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#3841
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I'm planning on buying a third monitor but my issue is that my graphics card has 2 display ports, 1 usb-c and 2 hdmi. I read somewhere that newer hdmi cables support 144hz. How do I know if my rtx2070 and xl2411p support 144hz on hdmi though? It seems that the xl2411p has hdmi 1.4 and the rtx2070 has hdmi 2. I guess the alternative could be to use some kind of displayport to usb-c, if that would even work

I'm planning on buying a third monitor but my issue is that my graphics card has 2 display ports, 1 usb-c and 2 hdmi. I read somewhere that newer hdmi cables support 144hz. How do I know if my rtx2070 and xl2411p support 144hz on hdmi though? It seems that the xl2411p has hdmi 1.4 and the rtx2070 has hdmi 2. I guess the alternative could be to use some kind of displayport to usb-c, if that would even work
3842
#3842
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^ posted too soon. Found displayport to usb-c that supports 144hz :)

^ posted too soon. Found displayport to usb-c that supports 144hz :)
3843
#3843
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DisplayPort 1.0 supports 1080p 144Hz (meaning any DP at all).
HDMI 1.3 supports 1080p 144Hz.
But yes, if you really, really want to, you can use USB-C too.
It's not the easiest way, it is not the cheapest way, it is not the sanest way, it is not even the most logical way, since for USB-C->DP to support 1080p 144Hz DP has to support it on its own and the devices you want to connect both have it, but yes, since in your case literally any cable that fits would work and get you 1080p 144Hz, you can use that way.

I do not recommend it, and I will judge you for it though.

DisplayPort 1.0 supports 1080p 144Hz (meaning any DP at all).
HDMI 1.3 supports 1080p 144Hz.
But yes, if you really, really want to, you can use USB-C too.
It's not the easiest way, it is not the cheapest way, it is not the sanest way, it is not even the most logical way, since for USB-C->DP to support 1080p 144Hz DP has to support it on its own and the devices you want to connect both have it, but yes, since in your case literally any cable that fits would work and get you 1080p 144Hz, you can use that way.

I do not recommend it, and I will judge you for it though.
3844
#3844
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hnsVnt

Trying to build a pc that runs tf2 at 144 fps at all times atleast in a competitive format (6v6), will use masterconfig low aswell as other tf2 optimizations (I like my game to look as shit as possible). Was mainly wondering if I should up the price by a couple hundred bucks to get a better cpu/mobo combo. Planning on getting a gpu from my friend or something of that likes. Ik tf2 doesn’t require much of a gpu so I plan on getting something low end. No plans on streaming or playing other games besides csgo.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hnsVnt

Trying to build a pc that runs tf2 at 144 fps at all times atleast in a competitive format (6v6), will use masterconfig low aswell as other tf2 optimizations (I like my game to look as shit as possible). Was mainly wondering if I should up the price by a couple hundred bucks to get a better cpu/mobo combo. Planning on getting a gpu from my friend or something of that likes. Ik tf2 doesn’t require much of a gpu so I plan on getting something low end. No plans on streaming or playing other games besides csgo.
3845
#3845
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XROLLhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/hnsVnt

Trying to build a pc that runs tf2 at 144 fps at all times atleast in a competitive format (6v6), will use masterconfig low aswell as other tf2 optimizations (I like my game to look as shit as possible). Was mainly wondering if I should up the price by a couple hundred bucks to get a better cpu/mobo combo. Planning on getting a gpu from my friend or something of that likes. Ik tf2 doesn’t require much of a gpu so I plan on getting something low end. No plans on streaming or playing other games besides csgo.

budget?

[quote=XROLL]https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hnsVnt

Trying to build a pc that runs tf2 at 144 fps at all times atleast in a competitive format (6v6), will use masterconfig low aswell as other tf2 optimizations (I like my game to look as shit as possible). Was mainly wondering if I should up the price by a couple hundred bucks to get a better cpu/mobo combo. Planning on getting a gpu from my friend or something of that likes. Ik tf2 doesn’t require much of a gpu so I plan on getting something low end. No plans on streaming or playing other games besides csgo.[/quote]
budget?
3846
#3846
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aieraXROLLhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/hnsVnt

Trying to build a pc that runs tf2 at 144 fps at all times atleast in a competitive format (6v6), will use masterconfig low aswell as other tf2 optimizations (I like my game to look as shit as possible). Was mainly wondering if I should up the price by a couple hundred bucks to get a better cpu/mobo combo. Planning on getting a gpu from my friend or something of that likes. Ik tf2 doesn’t require much of a gpu so I plan on getting something low end. No plans on streaming or playing other games besides csgo.
budget?

