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#571
8 Frags +

Feel free to read :
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

Feel free to read :
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
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#572
8 Frags +
Donald TrumpSEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change program...
[quote=Donald Trump]SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change program...[/quote]
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#573
7 Frags +
Scissorslaughing my ass off at these protests, just a bunch of women and cucks standing outside his towers shouting FUCK YOUUUU REEEEEEEE

these protests are just large-scale tantrums... what are these "protesters" even expecting? what is the goal, is washington supposed to look at all of this and say "well fuck it looks like the millennials didn't get what they wanted... CLINTON IT IS!"

[quote=Scissors]laughing my ass off at these protests, just a bunch of women and cucks standing outside his towers shouting FUCK YOUUUU REEEEEEEE[/quote]

these protests are just large-scale tantrums... what are these "protesters" even expecting? what is the goal, is washington supposed to look at all of this and say "well fuck it looks like the millennials didn't get what they wanted... CLINTON IT IS!"
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#574
-8 Frags +

welp we're doomed

welp we're doomed
575
#575
8 Frags +
Donald TrumpEnd Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall

Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil

[quote=Donald Trump]End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall[/quote]

Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil
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#576
-5 Frags +
rocketslayDonald TrumpEnd Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall
Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil

with pure intimidation brought on by his alpha male height advantage

http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2016/08/31/103906761-GettyImages-598118464.530x298.jpg

[quote=rocketslay][quote=Donald Trump]End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall[/quote]

Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil[/quote]

with pure intimidation brought on by his alpha male height advantage

[img]http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2016/08/31/103906761-GettyImages-598118464.530x298.jpg[/img]
577
#577
18 Frags +

"pay for our shiny new wall"
"no"
"i'll nuke you"
"what"

"pay for our shiny new wall"
"no"
"i'll nuke you"
"what"
578
#578
2 Frags +
mustardoverlordwelp we're doomed

for those who view this post as overly simplistic

I read the entire thing and started copying and pasting sections to talk about and then I realized I was basically copying and pasting the entire document, soooo

ironically the term limits are one of the only things I agree with him on

[quote=mustardoverlord]welp we're doomed[/quote]

for those who view this post as overly simplistic

I read the entire thing and started copying and pasting sections to talk about and then I realized I was basically copying and pasting the entire document, soooo

ironically the term limits are one of the only things I agree with him on
579
#579
-2 Frags +

As a person who is quite happy Trump has won but still questions his abilities as president, lets consider something.

Trump was expected not to win at all. It was supposed to be Clinton, everybody thought so. He turns around and does something very interesting and wins against all odds.
I think we should hold off on assuming that America is a doomed country. I think we need to relax and just wait. Trump has the potential to be a good president but while many people think it wont happen, I still believe he can come out on top as a good president with no one believing he can, just like this election.

I'm not saying Trump WILL be a good president, all I'm saying is that there's a chance. Let's let time tell us if that's true or not, eh? Let's act like sane human beings. Let's represent America in a better way. Even thought that's gonna be hard to do because of these protests but... oh well... we can try at least, right?

As a person who is quite happy Trump has won but still questions his abilities as president, lets consider something.

Trump was expected not to win at all. It was supposed to be Clinton, everybody thought so. He turns around and does something very interesting and wins against all odds.
I think we should hold off on assuming that America is a doomed country. I think we need to relax and just wait. Trump has the potential to be a good president but while many people think it wont happen, I still believe he can come out on top as a good president with no one believing he can, just like this election.

I'm not saying Trump WILL be a good president, all I'm saying is that there's a chance. Let's let time tell us if that's true or not, eh? Let's act like sane human beings. Let's represent America in a better way. Even thought that's gonna be hard to do because of these protests but... oh well... we can try at least, right?
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#580
6 Frags +

everyone is ignoring miwo's point but literally every friend i have IRL is in a similar boat where they'd quite likely have to drop out of school if they lost their insurance that they can only maintain through the ACA

how does it feel knowing you voted for someone who could kill millions of people :)

everyone is ignoring miwo's point but literally every friend i have IRL is in a similar boat where they'd quite likely have to drop out of school if they lost their insurance that they can only maintain through the ACA

how does it feel knowing you voted for someone who could kill millions of people :)
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#581
3 Frags +
rocketslay
Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil

