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BTS LAN: In Memoriam
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December 9, 2019

Prelude

RGL has recently announced their LAN Invite playoffs for RGL Season 2. As the first event of its kind since ESEA Season 18, it may do well to look back at the tragic epic of the recently departed BTS LAN and finally bring some semblance of closure to the community.

Since the end of the Rewind LANs, many efforts have been made to bring international competition back to the Land of the Free, beginning with the failed Episode III, whose collapse was detailed here. This is where our story begins.

I. Beyond the Summit

It is the weekend of January 11th, and rather than marking another world championship match on American soil, these days instead mark the fateful meeting of samiface, Dashner, and Console-, where the seeds of what would become known as BTS LAN emerged. To summarize months of effort among the group and loris, a proposal was sent, a contract was signed, and more organizers were recruited, including one tsc as tournament admin, all completed just past the ending of i65. Here is where things began to grow rocky. Numerous individuals in the community were revealed to be engaging in inappropriate relations with minors, and Beyond the Summit enforced tough restrictions on marketing and branding. On the latter point, BTS representatives wanted to emphasize how the LAN was merely to be hosted, not organized or sponsored by BTS, and thus limited the use of their branding towards the event. Nevertheless, for the purposes of clarity, the event will continue to be called “BTS LAN” for the remainder of the article.

Even combined, none of these minor stressors really posed a serious threat to the LAN, which instead owed its initial demise to the departure of key staff members as a result of two major events. First, Console- privately discussed with samiface the former’s personal relationship with Dashner, which was later detailed in a since-deleted thread and a subsequent Dexerto article. This ultimately led to both production leads departing from the event.

The final nail in the coffin resulted from alfa's public lament of his team’s exclusion from the event. Despite placing third in the qualifying tournament, alfa was barred from competing after organizers privately obtained complaints regarding his personal conduct. Subsequent community backlash caused tsc to step down as tournament director. With this loss of staff, samiface publicly announced the cancellation of the project the following day, notably without consulting any other staff members.

II. Revival

After samiface's surprise announcement cancelling the project, the remaining staff members took up the difficult task of reviving the event. This was a major uphill battle, faced with the task of obtaining a new venue as more and more teams cancelled by the day.

The team first tried to reach back out to BTS, but were met with this response:

From the beginning, this tournament was the project of [samiface] and her team. Our role was to provide a venue and equipment for their staff to use during the LAN. I believe they were still looking into branding and titling for their event until recently. As her team has effectively dissolved, I don't see the event going forward in our space as they'd planned.

With the loss of the original venue, the task was set to find a new space in a nearby location on the same days, as to accommodate the original travel plans made for BTS LAN. Through ESL staff member mitch, ESL's Burbank venue was floated as a possible option, and online searching (through the popular internet search engine Google) yielded UC Irvine as another possibility. Organizers were initially reluctant to reach out to Esports Arena, the organizer for the two Rewind LANs, due to prior conflicts. Eventually, however, a local community representative offered to meet in-person with ESA representatives.

Initially, things looked positive. ESL quickly replied and agreed to meet, while UC Irvine went as far to confirm availability for the suggested dates and provide a pricing outline. Unfortunately, progress quickly broke down over the next few days. ESL proved unable to confirm availability for their venue until roughly mid-December, and UC Irvine suddenly ceased communication. On the ESA front, they found that their venues were unavailable for the days required for LAN. With the loss of all venue possibilities nearly two weeks after the initial cancellation, staff were again forced to put down the event, this time for good.

Conclusion

While TF2 is still left without an international North American LAN for the foreseeable future, any lessons taken from this experience will hopefully benefit efforts in the future. For now, we can all satiate our LAN withdrawal with the upcoming RGL and RGB LANs, while building anticipation for the future. In that spirit, we leave you with the parting words of the BTS staff.

