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3901
#3901
2 Frags +

yeah well reading the comments on the french deals website it apparently ran out of stock yesterday(?) so eh, its on another website still for 299 according to pcpartpicker or 350 on spanish amazon, every other amazon is 400+
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/WWcG3C/lg-27gp850-b-270-2560x1440-165-hz-monitor-27gp850-b
https://www.fnac.com/Ecran-PC-Gaming-LG-UltraGear-27GP850-B-27-LED-QHD-Noir-mat/a16147192/
says ships from Dec 2nd

most of these were cheaper before black friday(30-100eur), make of that what you will

Iiyama GB2770QSU-B1(2021) - 290eur G2770QSU-B1(2022) - 300eur, the only difference between the two is the stand and probably a slightly better panel on the newer revision idk
wont blow you out of the water, Okayge

Samsung Odyssey G5 S27AG500NU(2021) - 254eur amazon.pl, seems like just a lower binned, slower LG panel, no idea
B+

Acer Nitro VG270UPbmiipx(2018) ~250 eur
pros: slightly cheaper than the rest, went on sale for 200eur twice in the past month and a half
cons: shit panel from 2018, no color accuracy, no response time, 144hz, one of the HDMI ports is 1.4
skip

Gigabyte G27Q(2020) - 290eur 144hz native, 165 overclock, so expect pisspoor picture quality or overshoot at 165hz
Okayge

AOC Q27G2S(2020) - 290eur, neither fast nor color accurate

ASUS TUF VG27AQ(2019) - 350eur starting price for this is questionable, its just a gaming model, color gamut 8bit which is not ideal considering all of the aforementioned models and its only faster than the acer nitro which is hot garbage
TUF VG27AQ1A(2020) - a newer revision that has 10bit but cuts down on brightness from 320 nits on the 2019rev to 250 on this one making them dimmer than the acer nitro
neither worth bothering

lg is the one that is most worthwhile, then samsung/gigabyte
iiyama if you get a good deal is not the worst thing in the world
acer and asus are just not worth considering

I strongly urge you to read and watch some reviews on youtube of these remaining monitors before deciding, these people actually thoroughly test response times, motion clarity and color accuracy with 800eur calibrators
skip the casual reviewers that only show B-roll and quickly demonstrate the monitor like its an ad read
rtings.com and hardware unboxed on yt is a good starting point, there are a few more credible reviewers
full disclosure I've only looked at LG for an extended period of time earlier this year and it still seems to be the price to performace king this year

yeah well reading the comments on the french deals website it apparently ran out of stock yesterday(?) so eh, its on another website still for 299 according to pcpartpicker or 350 on spanish amazon, every other amazon is 400+
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/WWcG3C/lg-27gp850-b-270-2560x1440-165-hz-monitor-27gp850-b
https://www.fnac.com/Ecran-PC-Gaming-LG-UltraGear-27GP850-B-27-LED-QHD-Noir-mat/a16147192/
says ships from Dec 2nd

most of these were cheaper before black friday(30-100eur), make of that what you will

Iiyama [url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/9df1259a]GB2770QSU-B1(2021)[/url] - 290eur [url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/f34c2ea8]G2770QSU-B1(2022)[/url] - 300eur, the only difference between the two is the stand and probably a slightly better panel on the newer revision idk
wont blow you out of the water, Okayge

[url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/890026bc]Samsung Odyssey G5 S27AG500NU(2021)[/url] - 254eur amazon.pl, seems like just a lower binned, slower LG panel, no idea
B+

[url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/a95114cb]Acer Nitro VG270UPbmiipx(2018)[/url] ~250 eur
pros: slightly cheaper than the rest, went on sale for 200eur twice in the past month and a half
cons: shit panel from 2018, no color accuracy, no response time, 144hz, one of the HDMI ports is 1.4
skip

[url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/c7111ec7]Gigabyte G27Q(2020)[/url] - 290eur 144hz native, 165 overclock, so expect pisspoor picture quality or overshoot at 165hz
Okayge

[url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/4b951f34]AOC Q27G2S(2020)[/url] - 290eur, neither fast nor color accurate

ASUS [url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/3b601b26]TUF VG27AQ(2019)[/url] - 350eur starting price for this is questionable, its just a gaming model, color gamut 8bit which is not ideal considering all of the aforementioned models and its only faster than the acer nitro which is hot garbage
[url=https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/577e20fa]TUF VG27AQ1A(2020)[/url] - a newer revision that has 10bit but cuts down on brightness from 320 nits on the 2019rev to 250 on this one making them dimmer than the acer nitro
neither worth bothering

lg is the one that is most worthwhile, then samsung/gigabyte
iiyama if you get a good deal is not the worst thing in the world
acer and asus are just not worth considering

I strongly urge you to read and watch some reviews on youtube of these remaining monitors before deciding, these people actually thoroughly test response times, motion clarity and color accuracy with 800eur calibrators
skip the casual reviewers that only show B-roll and quickly demonstrate the monitor like its an ad read
rtings.com and hardware unboxed on yt is a good starting point, there are a few more credible reviewers
full disclosure I've only looked at LG for an extended period of time earlier this year and it still seems to be the price to performace king this year
3902
#3902
2 Frags +
LeonhardBrolerAlright thanks a lot for the PSU input Setsul, makes sense. Do you have an opinion regarding the monitors?