I have enough money to buy like a really nice pc so it’s not like I only have a certain amount and I’m trying to scrape by with this build, I just don’t play any triple a titles and like to save money. I’m just mainly wondering if this is 2 barebones and whether it’s worth it to slightly upgrade the cup mobo combo for better value

[quote=aiera][quote=XROLL]https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hnsVnt

Trying to build a pc that runs tf2 at 144 fps at all times atleast in a competitive format (6v6), will use masterconfig low aswell as other tf2 optimizations (I like my game to look as shit as possible). Was mainly wondering if I should up the price by a couple hundred bucks to get a better cpu/mobo combo. Planning on getting a gpu from my friend or something of that likes. Ik tf2 doesn’t require much of a gpu so I plan on getting something low end. No plans on streaming or playing other games besides csgo.[/quote]
budget?[/quote]

I have enough money to buy like a really nice pc so it’s not like I only have a certain amount and I’m trying to scrape by with this build, I just don’t play any triple a titles and like to save money. I’m just mainly wondering if this is 2 barebones and whether it’s worth it to slightly upgrade the cup mobo combo for better value
3847
#3847
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Thinking about upgrading my current pc just for extra headroom as I feel like my i5-6500 is a little outdated and want more cpu prowess for tf2 and other stuff like adobe (wonder if thats how adobe works lol). Like its enough to run tf2 at 144fps in most situations for 6s, but I want more. I'm thinking either i5 12400 or r5 3600/5600 thoughts?

Thinking about upgrading my current pc just for extra headroom as I feel like my i5-6500 is a little outdated and want more cpu prowess for tf2 and other stuff like adobe (wonder if thats how adobe works lol). Like its enough to run tf2 at 144fps in most situations for 6s, but I want more. I'm thinking either i5 12400 or r5 3600/5600 thoughts?
3848
#3848
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#3844
Ngl, that's some weird shit.
Why would you buy a two years old motherboard that costs more than the CPU based on the same old 6.5 years old architecture that Intel finally moved away from? You could dig an old 7700K out from somewhere and it'd be faster and much cheaper. 7700 (and 6700 for that matter) would be slightly lower clocked but you'd still be able to find those for a fraction of the price.

You need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.

#3847
There is no 5600, only the 5600X. It's much better than a 3600 and the 3600 is old enough that it's getting hard to find a new one, especially if you want it to actually be cheaper than a 5600X. So I'd say the 3600 is right out.

12400 is a bit faster than a 5600X in pretty much everything and cheaper, though the mobos are more expensive, so the price roughly evens out. No idea how it works out in terms of performance with overclocking though, because the 12400 can sort of be overclocked, but you need a rather expensive mobo and Intel will probably try to get that locked down again asap.
If it weren't for mobo prices and Intel incessant need to ensure their customers don't get anything they specifically paid for, it'd be easy. As it is, you genuinely have a choice where there's no clear winner and no real wrong answer, unlike in recent years.

#3844
Ngl, that's some weird shit.
Why would you buy a two years old motherboard that costs more than the CPU based on the same old 6.5 years old architecture that Intel finally moved away from? You could dig an old 7700K out from somewhere and it'd be faster and much cheaper. 7700 (and 6700 for that matter) would be slightly lower clocked but you'd still be able to find those for a fraction of the price.

You need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.

#3847
There is no 5600, only the 5600X. It's much better than a 3600 and the 3600 is old enough that it's getting hard to find a new one, especially if you want it to actually be cheaper than a 5600X. So I'd say the 3600 is right out.

12400 is a bit faster than a 5600X in pretty much everything and cheaper, though the mobos are more expensive, so the price roughly evens out. No idea how it works out in terms of performance with overclocking though, because the 12400 can sort of be overclocked, but you need a rather expensive mobo and Intel will probably try to get that locked down again asap.
If it weren't for mobo prices and Intel incessant need to ensure their customers don't get anything they specifically paid for, it'd be easy. As it is, you genuinely have a choice where there's no clear winner and no real wrong answer, unlike in recent years.
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#3849
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Setsul#3844
Ngl, that's some weird shit.
Why would you buy a two years old motherboard that costs more than the CPU based on the same old 6.5 years old architecture that Intel finally moved away from? You could dig an old 7700K out from somewhere and it'd be faster and much cheaper. 7700 (and 6700 for that matter) would be slightly lower clocked but you'd still be able to find those for a fraction of the price.

You need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.
.

I should’ve stated that I just slapped that into the build more as a filler. The part I’m most uneducated about is motherboards and was hoping for suggestions on good boards. What board would you reccomend for the 10105f. As for the second part are you suggesting I go 2nd hand for this type of cheaper build? If you believe I should shoot higher cpu wise what would you reccomend (150-250 price range wise)

[quote=Setsul]#3844
Ngl, that's some weird shit.
Why would you buy a two years old motherboard that costs more than the CPU based on the same old 6.5 years old architecture that Intel finally moved away from? You could dig an old 7700K out from somewhere and it'd be faster and much cheaper. 7700 (and 6700 for that matter) would be slightly lower clocked but you'd still be able to find those for a fraction of the price.

You need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.
.[/quote]
I should’ve stated that I just slapped that into the build more as a filler. The part I’m most uneducated about is motherboards and was hoping for suggestions on good boards. What board would you reccomend for the 10105f. As for the second part are you suggesting I go 2nd hand for this type of cheaper build? If you believe I should shoot higher cpu wise what would you reccomend (150-250 price range wise)
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#3850
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#3849
See

SetsulYou need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.

I simply do not recommend the 10105F at all.
If you want a Skylake CPU then anything from 6000 upwards works and will be much cheaper 2nd hand.
If you want a new CPU then a 12100F will be much faster. Same MSRP, if you're really desperate to get a cheap CPU now and can't wait until it's in stock, see above.
Any build that calls for a 2+ years old mobo is weird.