The crew of organizers behind this recent attempt remain optimistic about the future of Team Fortress 2 LAN tournaments in North America. It is our hope that in January 2021 North America can host a premier TF2 event that matches the caliber of Copenhagen Games and InsomniaLAN.

Update (12/12/2019):

A reference to XIAO was removed after the information was revealed to be second-hand hearsay originated from Dashner.
All remaining information is believed to be accurate, although corrections will be added if needed.

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#1
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F for BTS LAN, hopefully we won't fail 3 times in a row

F for BTS LAN, hopefully we won't fail 3 times in a row
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#2
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Alfa Killed Lan

Alfa Killed Lan
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#3
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Truly unfortunate that it had to happen this way. I guess next time we'll be more prepared tho

Truly unfortunate that it had to happen this way. I guess next time we'll be more prepared tho
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#4
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Posting in epic thread!

Posting in epic thread!
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#5
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Dankk_Truly unfortunate that it had to happen this way. I guess next time we'll be more prepared tho

This is horribly naive of you to say

[quote=Dankk_]Truly unfortunate that it had to happen this way. I guess next time we'll be more prepared tho[/quote]

This is horribly naive of you to say
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#6
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samiface first tournament organizer to go 0-2

samiface first tournament organizer to go 0-2
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#7
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lol 6s

lol 6s
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eXtelevision
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The final nail in the coffin resulted from alfa's public lament of his team’s e[X]clusion from the event.

Article could be a lot more detailed in some points, and kind of goes of on some tangents on other points. No disrespect to TSC but I think this article paints the TSC/Alfa situation as being a bigger deal than it was. Samiface cancelled with a grenade on her way out because of all the other drama, not because TSC was gone. I'm sure it added to Samiface's stress levels before she pulled the pin, and it is a notable facet of this event, but I don't think it was the "final nail".

The organizers scrambled to organize a bootcamp for XIAO, numerous individuals in the community were revealed to be engaging in inappropriate relations with minors, and Beyond the Summit enforced tough restrictions on marketing and branding.

This is an odd sentence, because the bootcamp issue is just an organizational thing that doesn't have any relevance regarding the events cancellation. The second part isn't relevant in this conteXt, the players being banned from RGL had nothing to do with this event... ... until it was revealed that Dashner was defending the potential of Nursey attending, a facet of this incident that was unmentioned in the article. The third part is something that was understood and clear from the beginning based off the contract that Samiface signed. It sounds negative towards BeyondTheSummit and I think that after this whole thing we should be thankful to them for the initial chance that they gave us, and remorseful that a great opportunity for them and us was fucked up.

Same with UCI, ESA, and ESL. They all wanted to help out as they could and we should be thankful for their assistance in trying to find a solution. I'm very hopeful for the future of NA TF2 LANs because of the offers of help we got. People would love to help support Competitive TF2.

While Alfa kicked up a decent storm, the major issues with the event were Dashner arguing that Nursey should be allowed to attend (then brushing off concerns about the stance because Nursey wasn't planning on attending), Dashner being Dashner, and Samiface's stance towards Dashner's accusers. The last facet was something else that was left out of the article.

Wish something could have been figured out, I tried to help how I could.

Thanks for writing something up.

[quote]The final nail in the coffin resulted from alfa's public lament of his team’s e[X]clusion from the event.[/quote]

Article could be a lot more detailed in some points, and kind of goes of on some tangents on other points. No disrespect to TSC but I think this article paints the TSC/Alfa situation as being a bigger deal than it was. Samiface cancelled with a grenade on her way out because of all the other drama, not because TSC was gone. I'm sure it added to Samiface's stress levels before she pulled the pin, and it is a notable facet of this event, but I don't think it was the "final nail".

