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3601
#3601
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you dont purchase from pc partpicker they tell you where to purchase

you dont purchase from pc partpicker they tell you where to purchase
3602
#3602
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I don't think you can buy from pcpartpicker.
Streaming yes/no?

EDIT:
A new page appeared between me reading and me replying. Not the best response time, I guess. Might be getting old.

I don't think you can buy from pcpartpicker.
Streaming yes/no?

EDIT:
A new page appeared between me reading and me replying. Not the best response time, I guess. Might be getting old.
3603
#3603
3 Frags +

yeah streaming, i did not see new page sorry

yeah streaming, i did not see new page sorry
3604
#3604
6 Frags +

matty stop apologising stand up for urself king

matty stop apologising stand up for urself king
3605
#3605
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Hope you're not in a hurry, at this rate we might be here for a while.

When did you plan on building it? If you can wait until the Comet Lake launch at the end of May do so.
Just so you've got something to work with in case you are in a hurry, assuming you'll use GPU encoding for streaming:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GXGHL2
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RY7ZPn
Just as a sort of baseline. Especially the SSD is just a suggestion, nothing wrong with 256/512 GB SSD + 1/2 TB HDD or even 1 TB SSD. Didn't check the mobo QVL (just google it) for the RAM, you should probably do that for the 3600 build, it tends to be a bit picky. 3600 MHz, CL16 (again, google) if you can find a cheap one but it's not really necessary.
I've got no idea which build is better. 3600 should be a tiny bit better for Monster Hunter, but you'll be limited by the GPU anyway. TF2 no idea. 9600 is higher clocked but with the slower RAM I'd have to guess which one is faster. Could get 3600 MHz RAM for the 9600 as well but because Intel are bastards they limit you to 2666 MHz unless you buy a Z370/Z390 (overclocking) motherboard. 30 quid more for the mobo and another +30 for the RAM and it's not really working out with the budget anymore. Dropping down to a cheaper GPU and the 3600 build definitely wins in Monster Hunter. Could get a 9500F instead (cheaper) to make it work but that's lower clocked so I'd have to guess that it's still faster in TF2 than the 3600 but only by a tiny bit (and it's still more expensive than the 3600, both the CPU itself and the mobo). Also getting an overclocking mobo for a locked CPU that can't be overclocked is weird as fuck.
Could also throw the 3600X into the ring, but again it's only a tiny bit faster so it doesn't really feel like it'd be worth it. Yeah, best performance <900£ and all that but I don't know what you're going to do with storage situation, different case maybe (not that small tbh even though it's µATX, mostly there to see how the budget works out), maybe a different PSU, RAM that's actually on the QVL is probably going to be a bit more expensive as well and then the budget's already gone and the 3600X doesn't fit anymore.

Choices, choices...

Not very helpful I know, but I'm not really feeling like weighing the pros and cons right now because if you are able to wait I'd have to redo it all after the 10600 is available.
Also forgot how many fps you want in Monster Hunter (which one exactly anyway?) and on what resolution.

Hope you're not in a hurry, at this rate we might be here for a while.

When did you plan on building it? If you can wait until the Comet Lake launch at the end of May do so.
Just so you've got something to work with in case you are in a hurry, assuming you'll use GPU encoding for streaming:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GXGHL2
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RY7ZPn
Just as a sort of baseline. Especially the SSD is just a suggestion, nothing wrong with 256/512 GB SSD + 1/2 TB HDD or even 1 TB SSD. Didn't check the mobo QVL (just google it) for the RAM, you should probably do that for the 3600 build, it tends to be a bit picky. 3600 MHz, CL16 (again, google) if you can find a cheap one but it's not really necessary.
I've got no idea which build is better. 3600 should be a tiny bit better for Monster Hunter, but you'll be limited by the GPU anyway. TF2 no idea. 9600 is higher clocked but with the slower RAM I'd have to guess which one is faster. Could get 3600 MHz RAM for the 9600 as well but because Intel are bastards they limit you to 2666 MHz unless you buy a Z370/Z390 (overclocking) motherboard. 30 quid more for the mobo and another +30 for the RAM and it's not really working out with the budget anymore. Dropping down to a cheaper GPU and the 3600 build definitely wins in Monster Hunter. Could get a 9500F instead (cheaper) to make it work but that's lower clocked so I'd have to guess that it's still faster in TF2 than the 3600 but only by a tiny bit (and it's still more expensive than the 3600, both the CPU itself and the mobo). Also getting an overclocking mobo for a locked CPU that can't be overclocked is weird as fuck.
Could also throw the 3600X into the ring, but again it's only a tiny bit faster so it doesn't really feel like it'd be worth it. Yeah, best performance <900£ and all that but I don't know what you're going to do with storage situation, different case maybe (not that small tbh even though it's µATX, mostly there to see how the budget works out), maybe a different PSU, RAM that's actually on the QVL is probably going to be a bit more expensive as well and then the budget's already gone and the 3600X doesn't fit anymore.