#3849
See
[quote=Setsul]You need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.
[/quote]
I simply do not recommend the 10105F at all.
If you want a Skylake CPU then anything from 6000 upwards works and will be much cheaper 2nd hand.
If you want a new CPU then a 12100F will be much faster. Same MSRP, if you're really desperate to get a cheap CPU now and can't wait until it's in stock, see above.
Any build that calls for a 2+ years old mobo is weird.
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#3851
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Setsul#3849
SeeSetsulYou need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.I simply do not recommend the 10105F at all.
If you want a Skylake CPU then anything from 6000 upwards works and will be much cheaper 2nd hand.
If you want a new CPU then a 12100F will be much faster. Same MSRP, if you're really desperate to get a cheap CPU now and can't wait until it's in stock, see above.
Any build that calls for a 2+ years old mobo is weird.

No I can wait and plan to do plenty of it, thanks for the help, I’ll be on the lookout for some good 2nd hand deals and for some restocks

[quote=Setsul]#3849
See
[quote=Setsul]You need either a budget as an upwards limit or a performance goal as a downwards limit, and generally try to make it a little less weird. Either you want a new CPU or you don't.
[/quote]
I simply do not recommend the 10105F at all.
If you want a Skylake CPU then anything from 6000 upwards works and will be much cheaper 2nd hand.
If you want a new CPU then a 12100F will be much faster. Same MSRP, if you're really desperate to get a cheap CPU now and can't wait until it's in stock, see above.
Any build that calls for a 2+ years old mobo is weird.[/quote]
No I can wait and plan to do plenty of it, thanks for the help, I’ll be on the lookout for some good 2nd hand deals and for some restocks
3852
#3852
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bet y'all can't do it like me B)

cpu: amd a4 3300
gpu: nvidia geforce gt 730
mobo: biostar a55mlc2 ((literally just looked it up i didn't even knew))
ram: 4gb x2 ddr3
storage: a toshiba 500gb hdd
monitor: LG Flatron L1750S (4:3 75hz)

bet y'all can't do it like me B)

cpu: amd a4 3300
gpu: nvidia geforce gt 730
mobo: biostar a55mlc2 ((literally just looked it up i didn't even knew))
ram: 4gb x2 ddr3
storage: a toshiba 500gb hdd
monitor: LG Flatron L1750S (4:3 75hz)
3853
#3853
0 Frags +

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncvVDq
Thoughts on build?
As the prices go down, i'm looking for upgrading my PC.
I'll be using my old GPU until the end, as it being the most expensive component. Alternatively, i'm looking at 6600 XT instead of 3060, haven't decided yet.
Also i've decided to go with 12400 instead of 12400F just in case of emergency, the other reason is that it's for some reason is cheaper (?) in Russia.

Current build is:
I5 6400
B150m night elf
1060 6gb
Kingston 8gb 2133mhz
1tb seagate barracuda
Deepcool DN500W

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncvVDq
Thoughts on build?
As the prices go down, i'm looking for upgrading my PC.
I'll be using my old GPU until the end, as it being the most expensive component. Alternatively, i'm looking at 6600 XT instead of 3060, haven't decided yet.
Also i've decided to go with 12400 instead of 12400F just in case of emergency, the other reason is that it's for some reason is cheaper (?) in Russia.

Current build is:
I5 6400
B150m night elf
1060 6gb
Kingston 8gb 2133mhz
1tb seagate barracuda
Deepcool DN500W
3854
#3854
0 Frags +

Seems fine.

Seems fine.
3855
#3855
0 Frags +
SetsulSeems fine.

Thanks!

[quote=Setsul]Seems fine.[/quote]
Thanks!
3856
#3856
5 Frags +
SetsulSeems fine.

This is high praise coming from setsul.

[quote=Setsul]Seems fine.[/quote]

This is high praise coming from setsul.
3857
#3857
2 Frags +
_KermitSetsulSeems fine.
This is high praise coming from setsul.

True.
Well, the detailed analysis is that it seems entirely logical apart from maybe the SSDs, and I don't know enough about the prices and supply situation in russia (and I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole) to try and optimize anything else.
He explained why he went for the 12400, which is a budget-ish pick, 3200 RAM fits with that though it is certainly possible to obsess over potential gains from something like 3600, but without prices and a budget I can't even begin to guess whether it would be worth it.
The budget SATA SSD is probably being reused, since the rest of the build made sense I'm just giving Abyss the benefit of the doubt here.
The NVMe SSD is definitely a budget pick, not terribly impressive, wouldn't be my first choice either if something better is available, but in russia there might not be and it is still an NVMe SSD and quite cheap.
Good case. Only 2 fans but that's just nitpicking because I prefer having a rear exhaust fan better airflow and helping out the CPU cooler fan(s) a bit, on top of keeping two intake fans for positive air pressure. Sure, a smaller case would suffice for a μATX mobo, but paradoxically most cases smaller than the Focus G with the same features and build quality are somehow more expensive.
PSU same as the SATA SSD, nothing wrong with it if it's being reused, and even if it's not, I know the pain of finding decent PSUs at reasonable prices in eastern europe and beyond. It might not be winning any awards and 600W is technically a bit too much for that build, it's still a solid, if low-end (the acceptable low-end, not "might catch fire" low end) PSU that'll do.