[quote]The organizers scrambled to organize a bootcamp for XIAO, numerous individuals in the community were revealed to be engaging in inappropriate relations with minors, and Beyond the Summit enforced tough restrictions on marketing and branding. [/quote]

This is an odd sentence, because the bootcamp issue is just an organizational thing that doesn't have any relevance regarding the events cancellation. The second part isn't relevant in this conteXt, the players being banned from RGL had nothing to do with this event... ... until it was revealed that Dashner was defending the potential of Nursey attending, a facet of this incident that was unmentioned in the article. The third part is something that was understood and clear from the beginning based off the contract that Samiface signed. It sounds negative towards BeyondTheSummit and I think that after this whole thing we should be thankful to them for the initial chance that they gave us, and remorseful that a great opportunity for them and us was fucked up.

Same with UCI, ESA, and ESL. They all wanted to help out as they could and we should be thankful for their assistance in trying to find a solution. I'm very hopeful for the future of NA TF2 LANs because of the offers of help we got. People would love to help support Competitive TF2.

While Alfa kicked up a decent storm, the major issues with the event were Dashner arguing that Nursey should be allowed to attend (then brushing off concerns about the stance because Nursey wasn't planning on attending), Dashner being Dashner, and Samiface's stance towards Dashner's accusers. The last facet was something else that was left out of the article.

Wish something could have been figured out, I tried to help how I could.

Thanks for writing something up.
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#9
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eXtineWhile Alfa kicked up a decent storm, the major issues with the event were Dashner arguing that Nursey should be allowed to attend (then brushing off concerns about the stance because Nursey wasn't planning on attending)

So unless something happened that I have no idea about (entirely possible with this shitfest tbh) but from what I know, no one (including dashner) ever actually argued for nursey attending. From what I know dashner took a "not my problem or call to make" stance and didn't care (this is shitty in and of itself sure, but its far from defending) and as for the rest of the team not being concerned with the issue and not making a statement that made some sense up until the alfa shit happened, but even when that happened the admins wanted to keep that quiet and not public as well. Tbh the nursey shit was blown out of proportion by the community due to lack of information, and this blow up is what caused the problems, not the issue in and of it self.

[quote=eXtine]
While Alfa kicked up a decent storm, the major issues with the event were Dashner arguing that Nursey should be allowed to attend (then brushing off concerns about the stance because Nursey wasn't planning on attending)[/quote]


So unless something happened that I have no idea about (entirely possible with this shitfest tbh) but from what I know, no one (including dashner) ever actually argued for nursey attending. From what I know dashner took a "not my problem or call to make" stance and didn't care (this is shitty in and of itself sure, but its far from defending) and as for the rest of the team not being concerned with the issue and not making a statement that made some sense up until the alfa shit happened, but even when that happened the admins wanted to keep that quiet and not public as well. Tbh the nursey shit was blown out of proportion by the community due to lack of information, and this blow up is what caused the problems, not the issue in and of it self.
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#10
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nice writeup but interesting to label alfa situ as the final nail in the coffin rather than idk the nonce running the event or the other person running the event fully supporting said nonce

nice writeup but interesting to label alfa situ as the final nail in the coffin rather than idk the nonce running the event or the other person running the event fully supporting said nonce
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eXtelevision
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Tino_Tbh the nursey shit was blown out of proportion by the community due to lack of information, and this blow up is what caused the problems, not the issue in and of it self.

It did get blown out of proportion, but the facts of the matter as you laid out are still upsetting to me. Nursey had a lifetime ban from RGL issued that she didn't appeal, to put your hands up in the air as an organizer and say you don't have to take a stance because Nursey isn't planning on attending is ridiculous, especially considering what she was banned for. As soon as it blipped on the radar as a possibility it should have been quickly addressed privately with a firm NO and creating guidelines for other potential cases. They didn't clearly define any sort of policy for why a player should or shouldn't be banned from attending as a player, talent, or attendee. This lack of procedure obviously came back to bite them when they mishandled the situation with Alfa.

This event was a massive failure, I hope current and future organizers learn as many lessons as they can from its collapse.