Choices, choices...

Not very helpful I know, but I'm not really feeling like weighing the pros and cons right now because if you are able to wait I'd have to redo it all after the 10600 is available.
Also forgot how many fps you want in Monster Hunter (which one exactly anyway?) and on what resolution.
3606
#3606
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I am not fussy about other games, monster hunter (ultimate) was just an example. I'm mainly going to be playing tf.
I'm just going to buy 1 tb ssd as main storage. Can you recommend which one?
As well do I not need a cpu fan?

I think i'd rather get the amd build over the intel one as you mention i need to get the overclocking motherboard to remove the ram speed limit for intel
but the amd build gives a warning of

*Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

is this a big issue?
I plan to build in may hopefully

I am not fussy about other games, monster hunter (ultimate) was just an example. I'm mainly going to be playing tf.
I'm just going to buy 1 tb ssd as main storage. Can you recommend which one?
As well do I not need a cpu fan?

I think i'd rather get the amd build over the intel one as you mention i need to get the overclocking motherboard to remove the ram speed limit for intel
but the amd build gives a warning of

*Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

is this a big issue?
I plan to build in may hopefully
3607
#3607
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the MAX motherboards should be 3rd gen compatible out of the box so nothing to worry. Might be a slightly outdated bios but it will work.

3600 comes with a heatsink and fan in the box. It can be loud so buying an inexpensive air cooler isnt the worst idea. Maybe a cryorig h7 or Scythe Mugen 5. Should fit in that case.

a common SSD is a WD blue. Its inexpensive but it is only sata (imo not that big of a deal). There is an intel 660p 1tb version also. If you want the best, a samsung 960/970 EVO is what you want.

the MAX motherboards should be 3rd gen compatible out of the box so nothing to worry. Might be a slightly outdated bios but it will work.

3600 comes with a heatsink and fan in the box. It can be loud so buying an inexpensive air cooler isnt the worst idea. Maybe a cryorig h7 or Scythe Mugen 5. Should fit in that case.

a common SSD is a WD blue. Its inexpensive but it is only sata (imo not that big of a deal). There is an intel 660p 1tb version also. If you want the best, a samsung 960/970 EVO is what you want.
3608
#3608
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#3606
See #3607.
Honestly I'm still not sure which "monster hunter (ultimate)" you mean.
SSD is just about how fast an SSD you "need"/want. WD Blue SN550 1TB seems to be a bit cheaper than the 660p right now so that's fine. Anything significantly faster and therefore more expensive would push you over 900£.

#3606
See #3607.
Honestly I'm still not sure which "monster hunter (ultimate)" you mean.
SSD is just about how fast an SSD you "need"/want. WD Blue SN550 1TB seems to be a bit cheaper than the 660p right now so that's fine. Anything significantly faster and therefore more expensive would push you over 900£.
3609
#3609
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I'm looking to switch from Ryzen to Intel for clock speed. Ryzen just wasn't cutting it in Valorant and TF2 pubs. I need new CPU + cooler, motherboard and RAM. I already have a buyer for my old parts. I was thinking i5 9600k and overclocking to 5GHz. I'm looking to be able to stream TF2, CSGO, and Valorant. I don't need anything fancy for mobo, was happy with my budget Gigabyte Ryzen board. I have a 750W PSU. Budget is ~CAD$600 before tax. Any suggestions?

I'm looking to switch from Ryzen to Intel for clock speed. Ryzen just wasn't cutting it in Valorant and TF2 pubs. I need new CPU + cooler, motherboard and RAM. I already have a buyer for my old parts. I was thinking i5 9600k and overclocking to 5GHz. I'm looking to be able to stream TF2, CSGO, and Valorant. I don't need anything fancy for mobo, was happy with my budget Gigabyte Ryzen board. I have a 750W PSU. Budget is ~CAD$600 before tax. Any suggestions?
3610
#3610
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Which Ryzen CPU are you switching from?
Why not a 9600KF?
You're not going to get to 5 GHz with a budget mobo. Not like Z390 budget mobos are a thing anyway.
On the other hand without going trash tier with unheatsinked VRMs (have fun with those) I can't find any Z390 mobos for less than 200 CAD which places 9600K(F) + mobo + RAM + cooler for 600 CAD firmly in the "not happening" category.

