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All time best player per role in the world?
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All time best player per role in the world?

probably only those who followed the competitive tf2 scene from early days till today in multiple regions are the ones who can answer the question reliably and without being biased

name only 1 player per role and mention their region

it is not about achievements in the competitive scene. it is about invidual player skill level. aim + movement = DM skill. DM skill + game knowledge/game sense = player skill.

according to what i gathered on the internet when doing my research:
flank scout: clockwork from NA or maybe quad from EU cos of his aimbot like aim in his prime
pocket scout: dunno
roamer soldier: seagull from NA
pocket soldier: TLR from NA
demoman: numlocked from EU(i do not know kaidus so i culd not compare their gameplay and DM skill to each other)
medic: shade from NA
dunno about other classes and "fill roles/players"

i do not know the fresh blood cos i was inactive for years

i am here to gather information and to catch up cos i think it is a fun topic

i am sure there are at least people who followed NA and EU pro scene

there are tales about some nobodies outperforming, out damaging everybody in lans then disappearing from the scene i wuld like to know their names. for example i remember that in insomnia stats were checked to highlight dark hors players even if they did not play in the best teams so they culd not become famous. tf2 is a teamgame after all.

dunno where is the best place to ask stuff about this topic

i also wonder which team is the all time best in the world and who is the all time number 1 player in the world so u can tell me that too seperately if u know it or can guess it

did competitive tf2 scene skill lvl dropped or the meta evolved over the years compared to the past?

i hope the tf2 community has some historians here who can know the answer or guess it :D

i also wonder, what games did retired players switched to? not many games are similar to tf2

All time best player per role in the world?

probably only those who followed the competitive tf2 scene from early days till today in multiple regions are the ones who can answer the question reliably and without being biased

name only 1 player per role and mention their region

it is not about achievements in the competitive scene. it is about invidual player skill level. aim + movement = DM skill. DM skill + game knowledge/game sense = player skill.

according to what i gathered on the internet when doing my research:
flank scout: clockwork from NA or maybe quad from EU cos of his aimbot like aim in his prime
pocket scout: dunno
roamer soldier: seagull from NA
pocket soldier: TLR from NA
demoman: numlocked from EU(i do not know kaidus so i culd not compare their gameplay and DM skill to each other)
medic: shade from NA
dunno about other classes and "fill roles/players"

i do not know the fresh blood cos i was inactive for years

i am here to gather information and to catch up cos i think it is a fun topic

i am sure there are at least people who followed NA and EU pro scene

there are tales about some nobodies outperforming, out damaging everybody in lans then disappearing from the scene i wuld like to know their names. for example i remember that in insomnia stats were checked to highlight dark hors players even if they did not play in the best teams so they culd not become famous. tf2 is a teamgame after all.

dunno where is the best place to ask stuff about this topic

i also wonder which team is the all time best in the world and who is the all time number 1 player in the world so u can tell me that too seperately if u know it or can guess it

did competitive tf2 scene skill lvl dropped or the meta evolved over the years compared to the past?

i hope the tf2 community has some historians here who can know the answer or guess it :D

i also wonder, what games did retired players switched to? not many games are similar to tf2
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#2
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B4nny!!!! (scout/combo scout)
Mike probably on soldier, either role really
habib demo

rest is hard to tell

B4nny!!!! (scout/combo scout)
Mike probably on soldier, either role really
habib demo

rest is hard to tell
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#3
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what makes mike and habib different or better than the others?

what makes mike and habib different or better than the others?
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#4
59 Frags +
Nufiwhat makes mike and habib different or better than the others?

they were a lot better at tf2

[quote=Nufi]what makes mike and habib different or better than the others?[/quote]
they were a lot better at tf2
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#5
-18 Frags +

Clockwork
There are many pocket scouts but I’d pick cyzer #1
Blaze
Mike
b4nny
Shade/Harbleu

It is about achievements as well as DM+game sense. I’m not gonna put someone who’s never played in grand finals above someone who has.

