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RGL Ringer Fees
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#1
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ENOUGH.

ENOUGH.
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#2
56 Frags +

fuck rgl

fuck rgl
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#3
9 Frags +

Also please don’t let us ring up a ticket on your discord if you can’t fix a bug on our profiles, a small fix, that is still taking over a month to even figure out.

Also please don’t let us ring up a ticket on your discord if you can’t fix a bug on our profiles, a small fix, that is still taking over a month to even figure out.
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#4
tf2pickup.org
13 Frags +

lol NA shenanigans

lol NA shenanigans
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#5
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i want my 1.5 points back!

i want my 1.5 points back!
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#6
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Moisti want my 1.5 points back!

*i dont wanna play againts dogo! hes toxic! whoops! still took an L againts a ringer offclassing on a map literally on par with ammomod!*

https://media2.giphy.com/media/HOmEjR4AK4BUxdD77x/giphy.gif

@wxy who got, 20 bucks for pizza.

yea, I should pay for a ringer, not the league for using one.

[quote=Moist]i want my 1.5 points back![/quote]

*i dont wanna play againts dogo! hes toxic! whoops! still took an L againts a ringer offclassing on a map literally on par with ammomod!*
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@wxy who got, 20 bucks for pizza.

yea, I should pay for a ringer, not the league for using one.
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#7
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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/918038023541583664/ACF1C3B16AA263FFF613B4847DB2D40FCBE6ED53/

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#8
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"I know you don't have time for a team and said you were done with this game, but since you're agreeing to ring as an old friend, can you pay $20 every time you play? :)"

"I know you don't have time for a team and said you were done with this game, but since you're agreeing to ring as an old friend, can you pay $20 every time you play? :)"
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#9
18 Frags +
FactsMachine"I know you don't have time for a team and said you were done with this game, but since you're agreeing to ring as an old friend, can you pay $20 every time you play? :)"

Do people make ringers pay for themselves? Every team I've been on has paid for the ringer to play with us.

[quote=FactsMachine]"I know you don't have time for a team and said you were done with this game, but since you're agreeing to ring as an old friend, can you pay $20 every time you play? :)"[/quote]

Do people make ringers pay for themselves? Every team I've been on has paid for the ringer to play with us.
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#10
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It kind of depends. If they offer to pay they can pay; otherwise we pay for them

It kind of depends. If they offer to pay they can pay; otherwise we pay for them
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#11
64 Frags +

if rgl provided servers or any sort of product i could understand it but otherwise who the fuck cares its a community league, dont make people pay every single time there's a ringer lol

if rgl provided servers or any sort of product i could understand it but otherwise who the fuck cares its a community league, dont make people pay every single time there's a ringer lol
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#12
49 Frags +

We lost all of our prize money for ringing 2 players in playoffs for 1 match where we had a banned player and the other one's internet was out for the week.

https://i.gyazo.com/c27d2fc9243cc7071323fd9295c18184.png

We lost all of our prize money for ringing 2 players in playoffs for 1 match where we had a banned player and the other one's internet was out for the week.

[img]https://i.gyazo.com/c27d2fc9243cc7071323fd9295c18184.png[/img]
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#13
32 Frags +

If you keep signing up to play nothing changes. Vote with your wallet.

Its a shame we could never port over an equivalent to ETF2L in NA.

If you keep signing up to play nothing changes. Vote with your wallet.

Its a shame we could never port over an equivalent to ETF2L in NA.
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#14
57 Frags +

why did we let highlander players control the 6s scene

why did we let highlander players control the 6s scene
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#15
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illyawhy did we let highlander players control the 6s scene

HL probably gets fucked by this policy even more cause they play a gamemode where u have to coordinate 18 ppl into one server

[quote=illya]why did we let highlander players control the 6s scene[/quote]
HL probably gets fucked by this policy even more cause they play a gamemode where u have to coordinate 18 ppl into one server
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#16
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knsumeillyawhy did we let highlander players control the 6s sceneHL probably gets fucked by this policy even more cause they play a gamemode where u have to coordinate 18 ppl into one server

in hl only invite has a pay to play and its just the make a team fee also ringers are free