[quote=Tino_]Tbh the nursey shit was blown out of proportion by the community due to lack of information, and this blow up is what caused the problems, not the issue in and of it self.[/quote]

It did get blown out of proportion, but the facts of the matter as you laid out are still upsetting to me. Nursey had a lifetime ban from RGL issued that she didn't appeal, to put your hands up in the air as an organizer and say you don't have to take a stance because Nursey isn't planning on attending is ridiculous, especially considering what she was banned for. As soon as it blipped on the radar as a possibility it should have been quickly addressed privately with a firm NO and creating guidelines for other potential cases. They didn't clearly define any sort of policy for why a player should or shouldn't be banned from attending as a player, talent, or attendee. This lack of procedure obviously came back to bite them when they mishandled the situation with Alfa.

This event was a massive failure, I hope current and future organizers learn as many lessons as they can from its collapse.
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#12
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To be fair my post came before any of the dashner drama, so it was more of a catalyst than a nail in the coffin. Not my fault those people went 0-2 as organizers.

To be fair my post came before any of the dashner drama, so it was more of a catalyst than a nail in the coffin. Not my fault those people went 0-2 as organizers.
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#13
27 Frags +

Sigafoo: RIP BTS but I'm different

Sigafoo: RIP BTS but I'm different
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#14
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extineAs soon as it blipped on the radar as a possibility it should have been quickly addressed privately with a firm NO and creating guidelines for other potential cases.

To jut to be clear, this was done in private. The issue was talked about with her and the outcome was she was not coming to the event period. The entire philosophy that the upper management people took (for good or bad) was keep any drama as quiet as possible and deal with these things in private. Its what they tried to do with the alfa situation and is what they did with the nursey situation. The framing that "oh people just didn't actually care" or "they wanted her to come and were keeping it secret" is just incorrect. I dont care what people think about the decision, I just want people to know what actually happened rather than them spinning these wild tales about X or Y that don't really hold any basis in reality.

[quote=extine]As soon as it blipped on the radar as a possibility it should have been quickly addressed privately with a firm NO and creating guidelines for other potential cases.[/quote]


To jut to be clear, this was done in private. The issue was talked about with her and the outcome was she was not coming to the event period. The entire philosophy that the upper management people took (for good or bad) was keep any drama as quiet as possible and deal with these things in private. Its what they tried to do with the alfa situation and is what they did with the nursey situation. The framing that "oh people just didn't actually care" or "they wanted her to come and were keeping it secret" is just incorrect. I dont care what people think about the decision, I just want people to know what actually happened rather than them spinning these wild tales about X or Y that don't really hold any basis in reality.
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#15
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Tino_extineAs soon as it blipped on the radar as a possibility it should have been quickly addressed privately with a firm NO and creating guidelines for other potential cases.
To jut to be clear, this was done in private. The issue was talked about with her and the outcome was she was not coming to the event period. The entire philosophy that the upper management people took (for good or bad) was keep any drama as quiet as possible and deal with these things in private.

Except it was not dealt with in private at all, literally I got 0 answers and no action from anyone until I created a thread. So it's really weird for you to say it was "done in private" when nothing actually got done. Are you implying that if the same course of action was followed towards Nursey, then I guess it was right to say they would have allowed her to attend BTS since no action was taken? Or are you implying "action" goes as far as leaving decision making to 1 or 2 people and then forgetting that decision ever happened. It blew my mind when I asked several other members of the admin team and they had no fucking idea I even got banned, like what kind of shitshow were you people running that it got that bad?

[quote=Tino_][quote=extine]As soon as it blipped on the radar as a possibility it should have been quickly addressed privately with a firm NO and creating guidelines for other potential cases.[/quote]


To jut to be clear, this was done in private. The issue was talked about with her and the outcome was she was not coming to the event period. The entire philosophy that the upper management people took (for good or bad) was keep any drama as quiet as possible and deal with these things in private.[/quote]

Except it was not dealt with in private at all, literally I got 0 answers and no action from anyone until I created a thread. So it's really weird for you to say it was "done in private" when nothing actually got done. Are you implying that if the same course of action was followed towards Nursey, then I guess it was right to say they would have allowed her to attend BTS since no action was taken? Or are you implying "action" goes as far as leaving decision making to 1 or 2 people and then forgetting that decision ever happened. It blew my mind when I asked several other members of the admin team and they had no fucking idea I even got banned, like what kind of shitshow were you people running that it got that bad?
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Just to be clear "I" was not running shit. Yell at me all you want, but you are yelling at a wall because I honestly don't care and you need to get over it.

