What you mean is AGI, which is quite different from what we have now. I wouldn't disagree, but I believe if we ever reach AGI the intelligence can decide for itself wether or not it considers its labor slavery or not. However comparing the current state of models, which are just very good "predictors", to slavery is extremely tone deaf. I would wish you, and everyone else that shares that opinion, would reconsider it. Not for the sake of pro-AI, but because it is extremely tactless.

My stance on the selfish nature stems exclusively from real life experience. Alternatively just look at this thread, how many people here would even reply if upfrags wasn't a feature? The average person drops their values when no one is around to bear witness to practicing them. Just look at some of the people here that lash out emotionally as if a differing opinion on this topic is somehow a personal attack. You telling me they are not inherently selfish?

As for the rest, I don't disagree with you.

No shame in that. I do believe exchange with people that have different opinions can be healthy to the mind, as long as you don't let them get to you emotionally just because their stance differs from yours. Some people in this thread don't have to mental capacity for that, unfortunately.

Please explain in detail how using chatGPT is equivalent to child workers working physically, 12 hours, for chump change, in asia?
This changing society take is not nihilism. Either nothing has changed so far because people hold no power or they do but are fine with their circumstances. I wish things were different as well. But don't pretend we genuinely have any say in what's going on. Ever since epstein it's quite obvious that the demonic goblins at the top realized they can do whatever the fuck they want.

If your takeaway from me questioning this slavery comparison is that I'm trivializing slave labor you genuinely need to get your head checked out. Insanely privileged first world take to put AI exploitation on the same level. No surprise there from people like you tbh

Ran out of energy? From what? You haven't contributed anything so far. Now gay is an insult? Miss me with your performative progressivism. So don't talk about human soul you cretin, how often do you walk past a beggar on the street?

You can't play the "we are not in an industry we are in a forum for a niche game" card and then also advocate for talking about the negative aspects of this technology that reach far beyond this niche game. I haven't heard an actual good reason against going 1984 on these TF2 AI projects. A vast majority of what you mentioned doesn't affect TF2 in the slightest. Feel free to tell me what kind of impact these AI slop projects have on the game itself to warrant having the same negative reaction to it as if a multi billion company just released a vibecoded product they're trying to sell you. The reality is even a good chunk of players probably don't care, so there would be no point in trying to educate people on stuff like general AI ethics when often they don't even apply to some dude making a AI TF2 project in his free time.

I refuse to believe this is an actual take. The implication is that people are actively checking the "projects" section after work, which is obviously not true. On top of that there is a feature to unsubscribe from specific sections of this forum. Projects wouldn't even get any traffic at all if they didn't show up in recent discussion for everyone. Just filter it out if it bothers you, it's the only forum section with AI content.

No, they were hated in the beginning and got more popular over time. You think the average joe could afford a car in during that time? Anyway the point being is that you can't stop progress. All this talk about artisan craftsmanship, intellectual theft, ethics, etc. is very noble, but ultimately pointless. The fight is already over. This is why I'm saying learn to work with it. You are gonna get left behind. Your employer only cares about money, your customers only want a working product. Nobody ever cared about the code under the hood being an amalgamation of the worst programming warcrimes known to mankind. So nothing has changed realistically. You are actively worsening your own mental by trying to maintain some sort of principles regarding AI when nobody else in real life does. I'm quite fond of people pushing back against companies that try to integrate AI content, however this ONLY ever happens online.

Yes they do and yes the consumer couldn't care less.
Also AI is hardly comparable to slave labour. You can't tell me Nike using AI content would be the same as Nike utilizing bangladeshi children to produce cheap sneakers. Also, you are aware that these regulations exist but they only ever get enforced if they get caught, right? And even then they get a slap on the wrist with an arbitrary fine. These regulations exist to appease you, the big companies don't give a fuck about them. On top of that the consumer doesn't care about any of that either. People only speak up if it goes viral so they can feel good about themselves, just to order $200 worth of temu the next day. I don't really see how AI has lowered peoples working conditions anyway? Maybe the expectation for accelerated productivity. But surely you don't believe that a system built on always increasing the bottom line will ever regulate that part, right?

