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are steroids worth it ?
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#31
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Roids wont fix your dysphoria

Roids wont fix your dysphoria
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#32
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i knew 100% its a niko thread before clicking

i knew 100% its a niko thread before clicking
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#33
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alfa
Never did I say die, but if you wanna become bald, get kidney/liver issues, increased cancer risk and high blood pressure go for it

And yea sure arnold is one example, do some research and see how many others get their lives absolutely destroyed by getting cancer or a heart attack in their later years. None of it is ever a guarantee but a huge risk for legit 0 reason.

cool story, fool
however
1) ur ballsack will shrink with age anyway. it wont shrink with steroids if u'll jump off them right.
2) balding happens only for those who are "destined" to get bald by genetics. in that case, steroids will accelerate hairloss and that's it.
3) liver issues are usually caused by oral steroids. not by injections. only an idiot would use oral steroids anyway.
4) somatotropin is mostly in fault for cancer risks. its mostly useless for a random gym rat, more of a pro kind of the drug
5) blood pressure, yeah, should be in control. however, the most common reason for increased blood pressure — quick watery mass gain, which is not a common thing.

summin this up, the guy askin this whole thing here is an idiot for 99%, however, even with synth testesterone alone u can get good gains but u should be in control of lotta things.

[quote=alfa]

Never did I say die, but if you wanna become bald, get kidney/liver issues, increased cancer risk and high blood pressure go for it

And yea sure arnold is one example, do some research and see how many others get their lives absolutely destroyed by getting cancer or a heart attack in their later years. None of it is ever a guarantee but a huge risk for legit 0 reason.[/quote]

cool story, fool
however
1) ur ballsack will shrink with age anyway. it wont shrink with steroids if u'll jump off them right.
2) balding happens only for those who are "destined" to get bald by genetics. in that case, steroids will accelerate hairloss and that's it.
3) liver issues are usually caused by oral steroids. not by injections. only an idiot would use oral steroids anyway.
4) somatotropin is mostly in fault for cancer risks. its mostly useless for a random gym rat, more of a pro kind of the drug
5) blood pressure, yeah, should be in control. however, the most common reason for increased blood pressure — quick watery mass gain, which is not a common thing.

summin this up, the guy askin this whole thing [i]here[/i] is an idiot for 99%, [b]however[/b], even with synth testesterone alone u can get good gains but u should be in control of lotta things.
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#34
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Like sam said the problem you are having has very little to do with your physique and clearly stems from self-esteem issues.
Confidence comes from the inside, you don't build lasting self-esteem by building your body. If you take this approach you will never be satisfied with your looks, because the deeper problem of low self-esteem and self acceptance hasn't been addressed. Bodybuilding is clearly an incredibly beneficial and rewarding activity, but in this case it alone wont solve your problems.

As for the dating aspect: women care way more about your personality than your looks, which will be hard to accept if you are coming from this alpha male bodybuilder perspective.
Obviously being in good shape and being physically attractive is a plus, but when it comes to dating what you should focus on is how you carry yourself: your confidence, sense of humor, social skills, independence, emotional stability..
Really if your goal is to have a lot of sex with a bunch of different women aka do pick up, there is lots of resources out there for how to do it and your physique is definitely not gonna be a limiting factor.

I know you will make the right call on this one niko, its not worth ruining your health and longetivity over this stuff.

Like sam said the problem you are having has very little to do with your physique and clearly stems from self-esteem issues.
Confidence comes from the inside, you don't build lasting self-esteem by building your body. If you take this approach you will never be satisfied with your looks, because the deeper problem of low self-esteem and self acceptance hasn't been addressed. Bodybuilding is clearly an incredibly beneficial and rewarding activity, but in this case it alone wont solve your problems.

As for the dating aspect: women care way more about your personality than your looks, which will be hard to accept if you are coming from this alpha male bodybuilder perspective.
Obviously being in good shape and being physically attractive is a plus, but when it comes to dating what you should focus on is how you carry yourself: your confidence, sense of humor, social skills, independence, emotional stability..
Really if your goal is to have a lot of sex with a bunch of different women aka do pick up, there is lots of resources out there for how to do it and your physique is definitely not gonna be a limiting factor.

