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#31
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daybraekThe mostly unrecognized downside of iron bomber is how the shorter fuse time limits longer spam angles on certain maps. Although I definitely run iron bomber the majority of the time, the fact that its even worth it to still use stock sometimes seems like a sign it's balanced.

On process you can spam from choke to mid point and it will explode in peoples faces. The iron bomber has no disadvantages, the -10% explosion radius is not noticeable. The only situation in which the stock grenade launcher is better is if you want to spam from badlands middle over house to resub.

[quote=daybraek]The mostly unrecognized downside of iron bomber is how the shorter fuse time limits longer spam angles on certain maps. Although I definitely run iron bomber the majority of the time, the fact that its even worth it to still use stock sometimes seems like a sign it's balanced.[/quote]

On process you can spam from choke to mid point and it will explode in peoples faces. The iron bomber has no disadvantages, the -10% explosion radius is not noticeable. The only situation in which the stock grenade launcher is better is if you want to spam from badlands middle over house to resub.
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#32
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Comanglia

That's a nice explaination, but I wouldn't say that that's the ónly thing that makes it better

[quote=Comanglia][/quote]

That's a nice explaination, but I wouldn't say that that's the ónly thing that makes it better
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#33
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AubriacI want to complain so much about it but every time I do, people either call me a retard or don't care.

Who cares, I do it anyway. The Iron Bomber is a straight upgrade. Literally rollers you can aim, and it's so easy to get angles where the bombs just blow up in your face. I remember a million times before the Iron Bomber came out pushing through a choke was way easier than it is now because people knew how to walk over rollers. It's literally impossible with the Iron Bomber it makes pushing high level demomen so much harder (but maybe demo needs the buff???)

[quote=Aubriac]I want to complain so much about it but every time I do, people either call me a retard or don't care.[/quote]

Who cares, I do it anyway. The Iron Bomber is a straight upgrade. Literally rollers you can aim, and it's so easy to get angles where the bombs just blow up in your face. I remember a million times before the Iron Bomber came out pushing through a choke was way easier than it is now because people knew how to walk over rollers. It's literally impossible with the Iron Bomber it makes pushing high level demomen so much harder (but maybe demo needs the buff???)
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#34
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AubriacComanglia
That's a nice explaination, but I wouldn't say that that's the ónly thing that makes it better

I mean yeah sure the other things are nice bonuses but the fact it's harder to see / takes longer to visually process what's happening is a much bigger factor than everything else about it.

The way the iron bomber works though is a good thing for the game and demoman imo. Just needs slightly brighter projectiles.

[quote=Aubriac][quote=Comanglia][/quote]

That's a nice explaination, but I wouldn't say that that's the ónly thing that makes it better[/quote]

I mean yeah sure the other things are nice bonuses but the fact it's harder to see / takes longer to visually process what's happening is a much bigger factor than everything else about it.

The way the iron bomber works though is a good thing for the game and demoman imo. Just needs slightly brighter projectiles.
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#35
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The range thing is something that the loch n load does better than stock pipes as well. There's some maps/points where I think the loch n load can be better for spamming the choke because it's a tight corridor and you can do it from further back (e.g. gully river, badlands train). There's kind of a tradeoff between range and ease of damage on all the grenade launchers where iron bomber and loch n load hit the sweet spots imo.

The range thing is something that the loch n load does better than stock pipes as well. There's some maps/points where I think the loch n load can be better for spamming the choke because it's a tight corridor and you can do it from further back (e.g. gully river, badlands train). There's kind of a tradeoff between range and ease of damage on all the grenade launchers where iron bomber and loch n load hit the sweet spots imo.
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#36
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Scout is the LAST class that needs any items to buff him. Until Valve removes the Scout speed Medic buff (have any invite /prem players informed Valve how cancerous this is?) Scout should get NOTHING that makes him stronger.

Scout is the LAST class that needs any items to buff him. Until Valve removes the Scout speed Medic buff (have any invite /prem players informed Valve how cancerous this is?) Scout should get NOTHING that makes him stronger.
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#37
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ScrewballScout is the LAST class that needs any items to buff him. Until Valve removes the Scout speed Medic buff (have any invite /prem players informed Valve how cancerous this is?) Scout should get NOTHING that makes him stronger.

Make Scout Bycicle Weak Again

[quote=Screwball]Scout is the LAST class that needs any items to buff him. Until Valve removes the Scout speed Medic buff (have any invite /prem players informed Valve how cancerous this is?) Scout should get NOTHING that makes him stronger.[/quote]

Make Scout Bycicle Weak Again
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#38
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On a side note, could you ban third degree ?

it may sounds weird since the weapon is garbage, but the fact it is the stock axe, with benefits (in order of priorities 1. Cool taunt sounds, making the pyro hell of a rockstar 2. its upside) make it weird to consider allowing it.

On a side note, could you ban third degree ?

it may sounds weird since the weapon is garbage, but the fact it is the stock axe, with benefits (in order of priorities 1. Cool taunt sounds, making the pyro hell of a rockstar 2. its upside) make it weird to consider allowing it.
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#39
30 Frags +

daily olgha downfrag

daily olgha downfrag
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#40
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gemmdaily olgha downfrag

not cool, since it is important

[quote=gemm]daily olgha downfrag[/quote]

not cool, since it is important
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#41
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aoshiThe coordination that is required is limited and just people yelling "ARROW"

lol indeed

ScrewballScout is the LAST class that needs any items to buff him. Until Valve removes the Scout speed Medic buff (have any invite /prem players informed Valve how cancerous this is?) Scout should get NOTHING that makes him stronger.

