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#61
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slamborghinihttps://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingFurryWrenchMau5-869GUWO3qiu1sN-9
https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientPlainClamBCouch-6QsGO8dobic1BE1k

all the action is happening lobby & main
no calls theres anyone shutter/bottom right
shoots a perfectly timed, seemingly random pipe and it hits a soldier that is walking in that exact direction???
proceeds to blind det other soldier?

[quote=slamborghini]https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingFurryWrenchMau5-869GUWO3qiu1sN-9
https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientPlainClamBCouch-6QsGO8dobic1BE1k[/quote]
all the action is happening lobby & main
no calls theres anyone shutter/bottom right
shoots a perfectly timed, seemingly random pipe and it hits a soldier that is walking in that exact direction???
proceeds to blind det other soldier?
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#62
-13 Frags +

the way hes calling sounds like he knew that would fuckin happen lol

the way hes calling sounds like he knew that would fuckin happen lol
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#63
2 Frags +

His original excuse for the clearcut clip was that he heard a soldier jump and called 1 soldier hiding. When in reality he called both soldiers hiding and was very confident where they were before even seeing that no soldier is top right (above bunker). I just think its sus as fuck how early he calls it and how confident he is. Literally 50/50 whether a soldier is going to be hiding main or bunker and 0 chance of knowing both of them are hiding at all. The fact that he says he saw it from the death cam is the cherry on top. Literally caught in 4k on stream.

When confronted about the clearcut clip on stream and rewatching the clip to find out he called 2 soldiers hiding instead of 1 he literally said he had no explanation. After watching the metal clip he also had no answer...

His original excuse for the clearcut clip was that he heard a soldier jump and called 1 soldier hiding. When in reality he called both soldiers hiding and was very confident where they were before even seeing that no soldier is top right (above bunker). I just think its sus as fuck how early he calls it and how confident he is. Literally 50/50 whether a soldier is going to be hiding main or bunker and 0 chance of knowing both of them are hiding at all. The fact that he says he saw it from the death cam is the cherry on top. Literally caught in 4k on stream.

When confronted about the clearcut clip on stream and rewatching the clip to find out he called 2 soldiers hiding instead of 1 he literally said he had no explanation. After watching the metal clip he also had no answer...
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#64
50 Frags +

controller player

controller player
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#65
50 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/hTMZMWG.jpg

The Subject Has Developed A Sense Of Irony ...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/hTMZMWG.jpg[/img]
The Subject Has Developed A Sense Of Irony ...
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#66
44 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/570GpVn.png

[img]https://i.imgur.com/570GpVn.png[/img]
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#67
-22 Frags +

So far the weirdest thing is that he's been playing like 10 pugs a day and then suddenly stopped once this thread was made.

So far the weirdest thing is that he's been playing like 10 pugs a day and then suddenly stopped once this thread was made.
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#68
67 Frags +
fxfxfxfxSo far the weirdest thing is that he's been playing like 10 pugs a day and then suddenly stopped once this thread was made.

That tends to happen when he has been temporarily removed from the pug group until this all dies down or a verdict is reached.

[quote=fxfxfxfx]So far the weirdest thing is that he's been playing like 10 pugs a day and then suddenly stopped once this thread was made.[/quote]
That tends to happen when he has been temporarily removed from the pug group until this all dies down or a verdict is reached.
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#69
-14 Frags +
C3rby_fxfxfxfxSo far the weirdest thing is that he's been playing like 10 pugs a day and then suddenly stopped once this thread was made.That tends to happen when he has been temporarily removed from the pug group until this all dies down or a verdict is reached.

Legends never die

[quote=C3rby_][quote=fxfxfxfx]So far the weirdest thing is that he's been playing like 10 pugs a day and then suddenly stopped once this thread was made.[/quote]
That tends to happen when he has been temporarily removed from the pug group until this all dies down or a verdict is reached.[/quote]

Legends never die
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#70
-14 Frags +

Well I don't know about you fellas, but when I see a buck on /tftv/ a hootin' and a hollerin' about buck break posting, tellin' us it ain't funny, well shucks, it just makes me want to break him in harder. I picture him there, with his glistenin' skin and big strong hands typin' furiously on his keyboard. But deep down inside he knows what he's made for. He's made for breaking. And by God, I'll do it for him.

Well I don't know about you fellas, but when I see a buck on /tftv/ a hootin' and a hollerin' about buck break posting, tellin' us it ain't funny, well shucks, it just makes me want to break him in harder. I picture him there, with his glistenin' skin and big strong hands typin' furiously on his keyboard. But deep down inside he knows what he's made for. He's made for breaking. And by God, I'll do it for him.
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#71
-2 Frags +
shinsoslamborghinihttps://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingFurryWrenchMau5-869GUWO3qiu1sN-9
https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientPlainClamBCouch-6QsGO8dobic1BE1k
all the action is happening lobby & main
no calls theres anyone shutter/bottom right
shoots a perfectly timed, seemingly random pipe and it hits a soldier that is walking in that exact direction???
proceeds to blind det other soldier?

