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included middle ban
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#61
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BloodisSetsulThe team "Papa's special" should get a Minor Warning under Rule 1.6 for not submitting the Golden Cap screenshot.

For reference: https://etf2l.org/matches/80741/
3.2. Status & Scoreboard screenshots required

If any map screenshots are missing after the match result deadline and its result has not yet been verified by the teams, both will receive a Minor Warning. Missing console status screenshots will be punished with a Minor Warning even if the teams verify the result.

As far as I'm concerned, you don't need to upload any scoreboard screenshots if the team that sends the results has ensured that they are correct and enemy team verifies them accordingly. Of course it is better to upload the screenshots anyways to avoid further complications and to further ensure that your own team won't get any warnings at all even if the small ones can be removed afterwards.
And admins are the ones that will know if the teams have both verified the results together, so I will assume that it is the case here because otherwise the minor warning is required to be put in place if the enemy team did not verify the match results, but an admin did so for them.

Status screenshots though, are always mandatory with no exceptions.

Well yes, but I was talking about rule 1.6, not 3.2. If 1.7 can be used to ban people for throwing, even though it's not mentioned at all, then 1.6 should at least be enough for a minor warning in this case.

1.6 is very exploitable by the way.

1.7. Committing or supporting fraud is strictly forbidden

1.6. Warnings may lead to point deduction and/or removal from a competition
Major Warnings:
Any attempts of fraud

https://imgur.com/rCu9Nyt
Since included_middle was apparently banned based on rule 1.7, I conclude that his team also should've received a major warning.

[quote=Bloodis][quote=Setsul]The team "Papa's special" should get a Minor Warning under Rule 1.6 for not submitting the Golden Cap screenshot.

For reference: https://etf2l.org/matches/80741/[/quote]

[quote]3.2. Status & Scoreboard screenshots required

If any map screenshots are missing after the match result deadline [b]and its result has not yet been verified by the teams[/b], both will receive a Minor Warning. Missing console status screenshots will be punished with a Minor Warning even if the teams verify the result.[/quote]

As far as I'm concerned, you don't need to upload any scoreboard screenshots if the team that sends the results has ensured that they are correct and enemy team verifies them accordingly. Of course it is better to upload the screenshots anyways to avoid further complications and to further ensure that your own team won't get any warnings at all even if the small ones can be removed afterwards.
And admins are the ones that will know if the teams have both verified the results together, so I will assume that it is the case here because otherwise the minor warning is required to be put in place if the enemy team did not verify the match results, but an admin did so for them.

Status screenshots though, are always mandatory with no exceptions.[/quote]
Well yes, but I was talking about rule 1.6, not 3.2. If 1.7 can be used to ban people for throwing, even though it's not mentioned at all, then 1.6 should at least be enough for a minor warning in this case.

1.6 is very exploitable by the way.
[quote]1.7. Committing or supporting fraud is strictly forbidden

1.6. Warnings may lead to point deduction and/or removal from a competition
Major Warnings:
Any attempts of fraud[/quote]
https://imgur.com/rCu9Nyt
Since included_middle was apparently banned based on rule 1.7, I conclude that his team also should've received a major warning.
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#62
15 Frags +

why would you even report middle, what he did was fucking funny, i get the frustration and all, but if you lost its definetly not just because of one med death

why would you even report middle, what he did was fucking funny, i get the frustration and all, but if you lost its definetly not just because of one med death
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#63
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kinda scary how you can get banned at any point in time just because the admins want to, no matter how perfect and rule abiding you are

kinda scary how you can get banned at any point in time just because the admins want to, no matter how perfect and rule abiding you are
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#64
4 Frags +

Seems really targeted and disproportionate. One would wonder why it happened this way.

Seems really targeted and disproportionate. One would wonder why it happened this way.
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#65
5 Frags +

https://i.gyazo.com/a17aa3a5601f52d684283868edf922a0.png

He got unbanned

[img]https://i.gyazo.com/a17aa3a5601f52d684283868edf922a0.png[/img]

He got unbanned
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#66
17 Frags +

Sodium >>>>>> Sigafoo

Sodium >>>>>> Sigafoo
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#67
-17 Frags +

don't really get the logic of "just let his team handle it and admins stay out of it", since it seems his team are the ones who reported him?

3 months is excessive, I think reducing it to a warning was a fair decision

don't really get the logic of "just let his team handle it and admins stay out of it", since it seems his team are the ones who reported him?

3 months is excessive, I think reducing it to a warning was a fair decision
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#68
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dempseydon't really get the logic of "just let his team handle it and admins stay out of it", since it seems his team are the ones who reported him?

3 months is excessive, I think reducing it to a warning was a fair decision

I think that the 3 months ban is excessive especially in period of nations cup for middle, but i still think, he still has to be punished for that, its the job to amin to find the right penalty (for example ban 1/2 month after nations cup)

[quote=dempsey]don't really get the logic of "just let his team handle it and admins stay out of it", since it seems his team are the ones who reported him?

