Upvote Upvoted 17 Downvote Downvoted
1 2 3 4 5
check on samski ?
31
#31
30 Frags +

https://cdn140.picsart.com/268757644017211.png?r1024x1024

[img]https://cdn140.picsart.com/268757644017211.png?r1024x1024[/img]
32
#32
-6 Frags +
HildrethWhere is the ETF2L Police? I thought toxicity was getting stamped out.

it's saturday night they're probably at the pub right now

[quote=Hildreth]Where is the ETF2L Police? I thought toxicity was getting stamped out.[/quote]
it's saturday night they're probably at the pub right now
33
#33
40 Frags +
HildrethWhere is the ETF2L Police? I thought toxicity was getting stamped out.

saturday night = anime i guess

[quote=Hildreth]Where is the ETF2L Police? I thought toxicity was getting stamped out.[/quote]
saturday night = anime i guess
34
#34
67 Frags +

+--^----------,--------,-----,--------^-,
| ||||||||| `--------' | O
`+---------------------------^----------|
`\_,---------,---------,--------------'
/ XXXXXX /'| /'
/ XXXXXX / `\ /'
/ XXXXXX /`-------'
/ XXXXXX /
/ XXXXXX /
(________(
`------' dont come to badlands middle tomorrow....

+--^----------,--------,-----,--------^-,
| ||||||||| `--------' | O
`+---------------------------^----------|
`\_,---------,---------,--------------'
/ XXXXXX /'| /'
/ XXXXXX / `\ /'
/ XXXXXX /`-------'
/ XXXXXX /
/ XXXXXX /
(________(
`------' dont come to badlands middle tomorrow....
35
#35
-7 Frags +

incredibly hypocritical of the etf2l staff to make a giant out of Pred and Degu's situation but not even react to this
at least be consistent dog, cmon

incredibly hypocritical of the etf2l staff to make a giant out of Pred and Degu's situation but not even react to this
at least be consistent dog, cmon
36
#36
-16 Frags +

Did samski even say anything directly to puoskari?

Point being, you can't really ban people for private comments, however much I think he's a dickhead for saying it.

Did samski even say anything directly to puoskari?

Point being, you can't really ban people for private comments, however much I think he's a dickhead for saying it.
37
#37
37 Frags +

Hello,

We (TFTV mods) were ignorant of what the actual context was until it came out and we apologize for pre-emptive nuking. Now that we have not only confirmed Samski is physically okay and not at risk of self-harm, as well as confirmed the context of what was actually going on, we are not defending Samski for his words against Puoskari, given the context of Puoskari's history and the insensitivity of Samski's words
It is on Samski to decide how he wants to go from here, whether he still chooses to distance from the community, or publicly / privately will apologize to Puoskari, as well as if Puoskari does demand an apology, and however leagues would like to react
Additionally, we will make sure to review content more as we do have a nuke offensive content rule and Samski's comments fall under the No Personal Attacks rule. But because Cat/Krafty were not Samski, we will refocus that rule to direct postings from OP in terms of context
Please do attempt to stay civil in this conversation.

Thanks.

Hello,

We (TFTV mods) were ignorant of what the actual context was until it came out and we apologize for pre-emptive nuking. Now that we have not only confirmed Samski is physically okay and not at risk of self-harm, as well as confirmed the context of what was actually going on, we are not defending Samski for his words against Puoskari, given the context of Puoskari's history and the insensitivity of Samski's words
It is on Samski to decide how he wants to go from here, whether he still chooses to distance from the community, or publicly / privately will apologize to Puoskari, as well as if Puoskari does demand an apology, and however leagues would like to react
Additionally, we will make sure to review content more as we do have a nuke offensive content rule and Samski's comments fall under the No Personal Attacks rule. But because Cat/Krafty were not Samski, we will refocus that rule to direct postings from OP in terms of context
Please do attempt to stay civil in this conversation.

Thanks.
38
#38
-20 Frags +

Staying civil:
Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
I'm not defending them, but I'm not defending Samski either. Actually, I don't really care about the whole subject, but it doesn't seem that people are being treated equally.