Also I wouldn't recommend buying a 9600K(F) which uses thermal paste two weeks before the 10600K is released, which is supposedly based on the 10 core Comet Lake die and therefore soldered.

The way I see it you've got 2 problems:
1. For streaming you'd definitely want to choose the 6c/12t 10600K over the 6c/6t 9600K.
2. You can't even afford a 9600K if you want a good mobo, RAM and cooler. It'd be a bit pointless if you cheap out and end up getting all of 10% more fps for 600 CAD.

Which Ryzen CPU are you switching from?
Why not a 9600KF?
You're not going to get to 5 GHz with a budget mobo. Not like Z390 budget mobos are a thing anyway.
On the other hand without going trash tier with unheatsinked VRMs (have fun with those) I can't find any Z390 mobos for less than 200 CAD which places 9600K(F) + mobo + RAM + cooler for 600 CAD firmly in the "not happening" category.

Also I wouldn't recommend buying a 9600K(F) which uses thermal paste two weeks before the 10600K is released, which is supposedly based on the 10 core Comet Lake die and therefore soldered.

The way I see it you've got 2 problems:
1. For streaming you'd definitely want to choose the 6c/12t 10600K over the 6c/6t 9600K.
2. You can't even afford a 9600K if you want a good mobo, RAM and cooler. It'd be a bit pointless if you cheap out and end up getting all of 10% more fps for 600 CAD.
3611
#3611
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wait for 10th gen intel thats coming out soon if you can, as they have increased clock speeds and lower prices for the CPUs. Should be about a month or so when they come out.

Cooler - try a big dual tower cooler for more overclocking capacity. Noctua NH-D15 is the best but is a bit more expensive. Therefore good alternatives are the be quiet! dark rock pro 4 and the scythe fuma coolers (no need to worry as these coolers are compatible with lga 1200)

You can get a water cooler if you like for slightly better overclocks - the arctic freezer 2 does well according to gamers nexus. But you must realise this extra performance comes with pump noise and potential pump failure, which is hard to know.

wait for 10th gen intel thats coming out soon if you can, as they have increased clock speeds and lower prices for the CPUs. Should be about a month or so when they come out.

Cooler - try a big dual tower cooler for more overclocking capacity. Noctua NH-D15 is the best but is a bit more expensive. Therefore good alternatives are the be quiet! dark rock pro 4 and the scythe fuma coolers (no need to worry as these coolers are compatible with lga 1200)

You can get a water cooler if you like for slightly better overclocks - the arctic freezer 2 does well according to gamers nexus. But you must realise this extra performance comes with pump noise and potential pump failure, which is hard to know.
3612
#3612
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hmmm, thanks for the info guys. I am currently running a 2600x with stock cooler + Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 C16 1.35v (advertised for ryzen and was plug and play 3200) on a Gigabyte 450M DS3H. It’s just not cutting it for me, I never see it stay at 4.2 for long. Usually sits just above 4, sometimes 4.1 when gaming. I have the right stuff enabled in bios and use PBO when gaming. Should I try a thermal paste + cooler upgrade? At this point I’m putting all plans on hold. Not sure if it’s worth so much for such a minuscule upgrade. Do I just suck it up, get a nice cooler and hope it stays at 4.2 and spend my money on a nice QHD 144hz monitor?

On that note, are these monitors good choices? Any other recommendation in the CAD$400-$500 price range?

Samsung LC27JG52QQNXZA Series Curved 27" Gaming WQHD Monitor Dark Grey https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07H2MXZ37/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2rcVEb9NBN2W5

LG 27GL83A-B 27-Inch Screen Led-Lit 14700510,Black https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07YGZL8XF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HscVEb9K46CA9

hmmm, thanks for the info guys. I am currently running a 2600x with stock cooler + Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 C16 1.35v (advertised for ryzen and was plug and play 3200) on a Gigabyte 450M DS3H. It’s just not cutting it for me, I never see it stay at 4.2 for long. Usually sits just above 4, sometimes 4.1 when gaming. I have the right stuff enabled in bios and use PBO when gaming. Should I try a thermal paste + cooler upgrade? At this point I’m putting all plans on hold. Not sure if it’s worth so much for such a minuscule upgrade. Do I just suck it up, get a nice cooler and hope it stays at 4.2 and spend my money on a nice QHD 144hz monitor?

On that note, are these monitors good choices? Any other recommendation in the CAD$400-$500 price range?

