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#601
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Menachemeee sensible discussion eee mindless drivel
What Is Real

hes just a shitposter my dude dont even think about him hes all over the place

[quote=Menachem][quote=eee] sensible discussion [/quote]
[quote=eee] mindless drivel [/quote]

[url=http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/993/875/084.png]What Is Real[/url][/quote]
hes just a shitposter my dude dont even think about him hes all over the place
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#602
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ZZ10:34 PM - elliott: hey do me a favor
10:34 PM - elliott: I'm banned but make a final post for me in the election thread
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: 4 u
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: most things
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: BAHAHAHA
10:35 PM - elliott: Nub_Danishobama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace obamacare with a better system

If you couldn't afford insurance and got hit with a fine it was the fault of yr local government not accepting medicaid expansion

he never raised the price of obamacare. The ACA has slowed the acceleration of premiums compared to before and the states that took the full benefit from it have had much lower rates of acceleration compared to those that didn't

here in the US thousands of people die waiting to have enough money to afford surgery. Neither system is better but by any sort of objective measure government healthcare is more efficient and offers better outcomes. Check the WHO

Trump never said what he wants to replace it with. Assuming he does the Republican thing: National markets are stupid as shit. Look up why every credit card company is based in North Dakota if you want an example of why. Ofc he could expand the ACA but congress would cockblock him

thanks for killing my mom though, I'm sure she'll be happy knowing that the (((globalists))) won't take her job after she gets her legs cut off cause lolnomeds
Menachemeee sensible discussion eee mindless dribble he just kept ignoring anything I said that wasn't an insult so I gave up.

[ http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/993/875/084.png]What Is Real[/url]

just do it pls
10:36 PM - elliott: wow rude

zz's note - i didn't even read this

your mom has you to blame for trump winning maybe if you didnt call everyone who disagrees with you a racist they wouldnt have all this backlash and vote in a populist candidate like trump

[quote=ZZ]10:34 PM - elliott: hey do me a favor
10:34 PM - elliott: I'm banned but make a final post for me in the election thread
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: 4 u
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: most things
10:35 PM - Z.Z.: BAHAHAHA
10:35 PM - elliott: [quote=Nub_Danish]obama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace obamacare with a better system[/quote]

If you couldn't afford insurance and got hit with a fine it was the fault of yr local government not accepting medicaid expansion

he never raised the price of obamacare. The ACA has slowed the acceleration of premiums compared to before and the states that took the full benefit from it have had much lower rates of acceleration compared to those that didn't

here in the US thousands of people die waiting to have enough money to afford surgery. Neither system is better but by any sort of objective measure government healthcare is more efficient and offers better outcomes. Check the WHO

Trump never said what he wants to replace it with. Assuming he does the Republican thing: National markets are stupid as shit. Look up why every credit card company is based in North Dakota if you want an example of why. Ofc he could expand the ACA but congress would cockblock him

thanks for killing my mom though, I'm sure she'll be happy knowing that the (((globalists))) won't take her job after she gets her legs cut off cause lolnomeds

[quote=Menachem][quote=eee] sensible discussion [/quote]
[quote=eee] mindless dribble [/quote]he just kept ignoring anything I said that wasn't an insult so I gave up.

[ http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/993/875/084.png]What Is Real[/url][/quote]

just do it pls
10:36 PM - elliott: wow rude

zz's note - i didn't even read this[/quote]
your mom has you to blame for trump winning maybe if you didnt call everyone who disagrees with you a racist they wouldnt have all this backlash and vote in a populist candidate like trump
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#603
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Nub_Danishobama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace Obamacare with a better system

Trump's plan is to remove the ACA and replace it with Health Savings Accounts.

HSAs (might) work for people without chronic conditions -- you pay over a lifetime of good health into a tax free account, like an IRA, which then, hopefully by the time you have a large medical event (surgery, cancer, etc) your HSA has a high enough balance to pay. Beyond the high deductible, which you have saved up over months and months of paying into the account, the insurance company would cover the costs. So basically, years 1-9 you put money in every month, then when you have a $100,000 surgery for cancer in year 10, the money you put in (which grows tax free) gets yoinked first, then your insurance company covers the rest.