Also, just to clarify, why does it matter what one has gone through in the past, whether it was suicide attempts or being a victim of something else?

Internet 2018.

Staying civil:
Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
I'm not defending them, but I'm not defending Samski either. Actually, I don't really care about the whole subject, but it doesn't seem that people are being treated equally.

Also, just to clarify, why does it matter what one has gone through in the past, whether it was suicide attempts or being a victim of something else?

Internet 2018.
39
#39
21 Frags +
skatesincredibly hypocritical of the etf2l staff to make a giant out of Pred and Degu's situation but not even react to this
at least be consistent dog, cmon

"posted 5 hours ago"

[quote=skates]incredibly hypocritical of the etf2l staff to make a giant out of Pred and Degu's situation but not even react to this
at least be consistent dog, cmon[/quote]

"posted 5 hours ago"
40
#40
23 Frags +
KissakalaStaying civil:
Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
I'm not defending them, but I'm not defending Samski either. Actually, I don't really care about the whole subject, but it doesn't seem that people are being treated equally.

Degu's apology was essentially "I wasn't serious, and therefore everyone else is wrong for reacting badly" and iirc pred never tried to apologize or even take the situation seriously. Their bans did take that into account.

KissakalaAlso, just to clarify, why does it matter what one has gone through in the past, whether it was suicide attempts or being a victim of something else?

Because being worried about ones' safety is the #1 priority in all of this?

[quote=Kissakala]Staying civil:
Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
I'm not defending them, but I'm not defending Samski either. Actually, I don't really care about the whole subject, but it doesn't seem that people are being treated equally.[/quote]
Degu's apology was essentially "I wasn't serious, and therefore everyone else is wrong for reacting badly" and iirc pred never tried to apologize or even take the situation seriously. Their bans did take that into account.

[quote=Kissakala]Also, just to clarify, why does it matter what one has gone through in the past, whether it was suicide attempts or being a victim of something else?[/quote]
Because being worried about ones' safety is the #1 priority in all of this?
41
#41
10 Frags +

only punish people if the targeted person is offended

imo

only punish people if the targeted person is offended

imo
42
#42
-8 Frags +

https://youtu.be/MKMfXkMTdug

https://youtu.be/MKMfXkMTdug
43
#43
5 Frags +
KissakalaWas it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.

I think you extrapolated from the phrasing, I think it clearly means "we're not stopping whatever needs to happen from happening".
From our end and our reach, I think we are treating equally, e.g. in the Degu/Pred thread, TFTV Mods only removed posts when breaking TFTV rules, which would have happened on any thread.
That's the extent of what we're gonna do, keep the thread clean, we don't have control over league decisions.

KissakalaStaying civil: [..] Internet 2018.

I'm gonna go on a tangent; a lot of the posts in this thread are in bad faith and I think it's disappointing. I hope to be wrong in your case.

[quote=Kissakala]Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.[/quote]

I think you extrapolated from the phrasing, I think it clearly means "we're not stopping whatever needs to happen from happening".
From our end and our reach, I think we are treating equally, e.g. in the Degu/Pred thread, TFTV Mods only removed posts when breaking TFTV rules, which would have happened on any thread.
That's the extent of what we're gonna do, keep the thread clean, we don't have control over league decisions.

[quote=Kissakala]Staying civil: [..] Internet 2018.[/quote]
I'm gonna go on a tangent; a lot of the posts in this thread are in bad faith and I think it's disappointing. I hope to be wrong in your case.
44
#44
6 Frags +
twiikuuKissakalaWas it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
From our end and our reach, I think we are treating equally, e.g. in the Degu/Pred thread, TFTV Mods only removed posts when breaking TFTV rules, which would have happened on any thread.

ye thats why you deleted the stream clips?

[quote=twiikuu][quote=Kissakala]Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.[/quote]

From our end and our reach, I think we are treating equally, e.g. in the Degu/Pred thread, TFTV Mods only removed posts when breaking TFTV rules, which would have happened on any thread.[/quote]
ye thats why you deleted the stream clips?
45
#45
4 Frags +

attention-o-matic running low

attention-o-matic running low
46
#46
-10 Frags +

Don't say this to Puoskari.