I can hear a scout say "Thanks, doc" from behind shutter at 5 seconds. I would assume him to run down through lower, so I would look there. But he found a soldier instead. (kinda) makes sense...

The blind det still makes no sense to me. The only way is if the soldier on ramp called for a det, which he didn't.

[quote=shinso][quote=slamborghini]https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingFurryWrenchMau5-869GUWO3qiu1sN-9
https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientPlainClamBCouch-6QsGO8dobic1BE1k[/quote]
all the action is happening lobby & main
no calls theres anyone shutter/bottom right
shoots a perfectly timed, seemingly random pipe and it hits a soldier that is walking in that exact direction???
proceeds to blind det other soldier?[/quote]

I can hear a scout say "Thanks, doc" from behind shutter at 5 seconds. I would assume him to run down through lower, so I would look there. But he found a soldier instead. (kinda) makes sense...

The blind det still makes no sense to me. The only way is if the soldier on ramp called for a det, which he didn't.
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#72
74 Frags +

we should have a witch-hunt cheater section of the forums so i can sort easily

we should have a witch-hunt cheater section of the forums so i can sort easily
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#73
27 Frags +
magic_shinsoslamborghinihttps://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingFurryWrenchMau5-869GUWO3qiu1sN-9
https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientPlainClamBCouch-6QsGO8dobic1BE1k
all the action is happening lobby & main
no calls theres anyone shutter/bottom right
shoots a perfectly timed, seemingly random pipe and it hits a soldier that is walking in that exact direction???
proceeds to blind det other soldier?

I can hear a scout say "Thanks, doc" from behind shutter at 5 seconds. I would assume him to run down through lower, so I would look there. But he found a soldier instead. (kinda) makes sense...

The blind det still makes no sense to me. The only way is if the soldier on ramp called for a det, which he didn't.

his team has entirely given up the point and he sees a scout has already run through. ppl on this forum will really over analyse spamming doors and detting a trap while leaving lmao (everyone does this). u want him to never det it? you want him to walk all the way back in so he can see the trap?

[quote=magic_][quote=shinso][quote=slamborghini]https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingFurryWrenchMau5-869GUWO3qiu1sN-9
https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientPlainClamBCouch-6QsGO8dobic1BE1k[/quote]
all the action is happening lobby & main
no calls theres anyone shutter/bottom right
shoots a perfectly timed, seemingly random pipe and it hits a soldier that is walking in that exact direction???
proceeds to blind det other soldier?[/quote]

I can hear a scout say "Thanks, doc" from behind shutter at 5 seconds. I would assume him to run down through lower, so I would look there. But he found a soldier instead. (kinda) makes sense...

The blind det still makes no sense to me. The only way is if the soldier on ramp called for a det, which he didn't.[/quote]
his team has entirely given up the point and he sees a scout has already run through. ppl on this forum will really over analyse spamming doors and detting a trap while leaving lmao (everyone does this). u want him to never det it? you want him to walk all the way back in so he can see the trap?
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#74
37 Frags +
cookiejakehttps://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt

https://clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousSteamyNigiriDoritosChip-b3cyqOy_e5A2nPIa

[quote=cookiejake]https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt[/quote]

https://clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousSteamyNigiriDoritosChip-b3cyqOy_e5A2nPIa
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#75
6 Frags +

https://demos.tf/636604#76561198869287223;76561198032531494 https://logs.tf/2925230 https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt

https://demos.tf/636604#76561198869287223;76561198032531494 https://logs.tf/2925230 https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt
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#76
-2 Frags +
Murk_the_Scribecookiejakehttps://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt
https://clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousSteamyNigiriDoritosChip-b3cyqOy_e5A2nPIa

Don't let your lying eyes deceive you

[quote=Murk_the_Scribe][quote=cookiejake]https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt[/quote]

https://clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousSteamyNigiriDoritosChip-b3cyqOy_e5A2nPIa[/quote]

Don't let your lying eyes deceive you
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#77
41 Frags +

cheater thread-ly reminder that STV demos blow cock for hitscan cheating discussion

cheater thread-ly reminder that STV demos blow cock for hitscan cheating discussion
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#78
UGC
22 Frags +

I am not defending much of what I see here, cause all this shit looks sketchy af, but posting clips of blind dets seems like data dredging (or p-hacking) to me. If sin streams most of his games/scrims/pugs and most of the players he plays against also stream, the ability to select clips of him blind detting automatically increases far beyond that of other demos who don't stream. I could easily be wrong (since I do not play with him or against him) and he is known across the board for these blind dets constantly. There being a handful of clips of him blind detting doesn't seem that sketchy, as people are only showing the clips of him doing anything successful with his blind dets, and ignoring all the other blind dets that get nothing.

tl:dr he probably is cheating, but cherrypicking clips of him blind detting isn't really indicative of anything on its own. I am sure you could go through streams of other demos and find them getting lucky dets too. Is he cheating? Looks like it from the offset, but the cherrypicked blind det clips seem irrelevant and only creates more of a witch-hunty environment in my opionion. Interested to see how RGL addresses this.