Samsung LC27JG52QQNXZA Series Curved 27" Gaming WQHD Monitor Dark Grey https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07H2MXZ37/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2rcVEb9NBN2W5

LG 27GL83A-B 27-Inch Screen Led-Lit 14700510,Black https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07YGZL8XF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HscVEb9K46CA9
3613
#3613
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I have a 2600x. I can say even with the JEDEC 2133mhz ram (def settings) i get over 200fps in tf2. You might be doing some things wrong. I know the stock cooler is a piece of garbage though and im sure if you buy an aftermarket air cooler you will get 100-200mhz more.

Several things may be able to do:

You can PBO and undervolt and you can get some nice performance gains. Normally i only have 4ghz too, but i can get 150-200mhz extra by doing it. Watch buildzoids video on how to do it, its nice. 2nd gen ryzen PBO is quite dumb so its pretty much necessary : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ8zdprzEjI

Second: set a static vcore voltage. I set 1.3125v in the bios with load-line calibration.get like 1.29v. This way i "break" precision boost 2 and have better clocks, therefore higher performance. Ive used this and seen no adverse effect on my cpu. You should run Cinebench or something to find out what the CPU naturally sets the voltage to and sort of work around that. Your CPU wont downvolt at idle if you do this.

Third: Manual OC. Most 2600xs, especially if its 2019 era silicon can hit 4.25ghz with 1.35v. I can hit that with 1.325v. But of course you need good cooling to do that. Ive found manual OC takes more time to tune compared to PBO+undervolt. And around 1.33-1.35v is the maximum you can do with good cooling on these chips. I wouldnt do this because your manual OC clock speed will probably be lower than your normal clock speed ingame.

Fourth: Memory Overclocking. You probably have bad memory chips as it is 3200 cl16. But that doesnt mean you cant keep the same effective timings but increase the memory frequency. You would want to do that to increase infinity fabric link speed. Most 2600xs can do memory speeds of 3333 to 3533. Use Ryzen DRAM Calculator and follow some guides on how to properly overclock your memory. This can be risky/annoying to do so i would save this until you are absolutely desperate. Just remember if you do this memory testing for 24/48 hours is imperative.

as for monitors im not in the know but im sure some people will tell you what is the best. Sorry for the wall of text :>

I have a 2600x. I can say even with the JEDEC 2133mhz ram (def settings)[url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/948849/tf2-benchmarks] i get over 200fps in tf2.[/url] You might be doing some things wrong. I know the stock cooler is a piece of garbage though and im sure if you buy an aftermarket air cooler you will get 100-200mhz more.

[u]Several things may be able to do:[/u]

[b]You can PBO and undervolt [/b]and you can get some nice performance gains. Normally i only have 4ghz too, but i can get 150-200mhz extra by doing it. Watch buildzoids video on how to do it, its nice. 2nd gen ryzen PBO is quite dumb so its pretty much necessary : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ8zdprzEjI

[b]Second: set a static vcore voltage[/b]. I set 1.3125v in the bios with load-line calibration.get like 1.29v. This way i "break" precision boost 2 and have better clocks, therefore higher performance. Ive used this and seen no adverse effect on my cpu. You should run Cinebench or something to find out what the CPU naturally sets the voltage to and sort of work around that. Your CPU wont downvolt at idle if you do this.

[b]Third: Manual OC[/b]. Most 2600xs, especially if its 2019 era silicon can hit 4.25ghz with 1.35v. I can hit that with 1.325v. But of course you need good cooling to do that. Ive found manual OC takes more time to tune compared to PBO+undervolt. And around 1.33-1.35v is the maximum you can do with good cooling on these chips. I wouldnt do this because your manual OC clock speed will probably be lower than your normal clock speed ingame.

[b]Fourth: Memory Overclocking.[/b] You probably have bad memory chips as it is 3200 cl16. But that doesnt mean you cant keep the same effective timings but increase the memory frequency. You would want to do that to increase infinity fabric link speed. Most 2600xs can do memory speeds of 3333 to 3533. Use [url=https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/]Ryzen DRAM Calculator[/url] and follow some guides on how to properly overclock your memory. This can be risky/annoying to do so i would save this until you are absolutely desperate. Just remember if you do this memory testing for 24/48 hours is imperative.

as for monitors im not in the know but im sure some people will tell you what is the best. Sorry for the wall of text :>
3614
#3614
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#3612
Yeah, you're in a somewhat shitty situation.
You fell for the advertising. 3200 MHz isn't some great achievement for a 2600X. 1800X on launch day, sure, but with a 2600X (which already supports 2933 JEDEC, without XMP) and a mature BIOS it's really not some great achievement anymore. That's the least of your worries though.

Your motherboard is a dead end. Even upgrading to a 3600(X) wouldn't do anything. You'll run into the same problem as with overclocking the 2600X. It's simply a race whether your CPU or VRMs will hit their temperature limit first. A cooler won't help if you don't seriously beef up the airflow inside the case to help the VRMs. Even then it'll be a struggle.
Better thermal paste is a meme. 0.2 °C less won't fix a heat problem.