I know you will make the right call on this one niko, its not worth ruining your health and longetivity over this stuff.
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#35
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better physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?

better physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?
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#36
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fooqpbetter physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?

I'm defo not saying you should try to impress women with your philosophy knowledge. :D
You can see buff dudes who are crazy insecure about themselves everywhere you go, you can also see skinny and even fat guys with really hot girlfriends everywhere you go. As a man your first assumption is going to be that women are more interested in good looks because that is likely how you rate women, but it generally doesn't work the same way the other way around.

Yeah sure you can improve your confidence by bodybuilding, but as you can see here it alone won't bring lasting and sustainable high self esteem, because that comes from the inside and has less to do with your looks, financial situation or social status.

[quote=fooqp]better physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?[/quote]

I'm defo not saying you should try to impress women with your philosophy knowledge. :D
You can see buff dudes who are crazy insecure about themselves everywhere you go, you can also see skinny and even fat guys with really hot girlfriends everywhere you go. As a man your first assumption is going to be that women are more interested in good looks because that is likely how you rate women, but it generally doesn't work the same way the other way around.

Yeah sure you can improve your confidence by bodybuilding, but as you can see here it alone won't bring lasting and sustainable high self esteem, because that comes from the inside and has less to do with your looks, financial situation or social status.
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#37
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steroids are worth it if you lost ur balls in an accident

steroids are worth it if you lost ur balls in an accident
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#38
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funhaver1998i knew 100% its a niko thread before clicking

this thread is extremely uncharacteristic of me

[quote=funhaver1998]i knew 100% its a niko thread before clicking[/quote]
this thread is extremely uncharacteristic of me
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#39
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I finished my first year studying engineering physics in university. Decided I didn't want to spend the next 4 years studying in a boring anti-social environment just for a degree to work in a lab to make money and feel secure and raise a family and find a wife and reproduce land put kids through school and die and be content with existing operating as a gear in a machine.

I said fuck that and took a year off to reevaluate my life

In Georgia I trained with the sickest cunts and made the maddest gains; training in underground post Soviet Union facilities. You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.

I finished my first year studying engineering physics in university. Decided I didn't want to spend the next 4 years studying in a boring anti-social environment just for a degree to work in a lab to make money and feel secure and raise a family and find a wife and reproduce land put kids through school and die and be content with existing operating as a gear in a machine.

I said fuck that and took a year off to reevaluate my life

In Georgia I trained with the sickest cunts and made the maddest gains; training in underground post Soviet Union facilities. You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.
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#40
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Each large muscle of a bodybuilder represents a language he didn't learn, a poem he didn't read, a fun fact he never memorized.

Each large muscle of a bodybuilder represents a language he didn't learn, a poem he didn't read, a fun fact he never memorized.
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#41
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fooqpalfa
Never did I say die, but if you wanna become bald, get kidney/liver issues, increased cancer risk and high blood pressure go for it

And yea sure arnold is one example, do some research and see how many others get their lives absolutely destroyed by getting cancer or a heart attack in their later years. None of it is ever a guarantee but a huge risk for legit 0 reason.

cool story, fool
however
1) ur ballsack will shrink with age anyway. it wont shrink with steroids if u'll jump off them right.
2) balding happens only for those who are "destined" to get bald by genetics. in that case, steroids will accelerate hairloss and that's it.
3) liver issues are usually caused by oral steroids. not by injections. only an idiot would use oral steroids anyway.
4) somatotropin is mostly in fault for cancer risks. its mostly useless for a random gym rat, more of a pro kind of the drug
5) blood pressure, yeah, should be in control. however, the most common reason for increased blood pressure — quick watery mass gain, which is not a common thing.

summin this up, the guy askin this whole thing here is an idiot for 99%, however, even with synth testesterone alone u can get good gains but u should be in control of lotta things.
niko You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.

Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

[quote=fooqp][quote=alfa]

Never did I say die, but if you wanna become bald, get kidney/liver issues, increased cancer risk and high blood pressure go for it

And yea sure arnold is one example, do some research and see how many others get their lives absolutely destroyed by getting cancer or a heart attack in their later years. None of it is ever a guarantee but a huge risk for legit 0 reason.[/quote]

cool story, fool
however
1) ur ballsack will shrink with age anyway. it wont shrink with steroids if u'll jump off them right.
2) balding happens only for those who are "destined" to get bald by genetics. in that case, steroids will accelerate hairloss and that's it.
3) liver issues are usually caused by oral steroids. not by injections. only an idiot would use oral steroids anyway.
4) somatotropin is mostly in fault for cancer risks. its mostly useless for a random gym rat, more of a pro kind of the drug
5) blood pressure, yeah, should be in control. however, the most common reason for increased blood pressure — quick watery mass gain, which is not a common thing.

summin this up, the guy askin this whole thing [i]here[/i] is an idiot for 99%, [b]however[/b], even with synth testesterone alone u can get good gains but u should be in control of lotta things.[/quote]
[quote=niko] You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.[/quote]

Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
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#42
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If you wanna be a top-level competitor, it's kinda required. If not, why bother?

If you wanna be a top-level competitor, it's kinda required. If not, why bother?
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#43
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nikoI finished my first year studying engineering physics in university. Decided I didn't want to spend the next 4 years studying in a boring anti-social environment just for a degree to work in a lab to make money and feel secure and raise a family and find a wife and reproduce land put kids through school and die and be content with existing operating as a gear in a machine.

I said fuck that and took a year off to reevaluate my life

In Georgia I trained with the sickest cunts and made the maddest gains; training in underground post Soviet Union facilities. You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.

and yet you're still being a beta arguing about steroids on a team fortress 2 forum. go and lift and come back when you weigh more than 140 soaking wet

[quote=niko]I finished my first year studying engineering physics in university. Decided I didn't want to spend the next 4 years studying in a boring anti-social environment just for a degree to work in a lab to make money and feel secure and raise a family and find a wife and reproduce land put kids through school and die and be content with existing operating as a gear in a machine.

I said fuck that and took a year off to reevaluate my life

In Georgia I trained with the sickest cunts and made the maddest gains; training in underground post Soviet Union facilities. You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.[/quote]

and yet you're still being a beta arguing about steroids on a team fortress 2 forum. go and lift and come back when you weigh more than 140 soaking wet
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#44
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Unicorn_WizardnikoI finished my first year studying engineering physics in university. Decided I didn't want to spend the next 4 years studying in a boring anti-social environment just for a degree to work in a lab to make money and feel secure and raise a family and find a wife and reproduce land put kids through school and die and be content with existing operating as a gear in a machine.

I said fuck that and took a year off to reevaluate my life

In Georgia I trained with the sickest cunts and made the maddest gains; training in underground post Soviet Union facilities. You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.

and yet you're still being a beta arguing about steroids on a team fortress 2 forum. go and lift and come back when you weigh more than 140 soaking wet

sees soviet union and smooth na brain erupts

[quote=Unicorn_Wizard][quote=niko]I finished my first year studying engineering physics in university. Decided I didn't want to spend the next 4 years studying in a boring anti-social environment just for a degree to work in a lab to make money and feel secure and raise a family and find a wife and reproduce land put kids through school and die and be content with existing operating as a gear in a machine.