HOWEVER. If you have a chronic condition, you would essentially have to take the cost of your (very expensive) continuous care out of the HSA balance every year. When my family had an HSA, we depleted the very high deductible within months. No rollover, no tax benefits, no balance for when shit really hits the fan. It made zero sense for us to have an HSA because we were saving every month only to pay out of pocket -- which ended up being more expensive than just buckling down and buying insurance. I'm allowed to be on my parents' plan because of provisions in the ACA which extend family insurance coverage. (When that expires, in 3 years, I will buy insurance on the marketplace if such a thing still exists. Without the ACA, I will be denied insurance.)

What is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- would reduce costs negligibly. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.

[quote=Nub_Danish]obama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace Obamacare with a better system[/quote]
Trump's plan is to remove the ACA and replace it with Health Savings Accounts.

HSAs (might) work for people without chronic conditions -- you pay over a lifetime of good health into a tax free account, like an IRA, which then, hopefully by the time you have a large medical event (surgery, cancer, etc) your HSA has a high enough balance to pay. Beyond the high deductible, which you have saved up over months and months of paying into the account, the insurance company would cover the costs. So basically, years 1-9 you put money in every month, then when you have a $100,000 surgery for cancer in year 10, the money you put in (which grows tax free) gets yoinked first, then your insurance company covers the rest.

HOWEVER. If you have a chronic condition, you would essentially have to take the cost of your (very expensive) continuous care out of the HSA balance every year. When my family had an HSA, we depleted the very high deductible within months. No rollover, no tax benefits, no balance for when shit really hits the fan. It made zero sense for us to have an HSA because we were saving every month only to pay out of pocket -- which ended up being more expensive than just buckling down and buying insurance. I'm allowed to be on my parents' plan because of provisions in the ACA which extend family insurance coverage. (When that expires, in 3 years, I will buy insurance on the marketplace if such a thing still exists. Without the ACA, I will be denied insurance.)

What is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/upshot/the-problem-with-gop-plans-to-sell-health-insurance-across-state-lines.html]would reduce costs negligibly[/url]. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.
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#604
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miwoWhat is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- would reduce costs negligibly. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.

Would those that you're mentioning as "uninsured" be those that are opting out of the program in favor of their own plans that benefit them more? Because I feel like if that's the demographic that can afford their own programs without many financial issues, then is there much of a reason to worry about them, since they are investing in a program that theoretically (or actually idk which tbh) would offer them more?

I understand that through reading the article that you linked that there's a little more than meets the eye when it comes to this kind of business across state lines, but is there a real reason why there are contracts between the doctors and the hospitals that were mentioned? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious to see if there could be a possible solution that's not happening just because of a few things

[quote=miwo]What is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/upshot/the-problem-with-gop-plans-to-sell-health-insurance-across-state-lines.html]would reduce costs negligibly[/url]. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.[/quote]

Would those that you're mentioning as "uninsured" be those that are opting out of the program in favor of their own plans that benefit them more? Because I feel like if that's the demographic that can afford their own programs without many financial issues, then is there much of a reason to worry about them, since they are investing in a program that theoretically (or actually idk which tbh) would offer them more?

I understand that through reading the article that you linked that there's a little more than meets the eye when it comes to this kind of business across state lines, but is there a real reason why there are contracts between the doctors and the hospitals that were mentioned? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious to see if there could be a possible solution that's not happening just because of a few things
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#605
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taiwan and japan has lit healthcare because every single procedure is listed in a book next to a price set by the government

taiwan and japan has lit healthcare because every single procedure is listed in a book next to a price set by the government
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#606
8 Frags +

Not sure why someone was banned here? Looks like some mods are more politically sensitive

Not sure why someone was banned here? Looks like some mods are more politically sensitive
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#607
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EvrewsNot sure why someone was banned here? Looks like some mods are more politically sensitive

To be fair me Percy and viper only got like 1 hour bans but still the shit we got banned for was silly banter and we definitely should not have gotten banned for it..

[quote=Evrews]Not sure why someone was banned here? Looks like some mods are more politically sensitive[/quote]

To be fair me Percy and viper only got like 1 hour bans but still the shit we got banned for was silly banter and we definitely should not have gotten banned for it..
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#608
6 Frags +

Twitter is just a mass of people whining like petulant children. I didn't make enough popcorn for all this "If you voted for Donald Trump, you better unfollow me right now!" bullshit. I just hope all those terrible celebrities leave.