Secondly, the situation was dealt with because the reasoning for nursey is EXTREMELY obvious and not anything like what your situation was. Your specific issue, and what it entails is much different and to try and equate them as the same thing is disingenuous as shit.

Just to be clear "I" was not running shit. Yell at me all you want, but you are yelling at a wall because I honestly don't care and you need to get over it.

Secondly, the situation was dealt with because the reasoning for nursey is EXTREMELY obvious and not anything like what your situation was. Your specific issue, and what it entails is much different and to try and equate them as the same thing is disingenuous as shit.
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#17
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Tino_Its what they tried to do with the alfa situation and is what they did with the nursey situation.Tino_Your specific issue, and what it entails is much different and to try and equate them as the same thing is disingenuous as shit.

uhhhh... hello??

and no one is yelling, I'm stating what is seen from the outside

[quote=Tino_]Its what they tried to do with the[b] alfa situation[/b] [u][b]and[/b][/u] is what they did with the[b] nursey situation[/b].[/quote]

[quote=Tino_]Your specific issue, and what it entails is much different and to try and equate them as the same thing is disingenuous as shit.[/quote]

uhhhh... hello??

and no one is yelling, I'm stating what is seen from the outside
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#18
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Sorry, wasn't aware this was a nuanced situation that required explanation.

You were both talked to.

nursey was dealt with because the reasoning was extremely obvious.

But because your specific situation had more shit going on with it the reasoning for the ban was withheld from just about everyone. (I still have no fucking clue and really dont care anyways).

I say they were both dealt with because people in the admin team talked to both of you. You being unsatisfied or not getting a hard reason is different then the conversations not happening.

You trying to equate your lack of satisfaction, with something actually happening or a stance being taken is the disingenuous part.

The two situations were different, the only way that they are similar at all is people were not able to come to the event.

Sorry, wasn't aware this was a nuanced situation that required explanation.

You were both talked to.

nursey was dealt with because the reasoning was extremely obvious.

But because your specific situation had more shit going on with it the reasoning for the ban was withheld from just about everyone. (I still have no fucking clue and really dont care anyways).

I say they were both dealt with because people in the admin team talked to both of you. You being unsatisfied or not getting a hard reason is different then the conversations not happening.

You trying to equate your lack of satisfaction, with something actually happening or a stance being taken is the disingenuous part.

The two situations were different, the only way that they are similar at all is people were not able to come to the event.
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#19
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Ok great thanks man, just because an admin talks to people means they have dealt with the situation. The substance of what they say does not matter as long as they said words. Seriously, it's just incredible to me that you find any reasoning in that decision making logical. We should start banning people for no reason and then tell them "you're banned" as a resolution. Great, it was the same logic that my team didn't even get asked to go to LAN at all but alba was asked to scrap together a euro mix and attempt to go to California.

Ok great thanks man, just because an admin talks to people means they have dealt with the situation. The substance of what they say does not matter as long as they said words. Seriously, it's just incredible to me that you find any reasoning in that decision making logical. We should start banning people for no reason and then tell them "you're banned" as a resolution. Great, it was the same logic that my team didn't even get asked to go to LAN at all but alba was asked to scrap together a euro mix and attempt to go to California.
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#20
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just so you know the reasoning for trying to get the european team was that the team that had stepped down, was a european team. your team had not been promised a spot, and if there wasn't a euro team to fill that spot your team would have been invited. it's not like we were actively avoiding ur team, we had promised bts a lan with a strong international presence so we were trying to keep the same amount of international teams

just so you know the reasoning for trying to get the european team was that the team that had stepped down, was a european team. your team had not been promised a spot, and if there wasn't a euro team to fill that spot your team would have been invited. it's not like we were actively avoiding ur team, we had promised bts a lan with a strong international presence so we were trying to keep the same amount of international teams
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#21
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You really need to stop crying so much about this. Its done and over I am just trying to provide some real information rather then all of the conjecture that is being thrown around by people who have little, to no clue.

