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3661
#3661
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krub4sMemory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)

I am selling that exact ram kit new in packaging if you are interested in getting it cheaper. I had a ram stick go bad and had to RMA. I wasn't about to go 2 weeks without a PC so i upgraded.

https://imgur.com/a/2gGQWDW

[quote=krub4s]
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
[/quote]

I am selling that exact ram kit new in packaging if you are interested in getting it cheaper. I had a ram stick go bad and had to RMA. I wasn't about to go 2 weeks without a PC so i upgraded.

https://imgur.com/a/2gGQWDW
3662
#3662
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ok i gotta know its seriously impressive

who tf is screwb's dedicated downfragger what's it like being so bored

ok i gotta know its seriously impressive

who tf is screwb's dedicated downfragger what's it like being so bored
3663
#3663
3 Frags +
Brimstoneok i gotta know its seriously impressive

who tf is screwb's dedicated downfragger what's it like being so bored

doggo gang prob

[quote=Brimstone]ok i gotta know its seriously impressive

who tf is screwb's dedicated downfragger what's it like being so bored[/quote]
doggo gang prob
3664
#3664
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Hello gamers, I am planning on building a PC next week :)

Here is my PC part picker: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fpcZDx

Any feedback would be appreciated! I'm planning on just playing comp TF2 though I might play some other games on the side. I might also do some artsy stuff like mapping, modelling, animating, etc.

Also looking for recommendations for a (wired) mouse. Also a keyboard as well (I'm looking for mechanical, cherry red switches, 70 prob).

Thanks!

Hello gamers, I am planning on building a PC next week :)

Here is my PC part picker: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fpcZDx

Any feedback would be appreciated! I'm planning on just playing comp TF2 though I might play some other games on the side. I might also do some artsy stuff like mapping, modelling, animating, etc.

Also looking for recommendations for a (wired) mouse. Also a keyboard as well (I'm looking for mechanical, cherry red switches, 70 prob).

Thanks!
3665
#3665
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Faster RAM would be worth it but I don't know your budget.

Faster RAM would be worth it but I don't know your budget.
3666
#3666
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SetsulFaster RAM would be worth it but I don't know your budget.

I'd be willing to up the price. Any recommendations for RAM?

[quote=Setsul]Faster RAM would be worth it but I don't know your budget.[/quote]
I'd be willing to up the price. Any recommendations for RAM?
3667
#3667
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tfw I paid 328 USD for my 3700x and they're going for 270 now
hold me bros...

tfw I paid 328 USD for my 3700x and they're going for 270 now
hold me bros...
3668
#3668
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#3666
Latency would be lowest at 3733 MHz but the difference is minor and there's not many of those so 3600 MHz 16-16-16-36 is usually considered the gold standard. The cheapest on the motherboard's QVL are right now would be these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M2prxr/gskill-trident-z-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzsw
Nothing wrong with going one step down to 3466 though, even 3466 MHz CL17 has the same nominal latency as the kit you picked and on top of that Ryzen already benefits from the higher frequency.

#3666
Latency would be lowest at 3733 MHz but the difference is minor and there's not many of those so 3600 MHz 16-16-16-36 is usually considered the gold standard. The cheapest on the motherboard's QVL are right now would be these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M2prxr/gskill-trident-z-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzsw
Nothing wrong with going one step down to 3466 though, even 3466 MHz CL17 has the same nominal latency as the kit you picked and on top of that Ryzen already benefits from the higher frequency.
3669
#3669
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SetsulWell by the time you buy Matisse Refresh (3600XT) will be a thing. Some general advice:
Either commit to spending a lot of money on overclocking or don't. You'll always be held back by the weakest link.
The 212 Evo is a budget cooler, but it isn't particularly cheap in Australia so it makes no sense to buy it, especially if you're spending 300$ on a mobo.
Though I wouldn't recommend spending that much money on an X570 without a good reason. B450 is good enough and with B550 you wouldn't even have to worry about updating the BIOS for a 3600XT so that'd be both easier and cheaper.
Don't cheap out on the RAM, you can afford better timings. Check the mobo QVL just in case. Nothing worse than RAM that won't work at the advertised frequency with your mobo.
GPU depends on the settings, you might not need a 2070 Super.
https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super/images/rainbow-six-siege-1920-1080.png
A 2060 Super is much close to a 2070 than to a 2060. The performance difference is a lot less than the almost 1/3 of the price you save compared to a 2070 Super (and like I said you might not even need a 2060 Super).
That said if you can find a cheaper 2070 Super (e.g. one is on sale for 750$ right now) it's worth considering because it is a significant step up from the 2060 Super/2070.