[quote=knsume][quote=illya]why did we let highlander players control the 6s scene[/quote]
HL probably gets fucked by this policy even more cause they play a gamemode where u have to coordinate 18 ppl into one server[/quote]
in hl only invite has a pay to play and its just the make a team fee also ringers are free
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#17
23 Frags +

I'm just generally tired of paying any money to rgl, even if it goes towards the prize pool id rather not spend anything, even if that were to mean the elimination of the prize pool. I just want to have fun, its understandable rgl needs revenue to continue operating so ig its alright, its just tiring when you want to play the game without paying, but you just get restricted from any class you enjoy if you try to drop down from invite.

Also don't want to pay any money to rgl cause they suck.
and hl uses team fees so this is redundant

I'm just generally tired of paying any money to rgl, even if it goes towards the prize pool id rather not spend anything, even if that were to mean the elimination of the prize pool. I just want to have fun, its understandable rgl needs revenue to continue operating so ig its alright, its just tiring when you want to play the game without paying, but you just get restricted from any class you enjoy if you try to drop down from invite.

Also don't want to pay any money to rgl cause they suck.
and hl uses team fees so this is redundant
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#18
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TWENTY DOLLARS????

TWENTY DOLLARS????
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#19
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Moistknsumeillyawhy did we let highlander players control the 6s sceneHL probably gets fucked by this policy even more cause they play a gamemode where u have to coordinate 18 ppl into one serverin hl only invite has a pay to play and its just the make a team fee also ringers are free

thats incredible they're literally just making us pay a 6s tax then

no wonder every hl match has like 3 ringers they dont have to front extortion fees to play for 1 game

[quote=Moist][quote=knsume][quote=illya]why did we let highlander players control the 6s scene[/quote]
HL probably gets fucked by this policy even more cause they play a gamemode where u have to coordinate 18 ppl into one server[/quote]
in hl only invite has a pay to play and its just the make a team fee also ringers are free[/quote]
thats incredible they're literally just making us pay a 6s tax then

no wonder every hl match has like 3 ringers they dont have to front extortion fees to play for 1 game
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#20
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zx37TWENTY DOLLARS????

1 time match fee is 5 dollars but it is still pretty unnecessary

[quote=zx37]TWENTY DOLLARS????[/quote]
1 time match fee is [b]5[/b] dollars but it is still pretty unnecessary
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#21
11 Frags +

I'd rather not pay anything to rgl unless they plan to run the league sanely and we know that's not going to happen
probably just going back to pubbing after this season, but unironically if UGC was going to open up voluntary crowd funding of prize pools I'd probably be up to pay into UGC just to have something that isn't RGL.

I'd rather not pay anything to rgl unless they plan to run the league sanely and we know that's not going to happen
probably just going back to pubbing after this season, but unironically if UGC was going to open up voluntary crowd funding of prize pools I'd probably be up to pay into UGC just to have something that isn't RGL.
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#22
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at the end of the day what are we actually paying a bunch of money for? rgl doesnt even provide servers for the players. ur telling me that the league, that is ran by volunteers who dont get paid, wont provide a server for matches but charges players to ring. fuck man for 7 bucks I can get 3 months of serveme premium and have a scrim only team play. i would get rid of the prize pool if thats all everyone's money is going towards since most teams that get the prize money dont care because its usually a small amount per player. let alone you have to pay 5 dollars to let a ringer play for one match. this shit startin to get annoying tbh.

at the end of the day what are we actually paying a bunch of money for? rgl doesnt even provide servers for the players. ur telling me that the league, that is ran by volunteers who dont get paid, wont provide a server for matches but charges players to ring. fuck man for 7 bucks I can get 3 months of serveme premium and have a scrim only team play. i would get rid of the prize pool if thats all everyone's money is going towards since most teams that get the prize money dont care because its usually a small amount per player. let alone you have to pay 5 dollars to let a ringer play for one match. this shit startin to get annoying tbh.
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#23
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im pretty sure people who have already paid league fees for the div don't need to pay a ringer fee.

edit: found this in the rules "If a ringer is playing for a match inside of a division with a league fee, a one-time ringer fee must be paid, or the ringer must have paid league fees for that season and format."

