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#121
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b4nnyThalashFor example constantly shit talking european players and thus alienating a huge percentage of his viewerbase. I, as a person making a living as a streamer, must be conscious of both my audience and my personal integrity. However, there's a big difference between calling out irrational idiots and doing what someone like ruwin did to kill his entire fanbase by having a mental breakdown and fighting against a literal truth.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhT-A24bVw

[quote=b4nny]
[quote=Thalash]For example constantly shit talking european players and thus alienating a huge percentage of his viewerbase. [/quote]
I, as a person making a living as a streamer, must be conscious of both my audience and my personal integrity. However, there's a big difference between calling out irrational idiots and doing what someone like ruwin did to kill his entire fanbase by having a mental breakdown and fighting against a literal truth.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhT-A24bVw
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#122
32 Frags +

I'd post a popcorn gif but all the good ones have been used.

So instead, I'll just remind everyone that b4nny apparently has an appointment with Valve directly. Take that as you may.

I'd post a popcorn gif but all the good ones have been used.

So instead, I'll just remind everyone that b4nny apparently has an appointment with Valve directly. Take that as you may.
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#123
47 Frags +
b4nnyTeams with good results > teams with good friends.

I can't agree with that statement. Personally I'd rather quit the game than hang out with people I hate just because they can do well in a game. Obviously there's a middleground between people you like and people that you can have fun competing with, but just throwing out personalities to play with "the best" is insane unless you're willing to put in the time and effort to get 1st place constantly. There is no economic justification for playing tf2 in comparison to just working any job, even a minimum wage one, so treating this game like a career is absolutely crazy.

What I said doesn't fully apply to you personally b4nny, what with you being in the premier position to become the main streamer of tf2 and the economic support your stream gives you. But to give that advice to anyone else while you know for a fact that they don't have your support network is pretty dumb. For most people 120 hours in 2 weeks is impossible, you can't do that while holding down a job and making time for people in your life that you care about. Simple fact of life that for 99% of the competitive community (let alone the tf2 community) this game is a hobby.

[quote=b4nny]Teams with good results > teams with good friends. [/quote]

I can't agree with that statement. Personally I'd rather quit the game than hang out with people I hate just because they can do well in a game. Obviously there's a middleground between people you like and people that you can have fun competing with, but just throwing out personalities to play with "the best" is insane unless you're willing to put in the time and effort to get 1st place constantly. There is no economic justification for playing tf2 in comparison to just working any job, even a minimum wage one, so treating this game like a career is absolutely crazy.

What I said doesn't fully apply to you personally b4nny, what with you being in the premier position to become the main streamer of tf2 and the economic support your stream gives you. But to give that advice to anyone else while you know for a fact that they don't have your support network is pretty dumb. For most people 120 hours in 2 weeks is impossible, you can't do that while holding down a job and making time for people in your life that you care about. Simple fact of life that for 99% of the competitive community (let alone the tf2 community) this game is a hobby.
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#124
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Heh, banny has gone to great lengths to hide his arrogance and has pretended to practice humility and kindness toward others for 15 seasons. Who'd have guessed a few drinks would lower his inhibitions to the point of being himself in front of others? ;-)

Heh, banny has gone to great lengths to hide his arrogance and has pretended to practice humility and kindness toward others for 15 seasons. Who'd have guessed a few drinks would lower his inhibitions to the point of being himself in front of others? ;-)
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#125
37 Frags +

one day, i hope you people will have the balls to challenge each other to 1v1s rather than hugboxing over team play and "being kind to one another"
fucking gross and pussy ass drama

one day, i hope you people will have the balls to challenge each other to 1v1s rather than hugboxing over team play and "being kind to one another"
fucking gross and pussy ass drama
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#126
17 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VREZRv_SWYU&feature=youtu.be&t=56s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VREZRv_SWYU&feature=youtu.be&t=56s
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#127
31 Frags +

reminder that b4nny called kaidus an idiot
o_O

reminder that b4nny called kaidus an idiot
o_O
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#128
6 Frags +

https://www.twitch.tv/b4nny/v/62282260

around 2:10

https://www.twitch.tv/b4nny/v/62282260

around 2:10
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#129
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Thalashb4nnyThalashFor example constantly shit talking european players and thus alienating a huge percentage of his viewerbase. I, as a person making a living as a streamer, must be conscious of both my audience and my personal integrity. However, there's a big difference between calling out irrational idiots and doing what someone like ruwin did to kill his entire fanbase by having a mental breakdown and fighting against a literal truth.
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhT-A24bVw

i dunno why shit talking EU players is a bad thing, it's not like EU players don't do the same thing to NA players. only difference is is that most EU players aren't streaming at the time of saying it.

like, if EU was nothing but respectful to NA and b4nny then fine it would be unwarranted to shittalk EU players.