Hi again,

I'm a big idiot, I didn't check the next page of the thread so I've only seen your reply to #3630 now. I was wondering if you could check out my updated build at https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/jjoshea/saved/#view=LndK3C . I've decided to hold off on buying a new gpu right now and I might wait to see what happens with prices (of 20&30 series) when the new 30 series cards release and keep using my 970 for the next few months. You can largely ignore builds #2, #3, & #4 as I've ruled them out, the only other build I considered was #5 but it seems I came to the same conclusion you came to in a similar thread noting the extra costs of a proper cooler and mobo to go with the already $200 more 10600k.

Also, I decided to go with a b450 because I don't plan on upgrading to the new 4000series cpu's so the forwards compatibility is largely useless to me and theres no guarantee 500series boards will be compatible with 5000series cpu's (and even then I highly doubt I'd upgrade to anything before 6000 series which almost certainly won't be compatible with 500 series). Also, with your comment on RAM, I don't remember what RAM I originally had planned in the build but I'm assuming (or hoping) this g.skill 16gb 3600Mhz is good enough?

Lastly, do you have any SSD recommendations or tips? I went with this seagate 500gb one for $125 because it was a bit cheaper than the 970 evo which I think I originally planned on, without seeming like a performance downgrade since Seagate seem to be a reputable brand but I'd greatly appreciate suggestions if you have any. I'm not against spending a little more on one. Also for the record 500gb seems to be the sweet spot for me atm since I'll bring forward my current 2tb hdd to my new computer

Thank you very much for the help.

EDIT: I was also wondering if keeping my 500w psu for the next couple months with this new build (with a 970) would be safe/okay? I just think it means I can buy the computer a little sooner and also makes it so I don't run into any troubles picking a psu once I know which GPU I'm going to buy in a few months.

[quote=Setsul]Well by the time you buy Matisse Refresh (3600XT) will be a thing. Some general advice:
Either commit to spending a lot of money on overclocking or don't. You'll always be held back by the weakest link.
The 212 Evo is a budget cooler, but it isn't particularly cheap in Australia so it makes no sense to buy it, especially if you're spending 300$ on a mobo.
Though I wouldn't recommend spending that much money on an X570 without a good reason. B450 is good enough and with B550 you wouldn't even have to worry about updating the BIOS for a 3600XT so that'd be both easier and cheaper.
Don't cheap out on the RAM, you can afford better timings. Check the mobo QVL just in case. Nothing worse than RAM that won't work at the advertised frequency with your mobo.
GPU depends on the settings, you might not need a 2070 Super.
[img]https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super/images/rainbow-six-siege-1920-1080.png[/img]
A 2060 Super is much close to a 2070 than to a 2060. The performance difference is a lot less than the almost 1/3 of the price you save compared to a 2070 Super (and like I said you might not even need a 2060 Super).
That said if you can find a cheaper 2070 Super (e.g. one is on sale for 750$ right now) it's worth considering because it is a significant step up from the 2060 Super/2070.[/quote]

Hi again,

I'm a big idiot, I didn't check the next page of the thread so I've only seen your reply to #3630 now. I was wondering if you could check out my updated build at https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/jjoshea/saved/#view=LndK3C . I've decided to hold off on buying a new gpu right now and I might wait to see what happens with prices (of 20&30 series) when the new 30 series cards release and keep using my 970 for the next few months. You can largely ignore builds #2, #3, & #4 as I've ruled them out, the only other build I considered was #5 but it seems I came to the same conclusion you came to in a similar thread noting the extra costs of a proper cooler and mobo to go with the already $200 more 10600k.

Also, I decided to go with a b450 because I don't plan on upgrading to the new 4000series cpu's so the forwards compatibility is largely useless to me and theres no guarantee 500series boards will be compatible with 5000series cpu's (and even then I highly doubt I'd upgrade to anything before 6000 series which almost certainly won't be compatible with 500 series). Also, with your comment on RAM, I don't remember what RAM I originally had planned in the build but I'm assuming (or hoping) this g.skill 16gb 3600Mhz is good enough?

Lastly, do you have any SSD recommendations or tips? I went with this seagate 500gb one for $125 because it was a bit cheaper than the 970 evo which I think I originally planned on, without seeming like a performance downgrade since Seagate seem to be a reputable brand but I'd greatly appreciate suggestions if you have any. I'm not against spending a little more on one. Also for the record 500gb seems to be the sweet spot for me atm since I'll bring forward my current 2tb hdd to my new computer

Thank you very much for the help.

