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included middle ban
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#1
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what do you guys think about it?
imo it's weird that he got banned for killbinding once when people that threw entire officials didn't receive any bans.
https://etf2l.org/forum/user/95442/
https://etf2l.org/etf2l/bans/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc3NqJ7EcmI&ab_channel=zambz

what do you guys think about it?
imo it's weird that he got banned for killbinding once when people that threw entire officials didn't receive any bans.
https://etf2l.org/forum/user/95442/
https://etf2l.org/etf2l/bans/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc3NqJ7EcmI&ab_channel=zambz
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#2
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he doesn't deserve

he doesn't deserve
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#3
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#4
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how is it 3 months? the team also folded already

how is it 3 months? the team also folded already
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#7
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dannyFrom what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know

Not sure why you're acting all innocent when firstly you're the person who told him to killbind, then you reported him to the admins and lastly have taken great joy since seeing the news of him getting banned.....

[quote=danny]From what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know[/quote]

Not sure why you're acting all innocent when firstly you're the person who told him to killbind, then you reported him to the admins and lastly have taken great joy since seeing the news of him getting banned.....
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S4mski

holy shit, ive never seen somebody get so utterly decimated on literally all fronts available O.O

[quote=S4mski][/quote]

holy shit, ive never seen somebody get so utterly decimated on literally all fronts available O.O
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#9
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dannyFrom what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know

You report him then write this comment, nice one mate
Racism banned 1 month
"Throwing" by killbinding banned 3 month
Etf2l moment

[quote=danny]From what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know[/quote]

You report him then write this comment, nice one mate
Racism banned 1 month
"Throwing" by killbinding banned 3 month
Etf2l moment
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#10
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Seems more like setting an example for others

An lft medic at this point in the season would probably just be roster riding.
The 6s roster they were on now has JoeN + Leila combo so that seems to be the case here

asking "why punish them if the roster folded anyway?" isn't the right question to ask imo
They were punished because of the roster fold, not despite of it.
If the team had stuck together despite the map loss, admins wouldn't have punished the entire team after that setback.

This ban could be relevant for the highlander nations cup, though they have Leila + JoeN on there too. Idk the plan for their team though. Maybe Middle was main roster for another class.

Only way I could see this being harsh is if this ban overlaps with the start of next highlander season and middle just wanted to play main roster again (they were subbing on SDCK previous season). Idk the timing on that. Feel free to point it out if this is the case

Seems more like setting an example for others

An lft medic at this point in the season would probably just be roster riding.
The 6s roster they were on now has JoeN + Leila combo so that seems to be the case here

asking "why punish them if the roster folded anyway?" isn't the right question to ask imo
They were punished because of the roster fold, not despite of it.
If the team had stuck together despite the map loss, admins wouldn't have punished the entire team after that setback.

This ban could be relevant for the highlander nations cup, though they have Leila + JoeN on there too. Idk the plan for their team though. Maybe Middle was main roster for another class.

Only way I could see this being harsh is if this ban overlaps with the start of next highlander season and middle just wanted to play main roster again (they were subbing on SDCK previous season). Idk the timing on that. Feel free to point it out if this is the case
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#11
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TobSeems more like setting an example for others

An lft medic at this point in the season would probably just be roster riding.
The 6s roster they were on now has JoeN + Leila combo so that seems to be the case here

asking "why punish them if the roster folded anyway?" isn't the right question to ask imo
They were punished because of the roster fold, not despite of it.
If the team had stuck together despite the map loss, admins wouldn't have punished the entire team after that setback.

This ban could be relevant for the highlander nations cup, though they have Leila + JoeN on there too. Idk the plan for their team though. Maybe Middle was main roster for another class.

Only way I could see this being harsh is if this ban overlaps with the start of next highlander season and middle just wanted to play main roster again (they were subbing on SDCK previous season). Idk the timing on that. Feel free to point it out if this is the case

Tob you're probably looking at the wrong 6s team - middle was on this team as medic (the team he was playing for during "the incident") - https://etf2l.org/teams/32041/

Once the team folded he joined the joe + leila 6s team as a sub

[quote=Tob]Seems more like setting an example for others

An lft medic at this point in the season would probably just be roster riding.
The 6s roster they were on now has JoeN + Leila combo so that seems to be the case here

asking "why punish them if the roster folded anyway?" isn't the right question to ask imo
They were punished because of the roster fold, not despite of it.
If the team had stuck together despite the map loss, admins wouldn't have punished the entire team after that setback.

This ban could be relevant for the highlander nations cup, though they have Leila + JoeN on there too. Idk the plan for their team though. Maybe Middle was main roster for another class.

Only way I could see this being harsh is if this ban overlaps with the start of next highlander season and middle just wanted to play main roster again (they were subbing on SDCK previous season). Idk the timing on that. Feel free to point it out if this is the case[/quote]

Tob you're probably looking at the wrong 6s team - middle was on this team as medic (the team he was playing for during "the incident") - https://etf2l.org/teams/32041/

Once the team folded he joined the joe + leila 6s team as a sub
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#12
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!concede

!concede
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S4mskidannyFrom what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know
Not sure why you're acting all innocent when firstly you're the person who told him to killbind, then you reported him to the admins and lastly have taken great joy since seeing the news of him getting banned.....