Twitter is just a mass of people whining like petulant children. I didn't make enough popcorn for all this "If you voted for Donald Trump, you better unfollow me right now!" bullshit. I just hope all those terrible celebrities leave.
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#609
-3 Frags +

I should learn to speak russian

I should learn to speak russian
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#610
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KonceptWould those that you're mentioning as "uninsured" be those that are opting out of the program in favor of their own plans that benefit them more? Because I feel like if that's the demographic that can afford their own programs without many financial issues, then is there much of a reason to worry about them, since they are investing in a program that theoretically (or actually idk which tbh) would offer them more?

There is no "program" to opt out of.

The vast majority of Americans get health insurance through one of three places: A job or institution which provides such benefits, a family plan, or Medicare (seniors only) and Medicaid (below the poverty line only).

So if you have a chronic condition, your best bet is to be employed full time for a large firm or the government, be poor enough or old enough to qualify for Medicare or Medicaid, or be young enough to be on your parents' health plan which only exists if they are insured through work.

The demographic who can afford treatment for serious chronic illnesses without insurance is vanishingly small. Many people without these options go without insurance, which is ok for younger people, and not very ok for older people who have occasional health mishaps. That's also why people show up at the E.R. with unmanaged chronic conditions -- there is no money for insurance to treat chronic conditions, but the E.R. must take people who are sick, so people who don't have insurance end up letting minor things they can't afford turn into major things that require ambulances and surgery.

Also medical bankruptcy is the most common form of bankruptcy in the US.

I understand that through reading the article that you linked that there's a little more than meets the eye when it comes to this kind of business across state lines, but is there a real reason why there are contracts between the doctors and the hospitals that were mentioned? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious to see if there could be a possible solution that's not happening just because of a few things

Insurance companies generally require you see specific doctors (a network), take specific medications (among those available for your condition), and physically visit specific clinics. The insurance company does some negotiating with those parties to lower costs for the insurance company -- you pay sticker price for anything outside of the "network". When I switched insurance, for example, I changed insulins from Novolog (Novo Nordisk) to Humalog (Eli Lilly). I also changed doctors and clinics. Not for any health reason, mind, but so that my insurance company could get a cheaper rate on my care. I personally had issues with dosing when I switched doctors and medications -- didn't wake up one morning and had to take a $5000 ambulance ride. We negotiated the collectors on my ambulance debt down to around $1500 and paid out of pocket.

These reasons among others are why there are so many young people uninsured. Because it's an expensive nightmare. Might as well go bankrupt if you're in a bad car accident or have a freakish heart attack. Also, it's one reason for rising insurance costs -- fewer healthy policy holders to subsidize the sick and chronically ill.

When the ACA was passed, it did a number of things:

  • Allowed young people to stay insured through their family's policy for longer
  • Fined people and businesses without insurance (adding healthy, otherwise un-insured people to the pool -- lowering costs ultimately for everyone)
  • Prohibited insurance companies from dropping chronically ill polcyholders
  • Offered subsidies for people struggling to pay high insurance premiums

It was specifically designed to allow those people who fall through the cracks to get insured and have access to healthcare. But unfortunately, there was no public option -- i.e. no expansion of medicare to people younger than 65. The penalties for staying uninsured were too low -- the healthiest in the pool who are supposed to subsidize care for everyone else simply pay the fine and stay uninsured. Republicans vigorously fought both when the bill was on the floor. Actually, no, Republicans fought vigorously on every provision of the ACA.

So, when HRC had specific policy proposals to expand medicaid, expand the ACA, and potentially offer a public option... There was some hope there.

Instead, we need to burn the whole thing and leave it up to the magic of business (tm) to lower our rates. We'll see, I guess, won't we?

[quote=Koncept]
Would those that you're mentioning as "uninsured" be those that are opting out of the program in favor of their own plans that benefit them more? Because I feel like if that's the demographic that can afford their own programs without many financial issues, then is there much of a reason to worry about them, since they are investing in a program that theoretically (or actually idk which tbh) would offer them more?[/quote]
There is no "program" to opt out of.