Either way you should probably be more specific about it "not cutting it". I mean you can definitely get the 2600X to 4.2 (or at least close enough) and have it stay there, it's just a matter of how painful and expensive it'll be. But will that fix your problem? You're saying it's already above 4.0, sometimes even at 4.1 so getting it to 4.2 would mean less than 5% more fps. I doubt that's what you're looking for.
Coming from a 2600X in a suboptimal configuration (bad cooling, bad VRMs, slow RAM) does mean that a 9600K @5.0 is a much bigger ugprade than if you were running let's say a 3600 under ideal conditions but I've still got no idea if it would be enough. How much more fps do you want/need? This is further complicated by how sensitive TF2 is to RAM latency. You can't afford cheaping out on the RAM or you'll risk losing half of your potential gains, but at the same time your budget is kind of forcing you to cheap out on the RAM if you want a 9600K.

Regarding the monitors: What are you looking for? Is the only criterion that it must cost between 400 and 500 CAD or do you have actual requirements? Why would you even go by price instead of by features/performance? Do you expect there to be some magic ranking that can tell you which is the absolute best monitor in a certain price range?

#3612
Yeah, you're in a somewhat shitty situation.
You fell for the advertising. 3200 MHz isn't some great achievement for a 2600X. 1800X on launch day, sure, but with a 2600X (which already supports 2933 JEDEC, without XMP) and a mature BIOS it's really not some great achievement anymore. That's the least of your worries though.

Your motherboard is a dead end. Even upgrading to a 3600(X) wouldn't do anything. You'll run into the same problem as with overclocking the 2600X. It's simply a race whether your CPU or VRMs will hit their temperature limit first. A cooler won't help if you don't seriously beef up the airflow inside the case to help the VRMs. Even then it'll be a struggle.
Better thermal paste is a meme. 0.2 °C less won't fix a heat problem.

Either way you should probably be more specific about it "not cutting it". I mean you can definitely get the 2600X to 4.2 (or at least close enough) and have it stay there, it's just a matter of how painful and expensive it'll be. But will that fix your problem? You're saying it's already above 4.0, sometimes even at 4.1 so getting it to 4.2 would mean less than 5% more fps. I doubt that's what you're looking for.
Coming from a 2600X in a suboptimal configuration (bad cooling, bad VRMs, slow RAM) does mean that a 9600K @5.0 is a much bigger ugprade than if you were running let's say a 3600 under ideal conditions but I've still got no idea if it would be enough. How much more fps do you want/need? This is further complicated by how sensitive TF2 is to RAM latency. You can't afford cheaping out on the RAM or you'll risk losing half of your potential gains, but at the same time your budget is kind of forcing you to cheap out on the RAM if you want a 9600K.


Regarding the monitors: What are you looking for? Is the only criterion that it must cost between 400 and 500 CAD or do you have actual requirements? Why would you even go by price instead of by features/performance? Do you expect there to be some magic ranking that can tell you which is the absolute best monitor in a certain price range?
3615
#3615
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Finally getting around to it, its been long overdue.

Looking to build a workstation / gaming PC with a budget around 600-800 EUR. It would be used for 1080p and sometimes 4K editing, and some gaming. From what I gather, Ryzen CPU would be my best bet here.. Don't need periferals.

Finally getting around to it, its been long overdue.

Looking to build a workstation / gaming PC with a budget around 600-800 EUR. It would be used for 1080p and sometimes 4K editing, and some gaming. From what I gather, Ryzen CPU would be my best bet here.. Don't need periferals.
3616
#3616
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Hey, I ordered these parts from newegg

AMD RYZEN 5 3600 6-Core 3.6 GHz (4.2 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W 100-100000031BOX Desktop Processor

G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GVKB

MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

however, they just told me that the tomahawk max is out of stock and refunded my order. my current motherboard isn't compatible with the new ryzen cpu's.

does anyone have any recommendations for a motherboard to go with these that isn't too expensive?

my current gpu is a 1050ti 4gb, power supply is corsair vengeance 750W

Hey, I ordered these parts from newegg

AMD RYZEN 5 3600 6-Core 3.6 GHz (4.2 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W 100-100000031BOX Desktop Processor

G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GVKB

MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

however, they just told me that the tomahawk max is out of stock and refunded my order. my current motherboard isn't compatible with the new ryzen cpu's.

does anyone have any recommendations for a motherboard to go with these that isn't too expensive?

my current gpu is a 1050ti 4gb, power supply is corsair vengeance 750W
3617
#3617
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#3615
Contacted me on steam, I assume it's taken care of.