Basically, he is going to prevent money transfers to mexico from the US from non-citizens. We are talking billions a year, so he will propose that mexico does the one-time payment for the wall, or he will prevent the transactions, which will ensure that billions of dollars a year don't leave the country, and that will help finance the wall. He also says it is in mexicos interest as the wall would be a blow to the drug cartels which make a lot of their money selling in the US, and have become too powerful in mexico. It's all on his website, if you actually bothered to seek out more information about what he actually stands for

[quote=rocketslay]

Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil[/quote]

Basically, he is going to prevent money transfers to mexico from the US from non-citizens. We are talking billions a year, so he will propose that mexico does the one-time payment for the wall, or he will prevent the transactions, which will ensure that billions of dollars a year don't leave the country, and that will help finance the wall. He also says it is in mexicos interest as the wall would be a blow to the drug cartels which make a lot of their money selling in the US, and have become too powerful in mexico. It's all on his website, if you actually bothered to seek out more information about what he actually stands for
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#582
4 Frags +
Scissorsrocketslay
Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil

Basically, he is going to prevent money transfers to mexico from the US from non-citizens. We are talking billions a year, so he will propose that mexico does the one-time payment for the wall, or he will prevent the transactions, which will ensure that billions of dollars a year don't leave the country, and that will help finance the wall. He also says it is in mexicos interest as the wall would be a blow to the drug cartels which make a lot of their money selling in the US, and have become too powerful in mexico. It's all on his website, if you actually bothered to seek out more information about what he actually stands for

I would also assume he would hit Mexico with harsh tariffs if they refuse..

[quote=Scissors][quote=rocketslay]

Okay can someone explain how he's going to get mexico to pay for this given that it's going to be built on american soil[/quote]

Basically, he is going to prevent money transfers to mexico from the US from non-citizens. We are talking billions a year, so he will propose that mexico does the one-time payment for the wall, or he will prevent the transactions, which will ensure that billions of dollars a year don't leave the country, and that will help finance the wall. He also says it is in mexicos interest as the wall would be a blow to the drug cartels which make a lot of their money selling in the US, and have become too powerful in mexico. It's all on his website, if you actually bothered to seek out more information about what he actually stands for[/quote]

I would also assume he would hit Mexico with harsh tariffs if they refuse..
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#583
14 Frags +

if he hits mexico with tariffs

and mexico's #1 trading partner is the US

how exactly does that not end up with the US paying for the wall?

you can try and defend the wall but it actually just makes you a retard. The cost of the wall would be more easily used by just paying anyone who claims to be fucked by immigrants to shut up. It costs ~$10k to deport someone, and $25bn for the dumb wall from construction alone. Illegal immigrants are nowhere near that damaging to the US economy, and some would argue they're a benefit.

there's a reason no one in the past 20 years has actually done anything about them: its a waste of money

if he hits mexico with tariffs

and mexico's #1 trading partner is the US

how exactly does that not end up with the US paying for the wall?

you can try and defend the wall but it actually just makes you a retard. The cost of the wall would be more easily used by just paying anyone who claims to be fucked by immigrants to shut up. It costs ~$10k to deport someone, and $25bn for the dumb wall from construction alone. Illegal immigrants are nowhere near that damaging to the US economy, and some would argue they're a benefit.

there's a reason no one in the past 20 years has actually done anything about them: its a waste of money
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#584
0 Frags +
eeeIllegal immigrants are nowhere near that damaging to the US economy, and some would argue they're a benefit.

Ofcourse they are not a problem for the business owners that can get their shit done for a fraction of the price, it's the people who should actually have had the jobs who are getting screwed. And people wonder why it's these exact people who voted for him

t. son of a man who has been struggling to have steady work for years because the EU let's in all these poles and lithuanians who do all the construction work illegally for a third of the price.

[quote=eee]
Illegal immigrants are nowhere near that damaging to the US economy, and some would argue they're a benefit.[/quote]
Ofcourse they are not a problem for the business owners that can get their shit done for a fraction of the price, it's the people who should actually have had the jobs who are getting screwed. And people wonder why it's these exact people who voted for him

t. son of a man who has been struggling to have steady work for years because the EU let's in all these poles and lithuanians who do all the construction work illegally for a third of the price.
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#585
8 Frags +

You're not american so I'll let you know where illegals work here

farm fields

the things that Americans have avoided for decades because you'd be lucky to hit minimum wage. Construction and shit is whatever. Immigrants do jobs that Americans don't want to do. It is very VERY easy to replace an immigrant in a tomato field around here if you wanted to, but it never happens.