[quote=Thalash][quote=b4nny]
[quote=Thalash]For example constantly shit talking european players and thus alienating a huge percentage of his viewerbase. [/quote]
I, as a person making a living as a streamer, must be conscious of both my audience and my personal integrity. However, there's a big difference between calling out irrational idiots and doing what someone like ruwin did to kill his entire fanbase by having a mental breakdown and fighting against a literal truth.
:)[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhT-A24bVw[/quote]

i dunno why shit talking EU players is a bad thing, it's not like EU players don't do the same thing to NA players. only difference is is that most EU players aren't streaming at the time of saying it.

like, if EU was nothing but respectful to NA and b4nny then fine it would be unwarranted to shittalk EU players.
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#130
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#131
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Intercontinental shittalk is great! Who here can honestly say they're not excited to see brut at i58 after the stuff he's said.

It's when you shittalk others and then get personally offended or overly defensive when you get shittalked that it becomes stupid

Intercontinental shittalk is great! Who here can honestly say they're not excited to see brut at i58 after the stuff he's said.

It's when you shittalk others and then get personally offended or overly defensive when you get shittalked that it becomes stupid
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#132
34 Frags +
r4ptureI'd post a popcorn gif but all the good ones have been used.

So instead, I'll just remind everyone that b4nny apparently has an appointment with Valve directly. Take that as you may.

Grant. We’ve had issues with Grant at previous events. Some Valve people lobbied to bring him back for i58, feeling that he deserved another chance. That was a mistake. Grant is an ass, and we won’t be working with him again.

[quote=r4pture]I'd post a popcorn gif but all the good ones have been used.

So instead, I'll just remind everyone that b4nny apparently has an appointment with Valve directly. Take that as you may.[/quote]
Grant. We’ve had issues with Grant at previous events. Some Valve people lobbied to bring him back for i58, feeling that he deserved another chance. That was a mistake. Grant is an ass, and we won’t be working with him again.
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#133
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speedyThere is no argument here.... Thalash decided to act like a moron when b4nny was drunk resulting in a brain-dead shit talking.

http://i.imgur.com/3VonLwk.png

cmonBruh

[quote=speedy]There is no argument here.... Thalash decided to act like a moron when b4nny was drunk resulting in a brain-dead shit talking.[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/3VonLwk.png[/img]
cmonBruh
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#134
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SmithsonianIntercontinental shittalk is great! Who here can honestly say they're not excited to see brut at i58 after the stuff he's said.

It's when you shittalk others and then get personally offended or overly defensive when you get shittalked that it becomes stupid

I feel like it's rather important to not have shit like this happening when our community is trying to grow. It seems like tf2 could either get big or fade into oblivion, and this certainly isn't helping it get big when people see shit like this thread and b4nny and thalash going off on each other...

[quote=Smithsonian]Intercontinental shittalk is great! Who here can honestly say they're not excited to see brut at i58 after the stuff he's said.

It's when you shittalk others and then get personally offended or overly defensive when you get shittalked that it becomes stupid[/quote]

I feel like it's rather important to not have shit like this happening when our community is trying to grow. It seems like tf2 could either get big or fade into oblivion, and this certainly isn't helping it get big when people see shit like this thread and b4nny and thalash going off on each other...
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#135
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#136
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b4nnyVarib4nny tried to start an argument with me because he saw the post I made in this thread.I've mentored you seasons before, reviewed your demos, picked you in pugs, and given you props publicly. Then you came into this thread and did exactly what I called you out for. Very immature. I don't hold grudges so maybe you'll change your mind some day. I'll be here.