Add that I wasn't sure if I had it in me to write something more detailed today, let alone next week, and I wanted to at least put out something instead of leaving the question unanswered for a week.

tl;dr
"seems fine" not as in "ugh, fine, it'll do" but as in "fine build."

[quote=_Kermit][quote=Setsul]Seems fine.[/quote]

This is high praise coming from setsul.[/quote]
True.
Well, the detailed analysis is that it seems entirely logical apart from maybe the SSDs, and I don't know enough about the prices and supply situation in russia (and I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole) to try and optimize anything else.
He explained why he went for the 12400, which is a budget-ish pick, 3200 RAM fits with that though it is certainly possible to obsess over potential gains from something like 3600, but without prices and a budget I can't even begin to guess whether it would be worth it.
The budget SATA SSD is probably being reused, since the rest of the build made sense I'm just giving Abyss the benefit of the doubt here.
The NVMe SSD is definitely a budget pick, not terribly impressive, wouldn't be my first choice either if something better is available, but in russia there might not be and it is still an NVMe SSD and quite cheap.
Good case. Only 2 fans but that's just nitpicking because I prefer having a rear exhaust fan better airflow and helping out the CPU cooler fan(s) a bit, on top of keeping two intake fans for positive air pressure. Sure, a smaller case would suffice for a μATX mobo, but paradoxically most cases smaller than the Focus G with the same features and build quality are somehow more expensive.
PSU same as the SATA SSD, nothing wrong with it if it's being reused, and even if it's not, I know the pain of finding decent PSUs at reasonable prices in eastern europe and beyond. It might not be winning any awards and 600W is technically a bit too much for that build, it's still a solid, if low-end (the acceptable low-end, not "might catch fire" low end) PSU that'll do.

Add that I wasn't sure if I had it in me to write something more detailed today, let alone next week, and I wanted to at least put out something instead of leaving the question unanswered for a week.

tl;dr
"seems fine" not as in "ugh, fine, it'll do" but as in "fine build."
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#3858
0 Frags +

My only concern was the mobo, there aren't much LGA1700 B660 ones, and the ones that are out there, price is quiet unpleasant, which is understantable, as it's a completely new socket.

Setsul... but without prices and a budget I can't even begin to guess whether it would be worth it.

Around 1000~$ roughly, can't tell for sure as the prices are still jumping around.

SetsulThe NVMe SSD is definitely a budget pick, not terribly impressive, wouldn't be my first choice either if something better is available, but in russia there might not be and it is still an NVMe SSD and quite cheap.

The other options for NVMe's being close to this budget are Kingston NV1 (1 TB), Samsung 980 (500 GB), or MSI SPATIUM M390 (500 GB). The one i chose is the most benefitial in terms of price per space. For larger files i'm planning to use my old HDD, the ones that don't utilize disc speeds, like films, music, etc.

As for case fans, I can always change their position, like 1 intake, 1 exaust, I'll have to see how the temperature behaves, and what requiers more cooling solutions.

There are plenty of PSUs, I just don't know which one is good, be quiet has a lot of positive feedback, also it's 80+ bronze certified. With the higher budged I'd probably go for a modular one, but that isn't crucial to me, so whatever. My reasoning was to get the most reliable, budget, at least 80+ bronze, and with some extra power for the possible upgrades.
Higher wattage could be used for future upgrades, building on Intel also helps, as it doesn't consume as much as Ryzen, which means I can fit a better GPU in the future.

My only concern was the mobo, there aren't much LGA1700 B660 ones, and the ones that are out there, price is quiet unpleasant, which is understantable, as it's a completely new socket.
[quote=Setsul]... but without prices and a budget I can't even begin to guess whether it would be worth it.[/quote]
Around 1000~$ roughly, can't tell for sure as the prices are still jumping around.
[quote=Setsul]The NVMe SSD is definitely a budget pick, not terribly impressive, wouldn't be my first choice either if something better is available, but in russia there might not be and it is still an NVMe SSD and quite cheap.[/quote]
The other options for NVMe's being close to this budget are Kingston NV1 (1 TB), Samsung 980 (500 GB), or MSI SPATIUM M390 (500 GB). The one i chose is the most benefitial in terms of price per space. For larger files i'm planning to use my old HDD, the ones that don't utilize disc speeds, like films, music, etc.

As for case fans, I can always change their position, like 1 intake, 1 exaust, I'll have to see how the temperature behaves, and what requiers more cooling solutions.

There are plenty of PSUs, I just don't know which one is good, be quiet has a lot of positive feedback, also it's 80+ bronze certified. With the higher budged I'd probably go for a modular one, but that isn't crucial to me, so whatever. My reasoning was to get the most reliable, budget, at least 80+ bronze, and with some extra power for the possible upgrades.
Higher wattage could be used for future upgrades, building on Intel also helps, as it doesn't consume as much as Ryzen, which means I can fit a better GPU in the future.
3859
#3859
3 Frags +

Intel mobos tend to be more expensive in general, though it's especially bad with this generation for various reasons. Intel also releases a new socket every two years no matter what (even if it's just the same socket made incompatible via an extra pin or software), so that's very much by design.