I said fuck that and took a year off to reevaluate my life

In Georgia I trained with the sickest cunts and made the maddest gains; training in underground post Soviet Union facilities. You natty twigs can downfrag me all you want. I am just speaking the truth your ego that you so heavily invested in the idea of natty glory doesn’t want you to hear.[/quote]

and yet you're still being a beta arguing about steroids on a team fortress 2 forum. go and lift and come back when you weigh more than 140 soaking wet[/quote]
sees soviet union and smooth na brain erupts
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#45
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nikoare steroids worth it ?

yea

[quote=niko]are steroids worth it ?[/quote]

yea
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#46
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this thread was commisioned by pasko
i did not write this thread
but i was instructed to
as a favour

this thread was commisioned by pasko
i did not write this thread
but i was instructed to
as a favour
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#47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-KkrmmKj6w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-KkrmmKj6w
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#48
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fooqpbetter physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?

oh my god u know so much about women please god have sex with me

[quote=fooqp]better physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?[/quote]

oh my god u know so much about women please god have sex with me
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#49
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be careful not to take too much creatine by the way

i used to supplement it but more and more protein powders/bars include it in their base recipe

so you end up taking double, which makes you dehydrated as shit

be careful not to take too much creatine by the way

i used to supplement it but more and more protein powders/bars include it in their base recipe

so you end up taking double, which makes you dehydrated as shit
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#50
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Virgil
oh my god u know so much about women please god have sex with me

u have to be 18 or older then we talk

[quote=Virgil]

oh my god u know so much about women please god have sex with me[/quote]

u have to be 18 or older then we talk
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#51
3 Frags +

You are letting body dysmorphia affect your decisions. There was this dude on Reddit (Reddit cringe ik) who asked something similar about heroin. Ofc everyone said no. The poster explained that he'd done other drugs and been fine without any signs of an addiction and did H anyway. He ended up documenting how it fucked up his life and his road to recovery. Please don't make that same mistake.

In the end it's your decision (if this really is your thread), but seriously, it's not worth.

Another thing worth noting is muscles aren't the only attractive thing. As a bi dude, I can tell you 100% that anyone attracted to men has their own preference for a body type: hairy, skinny, jacked, dad bod, etc. It's corny as shit but how you act as a person is way more attractive than anything else.

You are letting body dysmorphia affect your decisions. There was this dude on Reddit (Reddit cringe ik) who asked something similar about heroin. Ofc everyone said no. The poster explained that he'd done other drugs and been fine without any signs of an addiction and did H anyway. He ended up documenting how it fucked up his life and his road to recovery. Please don't make that same mistake.

In the end it's your decision (if this really is your thread), but seriously, it's not worth.

Another thing worth noting is muscles aren't the only attractive thing. As a bi dude, I can tell you 100% that anyone attracted to men has their own preference for a body type: hairy, skinny, jacked, dad bod, etc. It's corny as shit but how you act as a person is way more attractive than anything else.
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#52
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fooqpbetter physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?

Having a "good personality" is a lot different than knowing some esoteric corpus of things. It usually includes things like confidence, kindness, perspective, etc.. It can look pretty different from person to person because people tend to have differences. Regardless of the person though, a good personality comes from a place of good health and good self-confidence. If you're trying to be liked by other people, there are a million ways you can try to game that, but the best way to be liked is to figure out what you like and don't like about yourself, and then celebrate and enjoy the things you like, and acknowledge your faults and feel good that you are aware of them and working to improve them.

It's not that looks don't matter at all to women, it's just that looks are very, very far from everything. Its pretty common to feel insecure about the way you look. Exercising is part of a healthy way to deal with that feeling--exercise is an all-around good thing for you, and looking better definitely helps with confidence (and, I think more importantly, exercise directly helps tons with your mental well-being). Looking better isn't the whole thing though. The other part of dealing with that feeling in a healthy way is accepting how you look, accepting the body you have, and accepting that looks are not everything. Your life has so much more to it than sex. Sex can be pretty great, but its much better if you're not doing it primarily in a naive attempt to fill some deep insecurity you have about your self-worth. Everything else in life is also better if you're secure with yourself.

[quote=fooqp]better physical condition gives you more confidence
saying women care more about personality isn't true, they judge by ur looks at first then comes ur personality which is normal. like do u really think if i look like a mess, woman at the first date would care if i know what Bataille wrote in 1944?[/quote]
Having a "good personality" is a lot different than knowing some esoteric corpus of things. It usually includes things like confidence, kindness, perspective, etc.. It can look pretty different from person to person because people tend to have differences. Regardless of the person though, a good personality comes from a place of good health and good self-confidence. If you're trying to be liked by other people, there are a million ways you can try to game that, but the best way to be liked is to figure out what you like and don't like about yourself, and then celebrate and enjoy the things you like, and acknowledge your faults and feel good that you are aware of them and working to improve them.