The vast majority of Americans get health insurance through one of three places: A job or institution which provides such benefits, a family plan, or Medicare (seniors only) and Medicaid (below the poverty line only).

So if you have a chronic condition, your best bet is to be employed full time for a large firm or the government, be poor enough or old enough to qualify for Medicare or Medicaid, or be young enough to be on your parents' health plan which only exists if they are insured through work.

The demographic who can afford treatment for serious chronic illnesses without insurance is vanishingly small. Many people without these options go without insurance, which is ok for younger people, and not very ok for older people who have occasional health mishaps. That's also why people show up at the E.R. with unmanaged chronic conditions -- there is no money for insurance to treat chronic conditions, but the E.R. must take people who are sick, so people who don't have insurance end up letting minor things they can't afford turn into major things that require ambulances and surgery.

Also medical bankruptcy is the most common form of bankruptcy in the US.
[quote]I understand that through reading the article that you linked that there's a little more than meets the eye when it comes to this kind of business across state lines, but is there a real reason why there are contracts between the doctors and the hospitals that were mentioned? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious to see if there could be a possible solution that's not happening just because of a few things[/quote]

Insurance companies generally require you see specific doctors (a network), take specific medications (among those available for your condition), and physically visit specific clinics. The insurance company does some negotiating with those parties to lower costs for the insurance company -- you pay sticker price for anything outside of the "network". When I switched insurance, for example, I changed insulins from Novolog (Novo Nordisk) to Humalog (Eli Lilly). I also changed doctors and clinics. Not for any health reason, mind, but so that my insurance company could get a cheaper rate on my care. I personally had issues with dosing when I switched doctors and medications -- didn't wake up one morning and had to take a $5000 ambulance ride. We negotiated the collectors on my ambulance debt down to around $1500 and paid out of pocket.

These reasons among others are why there are so many young people uninsured. Because it's an expensive nightmare. Might as well go bankrupt if you're in a bad car accident or have a freakish heart attack. Also, it's one reason for rising insurance costs -- fewer healthy policy holders to subsidize the sick and chronically ill.

When the ACA was passed, it did a number of things:
[list]
[*] Allowed young people to stay insured through their family's policy for longer
[*] Fined people and businesses without insurance (adding healthy, otherwise un-insured people to the pool -- lowering costs ultimately for everyone)
[*] Prohibited insurance companies from dropping chronically ill polcyholders
[*] Offered subsidies for people struggling to pay high insurance premiums
[/list]

It was specifically designed to allow those people who fall through the cracks to get insured and have access to healthcare. But unfortunately, there was no public option -- i.e. no expansion of medicare to people younger than 65. The penalties for staying uninsured were too low -- the healthiest in the pool who are supposed to subsidize care for everyone else simply pay the fine and stay uninsured. Republicans vigorously fought both when the bill was on the floor. Actually, no, Republicans fought vigorously on every provision of the ACA.

So, when HRC had specific policy proposals to expand medicaid, expand the ACA, and potentially offer a public option... There was some hope there.

Instead, we need to burn the whole thing and leave it up to the magic of business (tm) to lower our rates. We'll see, I guess, won't we?
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#611
-5 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/pbhZiv4.png

[img]https://i.imgur.com/pbhZiv4.png[/img]
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#612
-5 Frags +

dont know why posting walls of text about this shit on a dead video game forum calms me down but I am so so fucking anxious about what could happen with healthcare over the next 4 years. i've never felt like this about my future before.

dont know why posting walls of text about this shit on a dead video game forum calms me down but I am so so fucking anxious about what could happen with healthcare over the next 4 years. i've never felt like this about my future before.
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#613
0 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f76KnIPejpM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f76KnIPejpM
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#614
17 Frags +

http://i.imgur.com/dACDe0o.png

[img]http://i.imgur.com/dACDe0o.png[/img]
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#615
2 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qaTJAeD0-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qaTJAeD0-8
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#616
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miwodont know why posting walls of text about this shit on a dead video game forum calms me down but I am so so fucking anxious about what could happen with healthcare over the next 4 years. i've never felt like this about my future before.