I'm not up to date on current models and don't really have the time to go down that rabbit hole right now.

[quote=LeonhardBroler]Alright thanks a lot for the PSU input Setsul, makes sense. Do you have an opinion regarding the monitors?[/quote]
I'm not up to date on current models and don't really have the time to go down that rabbit hole right now.
3903
#3903
0 Frags +
SetsulI'm not up to date on current models and don't really have the time to go down that rabbit hole right now.

that sounds very fair, thanks for the help so far nevertheless

jnkilg is the one that is most worthwhile, then samsung/gigabyte
iiyama if you get a good deal is not the worst thing in the world
acer and asus are just not worth considering

epic, thanks for the detailed opinion, I'll check out some more thorough reviews of the LG but it's probably the one I'll go for

[quote=Setsul]I'm not up to date on current models and don't really have the time to go down that rabbit hole right now.[/quote]
that sounds very fair, thanks for the help so far nevertheless

[quote=jnki]lg is the one that is most worthwhile, then samsung/gigabyte
iiyama if you get a good deal is not the worst thing in the world
acer and asus are just not worth considering[/quote]
epic, thanks for the detailed opinion, I'll check out some more thorough reviews of the LG but it's probably the one I'll go for
3904
#3904
0 Frags +

Might be potentially looking to upgrade cpu and to ddr5 over christmas. I'm thinking either 13700k or 7700x, they both seem to have their advantages while being roughly the same average over a couple of games. The 7700x seems to be very impressive in csgo which I guess translates to tf2 while being slightly cheaper and lower power consumption. However the 13700k seems to be impressively stable in games with very impressive low 1% avg fps.

I'm currently running i7-8700k. I do have a noctua nh-d15 which I suppose should be sufficient, though for 7700x ill need to grab a mounting kit. As for the 13700k it seems like you should get a contact frame? I'd also need a new mobo ofc but gotta decide on the cpu first. Thanks!

Might be potentially looking to upgrade cpu and to ddr5 over christmas. I'm thinking either 13700k or 7700x, they both seem to have their advantages while being roughly the same average over a couple of games. The 7700x seems to be very impressive in csgo which I guess translates to tf2 while being slightly cheaper and lower power consumption. However the 13700k seems to be impressively stable in games with very impressive low 1% avg fps.

I'm currently running i7-8700k. I do have a noctua nh-d15 which I suppose should be sufficient, though for 7700x ill need to grab a mounting kit. As for the 13700k it seems like you should get a contact frame? I'd also need a new mobo ofc but gotta decide on the cpu first. Thanks!
3905
#3905
2 Frags +

I mean you've said it yourself? The 7700X is a bit cheaper and more efficient (not as dependent on boost too, 4.5 vs 3.4 base), maybe a bit faster in source engine games (haven't seen it personally though), in everything else the 13700K probably wins.
I'm not sure how much that would change depending on if/how you overclock, but you'll need to decide on that to pick the right mobo.

I should add that the price drop on the 7700X is likely permanent, due to the existence of the 13700K, even though AMD likes to pretend it's a special offer for the holidays.

And another thing: There should be a 7700 (65W non-X) and a 7700X3D or 7800X3D (170W with 3D V-Cache) announced at CES in January. The former would fill the cheaper, more efficient niche better than the 7700X at the cost of being a bit slower or could be pushed to similar performance with a bit of overclocking at the cost of higher power consumption, while remaining cheaper, and the latter should be faster at the cost of being more expensive and more power hungry.
If you're lucky it's a 7700X3D and somewhere between the discounted and launch price of the 7700X (350-400$), if you're unlucky it's a 7800X3D and closer to the 7900X (450-500$).

You could of course make it weird and gamble a bit, buy a 7700X (or even 7600X) now if you find a got deal for a mobo, then upgrade when the 7700X3D is actually released (might be later than the announcement). Could go wrong, could be a 7800X3D that's too expensive for your taste, or you lose too much selling the CPU you initially bought, but it is an option.

I mean you've said it yourself? The 7700X is a bit cheaper and more efficient (not as dependent on boost too, 4.5 vs 3.4 base), maybe a bit faster in source engine games (haven't seen it personally though), in everything else the 13700K probably wins.
I'm not sure how much that would change depending on if/how you overclock, but you'll need to decide on that to pick the right mobo.

I should add that the price drop on the 7700X is likely permanent, due to the existence of the 13700K, even though AMD likes to pretend it's a special offer for the holidays.