Following this argument, boston basher should be banned. It does not make scout stronger, but more useful.

[quote=aoshi]The coordination that is required is limited and just people yelling "ARROW"[/quote]
lol indeed

[quote=Screwball]Scout is the LAST class that needs any items to buff him. Until Valve removes the Scout speed Medic buff (have any invite /prem players informed Valve how cancerous this is?) Scout should get NOTHING that makes him stronger.[/quote]
Following this argument, boston basher should be banned. It does not make scout stronger, but more useful.
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#42
8 Frags +

I find it interesting that there seems to be a consensus that the winger is overpowered/should be banned in europe but meanwhile in NA I don't think anyone has talked about banning it (tho its probably cause banny doesnt use it lol)

I find it interesting that there seems to be a consensus that the winger is overpowered/should be banned in europe but meanwhile in NA I don't think anyone has talked about banning it (tho its probably cause banny doesnt use it lol)
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#43
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TwiggyFollowing this argument, boston basher should be banned. It does not make scout stronger, but more useful.

Im perfectly fine with this. You used to be able to create pushable uber advantages by killing the pocket soldier making it more difficult to build.

[quote=Twiggy]
Following this argument, boston basher should be banned. It does not make scout stronger, but more useful.[/quote]
Im perfectly fine with this. You used to be able to create pushable uber advantages by killing the pocket soldier making it more difficult to build.
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#44
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This is also an argument to be used against iron bomber, as it makes building with rollers way easier, and costs less health than building with the loose cannon.

This is also an argument to be used against iron bomber, as it makes building with rollers way easier, and costs less health than building with the loose cannon.
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#45
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AoshiIron Bomber (Unbanned)
The projectile is also slightly faster with how the source engine works.

I don't think the projectile speed increase is true. This video(see the panel at 30 seconds) was made after the other sigsegv videos about the Iron Bomber's projectiles. Sigsegv even commented 'nice work' on the first video.

I understand the iron bombers physics model would change its flight characteristics, but the idea is that it isnt actually using its own physics model server-side. If I'm misunderstanding something here I'd be happy to read a clarification.

[quote=Aoshi]Iron Bomber (Unbanned)
[b]The projectile is also slightly faster with how the source engine works.[/b]
[/quote]

I don't think the projectile speed increase is true. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcziLWZ9po]This video[/url](see the panel at 30 seconds) was made after the other [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACfafLuLmy8]sigsegv[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5sDzsS6FZM]videos[/url] about the Iron Bomber's projectiles. Sigsegv even commented 'nice work' on the first video.

I understand the iron bombers physics model would change its flight characteristics, but the idea is that it isnt actually using its own physics model server-side. If I'm misunderstanding something here I'd be happy to read a clarification.
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#46
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So when are the results going to be released

So when are the results going to be released
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#47
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https://clips.twitch.tv/EasyUgliestOwlPeanutButterJellyTime

https://clips.twitch.tv/EasyUgliestOwlPeanutButterJellyTime
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#48
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blaze has been hitting that charge shot since mangler was unbanned

blaze has been hitting that charge shot since mangler was unbanned
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#49
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Unban mantreads. They are not game-breaking and they can give soldier ubers (on last perhaps) more prevalence in games.

Unban mantreads. They are not game-breaking and they can give soldier ubers (on last perhaps) more prevalence in games.
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#50
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second the mantreads, simply because I want to do dumb market gardener stuff

second the mantreads, simply because I want to do dumb market gardener stuff
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#51
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ZestyThe range thing is something that the loch n load does better than stock pipes as well. There's some maps/points where I think the loch n load can be better for spamming the choke because it's a tight corridor and you can do it from further back (e.g. gully river, badlands train). There's kind of a tradeoff between range and ease of damage on all the grenade launchers where iron bomber and loch n load hit the sweet spots imo.

I think it cannot be stressed enough that the range of the loch-n-load is so good that you as a demo don't need to put yourself in any danger in order to spam it. The range is also useful in team fights due to the speed it's coupled with. I've even heard rumors that certain players have gone around on maps to find ways to line up loch-n-load shots (sort of like smokes in csgo), where you can find ways to spam common hold spots without even being seen.

[quote=Zesty]The range thing is something that the loch n load does better than stock pipes as well. There's some maps/points where I think the loch n load can be better for spamming the choke because it's a tight corridor and you can do it from further back (e.g. gully river, badlands train). There's kind of a tradeoff between range and ease of damage on all the grenade launchers where iron bomber and loch n load hit the sweet spots imo.[/quote]
I think it cannot be stressed enough that the range of the loch-n-load is so good that you as a demo don't need to put yourself in any danger in order to spam it. The range is also useful in team fights due to the speed it's coupled with. I've even heard rumors that certain players have gone around on maps to find ways to line up loch-n-load shots (sort of like smokes in csgo), where you can find ways to spam common hold spots without even being seen.
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#52
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narkarri has convinced me from pugs enough to say fuck the loch n load.

narkarri has convinced me from pugs enough to say fuck the loch n load.
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