This and immigrants who are here with DACA who have gotten degrees, jobs, pay our taxes, etc worried about being deported when it gets repealed seem to be pretty common sentiments as far as being anxious goes. I feel for you as little as I know that means right now. :(

[quote=miwo]dont know why posting walls of text about this shit on a dead video game forum calms me down but I am so so fucking anxious about what could happen with healthcare over the next 4 years. i've never felt like this about my future before.[/quote]

This and immigrants who are here with DACA who have gotten degrees, jobs, pay our taxes, etc worried about being deported when it gets repealed seem to be pretty common sentiments as far as being anxious goes. I feel for you as little as I know that means right now. :(
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#617
1 Frags +

the facebook outbursts are worse than i thought

http://i.imgur.com/9BDaALw.jpg

that is her father she is replying to

http://i.imgur.com/YQhiu16.jpg

another lovely reply to her father (note that she is white herself)

http://i.imgur.com/0ZSQzLZ.jpg

different girl

http://i.imgur.com/jyAhu3Q.jpg

didn't know she spoke for all women, "poc", and lgbtqfjeowf people!

the facebook outbursts are worse than i thought
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9BDaALw.jpg[/IMG]
that is her father she is replying to
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YQhiu16.jpg[/IMG]
another lovely reply to her father (note that she is white herself)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0ZSQzLZ.jpg[/IMG]
different girl
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jyAhu3Q.jpg[/IMG]
didn't know she spoke for all women, "poc", and lgbtqfjeowf people!
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#618
7 Frags +
ultyEven though eee is pretty tilted, he has a point about immigrants doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. The one problem that I fail to see with Trump is that he promises jobs for the Midwest working class but I am pretty sure a good portion don't want to milk cows or do other shitty labor jobs. Removing immigrants only open those "opportunities" and In some cases our economy rely on immigrants to do these jobs because they can't afford to pay an American to do the work.

There is no such thing as jobs that "American's don't want to do." Just like any job market in the free world if a job is shit and no one wants it then they raise wages until someone wants it, or find another way to solve the problem (e.g. build a robot or automate the work). Case and point.... Last I checked cows were mostly milked by machine in this country....

[quote=ulty]Even though eee is pretty tilted, he has a point about immigrants doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. The one problem that I fail to see with Trump is that he promises jobs for the Midwest working class but I am pretty sure a good portion don't want to milk cows or do other shitty labor jobs. Removing immigrants only open those "opportunities" and In some cases our economy rely on immigrants to do these jobs because they can't afford to pay an American to do the work.[/quote]

There is no such thing as jobs that "American's don't want to do." Just like any job market in the free world if a job is shit and no one wants it then they raise wages until someone wants it, or find another way to solve the problem (e.g. build a robot or automate the work). Case and point.... Last I checked cows were mostly milked by machine in this country....
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#619
-10 Frags +
dollarlayerThere is no such thing as jobs that "American's don't want to do." Just like any job market in the free world if a job is shit and no one wants it then they raise wages until someone wants it, or find another way to solve the problem (e.g. build a robot or automate the work). Case and point.... Last I checked cows were mostly milked by machine in this country....

So you're admitting that the whole deportation thing isn't actually about freeing up jobs for American workers. Because all it'll do is make the business that relied on them close down.

[quote=dollarlayer]
There is no such thing as jobs that "American's don't want to do." Just like any job market in the free world if a job is shit and no one wants it then they raise wages until someone wants it, or find another way to solve the problem (e.g. build a robot or automate the work). Case and point.... Last I checked cows were mostly milked by machine in this country....[/quote]

So you're admitting that the whole deportation thing isn't actually about freeing up jobs for American workers. Because all it'll do is make the business that relied on them close down.
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#620
2 Frags +

I do sincerely hope that laws supporting lgbtq and minorities arent reversed (i dont think they can be though? Not sure) and that laws against abortion and planned parenthood are not created. If they are it is indeed a dark age in the west.

I do sincerely hope that laws supporting lgbtq and minorities arent reversed (i dont think they can be though? Not sure) and that laws [u]against[/u] abortion and planned parenthood are not created. If they are it is indeed a dark age in the west.
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#621
16 Frags +

tbh im pretty happy seeing sjws getting triggered and buttblasted

tbh im pretty happy seeing sjws getting triggered and buttblasted
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#622
2 Frags +

I'd like to add to the global warming point

Trump's first bullet point on energy policy:

Make America energy independent, create millions of new jobs, and protect clean air and clean water. We will conserve our natural habitats, reserves and resources.

