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check on samski ?
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#91
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hamahamCitroMaindZolakpaskothe issue isn't that saying kill yourself is super mean and the most toxic thing you can ever do, it's that it was directed towards (or about) a person who has been struggling with depression and being suicidal
puoskari himself wasn't hurt by it
stop being mouth breathing idiots and try to read up on a situation before spewing diarrhea opinions

The words were directed to puoskari and he didnt get hurt by them, why creating all this shitstorm? Telling someone who struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts to kill himself isnt any good but i really doubt that what a stranger that you've got almost no consideration said to you on the internet will affect your final decision.

[quote=hamaham][quote=CitroMaind][/quote]
[quote=Zolak][/quote]
[quote=pasko][/quote]
the issue isn't that saying kill yourself is super mean and the most toxic thing you can ever do, it's that it was directed towards (or about) a person who has been struggling with depression and being suicidal
puoskari himself wasn't hurt by it
stop being mouth breathing idiots and try to read up on a situation before spewing diarrhea opinions[/quote]

The words were directed to puoskari and he didnt get hurt by them, why creating all this shitstorm? Telling someone who struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts to kill himself isnt any good but i really doubt that what a stranger that you've got almost no consideration said to you on the internet will affect your final decision.
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#92
-23 Frags +

lol europeans are a joke

lol europeans are a joke
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#93
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Just because you're opinion is that someone shouldn't be offended by things other random people say about them, doesn't mean that people can't be offended by it if they are. You might personally have a "thick skin" and not be affected by this sort of thing but, here's the shocker, not everyone is the same.
Personally, I don't think Samski meant what he said, but he said it, and he knew what he was saying because he knew the context behind the phrase "he should've killed himself". So if puo was offended that should be it for Samski.
However, Puo has stated that he wasnt offended at all, so alls good I guess. Samski should count himself lucky tbh.

Just because you're opinion is that someone shouldn't be offended by things other random people say about them, doesn't mean that people can't be offended by it if they are. You might personally have a "thick skin" and not be affected by this sort of thing but, here's the shocker, not everyone is the same.
Personally, I don't think Samski meant what he said, but he said it, and he knew what he was saying because he knew the context behind the phrase "he should've killed himself". So if puo was offended that should be it for Samski.
However, Puo has stated that he wasnt offended at all, so alls good I guess. Samski should count himself lucky tbh.
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#94
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ZolakThe words were directed to puoskari and he didnt get hurt by them, why creating all this shitstorm?

the shitstorm was created before puoskari most likely had time to have a say on things, he answered a day later and in those 25 hours people managed to have varying opinions on things that occured; links being nuked, samski's very poor choice of words and behaviour in response to this and in general and also if etf2l should take action or not

ZolakTelling someone who struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts to kill himself isnt any good but i really doubt that what a stranger that you've got almost no consideration said to you on the internet will affect your final decision.

perhaps it will perhaps it won't, trying to test the water is not in my personal interests.
both samski and puoskari were at i63 so it's very likely they exchanged words there so it's possible one isn't a stranger to the other, puoskari wasn't hurt by it but if it was someone else with a much worse mental state who knows what could happen?

[quote=Zolak]
The words were directed to puoskari and he didnt get hurt by them, why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
the shitstorm was created before puoskari most likely had time to have a say on things, he answered a day later and in those 25 hours people managed to have varying opinions on things that occured; links being nuked, samski's very poor choice of words and behaviour in response to this and in general and also if etf2l should take action or not
[quote=Zolak]
Telling someone who struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts to kill himself isnt any good but i really doubt that what a stranger that you've got almost no consideration said to you on the internet will affect your final decision.[/quote]
perhaps it will perhaps it won't, trying to test the water is not in my personal interests.
both samski and puoskari were at i63 so it's very likely they exchanged words there so it's possible one isn't a stranger to the other, puoskari wasn't hurt by it but if it was someone else with a much worse mental state who knows what could happen?
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#95
-2 Frags +

fair enough

fair enough
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#96
6 Frags +
hamahamboth samski and puoskari were at i63 so it's very likely they exchanged words

This is true, Puoskari spent a fair amount of time around us (faint) at i63 and we all, Samski included got along very well with him, hes a great guy. To me this is evidently just a circumstance where Sam has become heated up in the moment and said a very poor thing which there is no excuse for what so ever, but I know first hand he did not mean and regrets massively. Should Puo have chosen to be offended by such comments, he should have every right to pursue whatever course of action he thinks is necessary, However he has proclaimed that he is not offended by Sam's actions and so I think all that is required if it has not happened already is for Sam to apologise to Puo for what has happened, and we can hope to move forward and not have to deal with such an occurrence again.

