I greatly enjoyed pubbing more before MYM came out. It wasn't flawless, but for me casual made things significantly less enjoyable and I'm not talking about the bots. But hey, it might just be me.

The good part about casual is that you can select the specific map(s) that you want to play, which quickplay didn't provide. I got around this by going to the community server list and just join a valve server that has the map I want. Not something a beginner might do of course, but it was still effective.

I don't agree with this. Ever since casual came out, I've had to wait far longer to get into a server, have to wait longer to have the server fill up when it's empty, have this long countdown from the start every time we join a new map and at the end there's the scoreboard and map vote you have to look at and repeat the whole thing again. Adding all of this up results in less time actually playing the game, so I would consider casual the slower version of the two.

I agree that item changes had nothing to do with the comp environment. Even though there were a few weird changes, some of them actually seemed pretty good, and I think Zesty admits this. But it's indeed strange to bring up the odd item changes and claim that comp players are at fault for this, so that's where Zesty definitely goes wrong.

I think the goal isn't to convince Zesty that he should like competitive, it seems like a lost cause. But he should at least acknowledge that 6's/comp isn't all evil and bad for the core game. It's perfectly fine to not like comp tf2, but vilifying the whole comp scene is not the way to go. Though of course, I still feel his frustration for the reasons I said above.

I think Zesty's attitude towards comp players is a bit over the top, but if I look at the main reason why this whole thing pisses him off I can at least slightly see where he's coming from.
I think his most important argument is that while Meet Your Match was supposed to be an update that would help the comp scene and make comp more accessible (of course we all know how it failed miserably), it also fucked over the pub scene, and the core game for that matter, along with it. So by Valve trying to give the comp players what they want, pubbers who couldn't care less about comp were victim of an update they didn't even care about in the first place.
His theory is probably that, had Valve not listened to comp players and actually put out normal updates like they used to do, the game would not have been in such a bad state (since the bots also started appearing a bit after MYM to put salt on the wound). I'm not sure how it would've turned out though since Valve released a few stinkers before MYM update.
Looking back, I think what would've helped more is if Valve addressed existing comp organizations more often, or found ways to connect players to them easily such as a reference on the main menu or smth I dunno.

Also how can we forget THIS
https://youtu.be/7Vexsq1FXKo?t=4728

https://youtu.be/fiI2AVC7nG0?t=1487

Dunno why this came to mind, I vaguely remember someone saying this had something to do with it back in the day, but could be wrong.

ReSurfed

@nubbi
Jebem ti mater

If you shouldn't say retard, can you still say idiot?

He was a great opponent to play against.

Rest in peace king

I literally warned you a year and a half ago. Yet you wouldn't listen and tftv people had your back as well.

Wanna fridge to metalworks mid?

Been 6 years but I forgive you

Thanks for correcting it.

First of all, don't say yes to someone who you actually consider a backstabber. If someone has done something to you that makes you feel bad, either have a talk with them and work things out together if the other person is a decent human being. If that doesn't work and he/she is stubborn asshole, just leave them and look for new people to play with and be around. Make a rec post and trial for teams. There are plenty of teams and nice people out there and surely there will be a spot somewhere for you!

It's not nice how the person you talked about handled, but like zxp said, some people don't realise how emotially attached others are to playing this game and just go with the player they think is better. Hope you'll find your place next time

It reads like a troll. If you're serious make it readable.

I really want to read this, but without any full stop or paragraph I just can't.

It's not the b4nny clip but more the principle that bothers me. Although saying this is 'just one b4nny clip' doesn't do it justice imo