We were scrimming multiple times a week, doing POV and Team reviews with everybody in the team (other than Middle) and I said that as an obvious joke and even told him not to in panic when I realised he would actually do it, since it seemed so far fetched to me that someone would actually throw away a much needed win like that on purpose, wouldn't you agree? You're talking about this like I edged him and pushed him on to killbind when I just made an off the cuff joke that I thought we would just laugh about in an intense moment in the game while we were on the brink of winning a map in an official.

I was not the only one on my team that reported him, nor was the fact that I reported him even questioned by others, and until he was actually banned nobody disagreed with me that what he did was fucked up and should not go unpunished, never did I personally suggest to the admins that he should be banned nor did I imply that it would fair to do so, I agree that he was banned, like I said given what happened 3 Months is too long.

[quote=S4mski][quote=danny]From what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know[/quote]

Not sure why you're acting all innocent when firstly you're the person who told him to killbind, then you reported him to the admins and lastly have taken great joy since seeing the news of him getting banned.....[/quote]

We were scrimming multiple times a week, doing POV and Team reviews with everybody in the team (other than Middle) and I said that as an obvious joke and even told him not to in panic when I realised he would actually do it, since it seemed so far fetched to me that someone would actually throw away a much needed win like that on purpose, wouldn't you agree? You're talking about this like I edged him and pushed him on to killbind when I just made an off the cuff joke that I thought we would just laugh about in an intense moment in the game while we were on the brink of winning a map in an official.

I was not the only one on my team that reported him, nor was the fact that I reported him even questioned by others, and until he was actually banned nobody disagreed with me that what he did was fucked up and should not go unpunished, never did I personally suggest to the admins that he should be banned nor did I imply that it would fair to do so, I agree that he was banned, like I said given what happened 3 Months is too long.
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#14
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i throw harder than this daily someone perma ban me

i throw harder than this daily someone perma ban me
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#15
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danny never did I personally suggest to the admins that he should be banned nor did I imply that it would fair to do so, I agree that he was banned, like I said given what happened 3 Months is too long.

Bit confused as to what you think admins would do when you reported him if you don't immediately link that to the potential of a ban? What was your goal by reporting it then if not to get him banned?

Additionally given your celebrations at him being banned I am gonna call bs on this entire statement anyway....

[quote=danny] never did I personally suggest to the admins that he should be banned nor did I imply that it would fair to do so, I agree that he was banned, like I said given what happened 3 Months is too long.[/quote]

Bit confused as to what you think admins would do when you reported him if you don't immediately link that to the potential of a ban? What was your goal by reporting it then if not to get him banned?

Additionally given your celebrations at him being banned I am gonna call bs on this entire statement anyway....
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#16
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S4mskidannyFrom what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know
Not sure why you're acting all innocent when firstly you're the person who told him to killbind, then you reported him to the admins and lastly have taken great joy since seeing the news of him getting banned.....

any proof or are we just dishing out claims?

[quote=S4mski][quote=danny]From what I heard he was reported multiple times and the ban is based off of other stuff aswell, that being said I agree that 3 months would be way too harsh of a ban for just this incident, but im not familiar with the other stuff at all so i don't really know[/quote]

Not sure why you're acting all innocent when firstly you're the person who told him to killbind, then you reported him to the admins and lastly have taken great joy since seeing the news of him getting banned.....[/quote]

any proof or are we just dishing out claims?
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#17
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hey bro here's a quick tip !! just dont pick up a troll for ur ultra serious tryhard team? just cut him ? u said he wasnt showing up to maptalks etc so u knew he didn't actually care about the team and u knew he was the type of player to killbind if u were to say it.

hey bro here's a quick tip !! just dont pick up a troll for ur ultra serious tryhard team? just cut him ? u said he wasnt showing up to maptalks etc so u knew he didn't actually care about the team and u knew he was the type of player to killbind if u were to say it.
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This ban looks like a joke the expense of league rules. Would middle still get a ban if admins saw the evidence of what happened but didn't get any reports from his teammates? If there is "other stuff", why isn't it mentioned in the ban reason? How long do you get banned for if you decide to eat sandvich in spawn instead of defending your last?

This ban looks like a joke the expense of league rules. Would middle still get a ban if admins saw the evidence of what happened but didn't get any reports from his teammates? If there is "other stuff", why isn't it mentioned in the ban reason? How long do you get banned for if you decide to eat sandvich in spawn instead of defending your last?
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smziany proof or are we just dishing out claims?dannyI was not the only one on my team that reported him, nor was the fact that I reported him even questioned by others

wipe your glasses old man

[quote=smzi]any proof or are we just dishing out claims?[/quote]
[quote=danny]I was not the only one on my team that reported him, nor was the fact that I reported him even questioned by others[/quote]
wipe your glasses old man
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#20
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jnkismziany proof or are we just dishing out claims?dannyI was not the only one on my team that reported him, nor was the fact that I reported him even questioned by otherswipe your glasses old man

i get the reported part but i dont see the celebrating, if there is a party over middles ban i wanna be invited!