[quote=hamaham]
both samski and puoskari were at i63 so it's very likely they exchanged words [/quote]

This is true, Puoskari spent a fair amount of time around us (faint) at i63 and we all, Samski included got along very well with him, hes a great guy. To me this is evidently just a circumstance where Sam has become heated up in the moment and said a very poor thing which there is no excuse for what so ever, but I know first hand he did not mean and regrets massively. Should Puo have chosen to be offended by such comments, he should have every right to pursue whatever course of action he thinks is necessary, However he has proclaimed that he is not offended by Sam's actions and so I think all that is required if it has not happened already is for Sam to apologise to Puo for what has happened, and we can hope to move forward and not have to deal with such an occurrence again.
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#97
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ShooshJust because you're opinion is that someone shouldn't be offended by things other random people say about them, doesn't mean that people can't be offended by it if they are. You might personally have a "thick skin" and not be affected by this sort of thing but, here's the shocker, not everyone is the same.

Let's see.
https://www.strawpoll.me/16695711

[quote=Shoosh]Just because you're opinion is that someone shouldn't be offended by things other random people say about them, doesn't mean that people can't be offended by it if they are. You might personally have a "thick skin" and not be affected by this sort of thing but, here's the shocker, not everyone is the same.[/quote]

Let's see.
https://www.strawpoll.me/16695711
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#98
22 Frags +
Zolakwhy creating all this shitstorm?

The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.

[quote=Zolak]why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.
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#99
10 Frags +

Hopefully people doesn't get our french comms during matches :^)

Hopefully people doesn't get our french comms during matches :^)
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#100
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guys check this out

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#101
-9 Frags +

this threads got a lot of soy in it

this threads got a lot of soy in it
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#102
14 Frags +

just think, if samski just said "killbinded" none of this would've happened

just think, if samski just said "killbinded" none of this would've happened
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#103
31 Frags +
paskoif you actually went out and got a life you wouldnt cry so much about someone you dont even know calling you names

fucking lol @ you losers

https://i.imgur.com/3lLp7J7.jpg

[quote=pasko]if you actually went out and got a life you wouldnt cry so much about someone you dont even know calling you names

fucking lol @ you losers[/quote]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/3lLp7J7.jpg[/img]
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#104
-4 Frags +

♪ So don't you bring me down today ♪

♪ So don't you bring me down today ♪
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#105
-25 Frags +
toads_tflol europeans are a joketwiikuuZolakwhy creating all this shitstorm?The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.twiikuuZolakwhy creating all this shitstorm?The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.

Lie? Expressing an opinion is not lying, the opinion being on how ETF2L should view and decision behaviour. You don't have to agree with anything in life, but there are no truths in the scenerio apart from how it's intepreted. You want to accuse me personally of making shit up go ahead because you better be prepared to back it up with a long ass post I probably won't read because I am too busy working my job in ths real world. By the way people drop F bombs in the real world, but Lenny faces not really, free life advice for you.

Making absolutions on everything. My post wasn't exactly serious, just wanted to stir some amusement up but my main point about ETF2L being the police still stands, since the Degu and Pred affair it is effectively what they signed themselves up to be, but my general feeling on the situation was that as long as Puo didn't have any issues it could be resolved and that is exactly what happened. The lad had no beef with Samski so it's moved on. That is the rational conclusion to the situation in my view however if Puo had complained it should be taken seriously, just like the Uberchain complaints were taken very seriously, by everyone to the point where the league took action. I just wonder if he had complained if people even taken it seriously. Suicide is a topic people don't discuss but every day it's affecting people we know whether in TF2 or not.

You tell me to go kill myself I will laugh it off you tell someone else who is going through some personal troubles who knows what may happen. Samski should not be banned, to reiterate but I wonder if people like you even care about the issue?

