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#3811
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jnkiis your memory single or dual channel? single or dual rank? what timings? what brand and model even is it?
you can overclock and or reduce timings on your memory for free considering you have already got a z370 getting performance boost in tf2

Dual Channel, HyperX FURY Black 16GB 2666MHz CL16.

jnkido you play in 1440p or something, 8400 is more than capable to handle tf2 at 144fps even with generic oem 2666 ram at 1080p
is certain maps and or areas youre talking about are 32 man versus saxton hale? please be more specific, casual specifically never was and still isnt 240hz ready in this game

1080p 144hz, benchmarking gets me about 170fps with no other programs running but that was using mastercom's benchmark demo. Mostly noticing the issues when playing hl, namely in vigil this week its been pretty normal to get 100 fps, especially while trying to stream.

jnkibat_edit: being told to consider an i5 9600k to avoid buying a new mobo, thoughts?yes this is the cheapest conventional way of getting the most out of your motherboard, especially considering you can(and should) still be able to sell 8400 for a decent pocket change

in the grand scheme of things cost isn't too much of a swaying factor, so i'm not necessarily looking for the cheapest option and if it comes to it am happy/excited to do a complete amd overhaul if it'll do more overall.

jnkibat_edit: forgot to add, I have 500w power supply - something I am keeping in mind when selecting CPUcould you kindly look up the exact model, Setsul has a point, this could be a chinese knock off brand

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Yeah, apologies. It's 550W Corsair CS550M, Hybrid Modular, 80PLUS GOLD, 1x120mm, ATX v2.92.

jnkii dont think i misunderstood it, he intends to use the build for other games too

correct lol, im not just a tf2 player so don't wanna get something that will only help tf2, and if spending £550 now for a new amd cpu, mobo and fast ram means im not spending any money in the next five years (apart from on a gpu) then that is good with me. don't really want to get a 9600k if i'm changing it in 2 years anyway, and form some searching it isn't too different from my 8400.

[quote=jnki]
is your memory single or dual channel? single or dual rank? what timings? what brand and model even is it?
you can overclock and or reduce timings on your memory for free considering you have already got a z370 getting performance boost in tf2
[/quote]
Dual Channel, HyperX FURY Black 16GB 2666MHz CL16.

[quote=jnki]
do you play in 1440p or something, 8400 is more than capable to handle tf2 at 144fps even with generic oem 2666 ram at 1080p
is certain maps and or areas youre talking about are 32 man versus saxton hale? please be more specific, casual specifically never was and still isnt 240hz ready in this game
[/quote]
1080p 144hz, benchmarking gets me about 170fps with no other programs running but that was using mastercom's benchmark demo. Mostly noticing the issues when playing hl, namely in vigil this week its been pretty normal to get 100 fps, especially while trying to stream.

[quote=jnki]
[quote=bat_]edit: being told to consider an i5 9600k to avoid buying a new mobo, thoughts?[/quote]
yes this is the cheapest conventional way of getting the most out of your motherboard, especially considering you can(and should) still be able to sell 8400 for a decent pocket change
[/quote]
in the grand scheme of things cost isn't too much of a swaying factor, so i'm not necessarily looking for the cheapest option and if it comes to it am happy/excited to do a complete amd overhaul if it'll do more overall.

[quote=jnki]
[quote=bat_]edit: forgot to add, I have 500w power supply - something I am keeping in mind when selecting CPU[/quote]
could you kindly look up the exact model, Setsul has a point, this could be a chinese knock off brand[/quote]
[/quote]

Yeah, apologies. It's 550W Corsair CS550M, Hybrid Modular, 80PLUS GOLD, 1x120mm, ATX v2.92.

[quote=jnki]i dont think i misunderstood it, he intends to use the build for other games too[/quote]
correct lol, im not just a tf2 player so don't wanna get something that will only help tf2, and if spending £550 now for a new amd cpu, mobo and fast ram means im not spending any money in the next five years (apart from on a gpu) then that is good with me. don't really want to get a 9600k if i'm changing it in 2 years anyway, and form some searching it isn't too different from my 8400.
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#3812
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#3809

jnkiidle tdp? yes; under load? anywhere close to 5ghz its going to be just shy of 200w and frankly i think people arent buying unlocked intel cpus to run it at turbo boost clocks

now i know he isnt going to play cinebench or blender, but in newer games 4 cores are potentially going to see 80%+ cpu usage and if that is the case have fun cooling 200w with a mediocre cooler
jnki[...]difference between a 9600k(f) and the 4-core options(that do not even have hyperthreading mind you) is 20$ with almost identical power draw

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me.
1. There is no such thing as "idle TDP". TDP is TDP and always under load and always a lie.
2. You're saying that it's going to use 200W anywhere near 5GHz?
3. You're saying a 9600K will consume almost the same power?

Yeah, I'm having some trouble believing that a 9350KF would need almost twice the power of a 8350K (which is literally the same chip) but a 9600K is magically 50% more efficient.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2017/CPUs/i3-8350k/i3-8350k-power-prime.png

jnkiif achieving 6 core like performance with a 4 core part requires you a 5ghz overclock, pushing VRM on this not exactly incredible in the power delivery department motherboard, and an AIO/dark rock pro 4 level cooler, why not just get the incrementally more expensive 9600k/9700k and have it run on turbo boost clocks with like an i dont know, 212 evo

What are you even arguing for at this point? Buying a 212 Evo because it's overpriced and not worth buying in europe and overrated everywhere else? A 4 core at 5 GHz beating a 4.3 GHz 6 core in multithreaded workloads?

jnkiif his ultimate goal is just tf2 exclusive performance than feel free to disregard any of this shit, but from my point of view: he is still going to pay money for a stepdown in cpu cores, a need in better cpu cooling solution and a necessity to upgrade his cpu again down the line if even 6 cores arent going to cut it down the line let alone 4

If only I wrote "For TF2" before that. Oh wait, I did.