EDIT: I was also wondering if keeping my 500w psu for the next couple months with this new build (with a 970) would be safe/okay? I just think it means I can buy the computer a little sooner and also makes it so I don't run into any troubles picking a psu once I know which GPU I'm going to buy in a few months.
3670
#3670
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You can probably afford better RAM, 18-22-22-42 isn't exactly the cream of the crop.
Internally the BarraCuda 510 is more or less the same as the cheaper MP510 or MP34 and not any faster iirc.
If you want to stay in that price bracket but can afford an extra 10$ (you really should) the EX950 or Sabrent Rocket (not Q) would be faster, with the Rocket being the faster of the two.

Yes, keeping the PSU is fine. That's a 200W build without the GPU, official GPU TDPs are usually 250W or lower and I really don't think you're going to buy 2080 Ti or Titan so there's really no chance of you getting a GPU with an actual power consumption over 300W (most likely it's going to be something around 200W) so I don't see a reason why you'd need a PSU with more than 500W anyway. Yes, AMD and nVidia like to put 700W PSUs as recommended minimum for a 200W GPU and 850W for a 300W GPU because some vendors (not manufacturers, vendors that just print a logo on blank 20$ PSUs bought in bulk from whichever Chinese manufacturer had some lying around) decided that because hooking up hardware with a combined TDP of 600W doesn't make a shitty 20$ 400W PSU immediately explode they can just sell it as 600W PSU for 80$. If you buy any of those PSUs you're asking for a fire anyway even if get a "700W" (actually 450-500W) that can just about power your build.

You can probably afford better RAM, 18-22-22-42 isn't exactly the cream of the crop.
Internally the BarraCuda 510 is more or less the same as the cheaper MP510 or MP34 and not any faster iirc.
If you want to stay in that price bracket but can afford an extra 10$ (you really should) the EX950 or Sabrent Rocket (not Q) would be faster, with the Rocket being the faster of the two.

Yes, keeping the PSU is fine. That's a 200W build without the GPU, official GPU TDPs are usually 250W or lower and I really don't think you're going to buy 2080 Ti or Titan so there's really no chance of you getting a GPU with an actual power consumption over 300W (most likely it's going to be something around 200W) so I don't see a reason why you'd need a PSU with more than 500W anyway. Yes, AMD and nVidia like to put 700W PSUs as recommended minimum for a 200W GPU and 850W for a 300W GPU because some vendors (not manufacturers, vendors that just print a logo on blank 20$ PSUs bought in bulk from whichever Chinese manufacturer had some lying around) decided that because hooking up hardware with a combined TDP of 600W doesn't make a shitty 20$ 400W PSU immediately explode they can just sell it as 600W PSU for 80$. If you buy any of those PSUs you're asking for a fire anyway even if get a "700W" (actually 450-500W) that can just about power your build.
3671
#3671
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SetsulYou can probably afford better RAM, 18-22-22-42 isn't exactly the cream of the crop.
Internally the BarraCuda 510 is more or less the same as the cheaper MP510 or MP34 and not any faster iirc.
If you want to stay in that price bracket but can afford an extra 10$ (you really should) the EX950 or Sabrent Rocket (not Q) would be faster, with the Rocket being the faster of the two.

Yes, keeping the PSU is fine. That's a 200W build without the GPU, official GPU TDPs are usually 250W or lower and I really don't think you're going to buy 2080 Ti or Titan so there's really no chance of you getting a GPU with an actual power consumption over 300W (most likely it's going to be something around 200W) so I don't see a reason why you'd need a PSU with more than 500W anyway. Yes, AMD and nVidia like to put 700W PSUs as recommended minimum for a 200W GPU and 850W for a 300W GPU because some vendors (not manufacturers, vendors that just print a logo on blank 20$ PSUs bought in bulk from whichever Chinese manufacturer had some lying around) decided that because hooking up hardware with a combined TDP of 600W doesn't make a shitty 20$ 400W PSU immediately explode they can just sell it as 600W PSU for 80$. If you buy any of those PSUs you're asking for a fire anyway even if get a "700W" (actually 450-500W) that can just about power your build.

Okay that sounds all good thanks. I will double check the brand of the PSU I have currently to make sure it isn't a bad part but I'd assume since it's lasted me 5 years so far it probably isn't. And since you mentioned the RAM, do you have any suggestions on a different pair?

Also it's almost certainly just because I am not familiar with SSD's but I'm surprised I've never heard of any of the one's you mentioned, which I'm not going to lie does worry me a bit but I'll take your word for it and look at some reviews haha.