Don't say this to Puoskari.
47
#47
35 Frags +
WandumtwiikuuKissakalaWas it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
From our end and our reach, I think we are treating equally, e.g. in the Degu/Pred thread, TFTV Mods only removed posts when breaking TFTV rules, which would have happened on any thread.
ye thats why you deleted the stream clips?

I just checked internally to see who deleted those, I had assumed it was whoever nuked Krafty's link in this thread for the same reason (we didn't know what was happening), after checking TFTV admin logs, Samski nuked three messages in Stream highlights, then un-nuked them, then nuked them again. Samski had access to the admin panel as he's commonly helping with casts and organization, we asked Enigma to disabled his access for the time being, this is very much another slip on our end, apologies. Posts were un-nuked just now.

[quote=Wandum][quote=twiikuu][quote=Kissakala]Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.[/quote]

From our end and our reach, I think we are treating equally, e.g. in the Degu/Pred thread, TFTV Mods only removed posts when breaking TFTV rules, which would have happened on any thread.[/quote]
ye thats why you deleted the stream clips?[/quote]
I just checked internally to see who deleted those, I had assumed it was whoever nuked Krafty's link in this thread for the same reason (we didn't know what was happening), after checking TFTV admin logs, Samski nuked three messages in Stream highlights, then un-nuked them, then nuked them again. Samski had access to the admin panel as he's commonly helping with casts and organization, we asked Enigma to disabled his access for the time being, this is very much another slip on our end, apologies. Posts were un-nuked just now.
48
#48
16 Frags +

O_O

O_O
49
#49
8 Frags +

oh dear

oh dear
50
#50
-4 Frags +

wow

wow
51
#51
-24 Frags +
JarateKingKissakalaStaying civil:
Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
I'm not defending them, but I'm not defending Samski either. Actually, I don't really care about the whole subject, but it doesn't seem that people are being treated equally.
Degu's apology was essentially "I wasn't serious, and therefore everyone else is wrong for reacting badly" and iirc pred never tried to apologize or even take the situation seriously. Their bans did take that into account.
KissakalaAlso, just to clarify, why does it matter what one has gone through in the past, whether it was suicide attempts or being a victim of something else?Because being worried about ones' safety is the #1 priority in all of this?

Have you considered training for the ETF2L Police academy? I think you are an ideal candidate for upholding justice and morality in the community.

You either ban everybody or you don't ban anyone unless you give clear guidelines on where you can and can't say things. Im half expecting to be banned for saying stuff in a private Discord server these days. Just making it up as you go along depending in how many people are outraged isn't the correct approach. Just like when they punish Pred by docking his teammates prize money but didn't punish Credu by docking his teammates prize money for dropping racial slurs.

By this logic I am expecting the last 6 teammates of Samski to be docked prize money for association. In fact I once played with Samski in the HL NC. Admins you want my last 5 years of winnings returned? Just give me the details? Don't want Aoshi on my doorstep. Didn't take long for the next drama did it.

Samski acting stupid in the heat of the moment isn't new but the lengths he is going to cover it up is just kind of hilarious but also sad. Don't worry Sam, once this drama pases and TFTV are short a caster I am sure they will ask you again, like they did Degu.

[quote=JarateKing][quote=Kissakala]Staying civil:
Was it on Pred or Degu to decide how they wanted to go from the point where they said the things they did.
I'm not defending them, but I'm not defending Samski either. Actually, I don't really care about the whole subject, but it doesn't seem that people are being treated equally.[/quote]
Degu's apology was essentially "I wasn't serious, and therefore everyone else is wrong for reacting badly" and iirc pred never tried to apologize or even take the situation seriously. Their bans did take that into account.

[quote=Kissakala]Also, just to clarify, why does it matter what one has gone through in the past, whether it was suicide attempts or being a victim of something else?[/quote]
Because being worried about ones' safety is the #1 priority in all of this?[/quote]


Have you considered training for the ETF2L Police academy? I think you are an ideal candidate for upholding justice and morality in the community.