Trump's third bullet point on energy policy:

Unleash America’s $50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, plus hundreds of years in clean coal reserves.

How are you supposed to do the first by encouraging our reserves to be drained, removing EPA regulations, cutting funding for the EPA, and replacing the head of the EPA with a climate change denier.

I'd like to add to the global warming point

Trump's first bullet point on energy policy:
[quote]Make America energy independent, create millions of new jobs, and [b]protect clean air and clean water. We will conserve our natural habitats, reserves and resources.[/b][/quote]

Trump's third bullet point on energy policy:
[quote]Unleash America’s $50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, plus hundreds of years in clean coal reserves.[/quote]

How are you supposed to do the first by encouraging our reserves to be drained, removing EPA regulations, cutting funding for the EPA, and replacing the head of the EPA with a climate change denier.
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#623
8 Frags +

Even though I am not a fan of Trump (or Hillary), it would be hilarious to see him doing a lot of good things for the USA and shutting everybody's mounths that way.

Let's hope that happens.

Even though I am not a fan of Trump (or Hillary), it would be hilarious to see him doing a lot of good things for the USA and shutting everybody's mounths that way.

Let's hope that happens.
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#624
2 Frags +

wtf how are you guys still typing up nerd essays

wtf how are you guys still typing up nerd essays
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#625
2 Frags +
Pankeymanhttps://i.imgur.com/z2HZYVa.jpg

I know how I'll celebrate tonight.

Wtf, that's like the worst rolled joint I've ever seen.

[quote=Pankeyman][img]https://i.imgur.com/z2HZYVa.jpg[/img]

I know how I'll celebrate tonight.[/quote]
Wtf, that's like the worst rolled joint I've ever seen.
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#626
2 Frags +

My dad just texted me an essay about how I should be ashamed for not voting and that Texas had a ridiculously small voter turnout and should've been a major player in the election.
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.

My dad just texted me an essay about how I should be ashamed for not voting and that Texas had a ridiculously small voter turnout and should've been a major player in the election.
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.
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#627
2 Frags +
THEBILLDOZERMy dad just texted me an essay about how I should be ashamed for not voting and that Texas had a ridiculously small voter turnout and should've been a major player in the election.
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.

Why didn't you vote? Just wondering, didn't like any of the candidates?

[quote=THEBILLDOZER]My dad just texted me an essay about how I should be ashamed for not voting and that Texas had a ridiculously small voter turnout and should've been a major player in the election.
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.[/quote]
Why didn't you vote? Just wondering, didn't like any of the candidates?
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THEBILLDOZERKeep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.

Source??

[quote=THEBILLDOZER]
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.[/quote]
Source??
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MagikarpTHEBILLDOZERMy dad just texted me an essay about how I should be ashamed for not voting and that Texas had a ridiculously small voter turnout and should've been a major player in the election.
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.
Why didn't you vote? Just wondering, didn't like any of the candidates?

I didn't, and I wasn't going to waste my vote by going third party instead

Dr_HeinzTHEBILLDOZERKeep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.Source??

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/291759-poll-jill-stein-tied-with-harambe-trailing-deez-nutz-in-texas
I think Alfa had posted it earlier in the thread.
I don't know the hill very well. If they're a satirical news source then that's my bad.