p.s b4nny is the best pocket scout ever but I picked someone else for variety

Clockwork
There are many pocket scouts but I’d pick cyzer #1
Blaze
Mike
b4nny
Shade/Harbleu

It is about achievements as well as DM+game sense. I’m not gonna put someone who’s never played in grand finals above someone who has.

p.s b4nny is the best pocket scout ever but I picked someone else for variety
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#6
-25 Frags +

Domo, Papi, Silentes, Ixy, Toemas, Mula

And it's not up for debate

Domo, Papi, Silentes, Ixy, Toemas, Mula


And it's not up for debate
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#7
6 Frags +

b4nny pscout and habib demo are the only players for whom you can't really argue their place on this list. When it comes to the other positions there are honestly a bunch of answers that are all fine. Just depends on how much you value legacy vs the level the game has been pushed to in the last few years. The newer guys are cracked even if some of the candidates don't have double digit championships/ lans.

b4nny pscout and habib demo are the only players for whom you can't really argue their place on this list. When it comes to the other positions there are honestly a bunch of answers that are all fine. Just depends on how much you value legacy vs the level the game has been pushed to in the last few years. The newer guys are cracked even if some of the candidates don't have double digit championships/ lans.
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#8
12 Frags +

everyone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence

everyone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence
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#9
24 Frags +
Wandumeveryone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence

i love my boy papi but greatest eu team leader of all time? kaidus has a legacy of merely playtime that spanned a decade up until 2019, on top of the work hes done for wG. kaidus is eu.

[quote=Wandum]everyone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence[/quote] i love my boy papi but greatest eu team leader of [i]all time[/i]? kaidus has a legacy of merely playtime that spanned a decade up until 2019, on top of the work hes done for wG. kaidus [i]is[/i] eu.
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#10
-8 Frags +

Scout- Jay/Clockwork/B4nny
Soldier- Jay/Mike/Blaze
Demo- Habib
Med- Shade
Sniper- Sheep or Mackey vs Harbleu on lan
The other offclasses- Mackey simply for how fun it was to watch

Scout- Jay/Clockwork/B4nny
Soldier- Jay/Mike/Blaze
Demo- Habib
Med- Shade
Sniper- Sheep or Mackey vs Harbleu on lan
The other offclasses- Mackey simply for how fun it was to watch
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#11
13 Frags +
Azazel-Domo, Papi, Silentes, Ixy, Toemas, Mula

And it's not up for debate

the euros are an entire ocean away, they cant hurt you

[quote=Azazel-]Domo, Papi, Silentes, Ixy, Toemas, Mula


And it's not up for debate[/quote]
the euros are an entire ocean away, they cant hurt you
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#12
9 Frags +
klassyWandumeveryone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence
i love my boy papi but greatest eu team leader of all time? kaidus has a legacy of merely playtime that spanned a decade up until 2019, on top of the work hes done for wG. kaidus is eu.

i'd tend to agree, but if you compare the ammount of seasons won (when playing) papi is currently only a single season behind kaidus

https://i.imgur.com/e5gTTbO.png

the main difference comes from lan wins and seasons spent coaching
the argument is probably a lot more compelling for second best, i honestly dont really know who else you compare him to at that point, maybe knoxx?

[quote=klassy][quote=Wandum]everyone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence[/quote] i love my boy papi but greatest eu team leader of [i]all time[/i]? kaidus has a legacy of merely playtime that spanned a decade up until 2019, on top of the work hes done for wG. kaidus [i]is[/i] eu.[/quote]
i'd tend to agree, but if you compare the ammount of seasons won (when playing) papi is currently only a single season behind kaidus
[img]https://i.imgur.com/e5gTTbO.png[/img]
the main difference comes from lan wins and seasons spent coaching
the argument is probably a lot more compelling for second best, i honestly dont really know who else you compare him to at that point, maybe knoxx?
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#13
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WandumklassyWandumeveryone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence
i love my boy papi but greatest eu team leader of all time? kaidus has a legacy of merely playtime that spanned a decade up until 2019, on top of the work hes done for wG. kaidus is eu.
i'd tend to agree, but if you compare the ammount of seasons won (when playing) papi is currently only a single season behind kaidus
https://i.imgur.com/e5gTTbO.png
the main difference comes from lan wins and seasons spent coaching
the argument is probably a lot more compelling for second best, i honestly dont really know who else you compare him to at that point, maybe knoxx?