tho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmao

You're not american so I'll let you know where illegals work here

farm fields

the things that Americans have avoided for decades because you'd be lucky to hit minimum wage. Construction and shit is whatever. Immigrants do jobs that Americans don't want to do. It is very VERY easy to replace an immigrant in a tomato field around here if you wanted to, but it never happens.

tho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmao
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#586
-2 Frags +

https://action.aclu.org/secure/protect-rights-freedoms-we-believe

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/if-donald-trump-implements-his-proposed-policies-well-see-him-court

https://action.aclu.org/secure/protect-rights-freedoms-we-believe

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/if-donald-trump-implements-his-proposed-policies-well-see-him-court
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#587
3 Frags +
eeetho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmao

a "cuck" just like those who just absolutely BTFO you libtards in america. Funny how all the people who are not affected by this for some reason don't think it's a problem

[quote=eee]
tho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmao[/quote]
a "cuck" just like those who just absolutely BTFO you libtards in america. Funny how all the people who are not affected by this for some reason don't think it's a problem
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#588
-19 Frags +
Scissorseeetho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmaoa "cuck" just like those who just absolutely BTFO you libtards in america. Funny how all the people who are not affected by this for some reason don't think it's a problem

i may be a libtard but my dad was never on welfare cause he couldn't find work

because i'm not the descendant of a loser

how does it feel to genetically be inferior to other people because your father is too pathetic to market himself?

[quote=Scissors][quote=eee]
tho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmao[/quote]
a "cuck" just like those who just absolutely BTFO you libtards in america. Funny how all the people who are not affected by this for some reason don't think it's a problem[/quote]
i may be a libtard but my dad was never on welfare cause he couldn't find work

because i'm not the descendant of a loser

how does it feel to genetically be inferior to other people because your father is too pathetic to market himself?
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#589
4 Frags +
eeeScissorseeetho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmaoa "cuck" just like those who just absolutely BTFO you libtards in america. Funny how all the people who are not affected by this for some reason don't think it's a problemi may be a libtard but my dad was never on welfare cause he couldn't find work

because i'm not the descendant of a loser

how does it feel to genetically be inferior to other people because your father is too pathetic to market himself?

xD o im laffin

[quote=eee][quote=Scissors][quote=eee]
tho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmao[/quote]
a "cuck" just like those who just absolutely BTFO you libtards in america. Funny how all the people who are not affected by this for some reason don't think it's a problem[/quote]
i may be a libtard but my dad was never on welfare cause he couldn't find work

because i'm not the descendant of a loser

how does it feel to genetically be inferior to other people because your father is too pathetic to market himself?[/quote]
xD o im laffin
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#590
3 Frags +
eeei may be a libtard but my dad was never on welfare cause he couldn't find work

because i'm not the descendant of a loser

how does it feel to genetically be inferior to other people because your father is too pathetic to market himself?

This is what democrats have degenerated into, folks. Poetry. What happened to being the workingclass's voice? I guess virtuesignalling is more important now. Congratulations, look where it got you. And feels really really good to be the son of a man who worked honestly for 50 years and raised a healthy family, thanks.

[quote=eee]
i may be a libtard but my dad was never on welfare cause he couldn't find work

because i'm not the descendant of a loser

how does it feel to genetically be inferior to other people because your father is too pathetic to market himself?[/quote]

This is what democrats have degenerated into, folks. Poetry. What happened to being the workingclass's voice? I guess virtuesignalling is more important now. Congratulations, look where it got you. And feels really really good to be the son of a man who worked honestly for 50 years and raised a healthy family, thanks.
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#591
-28 Frags +

lmao like I give a fuck about working class peasants

if you're too dumb to go to college you're too dumb to breathe

and you're clearly not healthy cause you're missing yr brain

lol

lmao like I give a fuck about working class peasants

if you're too dumb to go to college you're too dumb to breathe

and you're clearly not healthy cause you're missing yr brain

lol
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#592
4 Frags +

Pure shitpost, stop breathing.

Pure shitpost, stop breathing.
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#593
3 Frags +
Scissors

you're getting trolled my man

[quote=Scissors][/quote]

you're getting trolled my man
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#594
-5 Frags +

obama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace obamacare with a better system

obama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace obamacare with a better system
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#595
2 Frags +
eee sensible discussion eee mindless drivel

What Is Real

[quote=eee] sensible discussion [/quote]
[quote=eee] mindless drivel [/quote]

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#596
6 Frags +
eeethe things that Americans have avoided for decades because you'd be lucky to hit minimum wage. Construction and shit is whatever. Immigrants do jobs that Americans don't want to do. It is very VERY easy to replace an immigrant in a tomato field around here if you wanted to, but it never happens.