And.you call me a liar? Makes me feel just sad to be honest. I have not enjoyed this community for a while, most my friends are gone and I feel a total disconnect to this generation of TF2 player. General staleness of the game to me I can forgive after 10 years where I worked harder than you have ever to make this scene better but the actual way people react in this scene to things just stops me wanting to come back. Started with Ruwin way back when, gone downhill from there. I am.glad ETF2L wanna take a stance on harassment something they have not done a good job of for a long time, but I fail to see how they can do it consistently. This is just the first of a long line of situations where there could be a potential reason to act, mark my words if they don't apply their pledge, and only way to make them act is to sensationalise an issue as proven. Years of non action but a massive drama filled campaign to ban some people for harassment got the job done, so if people feel strongly about an issue the best chance they got is public pressure to get something done. Making shit racial like Muuki did isn't the way to go about it (but I am 99% sure Muuki was trolling like he does in 90% of threads to illicit a response) but be damn sure you got to say something or nobody will act.

Fucking shame this community gone to shit. Big part of my life for so long now I log on I got to see you. Talk about scraping low.

[quote=toads_tf]lol europeans are a joke[/quote]
[quote=twiikuu][quote=Zolak]why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.[/quote]
[quote=twiikuu][quote=Zolak]why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.[/quote]

Lie? Expressing an opinion is not lying, the opinion being on how ETF2L should view and decision behaviour. You don't have to agree with anything in life, but there are no truths in the scenerio apart from how it's intepreted. You want to accuse me personally of making shit up go ahead because you better be prepared to back it up with a long ass post I probably won't read because I am too busy working my job in ths real world. By the way people drop F bombs in the real world, but Lenny faces not really, free life advice for you.

Making absolutions on everything. My post wasn't exactly serious, just wanted to stir some amusement up but my main point about ETF2L being the police still stands, since the Degu and Pred affair it is effectively what they signed themselves up to be, but my general feeling on the situation was that as long as Puo didn't have any issues it could be resolved and that is exactly what happened. The lad had no beef with Samski so it's moved on. That is the rational conclusion to the situation in my view however if Puo had complained it should be taken seriously, just like the Uberchain complaints were taken very seriously, by everyone to the point where the league took action. I just wonder if he had complained if people even taken it seriously. Suicide is a topic people don't discuss but every day it's affecting people we know whether in TF2 or not.

You tell me to go kill myself I will laugh it off you tell someone else who is going through some personal troubles who knows what may happen. Samski should not be banned, to reiterate but I wonder if people like you even care about the issue?

And.you call me a liar? Makes me feel just sad to be honest. I have not enjoyed this community for a while, most my friends are gone and I feel a total disconnect to this generation of TF2 player. General staleness of the game to me I can forgive after 10 years where I worked harder than you have ever to make this scene better but the actual way people react in this scene to things just stops me wanting to come back. Started with Ruwin way back when, gone downhill from there. I am.glad ETF2L wanna take a stance on harassment something they have not done a good job of for a long time, but I fail to see how they can do it consistently. This is just the first of a long line of situations where there could be a potential reason to act, mark my words if they don't apply their pledge, and only way to make them act is to sensationalise an issue as proven. Years of non action but a massive drama filled campaign to ban some people for harassment got the job done, so if people feel strongly about an issue the best chance they got is public pressure to get something done. Making shit racial like Muuki did isn't the way to go about it (but I am 99% sure Muuki was trolling like he does in 90% of threads to illicit a response) but be damn sure you got to say something or nobody will act.

Fucking shame this community gone to shit. Big part of my life for so long now I log on I got to see you. Talk about scraping low.
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#106
-15 Frags +
twiikuuZolakwhy creating all this shitstorm?The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.

People just want there to be no hypocrisy when it comes to punishing 'toxicity', people like you - safe space utopia crusaders - proved that whining and crying in a thread gets you what you want. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it any worse than what has happened in other instances.
It doesnt matter if these situations are 'equal' or not, what matters is that the rules are very grey and are being made up as we find we ourselves in these new situations, and it seems from my point of view that all of the people making the rules are a hivemind of 'no meanies!', making it feel very one sided when things like this come up.

