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#24 Proper Performance Guide on TF2. [UNFINISHED] in Customization

In your own source, it uses 97th percentile FPS numbers and not frame times for measuring. 99th percentile or 1% lows FPS is the defacto way to measure a games smoothness, because people know what 30FPS is as opposed to 33.33ms each frame . AVG Frames per Second = AVG Frametime (or Seconds per Frame). Check out this video for more info.

Also, AVG frametime and AVG FPS effectively communicate the same amount of information because they are the same metric. They don't measure input latency directly either, because that depends on your mouse, monitor etc.

I observed 5% improvement in FPS going to directx 8 on a ryzen 6 core and RX 580, which is modern imo. Also on a GTX 960M laptop with a 5700HQ, it improved performance by 10+%. Definitely didn't make my game run worse than DX9 when I used it.

posted 1 month ago
#14 Playing tf2 on linux in TF2 General Discussion

My experience on Linux has been positive. It ran TF2 faster than Windows by a noticeable amount, and it felt smoother ingame also. I got 255FPS on Manjaro Linux, whilst Windows 10 got 234FPS. It feels much better than 20 more FPS in-game though.

I use Lutris and all I did was enable Feral Gamemode and ACO shaders for my AMD GPU and most games just work. Lutris is a must have for any Linux gamer in my view, and gets most games running with the best settings in 1 click. Games like Quake Live, Aim Trainers and general stuff like Microsoft Office ran perfectly using Lutris.

scarydoes tf2 on linux still work with vpks and mods like yttrium viewmodels?

Things that use DLLs I dont think will work, like P-REC. But custom HUDS, matercomfig have worked just fine for me, so presumably most other things will work.

Wine+DXVK can run the Windows version of TF2, then I think stuff that uses DLLs, like P-REC, will work. But I witnessed a 10-20% performance hit, even in DX8 while Linux was in DX9. So I wouldnt bother with that and just use the ingame demo system.

maly but SDL can't handle some fast mouse flicks in newer kernels properly, so raw input screws it up).

I read somewhere (I think in the mastercomfig discord) that deleting the SDL. so file in the TF2 folders fixes the double mouse input problem with raw input. Seemed to work for me.

iredon't know if it applies in TF2 but i know people in osu run on linux sometimes to try and cut down on input lag

TF2 definitely feels better in Linux, but I cant measure the inpug lag differences. People online claim Linux has lower input lag, but not sure how trustworthy those posts are.

You can disable the compositor in Linux, which is basically like Windows Classic theme, and that removes vsync that you cant disable in Windows 10 anymore. Borderless-windowed gaming has similar input lag to fullscreen mode, it's great.

posted 2 months ago
#5 Old Seeker crosshair in TF2 General Discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOWH7lXrx7Q

posted 2 months ago
#2175 mastercomfig - fps/customization config in Customization
mastercomsSame with the force ID settings. I haven't looked too much into those but people do strangely get a benefit out of them sometimes.

I can say that forcing vendor IDs for me when I was using NVIDIA optimus in Windows 7 with a driver that wasn't from the OEM helped my FPS a bit and allowed the game render correctly. I dont have the exact numbers on hand, but it helped.

For some reason the game was recognizing my dGPU as the Intel integrated one with the driver direct from NVIDIA. This was the github issue report that helped me: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/633

On Windows 10 I didnt have the same issues though. Also apparently helps on some linux systems, but I never tested that.

posted 3 months ago
#2 Disabling HPET for lower input lag? in Hardware

your results show enabling and disabling HPET is functionally the same in regards to frame time.

from what i understand WIndows doesnt use HPET by default anymore anyway and keeping settings at default is best. As regards to input latency im not sure. I personally have seen no difference.

posted 4 months ago
#653 TF2 benchmarks in TF2 General Discussion

Recently I have grown tired of Windows BS and decided to try out Linux again. I figured since all the games I play are available on Linux, I might as well give it a go. I was pleasantly surprised.