Even though eee is pretty tilted, he has a point about immigrants doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. The one problem that I fail to see with Trump is that he promises jobs for the Midwest working class but I am pretty sure a good portion don't want to milk cows or do other shitty labor jobs. Removing immigrants only open those "opportunities" and In some cases our economy rely on immigrants to do these jobs because they can't afford to pay an American to do the work.

[quote=eee]
the things that Americans have avoided for decades because you'd be lucky to hit minimum wage. Construction and shit is whatever. Immigrants do jobs that Americans don't want to do. It is very VERY easy to replace an immigrant in a tomato field around here if you wanted to, but it never happens.[/quote]

Even though eee is pretty tilted, he has a point about immigrants doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. The one problem that I fail to see with Trump is that he promises jobs for the Midwest working class but I am pretty sure a good portion don't want to milk cows or do other shitty labor jobs. Removing immigrants only open those "opportunities" and In some cases our economy rely on immigrants to do these jobs because they can't afford to pay an American to do the work.
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#597
3 Frags +
Menachemeee sensible discussion eee mindless drivel
What Is Real

hes just a shitposter my dude dont even think about him hes all over the place

[quote=Menachem][quote=eee] sensible discussion [/quote]
[quote=eee] mindless drivel [/quote]

[url=http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/993/875/084.png]What Is Real[/url][/quote]
hes just a shitposter my dude dont even think about him hes all over the place
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#598
-2 Frags +
ZZ10:34 PM - elliott: hey do me a favor
10:34 PM - elliott: I'm banned but make a final post for me in the election thread
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: 4 u
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: most things
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: BAHAHAHA
10:35 PM - elliott: Nub_Danishobama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace obamacare with a better system

If you couldn't afford insurance and got hit with a fine it was the fault of yr local government not accepting medicaid expansion

he never raised the price of obamacare. The ACA has slowed the acceleration of premiums compared to before and the states that took the full benefit from it have had much lower rates of acceleration compared to those that didn't

here in the US thousands of people die waiting to have enough money to afford surgery. Neither system is better but by any sort of objective measure government healthcare is more efficient and offers better outcomes. Check the WHO

Trump never said what he wants to replace it with. Assuming he does the Republican thing: National markets are stupid as shit. Look up why every credit card company is based in North Dakota if you want an example of why. Ofc he could expand the ACA but congress would cockblock him

thanks for killing my mom though, I'm sure she'll be happy knowing that the (((globalists))) won't take her job after she gets her legs cut off cause lolnomeds
Menachemeee sensible discussion eee mindless dribble he just kept ignoring anything I said that wasn't an insult so I gave up.

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just do it pls
10:36 PM - elliott: wow rude

zz's note - i didn't even read this

your mom has you to blame for trump winning maybe if you didnt call everyone who disagrees with you a racist they wouldnt have all this backlash and vote in a populist candidate like trump

[quote=ZZ]10:34 PM - elliott: hey do me a favor
10:34 PM - elliott: I'm banned but make a final post for me in the election thread
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: 4 u
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: most things
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: BAHAHAHA
10:35 PM - elliott: [quote=Nub_Danish]obama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace obamacare with a better system[/quote]

If you couldn't afford insurance and got hit with a fine it was the fault of yr local government not accepting medicaid expansion

he never raised the price of obamacare. The ACA has slowed the acceleration of premiums compared to before and the states that took the full benefit from it have had much lower rates of acceleration compared to those that didn't

here in the US thousands of people die waiting to have enough money to afford surgery. Neither system is better but by any sort of objective measure government healthcare is more efficient and offers better outcomes. Check the WHO

Trump never said what he wants to replace it with. Assuming he does the Republican thing: National markets are stupid as shit. Look up why every credit card company is based in North Dakota if you want an example of why. Ofc he could expand the ACA but congress would cockblock him

thanks for killing my mom though, I'm sure she'll be happy knowing that the (((globalists))) won't take her job after she gets her legs cut off cause lolnomeds

[quote=Menachem][quote=eee] sensible discussion [/quote]
[quote=eee] mindless dribble [/quote]he just kept ignoring anything I said that wasn't an insult so I gave up.