[quote=twiikuu][quote=Zolak]why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.[/quote]

People just want there to be no hypocrisy when it comes to punishing 'toxicity', people like you - safe space utopia crusaders - proved that whining and crying in a thread gets you what you want. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it any worse than what has happened in other instances.
It doesnt matter if these situations are 'equal' or not, what matters is that the rules are very grey and are being made up as we find we ourselves in these new situations, and it seems from my point of view that all of the people making the rules are a hivemind of 'no meanies!', making it feel very one sided when things like this come up.
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#107
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#108
20 Frags +

my name jeff

my name jeff
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#109
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genuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.

genuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.
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#110
0 Frags +

can we close this thread now? or is there anything more to say besides that samski fucked up and its up to admins to decide what to do or not do with it?

ok thanks bye

can we close this thread now? or is there anything more to say besides that samski fucked up and its up to admins to decide what to do or not do with it?

ok thanks bye
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#111
10 Frags +
jelqing_jedigenuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.

you posted a photo from his comp.tf page but was lazy enough to read that page, idiot

[quote=jelqing_jedi]genuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.[/quote]
you posted a photo from his comp.tf page but was lazy enough to read that page, idiot
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#112
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fooqpjelqing_jedigenuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.you posted a photo from his comp.tf page but was lazy enough to read that page, idiot

wait why is hildreths page so long on that site compared to players like clockwork

[quote=fooqp][quote=jelqing_jedi]genuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.[/quote]
you posted a photo from his comp.tf page but was lazy enough to read that page, idiot[/quote]
wait why is hildreths page so long on that site compared to players like clockwork
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#113
-9 Frags +
YeeHawfooqpjelqing_jedigenuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.you posted a photo from his comp.tf page but was lazy enough to read that page, idiotwait why is hildreths page so long on that site compared to players like clockwork

why ur askin me? i have no idea

[quote=YeeHaw][quote=fooqp][quote=jelqing_jedi]genuinely curious, someone fill me in on what hildreth has done for the community, I actually don't know.[/quote]
you posted a photo from his comp.tf page but was lazy enough to read that page, idiot[/quote]
wait why is hildreths page so long on that site compared to players like clockwork[/quote]

why ur askin me? i have no idea
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#114
-6 Frags +
fooqp

I did read it he has a community weapon I am wondering what he did to earn it, it didn't mention it lol

[quote=fooqp][/quote]
I did read it he has a community weapon I am wondering what he did to earn it, it didn't mention it lol
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#115
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jelqing_jedifooqpI did read it he has a community weapon I am wondering what he did to earn it, it didn't mention it lol

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/List_of_Community_item_owners

Hildreth was the Founder/Head Admin of VanillaTv

[quote=jelqing_jedi][quote=fooqp][/quote]
I did read it he has a community weapon I am wondering what he did to earn it, it didn't mention it lol[/quote]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/List_of_Community_item_owners

Hildreth was the Founder/Head Admin of VanillaTv
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#116
5 Frags +
Hildrethtoads_tflol europeans are a joketwiikuuZolakwhy creating all this shitstorm?The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.twiikuuZolakwhy creating all this shitstorm?The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.
Lie? Expressing an opinion is not lying, the opinion being on how ETF2L should view and decision behaviour. You don't have to agree with anything in life, but there are no truths in the scenerio apart from how it's intepreted. You want to accuse me personally of making shit up go ahead because you better be prepared to back it up with a long ass post I probably won't read because I am too busy working my job in ths real world. By the way people drop F bombs in the real world, but Lenny faces not really, free life advice for you.

Making absolutions on everything. My post wasn't exactly serious, just wanted to stir some amusement up but my main point about ETF2L being the police still stands, since the Degu and Pred affair it is effectively what they signed themselves up to be, but my general feeling on the situation was that as long as Puo didn't have any issues it could be resolved and that is exactly what happened. The lad had no beef with Samski so it's moved on. That is the rational conclusion to the situation in my view however if Puo had complained it should be taken seriously, just like the Uberchain complaints were taken very seriously, by everyone to the point where the league took action. I just wonder if he had complained if people even taken it seriously. Suicide is a topic people don't discuss but every day it's affecting people we know whether in TF2 or not.

You tell me to go kill myself I will laugh it off you tell someone else who is going through some personal troubles who knows what may happen. Samski should not be banned, to reiterate but I wonder if people like you even care about the issue?