3 months is excessive, I think reducing it to a warning was a fair decision[/quote]

I think that the 3 months ban is excessive especially in period of nations cup for middle, but i still think, he still has to be punished for that, its the job to amin to find the right penalty (for example ban 1/2 month after nations cup)
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#69
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#70
EssentialsTF
10 Frags +

I agree with the decision to remove the ban on middle, I think that the Admins were wrong on their part and their overturning was needed. If efforts must be made to prevent people throwing in officials more work needs to be done to determine what 'throwing' actually means within ETF2L. Its clear in the past year or so the admin team has tried to be more proactive in reducing the amount of bad actors who play with their changes in harassment policy and increased number of bans for toxic behaviour. Which is a good thing. But this seemed to be a case of overcorrection and they seemed to have dealt with this respectably; no badmouthing, little hostility from the admins, and no public spectacle.

I agree with the decision to remove the ban on middle, I think that the Admins were wrong on their part and their overturning was needed. If efforts must be made to prevent people throwing in officials more work needs to be done to determine what 'throwing' actually means within ETF2L. Its clear in the past year or so the admin team has tried to be more proactive in reducing the amount of bad actors who play with their changes in harassment policy and increased number of bans for toxic behaviour. Which is a good thing. But this seemed to be a case of overcorrection and they seemed to have dealt with this respectably; no badmouthing, little hostility from the admins, and no public spectacle.
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#71
0 Frags +

I don't understand why etf2l needs to ban people for throwing in officials? Not everyone plays this game to win every game and be professional. Sure if there were a bunch of money involved I would get it but some people just wanna play for fun. Also where would you draw the line? Let the teams handle this by themselves instead. Also the fact that it's 3 months is pretty fucked up, but honestly its more fucked up that it's even a ban at all.

I don't understand why etf2l needs to ban people for throwing in officials? Not everyone plays this game to win every game and be professional. Sure if there were a bunch of money involved I would get it but some people just wanna play for fun. Also where would you draw the line? Let the teams handle this by themselves instead. Also the fact that it's 3 months is pretty fucked up, but honestly its more fucked up that it's even a ban at all.
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#72
17 Frags +
albaI don't understand why etf2l needs to ban people for throwing in officials? Not everyone plays this game to win every game and be professional. Sure if there were a bunch of money involved I would get it but some people just wanna play for fun. Also where would you draw the line? Let the teams handle this by themselves instead. Also the fact that it's 3 months is pretty fucked up, but honestly its more fucked up that it's even a ban at all.

That's what the rules already are.

Somehow someone decided to ban included_middle anyway.

Trying to expand the matchfixing/betting rules to cover "throwing" to justify banning a player from a dropped team is the wrong hill to die on.

That's why the ban has already been reversed.

[quote=alba]I don't understand why etf2l needs to ban people for throwing in officials? Not everyone plays this game to win every game and be professional. Sure if there were a bunch of money involved I would get it but some people just wanna play for fun. Also where would you draw the line? Let the teams handle this by themselves instead. Also the fact that it's 3 months is pretty fucked up, but honestly its more fucked up that it's even a ban at all.[/quote]
That's what the rules already are.

Somehow someone decided to ban included_middle anyway.

Trying to expand the matchfixing/betting rules to cover "throwing" to justify banning a player from a dropped team is the wrong hill to die on.

That's why the ban has already been reversed.
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#73
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Enough is enough. Will we really let the engineer-maining elites control all of TF2? They control the sponsors, the prize money, the leagues. My personal belief is that anyone who mains engineer is evil and should be banned.

Enough is enough. Will we really let the engineer-maining elites control all of TF2? They control the sponsors, the prize money, the leagues. My personal belief is that anyone who mains engineer is evil and should be banned.
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#74
5 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tZA7Q0sRH4 yo when we banning haiva

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tZA7Q0sRH4 yo when we banning haiva
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#75
-21 Frags +

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edit: accident lol

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edit: accident lol
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#76
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mustardoverlordAh, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...

Can we take this accidental necro as an opportunity to admire how fucking dogshit this post is

[quote=mustardoverlord]Ah, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...[/quote]

Can we take this accidental necro as an opportunity to admire how fucking dogshit this post is
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#77
-7 Frags +

ratio + mustard better

ratio + mustard better
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#78
-26 Frags +

hey I served my time for that post (imagine a jew getting banned from tftv for making a german joke, anti-semitism is truly out of control...)

hey I served my time for that post (imagine a jew getting banned from tftv for making a german joke, anti-semitism is truly out of control...)
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#79
13 Frags +
mustardoverlord

you are a shit that won't flush

[quote=mustardoverlord][/quote]
you are a shit that won't flush
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#80
1 Frags +

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/540/hgh08Pez.jpeg

[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/540/hgh08Pez.jpeg[/img]
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#81
-4 Frags +

i cant tell if mustard is trolling or genuinely stupid anymore and its stressing me out

i cant tell if mustard is trolling or genuinely stupid anymore and its stressing me out
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#82
-2 Frags +
DomoCatFacemustardoverlordyou are a shit that won't flush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmmjnEdtx8

[quote=DomoCatFace][quote=mustardoverlord][/quote]
you are a shit that won't flush[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmmjnEdtx8
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