[ http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/993/875/084.png]What Is Real[/url][/quote]

just do it pls
10:36 PM - elliott: wow rude

zz's note - i didn't even read this[/quote]
your mom has you to blame for trump winning maybe if you didnt call everyone who disagrees with you a racist they wouldnt have all this backlash and vote in a populist candidate like trump
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#599
10 Frags +
Nub_Danishobama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace Obamacare with a better system

Trump's plan is to remove the ACA and replace it with Health Savings Accounts.

HSAs (might) work for people without chronic conditions -- you pay over a lifetime of good health into a tax free account, like an IRA, which then, hopefully by the time you have a large medical event (surgery, cancer, etc) your HSA has a high enough balance to pay. Beyond the high deductible, which you have saved up over months and months of paying into the account, the insurance company would cover the costs. So basically, years 1-9 you put money in every month, then when you have a $100,000 surgery for cancer in year 10, the money you put in (which grows tax free) gets yoinked first, then your insurance company covers the rest.

HOWEVER. If you have a chronic condition, you would essentially have to take the cost of your (very expensive) continuous care out of the HSA balance every year. When my family had an HSA, we depleted the very high deductible within months. No rollover, no tax benefits, no balance for when shit really hits the fan. It made zero sense for us to have an HSA because we were saving every month only to pay out of pocket -- which ended up being more expensive than just buckling down and buying insurance. I'm allowed to be on my parents' plan because of provisions in the ACA which extend family insurance coverage. (When that expires, in 3 years, I will buy insurance on the marketplace if such a thing still exists. Without the ACA, I will be denied insurance.)

What is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- would reduce costs negligibly. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.

[quote=Nub_Danish]obama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace Obamacare with a better system[/quote]
Trump's plan is to remove the ACA and replace it with Health Savings Accounts.

HSAs (might) work for people without chronic conditions -- you pay over a lifetime of good health into a tax free account, like an IRA, which then, hopefully by the time you have a large medical event (surgery, cancer, etc) your HSA has a high enough balance to pay. Beyond the high deductible, which you have saved up over months and months of paying into the account, the insurance company would cover the costs. So basically, years 1-9 you put money in every month, then when you have a $100,000 surgery for cancer in year 10, the money you put in (which grows tax free) gets yoinked first, then your insurance company covers the rest.

HOWEVER. If you have a chronic condition, you would essentially have to take the cost of your (very expensive) continuous care out of the HSA balance every year. When my family had an HSA, we depleted the very high deductible within months. No rollover, no tax benefits, no balance for when shit really hits the fan. It made zero sense for us to have an HSA because we were saving every month only to pay out of pocket -- which ended up being more expensive than just buckling down and buying insurance. I'm allowed to be on my parents' plan because of provisions in the ACA which extend family insurance coverage. (When that expires, in 3 years, I will buy insurance on the marketplace if such a thing still exists. Without the ACA, I will be denied insurance.)

What is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/upshot/the-problem-with-gop-plans-to-sell-health-insurance-across-state-lines.html]would reduce costs negligibly[/url]. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.
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miwoWhat is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- would reduce costs negligibly. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.

Would those that you're mentioning as "uninsured" be those that are opting out of the program in favor of their own plans that benefit them more? Because I feel like if that's the demographic that can afford their own programs without many financial issues, then is there much of a reason to worry about them, since they are investing in a program that theoretically (or actually idk which tbh) would offer them more?

I understand that through reading the article that you linked that there's a little more than meets the eye when it comes to this kind of business across state lines, but is there a real reason why there are contracts between the doctors and the hospitals that were mentioned? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious to see if there could be a possible solution that's not happening just because of a few things

[quote=miwo]What is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/upshot/the-problem-with-gop-plans-to-sell-health-insurance-across-state-lines.html]would reduce costs negligibly[/url]. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.[/quote]

Would those that you're mentioning as "uninsured" be those that are opting out of the program in favor of their own plans that benefit them more? Because I feel like if that's the demographic that can afford their own programs without many financial issues, then is there much of a reason to worry about them, since they are investing in a program that theoretically (or actually idk which tbh) would offer them more?

I understand that through reading the article that you linked that there's a little more than meets the eye when it comes to this kind of business across state lines, but is there a real reason why there are contracts between the doctors and the hospitals that were mentioned? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious to see if there could be a possible solution that's not happening just because of a few things
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