#3616
Are you looking for similar price, similar VRM quality or similar features? You can probably choose at most two out of three.
Does full ATX matter or is µATX fine?
Does it have to work with Ryzen 3000 out of the box or at least allow for CPU-less BIOS updates or are you willing to suffer through the whole ordeal of requesting and using the AMD update/boot kit?
Does it have to be in stock at newegg?

#3615
Contacted me on steam, I assume it's taken care of.

#3616
Are you looking for similar price, similar VRM quality or similar features? You can probably choose at most two out of three.
Does full ATX matter or is µATX fine?
Does it have to work with Ryzen 3000 out of the box or at least allow for CPU-less BIOS updates or are you willing to suffer through the whole ordeal of requesting and using the AMD update/boot kit?
Does it have to be in stock at newegg?
3618
#3618
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Setsul#3615
Contacted me on steam, I assume it's taken care of.

#3616
Are you looking for similar price, similar VRM quality or similar features? You can probably choose at most two out of three.
Does full ATX matter or is µATX fine?
Does it have to work with Ryzen 3000 out of the box or at least allow for CPU-less BIOS updates or are you willing to suffer through the whole ordeal of requesting and using the AMD update/boot kit?
Does it have to be in stock at newegg?

similar quality, I'm willing spend ~250CAD

did some googling on ATX and I'm pretty sure uATX is fine, but honestly I'm not sure how I'd know which one I'd need

Needs to work out of the box

Does not need to be in stock at newegg, just needs to ship to canada

[quote=Setsul]#3615
Contacted me on steam, I assume it's taken care of.

#3616
Are you looking for similar price, similar VRM quality or similar features? You can probably choose at most two out of three.
Does full ATX matter or is µATX fine?
Does it have to work with Ryzen 3000 out of the box or at least allow for CPU-less BIOS updates or are you willing to suffer through the whole ordeal of requesting and using the AMD update/boot kit?
Does it have to be in stock at newegg?[/quote]

similar quality, I'm willing spend ~250CAD

did some googling on ATX and I'm pretty sure uATX is fine, but honestly I'm not sure how I'd know which one I'd need

Needs to work out of the box

Does not need to be in stock at newegg, just needs to ship to canada
3619
#3619
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Yeah, unless you need more than 4 PCIe slots µATX will make no difference.

Out of the box and not even CPU-less update means we're done to less than a handful of B450 boards in your price range but they've all got worse VRMs. 90% sure an ASRock B450M Pro4-F would work out of the box and the VRMs aren't that much worse than the Tomahawk's but other than that the stock situation according to pcpartpicker Canada is looking quite dire.
With your budget you could just say fuck it and get an Asus PRIME X570-P or TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (slightly better VRMs)
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/McfFf7/asus-prime-x570-p-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x570-p
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/whMTwP/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus
though both are massively overkill for just a 3600.

Yeah, unless you need more than 4 PCIe slots µATX will make no difference.

Out of the box and not even CPU-less update means we're done to less than a handful of B450 boards in your price range but they've all got worse VRMs. 90% sure an ASRock B450M Pro4-F would work out of the box and the VRMs aren't that much worse than the Tomahawk's but other than that the stock situation according to pcpartpicker Canada is looking quite dire.
With your budget you could just say fuck it and get an Asus PRIME X570-P or TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (slightly better VRMs)
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/McfFf7/asus-prime-x570-p-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x570-p
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/whMTwP/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus
though both are massively overkill for just a 3600.
3620
#3620
0 Frags +

do you think I'm better off just waiting for them to restock the tomahawk?

also as far as out of the box, I'm not really informed in how it works. If it doesn't work out of the box I need a 2nd gen ryzen to update the BIOS right? Or would I be able to use the i5 I have now to update the BIOS?

do you think I'm better off just waiting for them to restock the tomahawk?

also as far as out of the box, I'm not really informed in how it works. If it doesn't work out of the box I need a 2nd gen ryzen to update the BIOS right? Or would I be able to use the i5 I have now to update the BIOS?
3621
#3621
3 Frags +

Yes.

1st gen would work too. Either way AMD will send you one + return label for free if you can provide proof of purchase for CPU and mobo.

No, Intel uses different sockets. Also "i5" tells me nothing, Intel changes sockets every two years and i5s have existed for well over a decade.

Yes.

1st gen would work too. Either way AMD will send you one + return label for free if you can provide proof of purchase for CPU and mobo.