You really need to stop crying so much about this. Its done and over I am just trying to provide some real information rather then all of the conjecture that is being thrown around by people who have little, to no clue.
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#22
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fingerinthebum_just so you know the reasoning for trying to get the european team was that the team that had stepped down, was a european team. your team had not been promised a spot, and if there wasn't a euro team to fill that spot your team would have been invited. it's not like we were actively avoiding ur team, we had promised bts a lan with a strong international presence so we were trying to keep the same amount of international teams

Not true:

1) As mason stated, we were told multiple times regardless of the team stepping down that we would go.

2) Alba himself told BTS that we should go instead as a) he had trouble finding players and b) it's kind of hard to get thousands of dollars for flights in that timespan since you guys delayed really hard. So I really don't believe that.

And Tino the only crying is you because you just say shit and tried to defend the actions of absolute incompetent people who should never be in charge. Sami literally killed LAN with 2 sentences in a 6 page long thread and peaced out. Those are the people you're defending.

[quote=fingerinthebum_]just so you know the reasoning for trying to get the european team was that the team that had stepped down, was a european team. your team had not been promised a spot, and if there wasn't a euro team to fill that spot your team would have been invited. it's not like we were actively avoiding ur team, we had promised bts a lan with a strong international presence so we were trying to keep the same amount of international teams[/quote]

Not true:

1) As mason stated, we were told multiple times regardless of the team stepping down that we would go.

2) Alba himself told BTS that we should go instead as a) he had trouble finding players and b) it's kind of hard to get thousands of dollars for flights in that timespan since you guys delayed really hard. So I really don't believe that.

And Tino the only crying is you because you just say shit and tried to defend the actions of absolute incompetent people who should never be in charge. Sami literally killed LAN with 2 sentences in a 6 page long thread and peaced out. Those are the people you're defending.
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#23
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i'll be honest i don't know who was telling you that, because sami and i were meant to be the ones communicating with teams, and she and tsc made the decision on the euro team, and i never told anyone that. like i'm sorry u guys didn't get invited but stop making it out like there's drama when really we were trying to fill the expectations we had set for the event. like yeah if alba's team couldn't get anything together we would have invited you guys.

alfafingerinthebum_just so you know the reasoning for trying to get the european team was that the team that had stepped down, was a european team. your team had not been promised a spot, and if there wasn't a euro team to fill that spot your team would have been invited. it's not like we were actively avoiding ur team, we had promised bts a lan with a strong international presence so we were trying to keep the same amount of international teams
Not true:

1) As mason stated, we were told multiple times regardless of the team stepping down that we would go.

2) Alba himself told BTS that we should go instead as a) he had trouble finding players and b) it's kind of hard to get thousands of dollars for flights in that timespan since you guys delayed really hard. So I really don't believe that
i'll be honest i don't know who was telling you that, because sami and i were meant to be the ones communicating with teams, and she and tsc made the decision on the euro team, and i never told anyone that. like i'm sorry u guys didn't get invited but stop making it out like there's drama when really we were trying to fill the expectations we had set for the event. like yeah if alba's team couldn't get anything together we would have invited you guys.

[quote=alfa][quote=fingerinthebum_]just so you know the reasoning for trying to get the european team was that the team that had stepped down, was a european team. your team had not been promised a spot, and if there wasn't a euro team to fill that spot your team would have been invited. it's not like we were actively avoiding ur team, we had promised bts a lan with a strong international presence so we were trying to keep the same amount of international teams[/quote]

Not true:

1) As mason stated, we were told multiple times regardless of the team stepping down that we would go.