So it's not as bad as I imagined, and there's no fee for the free divs, but it's still silly. I can't really remember how ESEA handled ringers, or if they were allowed, but I assume you needed to be a premium member to play in officials. Seems like the only way you've ever been able to play for free in NA is in UGC

im pretty sure people who have already paid league fees for the div don't need to pay a ringer fee.

[b]edit[/b]: found this in the rules [i]"If a ringer is playing for a match inside of a division with a league fee, a one-time ringer fee must be paid, or the ringer must have paid league fees for that season and format."
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So it's not as bad as I imagined, and there's no fee for the free divs, but it's still silly. I can't really remember how ESEA handled ringers, or if they were allowed, but I assume you needed to be a premium member to play in officials. Seems like the only way you've ever been able to play for free in NA is in UGC
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#24
payload.tf
1 Frags +

Everyone here who complains about RGL decisions but decides to continue and pay and play are part of the problem. If you don't like it, don't pay and start playing pugscrims or scrim-only teams if you say you don't care about the money.

Everyone here who complains about RGL decisions but decides to continue and pay and play are part of the problem. If you don't like it, don't pay and start playing pugscrims or scrim-only teams if you say you don't care about the money.
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#25
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brick_at the end of the day what are we actually paying a bunch of money for? rgl doesnt even provide servers for the players. ur telling me that the league, that is ran by volunteers who dont get paid, wont provide a server for matches but charges players to ring. fuck man for 7 bucks I can get 3 months of serveme premium and have a scrim only team play. i would get rid of the prize pool if thats all everyone's money is going towards since most teams that get the prize money dont care because its usually a small amount per player. let alone you have to pay 5 dollars to let a ringer play for one match. this shit startin to get annoying tbh.

wasn't there originally some promise that RGL would give a fuck about competitive integrity and handle sandbagging better than esea or ugc and then literally nothing happened with that and we have cheaters taking even longer to get banned than in esea because there is no anticheat and RGL is unwilling to force server providers to install even a reporting-only anticheat feeding into a discord channel as a suspicious tick farm so that evidence can be gathered efficiently and actionably and silently even without reports to be "rgl-approved" for matches?
Even if RGL isn't willing to make good decisions, listen to feedback, have reasonable rules, not fuck over the best casters in the scene like they did to Bowl for HL and Aim and probably others we didn't hear so much about, and aren't willing to be consistent on handling sandbaggers couldn't they at least try not to be a complete anticheat downgrade too?

Admins obviously can't follow their own rules with shit like Exa having been using metal footsteps and the whole situation where Dimento got clowned on in regards to River so that the ban was so delayed that they fucked over not just one playoffs, but two!

The only value proposition RGL really offers isn't even streams because the tftv guys are good too(still respect the dolphin though), but that a prize pool exists, and that doesn't matter to most people. Honestly, why even participate in RGL? If IM and Main and adv players quit en masse the league simply dies, and maybe another league will realize a prize pool is all it takes and crowdfund one.

To some extent I am tired out of my mind, my eyes are strained so I'm seeing words vertically double like shadows, and I am pretty sure I am 1am schizoposting, but chances are I said at least something worthwhile by accident here.