Yeah, and RAM prices fluctuate so much that I really don't want to spend time on figuring out whether 3600 would be worth it.

No contest in terms of performance, but 500 GB vs 1 TB obviously isn't quite fair. Not surprising that the 500 GB ones are much better when they cost around the same as the 1 TB.

Depending on the GPU model you pick, that one will also push out some air and the CPU fan also will. 2 intake might still be better to keep dust out and getting air out of the case is always easier than forcing it inside. Not like changing the fan position or even buying a third fan is much of a problem, you can still do either or both later if you don't like the temperatures you're getting.

Never go by brands for PSUs. Completely different performance depending on the model, and they're all manufactured by completely different companies anyway. be quiet is mostly FSP, but also HEC and even some Seasonic models, much less spread than some others, but the difference between a low end FSP and high end FSP model is still huge. 80+ Bronze only tells you about efficiency and the standard is 14 years old. Any PSU that can't meet such an old standard is either ancient or dangerous. Again, not saying that the one you picked is bad, but it is the absolute lowest I'd go in terms of quality/performance. Who printed the fancy sticker on its side and named it doesn't change that.
EDIT: The only way to be sure is to read reviews.

Not sure where you got the idea that Intel needs less power.

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i5-12400f/images/power-multithread.png

At least with Alder Lake/12th gen Intel is at least back to similar power consumption instead of the embarrassment you can see with with 10th and 11th gen, but a 5600X is still definitely faster than a 12400(F) while needing less power. The 12400F is cheaper though, so Intel finally managed to produce a good deal in the 200$ segment again after 5 years of nothing. That's only going to last until Zen 4 is released in september, but competition is good.

Intel mobos tend to be more expensive in general, though it's especially bad with this generation for various reasons. Intel also releases a new socket every two years no matter what (even if it's just the same socket made incompatible via an extra pin or software), so that's very much by design.

Yeah, and RAM prices fluctuate so much that I really don't want to spend time on figuring out whether 3600 would be worth it.

No contest in terms of performance, but 500 GB vs 1 TB obviously isn't quite fair. Not surprising that the 500 GB ones are much better when they cost around the same as the 1 TB.

Depending on the GPU model you pick, that one will also push out some air and the CPU fan also will. 2 intake might still be better to keep dust out and getting air out of the case is always easier than forcing it inside. Not like changing the fan position or even buying a third fan is much of a problem, you can still do either or both later if you don't like the temperatures you're getting.

Never go by brands for PSUs. Completely different performance depending on the model, and they're all manufactured by completely different companies anyway. be quiet is mostly FSP, but also HEC and even some Seasonic models, much less spread than some others, but the difference between a low end FSP and high end FSP model is still huge. 80+ Bronze only tells you about efficiency and the standard is 14 years old. Any PSU that can't meet such an old standard is either ancient or dangerous. Again, not saying that the one you picked is bad, but it is the absolute lowest I'd go in terms of quality/performance. Who printed the fancy sticker on its side and named it doesn't change that.
EDIT: The only way to be sure is to read reviews.

Not sure where you got the idea that Intel needs less power.
[img]https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i5-12400f/images/power-multithread.png[/img]
At least with Alder Lake/12th gen Intel is at least back to similar power consumption instead of the embarrassment you can see with with 10th and 11th gen, but a 5600X is still definitely faster than a 12400(F) while needing less power. The 12400F is cheaper though, so Intel finally managed to produce a good deal in the 200$ segment again after 5 years of nothing. That's only going to last until Zen 4 is released in september, but competition is good.
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#3860
0 Frags +

Hi, I've been getting some odd reboots on my PC as of recently.

A month ago, I was getting some that seemed fairly random, sometimes upon changing maps in TF2 or booting up the game but outside of that I couldn't see a pattern. I did some dust cleaning, switched power from one PSU PCIe slot to the other (might have been placebo) and it seemed to disappear.

However, just a few days ago, I started getting more frequent crashes, although on completely different tasks: a very common one is upon Preview rendering in Premiere Pro, I just get a PC reboot in the middle of it and I have no clue why. CPU temps seem fine (always below 75°C, and I'm using a Ryzen 7 5800X lol), and I was keeping an eye on VCore as a test and I couldn't see it go past 1.4 while it happened, so I'm genuinely confused. The event I'm getting is the Kernel-Power Event 41 (63) in Windows 10. My version of Windows 10 is not up to date if that ever matters, it's from a year ago, my Windows Update seemingly broke (it can install minor fixes but not major updates). I believe I have PBO on, with a slight voltage negative offset, but I did all this a year and a half ago so I'm not 100% sure how I tweaked it exactly. Nevertheless the reboots only started around a month ago so I doubt that would be the problem. My BIOS version is that of a year and a half ago when I built the PC.