And.you call me a liar? Makes me feel just sad to be honest. I have not enjoyed this community for a while, most my friends are gone and I feel a total disconnect to this generation of TF2 player. General staleness of the game to me I can forgive after 10 years where I worked harder than you have ever to make this scene better but the actual way people react in this scene to things just stops me wanting to come back. Started with Ruwin way back when, gone downhill from there. I am.glad ETF2L wanna take a stance on harassment something they have not done a good job of for a long time, but I fail to see how they can do it consistently. This is just the first of a long line of situations where there could be a potential reason to act, mark my words if they don't apply their pledge, and only way to make them act is to sensationalise an issue as proven. Years of non action but a massive drama filled campaign to ban some people for harassment got the job done, so if people feel strongly about an issue the best chance they got is public pressure to get something done. Making shit racial like Muuki did isn't the way to go about it (but I am 99% sure Muuki was trolling like he does in 90% of threads to illicit a response) but be damn sure you got to say something or nobody will act.

Fucking shame this community gone to shit. Big part of my life for so long now I log on I got to see you. Talk about scraping low.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/038/094/0a1.jpg

[quote=Hildreth][quote=toads_tf]lol europeans are a joke[/quote]
[quote=twiikuu][quote=Zolak]why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.[/quote]
[quote=twiikuu][quote=Zolak]why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.[/quote]

Lie? Expressing an opinion is not lying, the opinion being on how ETF2L should view and decision behaviour. You don't have to agree with anything in life, but there are no truths in the scenerio apart from how it's intepreted. You want to accuse me personally of making shit up go ahead because you better be prepared to back it up with a long ass post I probably won't read because I am too busy working my job in ths real world. By the way people drop F bombs in the real world, but Lenny faces not really, free life advice for you.

Making absolutions on everything. My post wasn't exactly serious, just wanted to stir some amusement up but my main point about ETF2L being the police still stands, since the Degu and Pred affair it is effectively what they signed themselves up to be, but my general feeling on the situation was that as long as Puo didn't have any issues it could be resolved and that is exactly what happened. The lad had no beef with Samski so it's moved on. That is the rational conclusion to the situation in my view however if Puo had complained it should be taken seriously, just like the Uberchain complaints were taken very seriously, by everyone to the point where the league took action. I just wonder if he had complained if people even taken it seriously. Suicide is a topic people don't discuss but every day it's affecting people we know whether in TF2 or not.

You tell me to go kill myself I will laugh it off you tell someone else who is going through some personal troubles who knows what may happen. Samski should not be banned, to reiterate but I wonder if people like you even care about the issue?

And.you call me a liar? Makes me feel just sad to be honest. I have not enjoyed this community for a while, most my friends are gone and I feel a total disconnect to this generation of TF2 player. General staleness of the game to me I can forgive after 10 years where I worked harder than you have ever to make this scene better but the actual way people react in this scene to things just stops me wanting to come back. Started with Ruwin way back when, gone downhill from there. I am.glad ETF2L wanna take a stance on harassment something they have not done a good job of for a long time, but I fail to see how they can do it consistently. This is just the first of a long line of situations where there could be a potential reason to act, mark my words if they don't apply their pledge, and only way to make them act is to sensationalise an issue as proven. Years of non action but a massive drama filled campaign to ban some people for harassment got the job done, so if people feel strongly about an issue the best chance they got is public pressure to get something done. Making shit racial like Muuki did isn't the way to go about it (but I am 99% sure Muuki was trolling like he does in 90% of threads to illicit a response) but be damn sure you got to say something or nobody will act.

Fucking shame this community gone to shit. Big part of my life for so long now I log on I got to see you. Talk about scraping low.[/quote]
[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/038/094/0a1.jpg[/img]
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#117
6 Frags +
JynxiitwiikuuZolakwhy creating all this shitstorm?The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.
People just want there to be no hypocrisy when it comes to punishing 'toxicity', people like you - safe space utopia crusaders - proved that whining and crying in a thread gets you what you want. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it any worse than what has happened in other instances.
It doesnt matter if these situations are 'equal' or not, what matters is that the rules are very grey and are being made up as we find we ourselves in these new situations, and it seems from my point of view that all of the people making the rules are a hivemind of 'no meanies!', making it feel very one sided when things like this come up.

