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#8 TFCL unveil league reboot with Season 5 in News
H0jinWhat about ESL sixes? We are all counting on ESL....

ESL Play axed TF2 a few weeks ago after low interest responses in the NA Interest Form survey (needed ~>45 teams, got only ~38 or something) and low player numbers in the EU cups.

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#37 One song you've been listening to a lot lately. in Music, Movies, TV

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#4 SVIFT falls again, regains consciousness as Faint Gaming EU in News

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#4 Need help finding a old Carnage video in TF2 General Discussion
demerolIt was saber07.

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#9 ESEA S31 W4: froyotech vs. Ascent in Matches

nothin personnel, froyo

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#14 PugChamp in The Dumpster

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#85 birthday giveaway! :D in Off Topic

big best buy energy

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#4 what league are y'all gonna play in in TF2 General Discussion
jetzzzzzunless ESL comes in with a LAN

how and why would ESL have a TF2 LAN

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#21 what's ur goto order from mcdonalds in Off Topic

i miss the bbq ranch burger :(

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#8 ESEA S31 W1: Ford Gaming vs. Nuketown in Matches

what a great way to kick off the final season of esea tf2

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#4 EMERGENCY MAJOR CS:GO update for 4/30/19 in CSGO General Discussion

tf2 devs:

csgo devs: here's a fucking ballistic shield

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#116 Pls help save invite!!!! in TF2 General Discussion

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#9 My best LAN so far in LAN Discussion

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#4 Regarding ESL (Play) and ESEA in TF2 General Discussion
whitepuzzleIf ESEA dropped TF2 because it was losing them money, and ESL owns ESEA, for what purpose would ESL want to branch into TF2?

The reason why ESEA dropped TF2 wasn't because they were losing money; Premium Fees + League Fees likely gave them a slight profit with TF2. ESEA dropped TF2 because the game's league wasn't growing and because "TF2 only comprised of 1% of ESEA's population and the resources put into the game could be instead put into CS:GO and thus impact a greater number of people." Essentially ESEA sought to centralise its resources into CS:GO and TF2's low rate of return just made the game a tumour that ESEA put off cutting.

ESL Play, in comparison, is much broader and much more open in its catalogue of games, which includes over 25 at the moment. It's much easier for ESL Play to branch into TF2 because its backend is more flexible and because their structure is more oriented towards different games rather than just CS:GO and CS:GO alone.

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#1 Regarding ESL (Play) and ESEA in TF2 General Discussion

There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding mitch's statement regarding ESL Play and a possible upcoming league through the service.

First, it's best to get the elephant in the room out of the way. While mitch is a league admin for ESL Play's TF2 division, he is not an employee of ESL (in regards to their ESL Play division) nor does he necessarily have massive influence on the direction of ESL Play's expansion into TF2 — at least to my knowledge. While I've been told by mitch that plans are currently underway to start a league, and I trust that he's relaying this information in good faith, his word is not final.

Secondly, ESL Play and ESL (i.e. ESL Pro League, ESL One) are basically semi-autonomous entities in relation to their connection and influence. ESL's event organizing division will usually use ESL Play for said event's qualifiers, but a game being on ESL Play does not automatically segue the game into a possible LAN event. ESL Play's actions have little impact on the actions of their live event organizers.

Thirdly, ESL does own ESEA, yes. However, it's important to understand why ESL acquired the league in the first place. ESEA was acquired by ESL in late 2015 as an investment in the rapidly expanding CS:GO competitive scene. ESEA had not only the largest CS:GO league in the world, but also the largest paid pug system, and a professional division (Invite). After the acquisition, Invite was folded into ESL ESEA Pro League and TF2 was dumped as a result. It's also important to note that ESL Play likely has little-to-no influence or authority regarding ESEA's actions or administration.

This is not to say that ESL Play expanding into TF2 is a bad thing; I'm excited to see what might come out of this. I just wanted to clear up some wrong assumptions I've been seeing here and on Twitch.

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