No, Intel uses different sockets. Also "i5" tells me nothing, Intel changes sockets every two years and i5s have existed for well over a decade.
3622
#3622
1 Frags +

Need some help since I don't know much about computers

I currently own a dell inspiron 3650 that has a i7-6700, a r9 360, and 16gb ram.

I am looking to build a new pc to replace my dell inspiron I bought in late 2016. I want to save money by using the cpu that I currently use in my new build. Should I buy a new cpu or is that ok? I do not plan on overclocking. Also should I try and use the 2 sticks of 8gb ram in the next build or buy a new set of ram? The current set of ram is DDR3L @ 1600MHz.

This is the computer I am planning on building while reusing the cpu : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V3KTgJ
What can I do to improve this build?
Can I build a pc with a new cpu for the same amount of 1000USD and get better performance than I would from salvaging the old cpu?

Help is greatly appreciated.

Need some help since I don't know much about computers

I currently own a dell inspiron 3650 that has a i7-6700, a r9 360, and 16gb ram.

I am looking to build a new pc to replace my dell inspiron I bought in late 2016. I want to save money by using the cpu that I currently use in my new build. Should I buy a new cpu or is that ok? I do not plan on overclocking. Also should I try and use the 2 sticks of 8gb ram in the next build or buy a new set of ram? The current set of ram is DDR3L @ 1600MHz.

This is the computer I am planning on building while reusing the cpu : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V3KTgJ
What can I do to improve this build?
Can I build a pc with a new cpu for the same amount of 1000USD and get better performance than I would from salvaging the old cpu?

Help is greatly appreciated.
3623
#3623
2 Frags +
Nygma

What do you plan on doing with the pc. When do you plan on building it

I know those dell units have proprietary PSUs which is why you cant upgrade past anything that needs 6pin power, which is then why you are wanting to "upgrade".

Considering the fact you have all new components disregarding the cpu, you might as well buy a new pc all together. You can spend a bit more and get waaay more performance and features, like higher than 2400 ram speed, overclocking/pbo, better I/O like USB 3.1 gen 2 and more cores.

That 3200mhz ram is going to waste on that h270 board, since 2400mhz is the max speed. h270 is a garbage platform in 2020. No upgrade path, same old skylake quadcores. And since you dont plan on an oc its worthless for gaming considering that board is overpriced.

RTX 3000 is coming out soon as well as refreshed zen 2, so it may be worthwhile to wait

[quote=Nygma][/quote]

What do you plan on doing with the pc. When do you plan on building it

I know those dell units have proprietary PSUs which is why you cant upgrade past anything that needs 6pin power, which is then why you are wanting to "upgrade".

Considering the fact you have all new components disregarding the cpu, you might as well buy a new pc all together. You can spend a bit more and get waaay more performance and features, like higher than 2400 ram speed, overclocking/pbo, better I/O like USB 3.1 gen 2 and more cores.

That 3200mhz ram is going to waste on that h270 board, since 2400mhz is the max speed. h270 is a garbage platform in 2020. No upgrade path, same old skylake quadcores. And since you dont plan on an oc its worthless for gaming considering that board is overpriced.

RTX 3000 is coming out soon as well as refreshed zen 2, so it may be worthwhile to wait
3624
#3624
2 Frags +

#3622
What #3623 said, but he forgot the most important question: Why are you upgrading? What are you trying to achieve?
That's not quite the same as what you're going to use it for, it's about what you want to improve compared to your current pc. That'll decide which parts you need to replace and how much faster the new ones need to be.

#3622
What #3623 said, but he forgot the most important question: Why are you upgrading? What are you trying to achieve?
That's not quite the same as what you're going to use it for, it's about what you want to improve compared to your current pc. That'll decide which parts you need to replace and how much faster the new ones need to be.
3625
#3625
0 Frags +
Fake3623Setsul3624

I want to upgrade because I am unable to maintain a constant 144fps in games other than tf2 and csgo. I can manage a constant 180fps in tf2 on mids. My computer struggles with games like valorant and risk of rain even on the lowest settings. The computer is mainly for games and streaming. My goal is to have a stable 144fps in modern games while streaming.

Taking your suggestions is this better ? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3dxpk6

I'd like to have the computer built within the month, how long would it take for the gpu/cpu/mobo to be in stock?

[quote=Fake]3623[/quote]
[quote=Setsul]3624[/quote]
I want to upgrade because I am unable to maintain a constant 144fps in games other than tf2 and csgo. I can manage a constant 180fps in tf2 on mids. My computer struggles with games like valorant and risk of rain even on the lowest settings. The computer is mainly for games and streaming. My goal is to have a stable 144fps in modern games while streaming.

