ask for a clarification.

Hello, I was considering making the move to 1440p since my hardware is capable of handling it in most games now, but I'm struggling to pick a good monitor. There are a few on sale this week with all the Black Friday/Cyber w/e Electric Boogaloo25 events, but idk if they're actually good. I'm only considering VA and IPS panels (no TN) because I do a lot of video editing and therefore want good colors and contrast; I also (but less so) care about responsiveness in FPS such as TF2 (though not sure about the difference between MPRT response time and other measurements). 144Hz-165Hz is probably my goal, along with wanting to be able to make use of adaptative sync in more demanding games where useful (I'm not entirely sure about the differences between Premium and basic Freesync, G-SYNC intended and G-SYNC compatible anymore, feel free to tell me if they are actually noticeable; my GPU is a 3070 if that matters).

My current panel is a 1080p144 AOC 24" curved VA from 2018, curved feels nice so I could go for a curved panel again, and I quite liked VA so far so unless IPS has some good arguments for a change I would probably go for VA again. I don't really feel like going above 30", 27" would probably be the sweet spot for 1440p. Ideally I don't want to spend above 350 euros on the monitor unless there are no genuinely good choices below that price tag.

The few 27" VA models that are currently on sale in French shops such as LDLC and Materiel.net are the following:

- MSI 27" Optix G27CQ4 (250€)
- Samsung 27" Odyssey G5 C27G55TQWR (250€)
- Asus TUF VG27WQ1B (330€, 27" IPS version (VG27AQ) at same price, 31.5" VA version (VG32VQ1BR) on sale and cheaper than its 27" counterpart somehow (300€), weird idk lol)

Outside of sales, there's also the ASUS TUF VG27WQ for 350€ I guess. The AOC CQ27G2U and Q27G2U are at 300€, I had a decent experience with AOC on my current panel so that could be a logical path too. The Gigabyte G27QC A is at 270€, just like the Acer Nitro XV272UPbmiiprzx.

Feel free to suggest a completely different model if you think it's worth it, notably even IPS ones if you think I would be better off having IPS instead of VA even though I spend a lot of time editing. If anything in my use case information is unclear feel free to ask for a clarification.
3897
#3897
2 Frags +

https://www.dealabs.com/bons-plans/ecran-de-pc-27-lg-ultragear-lg-27gp850-b-2442164
https://www.boulanger.com/ref/1163044
review
pros: good response time/motion clarity; 10 bit panel(1bil colors vs 16.7mil on 8bit or 6bit+FRC); decent feature amount be it connectivity or variable refresh rate;
cons: I think red subpixels are a tiny bit slow like on most quantum dot panels but I dont think its a dealbreaker, should perform better than your or any other VA panel in gaming regardless; the stand doesnt swivel left right(horizontal) like on expensive benq's so check to see if your keyboard wont get in its way on the desk

LeonhardBrolerFeel free to suggest a completely different model if you think it's worth it, notably even IPS ones if you think I would be better off having IPS instead of VA

yes

LeonhardBrolerso unless IPS has some good arguments for a change I would probably go for VA again

super laymans terms and probably lacking elaboration/full picture but essentially VA has good contrast and blacks for super cheap(thank you samsung very cool) at the cost of motion clarity (MSRP). VA is prone to have black smearing, ghosting and no overdrive setting will make it better, the undershoot is horrible

any questions? ask away, i cba

https://www.dealabs.com/bons-plans/ecran-de-pc-27-lg-ultragear-lg-27gp850-b-2442164
https://www.boulanger.com/ref/1163044
[url=https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gp850-b]review[/url]
pros: good response time/motion clarity; 10 bit panel(1bil colors vs 16.7mil on 8bit or 6bit+FRC); decent feature amount be it connectivity or variable refresh rate;
cons: I think red subpixels are a tiny bit slow like on most quantum dot panels but I dont think its a dealbreaker, should perform better than your or any other VA panel in gaming regardless; the stand doesnt swivel left right(horizontal) like on expensive benq's so check to see if your keyboard wont get in its way on the desk
[quote=LeonhardBroler]
Feel free to suggest a completely different model if you think it's worth it, notably even IPS ones if you think I would be better off having IPS instead of VA[/quote]
yes
[quote=LeonhardBroler]so unless IPS has some good arguments for a change I would probably go for VA again[/quote]
super laymans terms and probably lacking elaboration/full picture but essentially VA has good contrast and blacks for super cheap(thank you samsung very cool) at the cost of motion clarity (MSRP). VA is prone to have black smearing, ghosting and no overdrive setting will make it better, the undershoot is horrible

any questions? ask away, i cba
3898
#3898
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thanks for the recommendations and explanations narkkari, I could fancy IPS I guess. the only thing with the LG you recommended is it seems like the earliest I can get it is February 14 for some reason lol, idk if Boulanger's website is bugged or smth

