Hello

We've been through this rigmarole enough times, and yet the script seems to be the same each time. Here are some helpful tips to remember for when cheaters emerge

1. Please note your bias. Friends/ Teammates of the accused person: you are inherently biased. Even though you have "played with" "been friends with" whoever, it doesn't mean much for if they decided to cheat or not. I highly doubt that you have gone through the effort to vet your friends by watching their demos, so rather than spew nothing burgers about how they "would never cheat", contribute to the conversation/ research/ explanation if you wish to defend them.

2. I had a fairly significant amount of people reach out to me as some sort of lead investigator. I literally just opened the stv and screen recorded. I provided you all the same links to do the same, and I encourage multiple people to do so in the future.

3. Use RGL Cheat report. It's silly to have this here because from my perspective, the AC team had requested all of his demos and this thread had been in the public eye for quite a while, so I presumed nothing would come of it. I went through the motions of submitting 2 demos and like 5 ticks this past weekend, and he was banned today.

Cheaters are going to exist, and they will only get better at hiding it. We should be more efficient in catching them. Shoutout kyle

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https://youtu.be/cb-QUCXnIpM
rgl lan

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198856496005

lol, here's another

https://www.twitch.tv/firesidecasts/clip/SwissSpineyPlumageRlyTho-fTK4zopo6wtPWwq2

I do agree with what's been said about all this slow playback stuff. I don't have my pc for the foreseeable future, so can't really contribute much evidence wise but I would like to see discussion on more than just the one sniper clip:

-Is there a way to determine if the flicks are perfectly straight?
-What is the likelihood of stopping and shooting on the same frame? (Especially that snakewater last airshot)
-How about the brief pauses in the flicks where his crosshair stops moving and then continues to flick in the same direction but in a straighter line and faster speed? (Snakewater second flicking to the right, snakewater mid on the first soldier flicking to the right)

This is an absolutely terrible argument that contributes very little to the conversation at hand. We are looking and asking for an explanation. Can you show me "any player" that can transition mid-flick to traveling in a straight line, stop and fire perfectly on the same frame with zero overshoot. (Multiple times in the same game, mind you) There are thousands of demo players with videos and public stvs demos. I've never seen this.

If you would like to contribute and actually try to defend yen, that's fine! Show an example of someone doing these things and that they're human. You have a practically infinite supply of demos and videos to pull examples from, it is my prediction that you will not find any that are this consistent.

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He actually does return to the exact spot. (I can make a video tomorrow showing you) if you watch my yen3 video at 0.25x speed and go frame by frame, use the ticks as a guide:
The second frame of tick 55953 is the exact moment the flick starts (goes from down and right to up and right)
The flick happens
The moment the medigun appears (first frame of tick 55961) (his crosshair is at the nose of it) is where the flick ends
You can actually see a continuation of his down and rightward movement in the following frames (when the critical hit text appears) this is where I believe you think he ends his flick lower

Clip 1. Play at 0.25x speed. (Watch where his charge empties and the bolt disappears for the moment he shoots). The flick starts at the scouts gun, goes up towards his head. He shoots at the top right corner of the leftmost barrel, goes left for 2 frames, and then swipes right

Clip 2. Does return to where the shot started, but it's very clearly a triangle motion (up, left, then down) not a straight line

Clip 3. The flick leading to the right is a much shallower angle, and the flick after the shot is much steeper down. Also of note is that there is a distinct change in speed while his crosshair is closest to the head and as it continues down. This is a human motion of him slowing down

(Also what mild said, plus the literal frame perfect demo shots, imagine if those were a scout clips of someone flicking, coming to a perfect dead stop and shooting on the first frame)

thanks for responding!
I don't see what you see...
to me, the medic shot is the only one that exhibits a clear flick back to the point where the flick started. all other flicks are in one direction. can you give me a timestamp from milds video (full speed or slomo) which shows any other flicks (that hit or not) doing this?

i see there are some micro-adjustments after some shots with little jitters, but no large, straight line, fast (large jump between frames) flicks that also happen to return to the beginning of the flick

https://youtu.be/Hdseuj57bpE
i got one more in me

links:
youngman doc with videos
yens pov demo @29000 @84500

what do you guys think? ive stopped seeing potential explanations since the pov demos were shared, so im interested if theres something im missing. are there people who have seen all the clips and believe he isnt cheating?

This should be the last post I need to make regarding yen...

https://youtu.be/cPtjs5-8kxY
this is a pov demo recording where you can clearly see him
-hit his aim key
-begin travelling in a perfectly straight line
-come to a dead stop
-fire pipe at the moment he stops
-then his human flicking is done to mask it afterward

this happens in both clips.
here is the a plain yt video of the raw clips
(the pov demo is the one posted by fuzze above)

https://youtu.be/rwpztaHV6Ao
low and behold... his pov looks identical

here are the links:
original spectator video
log
YENS POV DEMO (clip is @ 55500)
video explaining pSilent

(I highly recommend you download and watch through the entirety of him playing sniper, there's more but I just wanted to get this video out)

while i agree with the dramatic flick, i think its important to emphasize why the yen clips stand out.

watch all 3 of the shots again. watch the slow motion and use < and > to go frame by frame.
yen fires his pipes at the exact stopping point of all of the flicks.

this is not shared in the daz flick (you can clearly see his crosshair overshoot and also go frame by frame and see when his ammo count diminishes and when the pipe is shot)

https://youtu.be/HfmtxQ3zZ_g
thanks for the feedback, here's another cool clip!

same stv link (@127500)

just wanted to quickly mention to those youtube comments defending yen:

it's fine to defend him, but at least say that shit with your chest here in the forum. you look silly!
I posted the video because I found it worth discussing. come join the discussion and share your insight if you have something to say

more to come...