Taking your suggestions is this better ? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3dxpk6

I'd like to have the computer built within the month, how long would it take for the gpu/cpu/mobo to be in stock?
3626
#3626
2 Frags +

Apart from streaming you're just GPU limited. At least I'm fairly sure that risk of rain and valorant aren't CPU limited by a 6700 on lowest settings unless you want >300 fps.

So you absolutely need a new GPU, a new PSU and should probably get a new case as well.
The rest depends on how you want to handle streaming. If you want to stick with CPU encoding I wouldn't stop at 6 cores but you can already barely afford 6 with your budget. Although it is debatable whether you really need an RTX 2060 or could make do with something cheaper. Sure, you need something faster than a 360, but do you really need something 4.5 times as fast?
The other option would be to use GPU encoding, keep everything but the GPU, PSU (you'll need an adapter cable because Dell) and case and be done with it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jn2hwh
Switched to a PSU that's in stock, but honestly, something cheaper would be enough for that 350W build.

Apart from streaming you're just GPU limited. At least I'm fairly sure that risk of rain and valorant aren't CPU limited by a 6700 on lowest settings unless you want >300 fps.

So you absolutely need a new GPU, a new PSU and should probably get a new case as well.
The rest depends on how you want to handle streaming. If you want to stick with CPU encoding I wouldn't stop at 6 cores but you can already barely afford 6 with your budget. Although it is debatable whether you really need an RTX 2060 or could make do with something cheaper. Sure, you need something faster than a 360, but do you really need something 4.5 times as fast?
The other option would be to use GPU encoding, keep everything but the GPU, PSU (you'll need an adapter cable because Dell) and case and be done with it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jn2hwh
Switched to a PSU that's in stock, but honestly, something cheaper would be enough for that 350W build.
3627
#3627
0 Frags +

Would like some help/advice for my new PC. My budget is around £4000 although I don't think it will all be needed. I was looking at a 3900x and 2080ti with 32GB of 3600 RAM. This will be for streaming as well as for my own personal work playing mainly TF2 and CSGO but also some of the newer AAA titles that are being released this year (e.g AC Valhalla). Mainly need advice whether I should purchase this now or wait for the next cards/CPUs to be released and what motherboard I should go for.

Would like some help/advice for my new PC. My budget is around £4000 although I don't think it will all be needed. I was looking at a 3900x and 2080ti with 32GB of 3600 RAM. This will be for streaming as well as for my own personal work playing mainly TF2 and CSGO but also some of the newer AAA titles that are being released this year (e.g AC Valhalla). Mainly need advice whether I should purchase this now or wait for the next cards/CPUs to be released and what motherboard I should go for.
3628
#3628
3 Frags +

Matisse Refresh (Zen2 CPUs) supposedly 7/7, nVidia GPUs starting in September (whole lineup will need a while). AMD GPUs and Zen3 most likely Q4. Definitely wait at least a month.

Matisse Refresh (Zen2 CPUs) supposedly 7/7, nVidia GPUs starting in September (whole lineup will need a while). AMD GPUs and Zen3 most likely Q4. Definitely wait at least a month.
3629
#3629
0 Frags +
SetsulMatisse Refresh (Zen2 CPUs) supposedly 7/7, nVidia GPUs starting in September (whole lineup will need a while). AMD GPUs and Zen3 most likely Q4. Definitely wait at least a month.

Alright I will wait a while thank you :)

[quote=Setsul]Matisse Refresh (Zen2 CPUs) supposedly 7/7, nVidia GPUs starting in September (whole lineup will need a while). AMD GPUs and Zen3 most likely Q4. Definitely wait at least a month.[/quote]

Alright I will wait a while thank you :)
3630
#3630
0 Frags +

Hi,

I have been recommended your services for overlooking possible PC builds. This is what I have put together so far, https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/jjoshea/saved/. Basically looking to mainly play TF2 & R6 Siege constantly over 144 and into the 200s if possible. However, I play other games as well and my goal is basically to be able to achieve over 144 in any modern shooter I might play such as Apex, Rust, PUBG etc. My Budget is about AUD $2000 give or take a few hundred.

Any help I could receive is great, probably looking to buy within the next few months so nothing urgent.

Hi,

I have been recommended your services for overlooking possible PC builds. This is what I have put together so far, https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/jjoshea/saved/. Basically looking to mainly play TF2 & R6 Siege constantly over 144 and into the 200s if possible. However, I play other games as well and my goal is basically to be able to achieve over 144 in any modern shooter I might play such as Apex, Rust, PUBG etc. My Budget is about AUD $2000 give or take a few hundred.

Any help I could receive is great, probably looking to buy within the next few months so nothing urgent.
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