And another thing: There should be a 7700 (65W non-X) and a 7700X3D or 7800X3D (170W with 3D V-Cache) announced at CES in January. The former would fill the cheaper, more efficient niche better than the 7700X at the cost of being a bit slower or could be pushed to similar performance with a bit of overclocking at the cost of higher power consumption, while remaining cheaper, and the latter should be faster at the cost of being more expensive and more power hungry.
If you're lucky it's a 7700X3D and somewhere between the discounted and launch price of the 7700X (350-400$), if you're unlucky it's a 7800X3D and closer to the 7900X (450-500$).

You could of course make it weird and gamble a bit, buy a 7700X (or even 7600X) now if you find a got deal for a mobo, then upgrade when the 7700X3D is actually released (might be later than the announcement). Could go wrong, could be a 7800X3D that's too expensive for your taste, or you lose too much selling the CPU you initially bought, but it is an option.
3906
#3906
0 Frags +

For me waiting wouldn't be an issue, my current setup is fine for now. Is overclocking still the thing to do with the new chips? Seems to be a lot of praise for undervolting right now which is what I initially planned. I think the performance of the 13700k draws me in because of games like tarkov and whatever new tripple a's that will come out in the future. But I'll defo wait for 7700X3D and 7800X3D to see the price/performance unless i7 13700k comes on a crazy sale again, a friend got it for 400euros during black friday but I missed it :( Even though I'm planning on undervolting having the option in the future to overclock would be nice so I've been looking a bit at z690 and z790 and I'm leaning towards a z790 I've generally leaned towards asus in the past but they seem to be very expensive right now compared to gigabyte and msi. thanks for thr reply once again Setsul!

For me waiting wouldn't be an issue, my current setup is fine for now. Is overclocking still the thing to do with the new chips? Seems to be a lot of praise for undervolting right now which is what I initially planned. I think the performance of the 13700k draws me in because of games like tarkov and whatever new tripple a's that will come out in the future. But I'll defo wait for 7700X3D and 7800X3D to see the price/performance unless i7 13700k comes on a crazy sale again, a friend got it for 400euros during black friday but I missed it :( Even though I'm planning on undervolting having the option in the future to overclock would be nice so I've been looking a bit at z690 and z790 and I'm leaning towards a z790 I've generally leaned towards asus in the past but they seem to be very expensive right now compared to gigabyte and msi. thanks for thr reply once again Setsul!
3907
#3907
3 Frags +

Well, these days you usually won't get much of an overclock, though it's still possible.
The Intel chips tend to be pretty maxed out and higher all core clocks run into power/temperature issues fairly quickly, but there can be a bit of room for single cores, especially because the standard turbo settings sometimes don't allow the max single core boost on any core, just a select few, and a bit more voltage can help with that.
For Ryzen, the 105W and especially 65W chips obviously have quite a bit of room, though again you'll likely run into temperature issues before voltage becomes a problem, let alone power draw if you've got a mobo that could handle the 170W SKUs.

But generally yes, because temperature is the main issue, the trend is to simply undervolt to keep those CPUs a bit cooler, and let the standard boost mechanisms take care of the rest. The end result is effectively an overclock anyway, because now they can boost higher and/or more often before running into the temperature, power, or voltage limits.

Also, it'll be either a 7700X3D or a 7800X3D. Just one 8 core SKU, as far as I know, with the name depending on the price (and performance segment) they're going for.

If you do get a Z690 mobo, make sure it's one that can have its BIOS updated without a CPU, or you're going to run into some troubles.

Well, these days you usually won't get much of an overclock, though it's still possible.
The Intel chips tend to be pretty maxed out and higher all core clocks run into power/temperature issues fairly quickly, but there can be a bit of room for single cores, especially because the standard turbo settings sometimes don't allow the max single core boost on any core, just a select few, and a bit more voltage can help with that.
For Ryzen, the 105W and especially 65W chips obviously have quite a bit of room, though again you'll likely run into temperature issues before voltage becomes a problem, let alone power draw if you've got a mobo that could handle the 170W SKUs.

But generally yes, because temperature is the main issue, the trend is to simply undervolt to keep those CPUs a bit cooler, and let the standard boost mechanisms take care of the rest. The end result is effectively an overclock anyway, because now they can boost higher and/or more often before running into the temperature, power, or voltage limits.

Also, it'll be either a 7700X3D [b]or[/b] a 7800X3D. Just one 8 core SKU, as far as I know, with the name depending on the price (and performance segment) they're going for.

If you do get a Z690 mobo, make sure it's one that can have its BIOS updated without a CPU, or you're going to run into some troubles.
3908
#3908
0 Frags +
SetsulIf you do get a Z690 mobo, make sure it's one that can have its BIOS updated without a CPU, or you're going to run into some troubles.

good shout, thanks!

[quote=Setsul]If you do get a Z690 mobo, make sure it's one that can have its BIOS updated without a CPU, or you're going to run into some troubles.[/quote]

good shout, thanks!
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