This is why I advise that people need to learn to work with it. One of the rare positive aspects of this whole bullshit is that the level of competition is declining rapidly. Because for whatever reason people can only think of two possible ways: 0% AI used or 100% AI used. You rarely hear from people that use it as an addition, as a tool to accelerate their workflow for example. If you manage to use it to enhance your efficiency you are probably already better than 80% of the current workforce. If your only value is to be the meat proxy you already lost. I agree it's annoying that a field you had passion for got sloppified, but to be completely honest your employer didn't ever give a fuck about that anyway. Anybody that actually turned a hobby into a job knows that it is absolutely miserable and kills any passion you have for it.

I'm not a big fan of AI myself but MightyMe is completely correct in that regard. I believe you are being denialist if you argue his point. Pretty much every industry has adopted the use of AI. It's faster, it's cheaper and the biggest factor is that the average joe doesn't care what kind of vibecoded mess lies under the hood, as long as the product itself works for the intended use. They simply don't. I'm sick and tired of seeing those same chatGPT posters advertising events or restaurant menus. Unfortunately that is the way things are. We can talk about philosophical or psychological aspects all day long but it won't change the general publics sentiment towards AI. This is just cars replacing horses all over again. If your breadwinning is affected by AI you better learn to work with it, it's only gonna get worse. Closing your eyes and singing to yourself won't change the fact that this bullshit is here to stay.

As for the vibecoding projects ban, there should be clear rules to it. I'd disagree to ban every project with AI code outright. I believe projects that serve a clear, useful purpose should stay, as they might've not existed in the first place without AI.
So a good example is this: https://www.teamfortress.tv/66710/tf2-demo-salvage

A good counterexample for something that is lowkey nonsensical but was only made because of AI is this: https://www.teamfortress.tv/66658/im-building-tf2-in-rust-and-javascript-in-the-brow
Nobody would even tackle that project without AI, there is just no reason to.

The discourse around it is so odd. So for example some guy goes into psychosis in the protfx thread and says he wants to cut Coppers head off with a sword because he used AI. It's puzzling because this isn't even a case of "Oh this only exists because of AI", Copper has been making pug sites long before vibecoding was a thing. So obviously he could be coding it himself entirely, but why? It's a free service to the community and he saved a lot of his own free time. He technically even invested money into it if he used tokens. The implication here is that you absolutely need to suffer long, grueling hours making it completely per hand for the community. Only then we might just consider the project. Take shortcuts and we will fucking murder you

That's the thing. You can just choose to ignore slop projects. If you believe the "creator" is doing it for clout, the best course of action would be to just completely ignore it instead of giving it any form of attention.

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PickupMafia has made the decision to no longer attend Überfest. This stems from a recent controversial ruling by the organizers, despite the decision having no direct effect on our group. After reflection, we determined it was best to withdraw voluntarily from future events.

Safe to say mandem would have smoked froyotech

https://www.twitch.tv/b4nny/clip/PopularBusyCougarCharlietheUnicorn-y8ka2ragSIFBxXp6

Sniper definitely. People actively run it outside of last. The class has such a big presence regardless of how good the player is that both teams are forced to adjust their entire game around it

Activity is definitely the deciding factor. There is always a snowball effect going on where prem players increase the amount of other prem players (who want to play high level pugs) and "normal" players (who want to play against the prem players). When the regulars who usually get the pugs going stop playing it will lead to the discord/site slowly fading into obscurity. We just don't have enough players at the top to have them going 24/7

this looks like ass

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I think I've been playing the wrong granary or something

https://clips.twitch.tv/BetterSpookyMomDoritosChip-zGem_zNLuZ3zH_D_

Reminder this is exactly what happened with bagel at prem level - the majority were not happy with the addition of the map and quickly dismissed the idea of playing it. Fast forward to today and plays differently to product in a positive way plus it fills the long due 2nd koth map slot. I think it's safe to say most don't mind playing it at the very least.

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