Here is a comparison with Windows I did. Not completely in depth, but I ran the demo 6 times on each system. Windows was de-bloated and had process affinities 4,6,8,10. On Linux, TF2 was ran via Lutris with Feral Gamemode and ACO enabled (basically I tried to get the most FPS on both)

Testing setup:
CPU: AMD R5 2600X locked at 4.2GHz
RAM: 16GB 3200MHz CL14-14-14-28
GPU: AMD RX 580 at stock speeds
Resolution: 2560x1440
OS: Windows 20H1 (dx98) / Pop! OS 20.10 (dx92)
CFG: Mastercomfig medium-high tweaked

https://i.imgur.com/O5n6SB2.png

AVG Windows: 235.63FPS
AVG Linux: 244.47FPS

Linux wins by 9FPS! It also feels much smoother to play in-game too, but I have no way of measuring that. The only real issue is that fonts look a bit different, but it's not a big deal to be honest.

These findings are supported in other games like CS:GO. Considering you can get Office running via Wine perfectly, and Proton allows many Windows games to run, this might be a viable option for many people. Games like DOOM 2016 run flawlessly with about a 2FPS loss, despite not being supported on Linux. Pretty cool. If you have some free time try it out!

posted 4 months ago
#8 Where to download p-rec? in Q/A Help

On the ETF2L page for P-REC the mirror link works just fine.

In case that doesn't work either, the archive.org version works too.

posted 4 months ago
#3728 PC Build Thread in Hardware

The 3800xt (according to GN CPU benchmarks) does about 128fps stock. I would expect out of a comet lake CPU you will get 5.1ghz max (silicon lottery). This is about 146fps.

this info is not confirmed. but to be safe, i will lower the numbers a bit from leaks.

If Zen 3 is 10% faster in games than the current Zen 2 CPUs, then that's 141fps. A 3% difference. Comet Lake CPUs you will have to manually OC and it will consume over 250W - and you get no PCI-e Gen 4 support.

And that's a conservative 10%. Most recent leaks suggest that Zen 3 beats Comet Lake in CPU bound games. And will probably use less power. Besides October 8th isn't that far away, so if you don't need a new CPU right now, might as well wait to see. I doubt 10700Ks will go out of stock in that time.

As for RDNA 2, there is a lot of conflicting information. The most realistic thing I've seen is that it will perform about the same as a 3080 and will consume less power for the top model. I doubt we will see another Vega again, but who knows. The only way to know is wait until 28th October. I just wouldn't count RTG out just yet.

Why do you think NVIDIA increased performance so much over Turing this time for the same prices? I can tell you with some certainty that NVIDIA isn't doing this out of the goodness of their heart.

posted 8 months ago
#3712 PC Build Thread in Hardware
flatlineuh, is there a problem with userbenchmark? was the easiest way for me to get a parts list.

https://i.imgur.com/ptiAL1h.png

Here you see a Core i3 "beating" a 32 core thread ripper in a completely fair comparison. Ie - all is skewed towards Intel for some reason. It's not a realistic indicator for performance. You even see the site owners writing completely idiotic statements about AMD processors. So just dont go to their site or use their software.

https://i.imgur.com/uXlCPZ1.png

Right when Zen 2 came out, they decided to change all the tests to be more weighted towards Intel. That along with their clearly biased statements, scalding press releases towards any reviewer media that dares to go against them, makes it clear they arent fans of objective truth, ie fail as a benchmark and are just SEO garbage that should be avoided.

flatlineI just got this ram unfortunately. Thought it was pretty good with ryzen. what works best with it?

The optimal RAM you want is running at 3600MHz with as low as CAS timings as you can get, as most processors can hit that effectively without shenanigans. The absolute best RAM you can get for Ryzen is Samsung B-Die memory, but that is very expensive.

It doesn't make that much of a difference to performance to justify the cost of buying new RAM imo. You may get a couple extra frames per second. If you increase the infinity fabric speed manually I think you will achieve most of the performance you would have gotten anyway. You will need a config to hit 240fps consistently because tf2 sucks.

posted 9 months ago
#3657 PC Build Thread in Hardware
Setsul

most seem to be getting 4.55GHz ish for the 3600xt at 1.3v. none hitting 4.7 apart from one golden sample afaik, which is insane considering it had difficulty hitting 4.2 all core a year ago. No bios update needed either. I didnt expect them to be this good, and is potentially a good sign that zen 3 can hit high clock speeds?

couldnt find many reviewers who benched cs:go this time. looks like roughly 10% faster than 3600x at stock speeds. Apparently it can do 3800MHz memory at 1:1 now which is pretty cool.