I am not defending much of what I see here, cause all this shit looks sketchy af, but posting clips of blind dets seems like data dredging (or p-hacking) to me. If sin streams most of his games/scrims/pugs and most of the players he plays against also stream, the ability to select clips of him blind detting automatically increases far beyond that of other demos who don't stream. I could easily be wrong (since I do not play with him or against him) and he is known across the board for these blind dets constantly. There being a handful of clips of him blind detting doesn't seem that sketchy, as people are only showing the clips of him doing anything successful with his blind dets, and ignoring all the other blind dets that get nothing.

tl:dr he probably is cheating, but cherrypicking clips of him blind detting isn't really indicative of anything on its own. I am sure you could go through streams of other demos and find them getting lucky dets too. Is he cheating? Looks like it from the offset, but the cherrypicked blind det clips seem irrelevant and only creates more of a witch-hunty environment in my opionion. Interested to see how RGL addresses this.
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#79
23 Frags +

https://www.twitch.tv/xattuu_/clip/PowerfulHedonisticBulgogiWOOP

https://www.twitch.tv/xattuu_/clip/PowerfulHedonisticBulgogiWOOP
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#80
10 Frags +
loafehttps://www.twitch.tv/xattuu_/clip/PowerfulHedonisticBulgogiWOOP

rofl rewatching this and laughing because of the screams

[quote=loafe]https://www.twitch.tv/xattuu_/clip/PowerfulHedonisticBulgogiWOOP[/quote]
rofl rewatching this and laughing because of the screams
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#81
-4 Frags +
GeneralNickposting clips of blind dets seems like data dredging (or p-hacking) to me.

it doesn't when 90% are explainable

[quote=GeneralNick]posting clips of blind dets seems like data dredging (or p-hacking) to me.[/quote]
it doesn't when 90% are explainable
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#82
-4 Frags +
K4RMAhttps://demos.tf/636604#76561198869287223;76561198032531494 https://logs.tf/2925230 https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt

Bro why are you using an stv demo? Like okay maybe you don't record your povs outside of matches but don't pretend that looking at the stv is more useful than your stream vod.

[quote=K4RMA]https://demos.tf/636604#76561198869287223;76561198032531494 https://logs.tf/2925230 https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseColorfulSharkRaccAttack-gJ6ar25PsWSHB3Kt[/quote]

Bro why are you using an stv demo? Like okay maybe you don't record your povs outside of matches but don't pretend that looking at the stv is more useful than your stream vod.
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#83
30 Frags +
Jojobut don't pretend that looking at the stv is more useful than your stream vod.

Except actually it is? The stream vod is missing a whole chunk due to his internet lagging out

[quote=Jojo]but don't pretend that looking at the stv is more useful than your stream vod.[/quote]
Except actually it is? The stream vod is missing a whole chunk due to his internet lagging out
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#84
5 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/cegDTvf.png

This frame, which is the peak of the flick, doesn't exist in the stv demo because stvs don't record all of the information. Maybe the stream vod is useless and doesn't prove anything, but the stv certainly doesn't disprove anything.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/cegDTvf.png[/img]

This frame, which is the peak of the flick, doesn't exist in the stv demo because stvs don't record all of the information. Maybe the stream vod is useless and doesn't prove anything, but the stv certainly doesn't disprove anything.
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#85
22 Frags +

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that his stream lagged out and skipped
https://streamable.com/vobgmx

Sure, but it's pretty obvious that his stream lagged out and skipped
https://streamable.com/vobgmx
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#86
10 Frags +
turbochad69Sure, but it's pretty obvious that his stream lagged out and skipped
https://streamable.com/vobgmx

Yea this is literally what I was trying to say, just didn’t think to record it frame by frame.

[quote=turbochad69]Sure, but it's pretty obvious that his stream lagged out and skipped
https://streamable.com/vobgmx[/quote]

Yea this is literally what I was trying to say, just didn’t think to record it frame by frame.
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#87
-11 Frags +

Ppl just mad that they ain’t a 6S DEMON like sin_b0tma

Ppl just mad that they ain’t a 6S DEMON like sin_b0tma
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#88
-6 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPex0KLwbPQ

Haters seething about this generational talent uprooting the status quo.

Don't ask him why - ask him, "how?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPex0KLwbPQ

Haters seething about this generational talent uprooting the status quo.

Don't ask him why - ask him, "how?"
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#89
20 Frags +

Ok the metalworks clip has been debunked and the blind dets arent too convincing, but what about the soldier clip where he is clearly locking on to the scout and shooting unhittable directs?

Ok the metalworks clip has been debunked and the blind dets arent too convincing, but what about the soldier clip where he is clearly locking on to the scout and shooting unhittable directs?
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#90
4 Frags +

he was lagging, obviously!

he was lagging, obviously!
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