You have absolutely no grounds to call out a person's character after how you've been acting tonight. You've been acting arrogant and condescending towards the community, who have been fairly critiquing your poor behavior tonight. You're one of the most prominent people in TF2, and your behavior tonight could turn newcomers away. They could be left with negative impressions of the game's community that could cause them to ignore it. Many people have worked hard and are passionate about TF2's growth, as you have in the past. Being a prominent figure in the community who also cares about the game, you have an obligation to yourself at the least, and to others to facilitate a more welcoming atmosphere that will not turn people's attention away, but towards TF2 and it's competitive scene.

[quote=b4nny][quote=Vari]b4nny tried to start an argument with me because he saw the post I made in this thread.[/quote]
I've mentored you seasons before, reviewed your demos, picked you in pugs, and given you props publicly. Then you came into this thread and did exactly what I called you out for. Very immature. I don't hold grudges so maybe you'll change your mind some day. I'll be here.[/quote]
You have absolutely no grounds to call out a person's character after how you've been acting tonight. You've been acting arrogant and condescending towards the community, who have been fairly critiquing your poor behavior tonight. You're one of the most prominent people in TF2, and your behavior tonight could turn newcomers away. They could be left with negative impressions of the game's community that could cause them to ignore it. Many people have worked hard and are passionate about TF2's growth, as you have in the past. Being a prominent figure in the community who also cares about the game, you have an obligation to yourself at the least, and to others to facilitate a more welcoming atmosphere that will not turn people's attention away, but towards TF2 and it's competitive scene.
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#137
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#138
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https://www.twitch.tv/b4nny/v/62282260?t=02h22m17s

https://www.twitch.tv/b4nny/v/62282260?t=02h22m17s
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#139
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remember that b4nny is an actual person and what you say about him will affect him
i enjoy the b4nny memes as much as the next person but this thing could turn into pretty nasty bullying. i dont wanna be part of a community like csgo where thats widely accepted

remember that b4nny is an actual person and what you say about him will affect him
i enjoy the b4nny memes as much as the next person but this thing could turn into pretty nasty bullying. i dont wanna be part of a community like csgo where thats widely accepted
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#140
74 Frags +

this is what happens when this game doesnt get updated in like a month, people become wild

this is what happens when this game doesnt get updated in like a month, people become wild
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#141
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#142
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speedyresulting in brain dead shit talking* also everything thalash said was a bait for b4nny to respond and look bad, im not even really a b4nny fan its just obvious as fuck that this whole thing is a joke and b4nny is not really at fault.

This pretty much started with b4nny shittalking thalash's OPINION
B4nny could've ignored him, but no, he had to be really defensive about it and responded to everything with "I achieved more than u in TF2, I'm wayyyy superior!"
He is the one at fault.He is bragging about his achievements and says that thalash is a fat shy nerd who wouldn't dare show his face @ lan and the next thing he says is that thalash is getting too personal.
The problem is he has an inflated ego because he's the only person in the community who can practice TF2 like a professional gamer.Other people do not have the time to do so, but thats no reason to be a dick about it and scare off new players with so much focused arrogance.

[quote=speedy]resulting in brain dead shit talking* also everything thalash said was a bait for b4nny to respond and look bad, im not even really a b4nny fan its just obvious as fuck that this whole thing is a joke and b4nny is not really at fault.[/quote]

This pretty much started with b4nny shittalking thalash's OPINION
B4nny could've ignored him, but no, he had to be really defensive about it and responded to everything with "I achieved more than u in TF2, I'm wayyyy superior!"
He is the one at fault.He is bragging about his achievements and says that thalash is a fat shy nerd who wouldn't dare show his face @ lan and the next thing he says is that thalash is getting too personal.
The problem is he has an inflated ego because he's the only person in the community who can practice TF2 like a professional gamer.Other people do not have the time to do so, but thats no reason to be a dick about it and scare off new players with so much focused arrogance.
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#143
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NeuTronashttps://www.twitch.tv/b4nny/v/62282260?t=02h22m17s

god what an arrogant asshole
how can clockwork stand him?
there is no way cw will stay on a team with him next time they lose a map in an official.
no amount of wins can compensate for his personality.