3800XT tends to overclock slightly higher if not the same speeds, and 3900xt has 1 good+1 bad chip, which i didnt think would happen but hey. Also would be interesting to see what percentages of chips roughly hit what clock speeds, maybe if silicon lottery does another round of binning with a large amount of processors.

3600xt has no cooler so bit lame I guess. 3600 still seems like the best value chip. I wonder how much a newer 3600X would overclock at safe voltages, if its close to 4.5 or what. not a common chip people buy so not many people report their results. No price drops from 3600(X), which is a shame i guess.

overall i was wrong which is a good thing i guess.

posted 11 months ago
#3654 PC Build Thread in Hardware
bearodactyl

Yeah net graph can drop your fps more than normal, so its probaby not as bad as i assumed.

You can overclock a 3600 on a b450 tomahawk max comfortably for example. The stock coolers are a bit trash though so you probably wont get much out of it without losing your mind due to how annoying the stock cooler sounds.

You could gamble and get some cheap Samsung B-Die RAM. Generally 3200mhz cl14 indicates this. And you can use Ryzen DRAM calculator as a base to overclock your memory. B-Die is easier to overclock and better in general. I have had luck doing this and maybe your friend did this too. You can use b-die finder to see if the RAM you are looking at has b-die modules.
RAM overclocking is painful to do because you have to be sure you get no memory errors over a long period of time and the OC may not work at the end of it, so its probably easier to get the ram speed and timings you want.

But its important to keep in mind - if your current system does everything you want it to do, is there a reason to upgrade?
you might get close to 240fps with the right settings.

Setsul

Q3 release for zen 3. September is the speculated release date that ive read from various sites and heard from numerous people on videos etc.

Never said that a performance goal was irrelevant. I said i weigh both performance and value equally. If theres a way to get 240fps at a cheaper cost, why not do it? Otherwise we would recommend i9 9700k 5.1ghz bin from silicon lottery and a 750ti.
And multiple people have posted 3600 benchmarks that seem to indicate that it is possible to get over 240fps in TF2, so theres no real need for anything more powerful if 240fps is the goal. That saved cost can be used for a better GPU, RAM, extra case fans or a cooler, even if it is "only" $50.

Might be the difference between a 2060 S and 2070 S, and we can all agree the stock cooler sucks. Using the B-die trick previously mentioned i easily got 7% more perf compared to stock xmp settings in TF2. And since zen 2 chips can do more than 3466, it will probably be more than that. This is a perfectly valid option.

3600XT will be lower quality silicon than a 3800xt. i dont think the majority will overclock to 4.6Ghz even. How else can a 12 core and 16 core cpu in the same lineup use the same power with near identical clock speeds? Because the 3600XT is a lower quality bin than the top chips. I doubt they would waste many good 4.7ghz 6 core chips on a 3600xt when you need 2 of them for a 3900xt. Just a prediction. But I doubt 3600xts will OC to 4.7.

How can you be so certain that they wont increase the prices for zen 3? They tried that with the navi cards last time. What's stopping them from increasing the prices this time if they have a clearly superior product? There have been no leaks about zen 3 specs or prices yet, so not possible to know this, unless there is some info im unaware about.

If we dont care about increasing minimum fps at all, surely that means a 2.4ghz dual core will feel the same as a 5ghz core i9 right? 240fps is the goal and the closer you are to it the better. i said 240fps wont be attainable so not sure where you got those numbers from. pretty sure those numbers wont "fix" the dips either.

posted 11 months ago
#3650 PC Build Thread in Hardware
Setsul

7% higher clock speeds for 37% more cost for a 3600xt isnt worth it (comparing vs 3600), and I doubt that higher performance will be make or break for 240fps in tf2 anyway. value and performance are equally important imo, especially since you can use that to buy better RAM/GPU. The newer 3600s can overclock higher at lower voltages (compared to launch day silicon) so that 7% gap can be reduced a bit if he is willing to overclock.