Full specs:

MSI B450 Tomahawk Max II
Ryzen 7 5800X
2 500 GB SSDs (1 M.2 NVMe, 1 SATA), 1 1 TB HDD
32 GB DDR4 G. Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz (4x8, 2 from previous PC, 2 bought upon upgrading)
GTX 1070 (EVGA XC version)
Be Quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500W (80+ Gold, bought a year ago bruh)
Fractal Design Focus G

Thanks in advance, it's really annoying and I'm afraid it will fuck up my drives and peripherals at some point.
Side note: none of these reboots involve a BSOD, only a black usual reboot screen.

Hi, I've been getting some odd reboots on my PC as of recently.

A month ago, I was getting some that seemed fairly random, sometimes upon changing maps in TF2 or booting up the game but outside of that I couldn't see a pattern. I did some dust cleaning, switched power from one PSU PCIe slot to the other (might have been placebo) and it seemed to disappear.

However, just a few days ago, I started getting more frequent crashes, although on completely different tasks: a very common one is upon Preview rendering in Premiere Pro, I just get a PC reboot in the middle of it and I have no clue why. CPU temps seem fine (always below 75°C, and I'm using a Ryzen 7 5800X lol), and I was keeping an eye on VCore as a test and I couldn't see it go past 1.4 while it happened, so I'm genuinely confused. The event I'm getting is the Kernel-Power Event 41 (63) in Windows 10. My version of Windows 10 is not up to date if that ever matters, it's from a year ago, my Windows Update seemingly broke (it can install minor fixes but not major updates). I believe I have PBO on, with a slight voltage negative offset, but I did all this a year and a half ago so I'm not 100% sure how I tweaked it exactly. Nevertheless the reboots only started around a month ago so I doubt that would be the problem. My BIOS version is that of a year and a half ago when I built the PC.

Full specs:

MSI B450 Tomahawk Max II
Ryzen 7 5800X
2 500 GB SSDs (1 M.2 NVMe, 1 SATA), 1 1 TB HDD
32 GB DDR4 G. Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz (4x8, 2 from previous PC, 2 bought upon upgrading)
GTX 1070 (EVGA XC version)
Be Quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500W (80+ Gold, bought a year ago bruh)
Fractal Design Focus G

Thanks in advance, it's really annoying and I'm afraid it will fuck up my drives and peripherals at some point.
Side note: none of these reboots involve a BSOD, only a black usual reboot screen.
3861
#3861
0 Frags +

How many cores and threads does tf2 use? I keep looking through old tftv threads about this topic and the answers keep changing. How bad is the multithreading in this game?

I'm buying pc parts slowly and so far I've only bought a DyAc+ 240 hz monitor and a Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 SSD (2 TB). I just have no idea what CPU is good for tf2 because of my questions above.

My current specs are:
CPU : i7-6700 @ 3.4 Ghz
GPU: GTX 960
RAM: 16GB 2133 MHz (1 slot is being used)
1.8 TB HDD
for the PSU, MOBO, and CPU cooler I have no clue. This is some random Dell XPS 8910 pc my brother bought.
Monitor: Dell U2417H (60hz 8 millisecond response time)

How many cores and threads does tf2 use? I keep looking through old tftv threads about this topic and the answers keep changing. How bad is the multithreading in this game?

I'm buying pc parts slowly and so far I've only bought a DyAc+ 240 hz monitor and a Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 SSD (2 TB). I just have no idea what CPU is good for tf2 because of my questions above.

My current specs are:
CPU : i7-6700 @ 3.4 Ghz
GPU: GTX 960
RAM: 16GB 2133 MHz (1 slot is being used)
1.8 TB HDD
for the PSU, MOBO, and CPU cooler I have no clue. This is some random Dell XPS 8910 pc my brother bought.
Monitor: Dell U2417H (60hz 8 millisecond response time)
3862
#3862
3 Frags +

#3860

LeonhardBrolerKernel-Power Event 41 (63)

That's usually power failure or anything that could cause a hard reset, I think.
Check all cables, especially GPU power, check RAM (whether it's seated properly, maybe even run memtest86+), update BIOS and drivers, all that fun stuff.

#3861
Really bad.
Back when I check years ago, the answer was theoretically infinite, so it will use all cores/threads for the parts that are multithreaded, but so few of it is multithreaded that the average works out to less than 2. Plus one more for the GPU driver, so a third thread helped, but not a lot. As in, 2 cores were significantly slower, but 2 cores + SMT/Hyperthreading for 4 threads total was only marginally slower than 3 or 4 real cores. And beyond that nothing really changed.
The last time I asked, it seems to have gotten slightly better or just worked differently for Ryzen since those seem to be getting more frames beyond 4 cores/threads, but you definitely still shouldn't buy a CPU for TF2 based on cores.
You want clockrate/IPC and anything that is actually fast that way and/or overclockable will most likely have more cores/threads than you benefit from in TF2.

#3860
[quote=LeonhardBroler]Kernel-Power Event 41 (63)[/quote]
That's usually power failure or anything that could cause a hard reset, I think.
Check all cables, especially GPU power, check RAM (whether it's seated properly, maybe even run memtest86+), update BIOS and drivers, all that fun stuff.