It's not that looks don't matter at all to women, it's just that looks are very, very far from everything. Its pretty common to feel insecure about the way you look. Exercising is part of a healthy way to deal with that feeling--exercise is an all-around good thing for you, and looking better definitely helps with confidence (and, I think more importantly, exercise directly helps tons with your mental well-being). Looking better isn't the whole thing though. The other part of dealing with that feeling in a healthy way is accepting how you look, accepting the body you have, and accepting that looks are not everything. Your life has so much more to it than sex. Sex can be pretty great, but its much better if you're not doing it primarily in a naive attempt to fill some deep insecurity you have about your self-worth. Everything else in life is also better if you're secure with yourself.
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#53
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JoesMonkeyLand

all im trying to say is that if there's a chance "im" not attractive for a certain woman, she wont care about "my" personality, she'll just passively (most likely) dissmiss any attempt to let the talk flow. you can clearly see when a person is barely interested talkin.

shit like tinder wouldnt be big in market if it wasnt about look at most.

[quote=JoesMonkeyLand][/quote]

all im trying to say is that if there's a chance "im" not attractive for a certain woman, she wont care about "my" personality, she'll just passively (most likely) dissmiss any attempt to let the talk flow. you can clearly see when a person is barely interested talkin.

shit like tinder wouldnt be big in market if it wasnt about look at most.
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#54
1 Frags +

Tinder is geared toward hookups because of that, though. You also need to realize that while, yes, physical attraction matters, being attractive is an actual skill and Tinder is literally set up to only be about physical attraction but a bio means as much as how you look on there. And ofc a girl will be bored on Tinder. You know how easy it is to find a match if you are one?

Tinder is geared toward hookups because of that, though. You also need to realize that while, yes, physical attraction matters, being attractive is an actual skill and Tinder is literally set up to only be about physical attraction but a bio means as much as how you look on there. And ofc a girl will be bored on Tinder. You know how easy it is to find a match if you are one?
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#55
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rickrigatoniEach large muscle of a bodybuilder represents a language he didn't learn, a poem he didn't read, a fun fact he never memorized.

lmao

[quote=rickrigatoni]Each large muscle of a bodybuilder represents a language he didn't learn, a poem he didn't read, a fun fact he never memorized.[/quote]
lmao
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#56
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https://i.imgur.com/ikuX6Kf.jpg

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ikuX6Kf.jpg[/img]
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#57
0 Frags +

what the fuck is going on

what the fuck is going on
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#58
0 Frags +

dont do stereoids they're literally for pussies and ur a big man :muscle:

keep grinding and even if ur metabolism is worse than my grandma's understanding of technology,
you'll eventually become buff asf

half of the time people who take stereoids also look like abnormal and really unattractive just go natural bro no boost

dont do stereoids they're literally for pussies and ur a big man :muscle:

keep grinding and even if ur metabolism is worse than my grandma's understanding of technology,
you'll eventually become buff asf

half of the time people who take stereoids also look like abnormal and really unattractive just go natural bro no boost
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#59
2 Frags +

its American culture to be on steroids, celebs go on training regimes with steroids to gain the right body for a movie or look at every American Tour de France winner lmao. Doesnt matter if ur balls shrink if u already removed the best part of your dick. Just do crime and lift in the jail yard if u want to be ripped legit.

its American culture to be on steroids, celebs go on training regimes with steroids to gain the right body for a movie or look at every American Tour de France winner lmao. Doesnt matter if ur balls shrink if u already removed the best part of your dick. Just do crime and lift in the jail yard if u want to be ripped legit.
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#60
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How do those steroid balloon people wipe their ass?? or scratch their back???

How do those steroid balloon people wipe their ass?? or scratch their back???
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