waiting for zen 3 is not the equivalent of waiting 2 years, and its been stated numerous times they are on track for Q3 2020. it will probably have 13+% IPC gains and higher clock speeds. Considering a "4600" is likely to be around $250-ish, i think its worth waiting for if "September launch" rumors are to be believed. If he plans to wait for new GPUs, might aswell wait for the new CPUs so the prices will drop on existing parts or if zen 3 is god tier then a 4600 is an option.

based on my past experience with broadwell, which is basically haswell, i dont the 120fps on midfights is normal. something is wrong, whether its unstable, throttling or maybe its a windows/bloat issue. perhaps i remember wrongly, but my fps was not 120 on midfights on any map, even sunshine.

he didnt increase the voltage so theres room for improvement there, as he isnt using a box cooler. he might have a potato tier processor though, who knows. unlikely to get 240fps from an OC but will hopefully fix the dips he was having. stock settings should be stable, about 3.8-3.9ghz in game hopefully. benchmark before and after see if anything changes.

posted 11 months ago
#3648 PC Build Thread in Hardware
Setsul

yes most of the cpus were released on 7/7 last year. used announced/released interchangeably.

But it is true that nothing zen 3 related will be released this month which was the point i was making, and most likely September time, which is what people should wait for not a zen 2 refresh, considering 3600 silicon has also improved.

buying a 3600xt for 100mhz and a increase for 25% more cost isnt worth it at all. especially considering you can buy a 3600 for an even lower price and get most the performance you would get, since they are all on better silicon now. and since zen 3 will be this year, seems a bit wasteful to spend full price on a new cpu that will be released soon. remember 2700x anniversary edition? full price but new cpus came out 3 months later, same situation here.

we are talking

3600 - 4.2ghz
3600x - 4.4ghz
3600xt - 4.5ghz

absolutely not worth it at all.

bearodactyl

if you increase voltage/clocks keep an eye on your temperatures so you dont degrade anything. i think the max recommend voltage is 1.3? if that's too hot for you just decrease the voltage. i wouldn't be comfortable with anything over 85 personally. i think up to 1.4 is safe, as long as you have adequate cooling, which i dont think you have because we are talking dual tower coolers or 280mm AIO.

there should be some haswell overclocking tutorials somewhere on the internet. im sure linustechtips has a decent one.

posted 11 months ago
#3645 PC Build Thread in Hardware

7/7 was when AMD announced new cpus last year. most likely all releases will be in september-ish aswell as for GPUs.

120fps seems a bit low. you might wanna check your temperatures to see you arent overheating or anything related to throttling in HWinfo64, or your OC may not be stable. idk if you have cleaned your pc since you got it, but worst case it can be 5 years without cleaning. might be worthwhile to give it a clean if you have bad temps or have never done it. if we are talking 6v6 (been a while since i was on ddr3 but) i felt like i got more than that at a lower clock speed.

if you havent increased core voltage at all or optimized LLC and stuff you probably have more performance on the table/stability. you either got one of the worst 4770k's known to man or you are doing something wrong. chances are you probably forgot to do something.

SMT can negatively effect your performance in tf2 (and can effect potentially security if you are intel xd), and is most useful for rendering in blender or something like that by like 10-30%. probably wont make a huge difference day to day, although Ryzens is superior.

posted 11 months ago
#3634 PC Build Thread in Hardware

for around 70 pounds you can get a dark rock pro 4, or slightly more expensive Noctua NH-D15 for the upmost in performance+noise. These are pretty much the best air coolers you can buy. Noctua have good customer service also if that is worth anything. But they perform within 1C of each other so probably down to if you like black or beige more.

For less than 60, you can get a Cryorig h7 or a be quiet! dark rock 4, which are also good tower coolers. Ive heard good things about the ThermalRight Macho also, but i cant tell you how it performs off the top of my head.

All of these coolers are AM4 compatible out of the box so no worries there.

I have an NH-D15 and it is very quiet and performs well. It comes with updated AM4 mounting hardware despite what some sites say and low noise adapters to lower maximum RPM speeds. Easy to mount and do maintenance on it too. Just make sure your case can fit it with both fans.

From what I understand, BeQuiet! is a lower frequency but louder, so it isnt noticeable either. I havent tested this personally though so I may be wrong.

posted 11 months ago
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