#3861
Really bad.
Back when I check years ago, the answer was theoretically infinite, so it will use all cores/threads for the parts that are multithreaded, but so few of it is multithreaded that the average works out to less than 2. Plus one more for the GPU driver, so a third thread helped, but not a lot. As in, 2 cores were significantly slower, but 2 cores + SMT/Hyperthreading for 4 threads total was only marginally slower than 3 or 4 real cores. And beyond that nothing really changed.
The last time I asked, it seems to have gotten slightly better or just worked differently for Ryzen since those seem to be getting more frames beyond 4 cores/threads, but you definitely still shouldn't buy a CPU for TF2 based on cores.
You want clockrate/IPC and anything that is actually fast that way and/or overclockable will most likely have more cores/threads than you benefit from in TF2.
3863
#3863
3 Frags +
delete_my_accountHow many cores and threads does tf2 use? I keep looking through old tftv threads about this topic and the answers keep changing. How bad is the multithreading in this game?

In 2018 I thought TF2 only really used about 3 cores, but I figure I test again to double check.

Using a 5800X and I am assigning TF2 to specific cores (not HT ones) on game launch.

https://i.imgur.com/qrhjbAP.png

2 cores: +50% performance
3 cores: +11% performance
4 cores: +2% performance

Scaling past 3 cores is very small. Pretty much all gains are gone past 4 cores. So TF2 is still heavily reliant upon single core performance.

A safe bet is probably at least a 6 core Zen 3 or Alder Lake CPU, ie a ryzen 5 5600(x) or a core i5 12400(f), because having a couple of cores spare for multi tasking, or other games/apps that use 6 cores, is nice to have. Dual channel memory is a must with atleast 3200MHz and decent timings.

According to this video, DDR4 vs DDR5 is pretty much the same for CSGO, therefore probably TF2.

[quote=delete_my_account]How many cores and threads does tf2 use? I keep looking through old tftv threads about this topic and the answers keep changing. How bad is the multithreading in this game?[/quote]
In 2018 I thought TF2 only really used about 3 cores, but I figure I test again to double check.

Using a 5800X and I am assigning TF2 to specific cores (not HT ones) on game launch.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/qrhjbAP.png[/img]

2 cores: +50% performance
3 cores: +11% performance
4 cores: +2% performance

Scaling past 3 cores is very small. Pretty much all gains are gone past 4 cores. So TF2 is still heavily reliant upon single core performance.

A safe bet is probably at least a 6 core Zen 3 or Alder Lake CPU, ie a ryzen 5 5600(x) or a core i5 12400(f), because having a couple of cores spare for multi tasking, or other games/apps that use 6 cores, is nice to have. Dual channel memory is a must with atleast 3200MHz and decent timings.

According to [url=https://youtu.be/fIN8lLhSqmg?t=508]this video[/url], DDR4 vs DDR5 is pretty much the same for CSGO, therefore probably TF2.
3864
#3864
5 Frags +

Always disappointing, but not surprising to see that things really haven't improved at all since 2015.
Thanks for reminding me about memory latency. TF2 does seem to be affected by that significantly, so it's possible that 5800X3D might end up being the fastest CPU for TF2 due to cheating a bit with its massive cache.

Always disappointing, but not surprising to see that things really haven't improved at all since 2015.
Thanks for reminding me about memory latency. TF2 does seem to be affected by that significantly, so it's possible that 5800X3D might end up being the fastest CPU for TF2 due to cheating a bit with its massive cache.
3865
#3865
-3 Frags +

does anyone know a good way to maximize my frames? I have good specs (i7 9th gen, 2080s, 32 gbs of 3600hz, 1tb ssd & 2tb hdd) but I constantly alternate between like 600 fps and 60 fps.

does anyone know a good way to maximize my frames? I have good specs (i7 9th gen, 2080s, 32 gbs of 3600hz, 1tb ssd & 2tb hdd) but I constantly alternate between like 600 fps and 60 fps.
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#3866
0 Frags +

i7 6700k -> r9 5900x
Asus Z170 mobo -> MSI MAG B550M Mortar wifi mATX
EVGA GTX 1080ftw -> EVGA RTX 3080ftw3
Corsair DDR4 2400hz 2x8 ram -> same
Corsair 750w psu -> same

  • do these upgrades make sense?
  • is psu wattage an issue at all?
  • general thoughts on waiting for 40 series? not in a huge rush
i7 6700k -> r9 5900x
Asus Z170 mobo -> MSI MAG B550M Mortar wifi mATX
EVGA GTX 1080ftw -> EVGA RTX 3080ftw3
Corsair DDR4 2400hz 2x8 ram -> same
Corsair 750w psu -> same

[list]
[*] do these upgrades make sense?
[*] is psu wattage an issue at all?
[*] general thoughts on waiting for 40 series? not in a huge rush
[/list]
3867
#3867
2 Frags +

Make sense for what?
We're also 1.5 months away from the Ryzen 7000 release, so if you're willing to wait until 2023 for an RTX 4080 or something like that then why bother planning anything out now?
Also ngl, 2400MHz RAM would suck for Zen.