[quote=Setsul]You can probably afford better RAM, 18-22-22-42 isn't exactly the cream of the crop.
Internally the BarraCuda 510 is more or less the same as the cheaper MP510 or MP34 and not any faster iirc.
If you want to stay in that price bracket but can afford an extra 10$ (you really should) the EX950 or Sabrent Rocket (not Q) would be faster, with the Rocket being the faster of the two.

Yes, keeping the PSU is fine. That's a 200W build without the GPU, official GPU TDPs are usually 250W or lower and I really don't think you're going to buy 2080 Ti or Titan so there's really no chance of you getting a GPU with an actual power consumption over 300W (most likely it's going to be something around 200W) so I don't see a reason why you'd need a PSU with more than 500W anyway. Yes, AMD and nVidia like to put 700W PSUs as recommended minimum for a 200W GPU and 850W for a 300W GPU because some vendors (not manufacturers, vendors that just print a logo on blank 20$ PSUs bought in bulk from whichever Chinese manufacturer had some lying around) decided that because hooking up hardware with a combined TDP of 600W doesn't make a shitty 20$ 400W PSU immediately explode they can just sell it as 600W PSU for 80$. If you buy any of those PSUs you're asking for a fire anyway even if get a "700W" (actually 450-500W) that can just about power your build.[/quote]

Okay that sounds all good thanks. I will double check the brand of the PSU I have currently to make sure it isn't a bad part but I'd assume since it's lasted me 5 years so far it probably isn't. And since you mentioned the RAM, do you have any suggestions on a different pair?

Also it's almost certainly just because I am not familiar with SSD's but I'm surprised I've never heard of any of the one's you mentioned, which I'm not going to lie does worry me a bit but I'll take your word for it and look at some reviews haha.
3672
#3672
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16-16-16-36 is the gold standard (and anything better is insanely expensive), but generally lower timings are better (assuming the same frequency). Even something like 17-19-19-39 is significantly better and should still be around the same price.
Ideally look for something that's on the mobo's QVL, meaning it's guaranteed to work with those settings.

Yes, looking at reviews is the correct course of action, don't just follow my word blindly. Don't look at sequential read/write speeds though they look nice and might actually meet what was advertised but you're not buying an SSD for that. Look at random aka IOPS, the actual reason for buying an SSD and mixed read + write because that is where bad controllers shit the bed.

16-16-16-36 is the gold standard (and anything better is insanely expensive), but generally lower timings are better (assuming the same frequency). Even something like 17-19-19-39 is significantly better and should still be around the same price.
Ideally look for something that's on the mobo's QVL, meaning it's guaranteed to work with those settings.

Yes, looking at reviews is the correct course of action, don't just follow my word blindly. Don't look at sequential read/write speeds though they look nice and might actually meet what was advertised but you're not buying an SSD for that. Look at random aka IOPS, the actual reason for buying an SSD and mixed read + write because that is where bad controllers shit the bed.
3673
#3673
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Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?

Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?
3674
#3674
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sunnydayHi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?

what is decent fps

[quote=sunnyday]Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?[/quote]
what is decent fps
3675
#3675
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Thinking about trying to upgrade my computer with a budget of around $200. Mainly playing Valorant these days and my frames are dropping below 100 and sometimes below 60 depending on how hectic the situation is. I'd like to be able to play other games with better fps as well.

CPU is i5-6500 and gpu is gtx 1050 ti 4gb. Full part list is here.

Been out of the pc part world for a few years now so any help is appreciated, thanks.

Thinking about trying to upgrade my computer with a budget of around $200. Mainly playing Valorant these days and my frames are dropping below 100 and sometimes below 60 depending on how hectic the situation is. I'd like to be able to play other games with better fps as well.

CPU is i5-6500 and gpu is gtx 1050 ti 4gb. Full part list is [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Andrew44771/saved/stgmGX]here[/url].

Been out of the pc part world for a few years now so any help is appreciated, thanks.
3676
#3676
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blankksunnydayHi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?what is decent fps

Idk, just to play for fun, like 100-120.

[quote=blankk][quote=sunnyday]Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?[/quote]
what is decent fps[/quote]
Idk, just to play for fun, like 100-120.
3677
#3677
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#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?

#3676
And what kind of potato are you using now that you're not getting 100 fps on 1080p low settings I assume?
Any sort of budget?
Because there's "cheapest", which is actually "cheapest reasonable budget build" and actually cheapest which means used parts and cut corners.

#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?