[quote=brick_]at the end of the day what are we actually paying a bunch of money for? rgl doesnt even provide servers for the players. ur telling me that the league, that is ran by volunteers who dont get paid, wont provide a server for matches but charges players to ring. fuck man for 7 bucks I can get 3 months of serveme premium and have a scrim only team play. i would get rid of the prize pool if thats all everyone's money is going towards since most teams that get the prize money dont care because its usually a small amount per player. let alone you have to pay 5 dollars to let a ringer play for one match. this shit startin to get annoying tbh.[/quote]
wasn't there originally some promise that RGL would give a fuck about competitive integrity and handle sandbagging better than esea or ugc and then literally nothing happened with that and we have cheaters taking even longer to get banned than in esea because there is no anticheat and RGL is unwilling to force server providers to install even a reporting-only anticheat feeding into a discord channel as a suspicious tick farm so that evidence can be gathered efficiently and actionably and silently even without reports to be "rgl-approved" for matches?
Even if RGL isn't willing to make good decisions, listen to feedback, have reasonable rules, not fuck over the best casters in the scene like they did to Bowl for HL and Aim and probably others we didn't hear so much about, and aren't willing to be consistent on handling sandbaggers couldn't they at least try not to be a complete anticheat downgrade too?

Admins obviously can't follow their own rules with shit like Exa having been using metal footsteps and the whole situation where Dimento got clowned on in regards to River so that the ban was so delayed that they fucked over not just one playoffs, but two!

The only value proposition RGL really offers isn't even streams because the tftv guys are good too(still respect the dolphin though), but that a prize pool exists, and that doesn't matter to most people. Honestly, why even participate in RGL? If IM and Main and adv players quit en masse the league simply dies, and maybe another league will realize a prize pool is all it takes and crowdfund one.

To some extent I am tired out of my mind, my eyes are strained so I'm seeing words vertically double like shadows, and I am pretty sure I am 1am schizoposting, but chances are I said at least something worthwhile by accident here.
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#26
21 Frags +
sunderkeenintext

Ok, but you forgot that b4nny is holding the entire scene hostage and TF2 will instantly die if you don't play in the same league as b4nny.
Don't ask me, I don't understand it either, I'm not american.

[quote=sunderkeenin]text[/quote]
Ok, but you forgot that b4nny is holding the entire scene hostage and TF2 will instantly die if you don't play in the same league as b4nny.
Don't ask me, I don't understand it either, I'm not american.
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#27
19 Frags +

Is there a reason that NA teams don't just sign up to UGC 6s? Like you can just treat the officials as scrims or not show up, but best case you get a free replacement league, am I missing something there?

Is there a reason that NA teams don't just sign up to UGC 6s? Like you can just treat the officials as scrims or not show up, but best case you get a free replacement league, am I missing something there?
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#28
-10 Frags +
24Everyone here who complains about RGL decisions but decides to continue and pay and play are part of the problem. If you don't like it, don't pay and start playing pugscrims or scrim-only teams if you say you don't care about the money.

Am i the only one who has legitimately done this? Cause i stopped playing competitive tf2 due to their existence in general being known in my opinion as people who make bad decisions and dont even follow their own policies. Which makes my autism look like its just playing a card game while their problem makes them look like their vomiting drugs

[quote=24]Everyone here who complains about RGL decisions but decides to continue and pay and play are part of the problem. If you don't like it, don't pay and start playing pugscrims or scrim-only teams if you say you don't care about the money.[/quote]
Am i the only one who has legitimately done this? Cause i stopped playing competitive tf2 due to their existence in general being known in my opinion as people who make bad decisions and dont even follow their own policies. Which makes my autism look like its just playing a card game while their problem makes them look like their vomiting drugs
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#29
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scrambledIs there a reason that NA teams don't just sign up to UGC 6s? Like you can just treat the officials as scrims or not show up, but best case you get a free replacement league, am I missing something there?

Majority of the competition is in RGL, you have a handful of friend teams playing plat ranging from low main to high adv, invite. Then you got steel I think? The skill level isn’t very well distributed. They would need a lot of teams coming back to bring back all the old div’s to solve that.

[quote=scrambled]Is there a reason that NA teams don't just sign up to UGC 6s? Like you can just treat the officials as scrims or not show up, but best case you get a free replacement league, am I missing something there?[/quote]

Majority of the competition is in RGL, you have a handful of friend teams playing plat ranging from low main to high adv, invite. Then you got steel I think? The skill level isn’t very well distributed. They would need a lot of teams coming back to bring back all the old div’s to solve that.
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#30
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rolfl (rolling on le floor laughing)

rolfl (rolling on le floor laughing)
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