SetsulFor TF2 even a 9350KF would do.

#3810
Yeah, there'll be no shutdowns, don't worry about that.
At the 150W or so you'll most likely be pulling with a 5800X there shouldn't be much of a difference between single and dual tower.
8700K@4.8GHz should be similar power consumption, so for reference:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/noctua-nh-u12a/6.html
Dark Rock Pro 4, NH-D15 and NH-U12S are all in there. Also the NH-12A, single tower with two fans, just for fun.

Realistically 200W and beyond is where dual towers really matter.

Of course testing every core individually and manually setting offsets would be the best, while just letting PBO throw voltage and power at the problem is the lazy approach, but realistically the best use of your time should be PBO2 + Curve Optimization. Which is really just standard boost with higher power/voltage limit and some undervolting applied so it doesn't start needlessly choking on the power limit when multiple cores start boosting to high-ish frequencies. There's should be guides out there for this.

My rants sound a lot angrier then I really am, otherwise I wouldn't keep doing this.

Yeah, USB is just USB. Safe to go for B450 then.

#3809
[quote=jnki]
idle tdp? yes; under load? anywhere close to 5ghz its going to be just shy of 200w and frankly i think people arent buying unlocked intel cpus to run it at turbo boost clocks

now i know he isnt going to play cinebench or blender, but in newer games 4 cores are potentially going to see 80%+ cpu usage and if that is the case have fun cooling 200w with a mediocre cooler
[/quote]
[quote=jnki][...]difference between a 9600k(f) and the 4-core options(that do not even have hyperthreading mind you) is 20$ with almost identical power draw
[/quote]
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me.
1. There is no such thing as "idle TDP". TDP is TDP and always under load and always a lie.
2. You're saying that it's going to use 200W anywhere near 5GHz?
3. You're saying a 9600K will consume almost the same power?

Yeah, I'm having some trouble believing that a 9350KF would need almost twice the power of a 8350K (which is literally the same chip) but a 9600K is magically 50% more efficient.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2017/CPUs/i3-8350k/i3-8350k-power-prime.png
[quote=jnki]
if achieving 6 core like performance with a 4 core part requires you a 5ghz overclock, pushing VRM on this not exactly incredible in the power delivery department motherboard, and an AIO/dark rock pro 4 level cooler, why not just get the incrementally more expensive 9600k/9700k and have it run on turbo boost clocks with like an i dont know, 212 evo
[/quote]
What are you even arguing for at this point? Buying a 212 Evo because it's overpriced and not worth buying in europe and overrated everywhere else? A 4 core at 5 GHz beating a 4.3 GHz 6 core in multithreaded workloads?
[quote=jnki]
if his ultimate goal is just tf2 exclusive performance than feel free to disregard any of this shit, but from my point of view: he is still going to pay money for a stepdown in cpu cores, a need in better cpu cooling solution and a necessity to upgrade his cpu again down the line if even 6 cores arent going to cut it down the line let alone 4[/quote]
If only I wrote "For TF2" before that. Oh wait, I did.
[quote=Setsul]For TF2 even a 9350KF would do.[/quote]

#3810
Yeah, there'll be no shutdowns, don't worry about that.
At the 150W or so you'll most likely be pulling with a 5800X there shouldn't be much of a difference between single and dual tower.
8700K@4.8GHz should be similar power consumption, so for reference:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/noctua-nh-u12a/6.html
Dark Rock Pro 4, NH-D15 and NH-U12S are all in there. Also the NH-12A, single tower with two fans, just for fun.

Realistically 200W and beyond is where dual towers really matter.

Of course testing every core individually and manually setting offsets would be the best, while just letting PBO throw voltage and power at the problem is the lazy approach, but realistically the best use of your time should be PBO2 + Curve Optimization. Which is really just standard boost with higher power/voltage limit and some undervolting applied so it doesn't start needlessly choking on the power limit when multiple cores start boosting to high-ish frequencies. There's should be guides out there for this.

My rants sound a lot angrier then I really am, otherwise I wouldn't keep doing this.

Yeah, USB is just USB. Safe to go for B450 then.
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#3813
4 Frags +

you will know tf2 is dead whenever setsul stops posting in this thread

you will know tf2 is dead whenever setsul stops posting in this thread
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#3814
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Tbf I haven't played it in a while. On the other hand I've been saying TF2 is dead for 10 years and it didn't stop me back then.

Tbf I haven't played it in a while. On the other hand I've been saying TF2 is dead for 10 years and it didn't stop me back then.
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#3815
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i have a graphics card. i just want to buy a prebuilt then stick the 1050 ti in there and go, since all i care about is running tf2, (i do all of my school work on my laptop). any recommendations/alternatives below $150-$180?

i have a graphics card. i just want to buy a prebuilt then stick the 1050 ti in there and go, since all i care about is running tf2, (i do all of my school work on my laptop). any recommendations/alternatives below $150-$180?
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#3816
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Why do you have a GPU? Do you not have a pc attached to that, just the GPU?
Getting the shittiest and cheapest pre-built you can find with a shitty CPU and putting in a good GPU seems like the worst way to build a pc for TF2, which doesn't care about the GPU, only the CPU.

Why do you have a GPU? Do you not have a pc attached to that, just the GPU?
Getting the shittiest and cheapest pre-built you can find with a shitty CPU and putting in a good GPU seems like the worst way to build a pc for TF2, which doesn't care about the GPU, only the CPU.
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