Make sense for what?
We're also 1.5 months away from the Ryzen 7000 release, so if you're willing to wait until 2023 for an RTX 4080 or something like that then why bother planning anything out now?
Also ngl, 2400[b]M[/b]Hz RAM would suck for Zen.
3868
#3868
3 Frags +

12 cores for tf2 only, general triple A gaming or a rendering workstation please state your needs

10 gig 3080 instead of 12 gig version? that is if you need a 3080(see above)

16gb ram at 3200mhz cl16 costs 50$ FLAT you should factor it in when spending almost 1300$ on an upgrade

psu should be fine if you dont simultaneously full synthethic load your cpu+gpu combination of choice under overclock
setsul is gonna need an exact model for an educated guess whether or not its made of hotglue and duct tape

also budget would help if you actually care about performance per dollar

12 cores for tf2 only, general triple A gaming or a rendering workstation please state your needs

10 gig 3080 instead of 12 gig version? that is if you need a 3080(see above)

16gb ram at 3200mhz cl16 costs 50$ FLAT you should factor it in when spending almost 1300$ on an upgrade

psu should be fine if you dont simultaneously full synthethic load your cpu+gpu combination of choice under overclock
setsul is gonna need an exact model for an educated guess whether or not its made of hotglue and duct tape

also budget would help if you actually care about performance per dollar
3869
#3869
0 Frags +

Thanks - wasn't aware new Ryzen CPUs are out soon as well. I'll probably just revisit in a couple months and upgrade ram too. To clarify I obviously want good performance in games like TF2/valorant etc but I would like to be able to play Triple As in 4k/high.

Thanks - wasn't aware new Ryzen CPUs are out soon as well. I'll probably just revisit in a couple months and upgrade ram too. To clarify I obviously want good performance in games like TF2/valorant etc but I would like to be able to play Triple As in 4k/high.
3870
#3870
-4 Frags +

Hey, got a question about upgrading my rig as it relates to mining crypto. Something is compelling me to post about it on a tf2 forum, idk how you'll feel about that lol

I have a lot of ancient equipment. Two gtx680s, a 9500gt, an array of cpus a decade or more ancient than the i5-4690k I just replaced with an i7. Miscellaneous Other Things. Unused tablet and smartphone. A lot of this stuff has contributed to me playing TF2, i mean im pretty sure that 9500gt let me play the orange box for the first time ever back in 2010. But now that I've got an upgraded rig and an additional pile of mostly-functional equipment, I'd like to try to put it to use. Mining.

Everything I've come across online says "don't do this, your equipment is basically fossilized, dont be an idiot." Is there any other wisdom to be had?

My current specs are:
MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard
Intel Core i7-4790K
Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
XFX Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Speedster QICK 319
1x GTX 680

I've been able to get some mining done with the 6700, but the 680 refuses to cooperate no matter which coin or miner I try to use. Vertcoin OCM got it loading something at least, but I couldn't figure out where it was mining to lmao. I thought if I got a second rig going with just my NVIDIA cards, less scammy miners might work better.

I can list out all my spare parts in more detail (like I could maybe try to find specs on the pre-2000s Compaq pc cases I'm planning on using) but I figure the most relevant are the i5-4690k, the two 680s, the 9500gt, and a budget of $500-$1000 to hopefully pack all that together into a complete mining rig. Would I need to buy a new CPU+mobo to run all 3 cards in SLI, or can the 9500 even run on the same machine as the 680s at all? Something like this or instead like this?

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Alternatively, some advice on turning it into a secondary gaming pc could be nice. Maybe something super cheap I could lend to a friend or whatever
Hey, got a question about upgrading my rig as it relates to mining crypto. Something is compelling me to post about it on a tf2 forum, idk how you'll feel about that lol

I have a lot of ancient equipment. Two gtx680s, a 9500gt, an array of cpus a decade or more ancient than the i5-4690k I just replaced with an i7. Miscellaneous Other Things. Unused tablet and smartphone. A lot of this stuff has contributed to me playing TF2, i mean im pretty sure that 9500gt let me play the orange box for the first time ever back in 2010. But now that I've got an upgraded rig and an additional pile of mostly-functional equipment, I'd like to try to put it to use. Mining.

Everything I've come across online says "don't do this, your equipment is basically fossilized, dont be an idiot." Is there any other wisdom to be had?

My current specs are:
MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard
Intel Core i7-4790K
Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
XFX Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Speedster QICK 319
1x GTX 680

I've been able to get some mining done with the 6700, but the 680 refuses to cooperate no matter which coin or miner I try to use. Vertcoin OCM got it loading something at least, but I couldn't figure out where it was mining to lmao. I thought if I got a second rig going with just my NVIDIA cards, less scammy miners might work better.

I can list out all my spare parts in more detail (like I could maybe try to find specs on the pre-2000s Compaq pc cases I'm planning on using) but I figure the most relevant are the i5-4690k, the two 680s, the 9500gt, and a budget of $500-$1000 to hopefully pack all that together into a complete mining rig. Would I need to buy a new CPU+mobo to run all 3 cards in SLI, or can the 9500 even run on the same machine as the 680s at all? Something like [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7CJkcf/asus-motherboard-z97e]this[/url] or instead like [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mLjJ7P/gigabyte-x299-ud4-pro-atx-lga2066-motherboard-x299-ud4-pro]this[/url]?

[spoiler]Alternatively, some advice on turning it into a secondary gaming pc could be nice. Maybe something super cheap I could lend to a friend or whatever[/spoiler]
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