You either ban everybody or you don't ban anyone unless you give clear guidelines on where you can and can't say things. Im half expecting to be banned for saying stuff in a private Discord server these days. Just making it up as you go along depending in how many people are outraged isn't the correct approach. Just like when they punish Pred by docking his teammates prize money but didn't punish Credu by docking his teammates prize money for dropping racial slurs.

By this logic I am expecting the last 6 teammates of Samski to be docked prize money for association. In fact I once played with Samski in the HL NC. Admins you want my last 5 years of winnings returned? Just give me the details? Don't want Aoshi on my doorstep. Didn't take long for the next drama did it.

Samski acting stupid in the heat of the moment isn't new but the lengths he is going to cover it up is just kind of hilarious but also sad. Don't worry Sam, once this drama pases and TFTV are short a caster I am sure they will ask you again, like they did Degu.
52
#52
8 Frags +

i cant wait to pretend i'm going to kms over online arguments to avoid punishment.

i cant wait to pretend i'm going to kms over online arguments to avoid punishment.
53
#53
17 Frags +
Hildreth

Tbf, Credu was removed from his team and apologised on twitter while Pred didn’t afaik, so the situations aren’t the same. But the admins seem to be at least somewhat basing their decision making off of community outrage which is a shame. I agree there should be clearer rules on conduct inside/outside of game however I don’t think it’s as big of an issue as you make it out to be.

[quote=Hildreth][/quote]
Tbf, Credu was removed from his team and apologised on twitter while Pred didn’t afaik, so the situations aren’t the same. But the admins seem to be at least somewhat basing their decision making off of community outrage which is a shame. I agree there should be clearer rules on conduct inside/outside of game however I don’t think it’s as big of an issue as you make it out to be.
54
#54
6 Frags +
HildrethHave you considered training for the ETF2L Police academy? I think you are an ideal candidate for upholding justice and morality in the community.

I'm not calling for bans, or anything like that. I don't know whether Samski should be banned at all, and as Twiikuu was saying, a lot of that depends on what happens from here.

I just hate to see people bring up pred/degu with "but they couldn't have done anything better, so unfair" which is blatantly false. I don't even get the obsession, degu's already unbanned afaik and people still constantly bring it up every time people react to other players being toxic. I don't mind degu, and for that reason I hope he's not going to do the same shit again, but it's lying to look back and say they couldn't have done anything better.

[quote=Hildreth]Have you considered training for the ETF2L Police academy? I think you are an ideal candidate for upholding justice and morality in the community. [/quote]
I'm not calling for bans, or anything like that. I don't know whether Samski should be banned at all, and as Twiikuu was saying, a lot of that depends on what happens from here.

I just hate to see people bring up pred/degu with "but they couldn't have done anything better, so unfair" which is blatantly false. I don't even get the obsession, degu's already unbanned afaik and people still constantly bring it up every time people react to other players being toxic. I don't mind degu, and for that reason I hope he's not going to do the same shit again, but it's lying to look back and say they couldn't have done anything better.
55
#55
-2 Frags +

yikes

yikes
56
#56
-4 Frags +

tf2 drama. monkaS

tf2 drama. monkaS
57
#57
92 Frags +

I know I've been known to be extremely sensitive in the past, but I've mentally grown up and learned to understand myself a lot better.

So what you want to do with Samski is up to whatever you feel necessary, I personally wasn't hurt one bit nor do I need anyone defending me for that matter.

I know I've been known to be extremely sensitive in the past, but I've mentally grown up and learned to understand myself a lot better.

So what you want to do with Samski is up to whatever you feel necessary, I personally wasn't hurt one bit nor do I need anyone defending me for that matter.
58
#58
4 Frags +

mdr

mdr
59
#59
49 Frags +

everyone says unnecessary and sometimes inappropriate things when they're tilted, its very rare they ACTUALLY mean it

everyone says unnecessary and sometimes inappropriate things when they're tilted, its very rare they ACTUALLY mean it
60
#60
-41 Frags +

Hey guys remember when you could say words on the interwebs and people weren't triggered by it?

...yeah me neither.

Hey guys remember when you could say words on the interwebs and people weren't triggered by it?

...yeah me neither.
1 2 3 4 5
This thread has been locked.