How comparable in quality are the following 27" IPS? (I picked the ones that seem to be available and of comparable pricing)

- iiyama G-Master G2770QSU-B1 and Iiyama G-Master GB2770QSU-B1
- Samsung Odyssey G5 S27AG500NU
- Acer Nitro VG270UPbmiipx
- Gigabyte G27Q
- AOC Q27G2S
- Asus TUF VG27AQ and Asus TUF VG27AQ1A (not sure about the difference between IPS and Fast IPS)

Also side note: I haven't yet put my 3070 in my PC, got it very recently, and I was wondering whether I should get a 650, 700, or 750W PSU (current is a 500W one which definitely won't work). I'm gonna get an 80+ Gold probably, from be quiet/Corsair/Seasonic most likely. I have a 5800X that is not OC'd, only PBO+undervolting, 1 M.2 SSD, 1 SATA SSD, 1 SATA HDD, 6 fans total (counting the CPU push-and-pull ones), 4 sticks of DDR4, and my GPU is an OC version (but that's very common). be quiet's calculator for instance estimates the max power draw at 615 with all those details, making 80+ Gold 650W PSUs workable but relatively tight. Should I play safe and get 700/750W or is it overkill?

thanks for the recommendations and explanations narkkari, I could fancy IPS I guess. the only thing with the LG you recommended is it seems like the earliest I can get it is February 14 for some reason lol, idk if Boulanger's website is bugged or smth

How comparable in quality are the following 27" IPS? (I picked the ones that seem to be available and of comparable pricing)

- iiyama G-Master G2770QSU-B1 and Iiyama G-Master GB2770QSU-B1
- Samsung Odyssey G5 S27AG500NU
- Acer Nitro VG270UPbmiipx
- Gigabyte G27Q
- AOC Q27G2S
- Asus TUF VG27AQ and Asus TUF VG27AQ1A (not sure about the difference between IPS and Fast IPS)

Also side note: I haven't yet put my 3070 in my PC, got it very recently, and I was wondering whether I should get a 650, 700, or 750W PSU (current is a 500W one which definitely won't work). I'm gonna get an 80+ Gold probably, from be quiet/Corsair/Seasonic most likely. I have a 5800X that is not OC'd, only PBO+undervolting, 1 M.2 SSD, 1 SATA SSD, 1 SATA HDD, 6 fans total (counting the CPU push-and-pull ones), 4 sticks of DDR4, and my GPU is an OC version (but that's very common). be quiet's calculator for instance estimates the max power draw at 615 with all those details, making 80+ Gold 650W PSUs workable but relatively tight. Should I play safe and get 700/750W or is it overkill?
3899
#3899
2 Frags +
LeonhardBrolerbe quiet's calculator for instance estimates the max power draw at 615 with all those details, making 80+ Gold 650W PSUs workable but relatively tight. Should I play safe and get 700/750W or is it overkill?

Why wouldn't a 650W PSU work? If a 650W PSU can't handle 615W load, it's not a 650W PSU.

Overcurrent protection is usually set to trip at around 120% rated load, so it's not like that would mess things up. If the 3070 somehow gets an absolutely terrifying spike to >600W so that it and 150W from the 5800X maybe just barely exceed that, then you really want the PSU to shut down.

For that matter, 20ms spikes on the 3070 seem to be around 300W, and the 5800X should be limited to 142W even when boosting. Unless you manually increase that, you could get away with a 500W PSU if it's a good one.

[quote=LeonhardBroler]be quiet's calculator for instance estimates the max power draw at 615 with all those details, making 80+ Gold 650W PSUs workable but relatively tight. Should I play safe and get 700/750W or is it overkill?[/quote]
Why wouldn't a 650W PSU work? If a 650W PSU can't handle 615W load, it's not a 650W PSU.

Overcurrent protection is usually set to trip at around 120% rated load, so it's not like that would mess things up. If the 3070 somehow gets an absolutely terrifying spike to >600W so that it and 150W from the 5800X maybe just barely exceed that, then you really [i]want[/i] the PSU to shut down.

For that matter, 20ms spikes on the 3070 seem to be around 300W, and the 5800X should be limited to 142W even when boosting. Unless you manually increase that, you could get away with a 500W PSU if it's a good one.
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#3900
0 Frags +

Alright thanks a lot for the PSU input Setsul, makes sense. Do you have an opinion regarding the monitors?

Alright thanks a lot for the PSU input Setsul, makes sense. Do you have an opinion regarding the monitors?
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