2) Alba himself told BTS that we should go instead as a) he had trouble finding players and b) it's kind of hard to get thousands of dollars for flights in that timespan since you guys delayed really hard. So I really don't believe that[/quote]
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#24
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What exactly am I crying about?

I mean tbh I probably should be crying about something because this whole thing probably had a larger impact on me then it did you. But im not, because its over and done with.

Also to be clear, I am not defending the actions that were taken. I am just letting people know what happened.

What exactly am I crying about?

I mean tbh I probably should be crying about something because this whole thing probably had a larger impact on me then it did you. But im not, because its over and done with.

Also to be clear, I am not defending the actions that were taken. I am just letting people know what happened.
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#25
34 Frags +

Can You All Shut The Fuck Up And Steam Message Each Other. Nobody Cares.

Can You All Shut The Fuck Up And Steam Message Each Other. Nobody Cares.
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#26
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alfaTino_Its what they tried to do with the alfa situation and is what they did with the nursey situation.Tino_Your specific issue, and what it entails is much different and to try and equate them as the same thing is disingenuous as shit.
uhhhh... hello??

and no one is yelling, I'm stating what is seen from the outside

You're just not understanding this

"They TRIED to do it with the alfa thing" (deal with it in private) which is the same thing they did with Nursey (deal with it in private). Obviously dealing with it in private failed (though they TRIED), obviously you're not satisfied with what happened, obviously it was dealt with stupidly, obviously you're unhappy, and imo Tino is really bad at posting so that's why this shit escalates into an argument, but this is a reading comprehension thing. You misunderstood what he wrote. What he wrote is correct, you took it and twisted it into something. Go back and read the posts if you want.

[quote=alfa][quote=Tino_]Its what they tried to do with the[b] alfa situation[/b] [u][b]and[/b][/u] is what they did with the[b] nursey situation[/b].[/quote]

[quote=Tino_]Your specific issue, and what it entails is much different and to try and equate them as the same thing is disingenuous as shit.[/quote]

uhhhh... hello??

and no one is yelling, I'm stating what is seen from the outside[/quote]

You're just not understanding this

"They TRIED to do it with the alfa thing" (deal with it in private) which is the same thing they did with Nursey (deal with it in private). Obviously dealing with it in private failed (though they TRIED), obviously you're not satisfied with what happened, obviously it was dealt with stupidly, obviously you're unhappy, and imo Tino is really bad at posting so that's why this shit escalates into an argument, but this is a reading comprehension thing. You misunderstood what he wrote. What he wrote is correct, you took it and twisted it into something. Go back and read the posts if you want.
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TFLIVE
50 Frags +
The organizers scrambled to organize a bootcamp for XIAO

...?
This statement is simply not true. When I asked these organisers about bootcamp, initially was given the impression our team were good to use the lan venue for that purpose. When we were finalising our fundraiser budget and checked back with the organisers, we got the "no we don't provide that, you'll have to organise and fund that yourself", which is fine, whatever. Which is what we did, team XIAO found a place and booked and paid for accomodation that was close by.

We were excited to field a team from oceania for tf2 and were pulling all the strings on our end to get our asses to this lan. Please do not associate team XIAO with anything to do with this lan crumbling, I'll fight you in the carpark.

I hadn’t committed to helping a team get to an international tf2 lan since the days of Jasmine Tea and haven’t said much about this situation so far, in an effort to keep positive tf2 vibes flowing but I reckon this needs to be aired.

XIAO’s opportunity to attend a lan was a dream come true for many of us over in the Oceanic region and a first for AiShou, teejay, banana, 26, enrith and lock. Although the team consisted of two Aussies, this was to be the first predominantly South East Asian tf2 team to go international.