[quote=NeuTronas]https://www.twitch.tv/b4nny/v/62282260?t=02h22m17s[/quote]
god what an arrogant asshole
how can clockwork stand him?
there is no way cw will stay on a team with him next time they lose a map in an official.
no amount of wins can compensate for his personality.
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#144
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#145
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Starkieremember that b4nny is an actual person and what you say about him will affect him
i enjoy the b4nny memes as much as the next person but this thing could turn into pretty nasty bullying. i dont wanna be part of a community like csgo where thats widely accepted

and what he says could also affect others, i don't find him all that considerate.
besides, not everyone is mindlessly shit-talking banny, some have brought up solid point about his behavior.
if he behaved like a fair person then i would gladly back him up, but he's just asking for it..

[quote=Starkie]remember that b4nny is an actual person and what you say about him will affect him
i enjoy the b4nny memes as much as the next person but this thing could turn into pretty nasty bullying. i dont wanna be part of a community like csgo where thats widely accepted[/quote]

and what he says could also affect others, i don't find him all that considerate.
besides, not everyone is mindlessly shit-talking banny, some have brought up solid point about his behavior.
if he behaved like a fair person then i would gladly back him up, but he's just asking for it..
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#146
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To start with, I have to say I was asleep while all this was going on so I can't speak to specifics of what happened, but I think it's worth putting my two cents in.

I regularly watch b4nny's stream, often before I sleep because (for me) it's enjoyable and relaxing to watch. I'm fairly new to competitive and watching him play and analyse situations, etc is also very helpful to me and has helped me improve as a player. Granted, I could gain a lot of this from other TF2 streamers, but I'm used to his stream and he has a relatively high quality production because he's fully invested in it as his main means of income, so I watch him stream the most.

However, I've never liked that he calls other players idiots, and generally insults people who he doesn't respect fully as players. It bothers me, and it makes me question what I would have to do be good- if a top invite player is an idiot, what can a player with 1,000 hours possibly do to play well enough to be respected by him? That, I think, is less important though. I think b4nny doesn't generally mean to be as disrespectful as he comes across to his viewers when he criticizes people for their personalities or playstyles. But this doesn't mean it's right for him to constantly talk down to people- I don't care if you're one of the best ever, I think it's always the better move to be respectful and kind. And be respectful and kind enough that the other party actually experiences it that way.

So I wasn't there for the drunk stream, but it sounds like everything that I described that I dislike was more extreme than usual. b4nny wasn't right to say all the things he did, and I don't think many people would disagree with that. Alcohol is also no excuse, everybody should agree with that.

So if you're reading this, b4nny, thank you for the enjoyment from your stream and the help you've given me as a competitive tf2 player. You're your own man but I've always wished you wouldn't speak down to other people as much as you do, and I know I'm not the only one.

If the rest of TFTV has gotten this far without -fragging, yes I'm a b4nny sub. I'm not trying to act like "I'm better than the other b4nny subs, please like me" I just wanted to express my opinion on something I care about. Also, please don't mindlessly judge all b4nny subs just because there are things you (and many others, obviously) don't like about his personality. It doesn't mean his subscribers like everything about him, even if some do. I subscribe because I want to give back for the help, entertainment and relaxation he's given me.

I'd love if everybody was kinder to everybody. Please try. It's worth it.

To start with, I have to say I was asleep while all this was going on so I can't speak to specifics of what happened, but I think it's worth putting my two cents in.

I regularly watch b4nny's stream, often before I sleep because (for me) it's enjoyable and relaxing to watch. I'm fairly new to competitive and watching him play and analyse situations, etc is also very helpful to me and has helped me improve as a player. Granted, I could gain a lot of this from other TF2 streamers, but I'm used to his stream and he has a relatively high quality production because he's fully invested in it as his main means of income, so I watch him stream the most.

However, I've never liked that he calls other players idiots, and generally insults people who he doesn't respect fully as players. It bothers me, and it makes me question what I would have to do be good- if a top invite player is an idiot, what can a player with 1,000 hours possibly do to play well enough to be respected by him? That, I think, is less important though. I think b4nny doesn't generally mean to be as disrespectful as he comes across to his viewers when he criticizes people for their personalities or playstyles. But this doesn't mean it's right for him to constantly talk down to people- I don't care if you're one of the best ever, I think it's always the better move to be respectful and kind. And be respectful and kind enough that the other party actually experiences it that way.

So I wasn't there for the drunk stream, but it sounds like everything that I described that I dislike was more extreme than usual. b4nny wasn't right to say all the things he did, and I don't think many people would disagree with that. Alcohol is also no excuse, everybody should agree with that.