If we're counting eu only lans, or what liquipedia classes as "b-tier" lans, shouldnt kaidus' results also include Dreamhack Winter 2015?

[quote=Wandum][quote=klassy][quote=Wandum]everyone always talks about mike when it comes to eu soldiers but i honestly think that there is an argument for both kaptain and silentes having a better resume and (because they played more modern tf2) better gameplay
with this season and lan victory i think papi genuinely enters the conversation as one of if not the greatest eu team leader of all time
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence[/quote] i love my boy papi but greatest eu team leader of [i]all time[/i]? kaidus has a legacy of merely playtime that spanned a decade up until 2019, on top of the work hes done for wG. kaidus [i]is[/i] eu.[/quote]
i'd tend to agree, but if you compare the ammount of seasons won (when playing) papi is currently only a single season behind kaidus
[img]https://i.imgur.com/e5gTTbO.png[/img]
the main difference comes from lan wins and seasons spent coaching
the argument is probably a lot more compelling for second best, i honestly dont really know who else you compare him to at that point, maybe knoxx?[/quote] If we're counting eu only lans, or what liquipedia classes as "b-tier" lans, shouldnt kaidus' results also include Dreamhack Winter 2015?
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#14
0 Frags +

i dont watch streams for a long time but im completely habib pilled
he is going down as the best demo of all time

i dont watch streams for a long time but im completely habib pilled
he is going down as the best demo of all time
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#15
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Grape owns the old school shotgun pocket category, don’t care if the meta changed, that man was a damn monster.

Grape owns the old school shotgun pocket category, don’t care if the meta changed, that man was a damn monster.
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#16
-10 Frags +

me on every class

me on every class
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#17
-1 Frags +
enthrowb4nny pscout and habib demo are the only players for whom you can't really argue their place on this list. When it comes to the other positions there are honestly a bunch of answers that are all fine. Just depends on how much you value legacy vs the level the game has been pushed to in the last few years. The newer guys are cracked even if some of the candidates don't have double digit championships/ lans.

who are these better, newer players?

[quote=enthrow]b4nny pscout and habib demo are the only players for whom you can't really argue their place on this list. When it comes to the other positions there are honestly a bunch of answers that are all fine. Just depends on how much you value legacy vs the level the game has been pushed to in the last few years. The newer guys are cracked even if some of the candidates don't have double digit championships/ lans.[/quote]

who are these better, newer players?
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#18
13 Frags +

It's a shame that we've not been able to see any more of the AU scene on the international stage because elmo/cookie/sam/riot/hertz/redcoat/termo/yuki/others are/were insane at the game but have been contained to the AU/SEA scene almost entirely.

It's a shame that we've not been able to see any more of the AU scene on the international stage because elmo/cookie/sam/riot/hertz/redcoat/termo/yuki/others are/were insane at the game but have been contained to the AU/SEA scene almost entirely.
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#19
0 Frags +
Wandumi'd tend to agree, but if you compare the amount of seasons won (when playing) papi is currently only a single season behind kaidus
https://i.imgur.com/e5gTTbO.png

You memoryholed season 9, 33 and cpg18 on behalf of kaidus
I'm gonna memoryhole all the dogshit spring&winter insomnias like i47 and i50