XIAO put a lot of effort and hours into our fundraiser campaign content and we were due to launch it after a meeting that was scheduled by bts organisers the next day. I’m talking team shirts, team profiles, interviews, memes and more that probably won’t get to see the light of day, now.

XIAO’s accommodation was fully booked and paid for as were half our team’s flights the night before news that bts was cancelled broke. Luckily, flights were paid within 24 hours of the announcement so we have been able to get most of those dollars back, although the 824AUD loss from nonrefundable charges in the end is still too large to just laugh off and forgive in silence. Additionally, we aren't the only team to have suffered massive losses in real dollars to this lan.

The disappointment from my team has been heartbreaking and I am pissed off for them and those of you who have been supporting them, especially in the wake of the lack of communication from the organisers who I trusted in when I committed to getting XIAO to this cunt of a lan.

Sigh. We learn, we move the eff on and look to the future.

[quote]The organizers scrambled to organize a bootcamp for XIAO[/quote]
...?
This statement is simply not true. When I asked these organisers about bootcamp, initially was given the impression our team were good to use the lan venue for that purpose. When we were finalising our fundraiser budget and checked back with the organisers, we got the "no we don't provide that, you'll have to organise and fund that yourself", which is fine, whatever. Which is what we did, team XIAO found a place and booked and paid for accomodation that was close by.

We were excited to field a team from oceania for tf2 and were pulling all the strings on our end to get our asses to this lan. Please do not associate team XIAO with anything to do with this lan crumbling, I'll fight you in the carpark.

I hadn’t committed to helping a team get to an international tf2 lan since the days of Jasmine Tea and haven’t said much about this situation so far, in an effort to keep positive tf2 vibes flowing but I reckon this needs to be aired.

XIAO’s opportunity to attend a lan was a dream come true for many of us over in the Oceanic region and a first for AiShou, teejay, banana, 26, enrith and lock. Although the team consisted of two Aussies, this was to be the first predominantly South East Asian tf2 team to go international.

XIAO put a lot of effort and hours into our fundraiser campaign content and we were due to launch it after a meeting that was scheduled by bts organisers the next day. I’m talking team shirts, team profiles, interviews, memes and more that probably won’t get to see the light of day, now.

XIAO’s accommodation was fully booked and paid for as were half our team’s flights the night before news that bts was cancelled broke. Luckily, flights were paid within 24 hours of the announcement so we have been able to get most of those dollars back, although the 824AUD loss from nonrefundable charges in the end is still too large to just laugh off and forgive in silence. Additionally, we aren't the only team to have suffered massive losses in real dollars to this lan.

The disappointment from my team has been heartbreaking and I am pissed off for them and those of you who have been supporting them, especially in the wake of the lack of communication from the organisers who I trusted in when I committed to getting XIAO to this cunt of a lan.

Sigh. We learn, we move the eff on and look to the future.
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#28
7 Frags +

sibby killed bts

sibby killed bts
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#29
11 Frags +

from an interview with people in the know:

timeline:
nursey drama
console tells samiface about dashner
samiface defends dashner -> console leaves
dashner steps down knowing hes boned (october 31st)
alfas thread (one week later) caused tsc to get a fuckload of hate, causing him to step down (same day as thread)
samiface is doing this lan, but decides to avoid drama -> says "fuck this"
samiface cancelled lan

alfa did not directly kill lan, but the fallout from the thread did

from an interview with people in the know:

timeline:
nursey drama
console tells samiface about dashner
samiface defends dashner -> console leaves
dashner steps down knowing hes boned (october 31st)
alfas thread (one week later) caused tsc to get a fuckload of hate, causing him to step down (same day as thread)
samiface is doing this lan, but decides to avoid drama -> says "fuck this"
samiface cancelled lan

alfa did not directly kill lan, but the fallout from the thread did
30
#30
6 Frags +
gibussibby killed bts

Fuck sibby

[quote=gibus]sibby killed bts[/quote]
Fuck sibby
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