So if you're reading this, b4nny, thank you for the enjoyment from your stream and the help you've given me as a competitive tf2 player. You're your own man but I've always wished you wouldn't speak down to other people as much as you do, and I know I'm not the only one.

If the rest of TFTV has gotten this far without -fragging, yes I'm a b4nny sub. I'm not trying to act like "I'm better than the other b4nny subs, please like me" I just wanted to express my opinion on something I care about. Also, please don't mindlessly judge all b4nny subs just because there are things you (and many others, obviously) don't like about his personality. It doesn't mean his subscribers like everything about him, even if some do. I subscribe because I want to give back for the help, entertainment and relaxation he's given me.

I'd love if everybody was kinder to everybody. Please try. It's worth it.
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#147
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SleepingLifeb4nnyTeams with good results > teams with good friends.
I can't agree with that statement. Personally I'd rather quit the game than hang out with people I hate just because they can do well in a game. Obviously there's a middleground between people you like and people that you can have fun competing with, but just throwing out personalities to play with "the best" is insane unless you're willing to put in the time and effort to get 1st place constantly. There is no economic justification for playing tf2 in comparison to just working any job, even a minimum wage one, so treating this game like a career is absolutely crazy.

What I said doesn't fully apply to you personally b4nny, what with you being in the premier position to become the main streamer of tf2 and the economic support your stream gives you. But to give that advice to anyone else while you know for a fact that they don't have your support network is pretty dumb. For most people 120 hours in 2 weeks is impossible, you can't do that while holding down a job and making time for people in your life that you care about. Simple fact of life that for 99% of the competitive community (let alone the tf2 community) this game is a hobby.

You're taking this quote out of context. The OP (slamberg) is asking a question about how to compete in the most competitive TF2 event in the world. Forming the best team possible requires some effort and sure you'll have to put in some hours to make that happen but if you want to compete with the best then I think you should try to form the best team that you can.

[quote=SleepingLife][quote=b4nny]Teams with good results > teams with good friends. [/quote]

I can't agree with that statement. Personally I'd rather quit the game than hang out with people I hate just because they can do well in a game. Obviously there's a middleground between people you like and people that you can have fun competing with, but just throwing out personalities to play with "the best" is insane unless you're willing to put in the time and effort to get 1st place constantly. There is no economic justification for playing tf2 in comparison to just working any job, even a minimum wage one, so treating this game like a career is absolutely crazy.

What I said doesn't fully apply to you personally b4nny, what with you being in the premier position to become the main streamer of tf2 and the economic support your stream gives you. But to give that advice to anyone else while you know for a fact that they don't have your support network is pretty dumb. For most people 120 hours in 2 weeks is impossible, you can't do that while holding down a job and making time for people in your life that you care about. Simple fact of life that for 99% of the competitive community (let alone the tf2 community) this game is a hobby.[/quote]
You're taking this quote out of context. The OP (slamberg) is asking a question about how to compete in the most competitive TF2 event in the world. Forming the best team possible requires some effort and sure you'll have to put in some hours to make that happen but if you want to compete with the best then I think you should try to form the best team that you can.
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#148
22 Frags +

drunk b4nny = real b4nny

He doesn't hold back his opinions, and everyone can see how the public figure of TF2 does not care about the community. Without TF2, he would still be a nobody on call of duty. He should remember that this community puts food on his table. Calling us "idiots" is disrespectful, and being drunk is not an excuse. He can't acknowledge his mistakes and is cocky as ****. Fine, but stop streaming. He should not represent TF2.

drunk b4nny = real b4nny

He doesn't hold back his opinions, and everyone can see how the public figure of TF2 does not care about the community. Without TF2, he would still be a nobody on call of duty. He should remember that this community puts food on his table. Calling us "idiots" is disrespectful, and being drunk is not an excuse. He can't acknowledge his mistakes and is cocky as ****. Fine, but stop streaming. He should not represent TF2.
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#149
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b4nnyThis is now an AMA thread. I dare you.

Do you use this game to vent some emotional issues that you fail to process irl?

[quote=b4nny]This is now an AMA thread. I dare you.[/quote]
Do you use this game to vent some emotional issues that you fail to process irl?
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#150
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Can someone explain to me what's happening?

Can someone explain to me what's happening?
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