[quote=Wandum]i'd tend to agree, but if you compare the amount of seasons won (when playing) papi is currently only a single season behind kaidus
[img]https://i.imgur.com/e5gTTbO.png[/img][/quote]
You memoryholed season 9, 33 and cpg18 on behalf of kaidus
I'm gonna memoryhole all the dogshit spring&winter insomnias like i47 and i50
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#20
19 Frags +
Wandumimo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence

marmaloo+mirrorman does not compare to blaze+yomps or blaze+b4nny

[quote=Wandum]
imo the marmaloo + mirrorman soldier combo of 2022 froyo is the greatest soldier duo of all time, everyone talks about jay scout and forgets how absolutely fucking insane mirrorman and marmaloo were at dictating the entirity of the froyo offence[/quote]
marmaloo+mirrorman does not compare to blaze+yomps or blaze+b4nny
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#21
0 Frags +

jay for every role

jay for every role
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#22
7 Frags +

clock f scout is not debatable

clock f scout is not debatable
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#23
11 Frags +
_KermitIt's a shame that we've not been able to see any more of the AU scene on the international stage because elmo/cookie/sam/riot/hertz/redcoat/termo/yuki/others are/were insane at the game but have been contained to the AU/SEA scene almost entirely.

my memory is vague, but didn't jasmine attend an iseries and a rewind lan and get 3rd both times? they were obviously insanely good but i think making any goat arguments for them is difficult

[quote=_Kermit]It's a shame that we've not been able to see any more of the AU scene on the international stage because elmo/cookie/sam/riot/hertz/redcoat/termo/yuki/others are/were insane at the game but have been contained to the AU/SEA scene almost entirely.[/quote]

my memory is vague, but didn't jasmine attend an iseries and a rewind lan and get 3rd both times? they were obviously insanely good but i think making any goat arguments for them is difficult
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#24
0 Frags +

Surprised no one has mentioned Raymon yet. Unreal mechanics and consistency on the medicinal class

Surprised no one has mentioned Raymon yet. Unreal mechanics and consistency on the medicinal class
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#25
-4 Frags +

kaptain is the best soldier no one else comes close

kaptain is the best soldier no one else comes close
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#26
-5 Frags +
BrockGrape owns the old school shotgun pocket category, don’t care if the meta changed, that man was a damn monster.

yomps.

[quote=Brock][i]Grape [b]owns[/b] the old school shotgun pocket category, don’t care if the meta changed, that man was a damn monster.[/i][/quote]
yomps.
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#27
5 Frags +

peak schocky was the only one that can compare to clockwork.

numlocked was not even the best demoman in EU when Epsilon was dominant imo. He played his role well as a non-carry demo and he was elite, but not the best.

peak schocky was the only one that can compare to clockwork.

numlocked was not even the best demoman in EU when Epsilon was dominant imo. He played his role well as a non-carry demo and he was elite, but not the best.
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#28
15 Frags +

F. Scout: yomps/clock/jay
P. Scout: b4nny
Roamer: blaze/mike
Pocket: kaptain/yomps/jay
Demo: habib
Med: shade/raymon

It’s down to your opinion which of the options you pick for some of these since the candidates span many years and eras so its impossible to compare them objectively. Depending on how the next international lan goes some new players might be in the conversation.

F. Scout: yomps/clock/jay
P. Scout: b4nny
Roamer: blaze/mike
Pocket: kaptain/yomps/jay
Demo: habib
Med: shade/raymon

It’s down to your opinion which of the options you pick for some of these since the candidates span many years and eras so its impossible to compare them objectively. Depending on how the next international lan goes some new players might be in the conversation.
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#29
-3 Frags +

Sniper: Jukebox

Sniper: Jukebox
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#30
-20 Frags +

flank scout: clockwork/yomps
combo scout: b4nny (no argument at all)
roamer: blaze/marmaloo
pocket: jay/kaptain/yomps
demo: habib (no argument at all)
medic: shade/REDACTED

flank scout: clockwork/yomps
combo scout: b4nny (no argument at all)
roamer: blaze/marmaloo
pocket: jay/kaptain/yomps
demo: habib (no argument at all)
medic: shade/REDACTED
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