I am bringing all the badmins

[quote=jnki][quote=smzi]any proof or are we just dishing out claims?[/quote]
[quote=danny]I was not the only one on my team that reported him, nor was the fact that I reported him even questioned by others[/quote]
wipe your glasses old man[/quote]

i get the reported part but i dont see the celebrating, if there is a party over middles ban i wanna be invited!

I am bringing all the badmins
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Ah, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...

Ah, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...
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mustardoverlordAh, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392361292310118403/868538496263016448/unknown.png?width=634&height=676

[quote=mustardoverlord]Ah, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...[/quote]
[img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392361292310118403/868538496263016448/unknown.png?width=634&height=676[/img]
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S4mski

I should've been more clear on that. Sorry if that part was confusing

After the fold Middle joined JoeN's team. But JoeN's always going to try to play w Leila.
Even if it's intended as subbing, the odds of Middle actually playing an official is close to zero.
Maybe it was an actual sub spot, but I personally don't see a big difference from roster riding considering the roster it was on

I could be totally wrong on this. I'm just using the few observations I have access to

mustardoverlordAh, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...

yikes

[quote=S4mski][/quote]
I should've been more clear on that. Sorry if that part was confusing

After the fold Middle joined JoeN's team. But JoeN's always going to try to play w Leila.
Even if it's intended as subbing, the odds of Middle actually playing an official is close to zero.
Maybe it was an actual sub spot, but I personally don't see a big difference from roster riding considering the roster it was on

I could be totally wrong on this. I'm just using the few observations I have access to

[quote=mustardoverlord]Ah, how quickly do Germans default to their favorite excuse "I was just following orders"

Some things never change...[/quote]
yikes
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#24
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It was just a prank bro...

It was just a prank bro...
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TobAfter the fold Middle joined JoeN's team. But JoeN's always going to try to play w Leila.

You realise middle doesnt main medic right? he would be subbing scout since he is an aimer gamer

[quote=Tob]
After the fold Middle joined JoeN's team. But JoeN's always going to try to play w Leila.
[/quote]
You realise middle doesnt main medic right? he would be subbing scout since he is an aimer gamer
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#26
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Given some of the recent shorter bans for more egregious stuff, the 3 month ban seemed excessive to me at first.

However, if you blatantly throw an official, particularly to the extent it kills your team, you probably shouldn't be allowed to hop roster and play again the same season. Perhaps 2 months would suffice though.

Nothing against Middle, who is a pleasant gentleman.

Given some of the recent shorter bans for more egregious stuff, the 3 month ban seemed excessive to me at first.

However, if you blatantly throw an official, particularly to the extent it kills your team, you probably shouldn't be allowed to hop roster and play again the same season. Perhaps 2 months would suffice though.

Nothing against Middle, who is a pleasant gentleman.
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Dave_the_IrateGiven some of the recent shorter bans for more egregious stuff, the 3 month ban seemed excessive to me at first.

However, if you blatantly throw an official, particularly to the extent it kills your team, you probably shouldn't be allowed to hop roster and play again the same season. Perhaps 2 months would suffice though.

Nothing against Middle, who is a pleasant gentleman.

Bro you just copypasted that from Discord and added 1 line at the end. Thought you're more original than that Dave...

[quote=Dave_the_Irate]Given some of the recent shorter bans for more egregious stuff, the 3 month ban seemed excessive to me at first.

However, if you blatantly throw an official, particularly to the extent it kills your team, you probably shouldn't be allowed to hop roster and play again the same season. Perhaps 2 months would suffice though.

Nothing against Middle, who is a pleasant gentleman.[/quote]
Bro you just copypasted that from Discord and added 1 line at the end. Thought you're more original than that Dave...
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#28
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obviously this ban is a complete joke you cant even draw the line at what point "throwing" an official starts, people offclassing excessively?, medic having a crucial drop? fail push? playing with multiple mercs? - and the length is also just ridiculous compared to what people have got in the past for e.g. not submitting demos multiple times, racism, flaming etc

The fact middle got reported should not even matter because what this will lead to is that people just call out someone for trolling their official and getting him banned for 3 months...btw calling out gazy for running perma pyro in a GF surely that guy is just throwing

obviously this ban is a complete joke you cant even draw the line at what point "throwing" an official starts, people offclassing excessively?, medic having a crucial drop? fail push? playing with multiple mercs? - and the length is also just ridiculous compared to what people have got in the past for e.g. not submitting demos multiple times, racism, flaming etc

The fact middle got reported should not even matter because what this will lead to is that people just call out someone for trolling their official and getting him banned for 3 months...btw calling out gazy for running perma pyro in a GF surely that guy is just throwing
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https://youtu.be/msOC2cBgnXs?t=279

https://youtu.be/msOC2cBgnXs?t=279
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#30
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it's alright guys we can go over it in the demo review

it's alright guys we can go over it in the demo review
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