No they're just doing 'hurr durr, our friend got banned so this person should be banned'. So they act like ball bags and whinge about admins.

In reality samski made a cunt of a comment in a private mumble that puoskari was not in. He didn't make his comment directly to puoskari, which is why its not the same as pred's actions, ergo the response is not hypocritical. I couldn't really call for you to be banned if you now went and called me every name under the sun to your friends. Its really fucking simple and it's tiring having all the pointless sniping at admins

Whether he deserves to be banned for what he actually did do is another point. I don't think so but yeah. Maybe for deleting the evidence.

[quote=Jynxii][quote=twiikuu][quote=Zolak]why creating all this shitstorm?[/quote]
The first page and a half was brigaded by the bottom of the European barrel to stir up a controversy on the basis that, if they lie and cry hard enough, the situations "Degu/Pred" and "Samski/Puo" would be considered "equal" and therefor the outcome should be the same, unfortunately for them, in the real world, those situations are not the same.[/quote]

People just want there to be no hypocrisy when it comes to punishing 'toxicity', people like you - safe space utopia crusaders - proved that whining and crying in a thread gets you what you want. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it any worse than what has happened in other instances.
It doesnt matter if these situations are 'equal' or not, what matters is that the rules are very grey and are being made up as we find we ourselves in these new situations, and it seems from my point of view that all of the people making the rules are a hivemind of 'no meanies!', making it feel very one sided when things like this come up.[/quote]

No they're just doing 'hurr durr, our friend got banned so this person should be banned'. So they act like ball bags and whinge about admins.

In reality samski made a cunt of a comment in a private mumble that puoskari was not in. He didn't make his comment directly to puoskari, which is why its not the same as pred's actions, ergo the response is not hypocritical. I couldn't really call for you to be banned if you now went and called me every name under the sun to your friends. Its really fucking simple and it's tiring having all the pointless sniping at admins

Whether he deserves to be banned for what he actually did do is another point. I don't think so but yeah. Maybe for deleting the evidence.
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Yep fair enough

Yep fair enough
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Scruff_Regardless of personal opinions etf2l have set a precedent with the other cases and have to release a statement either issuing a ban or clarifying the rules to not ban, it would be very ignorant of them to just dodge the issue without saying anything.

How much clearer than "we only ban if the targeted person reports the issue" can it get?
Puo said it's fine so nothing will happen.

[quote=Scruff_]Regardless of personal opinions etf2l have set a precedent with the other cases and have to release a statement either issuing a ban or clarifying the rules to not ban, it would be very ignorant of them to just dodge the issue without saying anything.[/quote]
How much clearer than "we only ban if the targeted person reports the issue" can it get?
Puo said it's fine so nothing will happen.
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No they're just doing 'hurr durr, our friend got banned so this person should be banned'. So they act like ball bags and whinge about admins.

What are you on about? None of us are friends with Degu/Pred. Personally I don't really know who they even are, and I really don't even care who they are.
The issue is the arbitrariness of said bans and the Puo/Sam situation. I could pull up logs where people said stupid shit to me, and nobody would bat an eye, yet people do with Puo/Sam because they're more or less high profile people in the scene now. A lot of people could bring up shit that's been said to them, but I guess their feelings don't matter because it wasn't posted on tftv?

Are the profile / controversy and whether the "victim" was hurt the deciding factors on whether people will be banned or not?
Absolutely have to agree with Hildad about the quality of scene declining since the Ruwin thing. And just to be clear, I'm absolutely against what Ruwin did.

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No they're just doing 'hurr durr, our friend got banned so this person should be banned'. So they act like ball bags and whinge about admins.[/quote]

What are you on about? None of us are friends with Degu/Pred. Personally I don't really know who they even are, and I really don't even care who they are.
The issue is the arbitrariness of said bans and the Puo/Sam situation. I could pull up logs where people said stupid shit to me, and nobody would bat an eye, yet people do with Puo/Sam because they're more or less high profile people in the scene now. A lot of people could bring up shit that's been said to them, but I guess their feelings don't matter because it wasn't posted on tftv?

Are the profile / controversy and whether the "victim" was hurt the deciding factors on whether people will be banned or not?
Absolutely have to agree with Hildad about the quality of scene declining since the Ruwin thing. And just to be clear, I'm absolutely against what Ruwin did.
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