[quote=Magikarp][quote=THEBILLDOZER]My dad just texted me an essay about how I should be ashamed for not voting and that Texas had a ridiculously small voter turnout and should've been a major player in the election.
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.[/quote]
Why didn't you vote? Just wondering, didn't like any of the candidates?[/quote]
I didn't, and I wasn't going to waste my vote by going third party instead
[quote=Dr_Heinz][quote=THEBILLDOZER]
Keep in mind Harambe got more write ins than Jill Stein got votes in Texas.[/quote]
Source??[/quote]
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/291759-poll-jill-stein-tied-with-harambe-trailing-deez-nutz-in-texas
I think Alfa had posted it earlier in the thread.
I don't know the hill very well. If they're a satirical news source then that's my bad.
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dollarlayerultyEven though eee is pretty tilted, he has a point about immigrants doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. The one problem that I fail to see with Trump is that he promises jobs for the Midwest working class but I am pretty sure a good portion don't want to milk cows or do other shitty labor jobs. Removing immigrants only open those "opportunities" and In some cases our economy rely on immigrants to do these jobs because they can't afford to pay an American to do the work.
There is no such thing as jobs that "American's don't want to do." Just like any job market in the free world if a job is shit and no one wants it then they raise wages until someone wants it, or find another way to solve the problem (e.g. build a robot or automate the work). Case and point.... Last I checked cows were mostly milked by machine in this country....

At least for agriculture, that "find another way to solve the problem" includes making produce more expensive or resorting to importing more from other countries that do have people willing to work those lower wages. And for that matter replacing the illegal immigrant workers with automated robots doesn't really create any new long-term jobs, other than the handful of extra technicians (assuming most employers would opt to learn how to operate them themselves).

Dairy cows are probably the worst example of necessary manual labour because of how much is automated, but it's not as simple as that either. Cleaning must be done manually and regularly to disinfect, and I think it's unlikely we'll see 'automated' cleaning of the cows and cows' housing or anything, as just an example. For industrial scale dairy farms, grazing is time-consuming and unreliable, so many opt to feed their cows grains and/or alfalfa, which is usually grown on the farm and requires a deal of labour to produce (or is bought in from elsewhere, which just means the work needs to be done by other people). Making these positions cost more is obviously either going to be cutting into the profits of dairy farmers (if they had any), or cause higher milk prices. Considering that American dairy farms are already struggling a fair bit with getting profit at all (and I've only seen Illinois', but they usually don't), and iirc since milk is considered essential the dairy price is artificially set so the price remains relatively stable (even though it's lower than what would otherwise be charged), that's not really possible to just do.

If it were such a cut-and-dry better-in-every-way case, every candidate would make it a selling point that they're deporting en masse. But that's just not the reality of the situation.

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=ulty]Even though eee is pretty tilted, he has a point about immigrants doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. The one problem that I fail to see with Trump is that he promises jobs for the Midwest working class but I am pretty sure a good portion don't want to milk cows or do other shitty labor jobs. Removing immigrants only open those "opportunities" and In some cases our economy rely on immigrants to do these jobs because they can't afford to pay an American to do the work.[/quote]

There is no such thing as jobs that "American's don't want to do." Just like any job market in the free world if a job is shit and no one wants it then they raise wages until someone wants it, or find another way to solve the problem (e.g. build a robot or automate the work). Case and point.... Last I checked cows were mostly milked by machine in this country....[/quote]
At least for agriculture, that "find another way to solve the problem" includes making produce more expensive or resorting to importing more from other countries that do have people willing to work those lower wages. And for that matter replacing the illegal immigrant workers with automated robots doesn't really create any new long-term jobs, other than the handful of extra technicians (assuming most employers would opt to learn how to operate them themselves).

Dairy cows are probably the worst example of necessary manual labour because of how much is automated, but it's not as simple as that either. Cleaning must be done manually and regularly to disinfect, and I think it's unlikely we'll see 'automated' cleaning of the cows and cows' housing or anything, as just an example. For industrial scale dairy farms, grazing is time-consuming and unreliable, so many opt to feed their cows grains and/or alfalfa, which is usually grown on the farm and requires a deal of labour to produce (or is bought in from elsewhere, which just means the work needs to be done by other people). Making these positions cost more is obviously either going to be cutting into the profits of dairy farmers (if they had any), or cause higher milk prices. Considering that American dairy farms are already struggling a fair bit with getting profit at all (and I've only seen Illinois', but they [url=http://farmdocdaily.illinois.edu/2016/09/08/fdd080916_fig1.jpg]usually don't[/url]), and iirc since milk is considered essential the dairy price is artificially set so the price remains relatively stable (even though it's lower than what would otherwise be charged), that's not really possible to just do.

If it were such a cut-and-dry better-in-every-way case, every candidate would make it a selling point that they're deporting en masse. But that's just not the reality of the situation.
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