#3676
And what kind of potato are you using now that you're not getting 100 fps on 1080p low settings I assume?
Any sort of budget?
Because there's "cheapest", which is actually "cheapest reasonable budget build" and actually cheapest which means used parts and cut corners.
3678
#3678
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#3677
I already have a good pc, want another one so we can play multiplayer games with my brother. By cheap i mean
"cheapest reasonable budget build", so i can upgrade it later if needed.

#3677
I already have a good pc, want another one so we can play multiplayer games with my brother. By cheap i mean
"cheapest reasonable budget build", so i can upgrade it later if needed.
3679
#3679
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Setsul#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?

Do you believe adding 8 more gbs of RAM alone is going to give me a noticeable improvement in all the games I play? In terms of talking about trying to get better performance in other games, I'm just looking for an overall performance boost to my computer, but if I had to name a couple: GTA V, TF2 (currently performs fine in 6s but in more populated servers it dips), and other games ill play every now and then with friends like Warzone and Fortnite

[quote=Setsul]#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?[/quote]

Do you believe adding 8 more gbs of RAM alone is going to give me a noticeable improvement in all the games I play? In terms of talking about trying to get better performance in other games, I'm just looking for an overall performance boost to my computer, but if I had to name a couple: GTA V, TF2 (currently performs fine in 6s but in more populated servers it dips), and other games ill play every now and then with friends like Warzone and Fortnite
3680
#3680
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#3678
Ok, if you're going with the upgrade route then depending on how much GPU power you want/need your options are either an APU build (much cheaper since there's no GPU, but obviously limited GPU-wise) or CPU + discrete GPU.
Approximate budget or performance goals (game, fps, settings)?

#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).

#3678
Ok, if you're going with the upgrade route then depending on how much GPU power you want/need your options are either an APU build (much cheaper since there's no GPU, but obviously limited GPU-wise) or CPU + discrete GPU.
Approximate budget or performance goals (game, fps, settings)?

#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).
3681
#3681
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#3680
I want to play cs go and other non GPU heavy games at like 100 fps on low settings. I also have old parts from 2010: asus m4a77td, amd athlon ii x3 435, nvidia gt 240. It gives me 40-50 fps in cs go on low settings. Is it possible to upgrade them?

#3680
I want to play cs go and other non GPU heavy games at like 100 fps on low settings. I also have old parts from 2010: asus m4a77td, amd athlon ii x3 435, nvidia gt 240. It gives me 40-50 fps in cs go on low settings. Is it possible to upgrade them?
3682
#3682
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Hi I'm planning on getting a new pc build for around 2k € budget, this is the build my friend and I came up with: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/FpxgvW

I'm not sure though if I should go with Intel instead of amd or not, I want it to be able to run more demanding games as well, and be able to use it for video editing. I'm not super experienced with pc building, I just want the most bang for my buck :> Any ideas?

Hi I'm planning on getting a new pc build for around 2k € budget, this is the build my friend and I came up with: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/FpxgvW

I'm not sure though if I should go with Intel instead of amd or not, I want it to be able to run more demanding games as well, and be able to use it for video editing. I'm not super experienced with pc building, I just want the most bang for my buck :> Any ideas?
3683
#3683
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Setsul#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).

The goal is 150+ fps in all situations in game for Valorant at 1080p but if you don't think I can upgrade much at the $200 price range, what would you suggest at $250 or even $300?

[quote=Setsul]
#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).[/quote]

The goal is 150+ fps in all situations in game for Valorant at 1080p but if you don't think I can upgrade much at the $200 price range, what would you suggest at $250 or even $300?
3684
#3684
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#3681
Upgrade as in replace them? Because none of that is worth keeping. Maybe case and PSU, that would at least same some money.
Even a 3200G on its own should be more than twice as fast (CPU and GPU-wise), so that, a mobo and some DDR4 RAM should be enough to get you your 100 fps in CS:GO. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqgrzY
Cheaper if you're willing to get used parts.

#3682
Looks ok. 3900XT is an option, though maybe not the most bang for buck.
3900X(T) is much better for rendering than a 10900K(F) and the difference in graphically demanding games is going to be almost negligible since the GPU has a way bigger impact there. So I'd stick with AMD.
Mobo could be better VRM-wise, especially if you want to overclock.
If you're not in a hurry I'd wait for new GPUs. Obviously that's generally a good idea but it would be a waste to pay for B550 to get PCIe 4.0 and then buy a GPU that doesn't support it.
Slightly better RAM https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw

#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.

#3681
Upgrade as in replace them? Because none of that is worth keeping. Maybe case and PSU, that would at least same some money.
Even a 3200G on its own should be more than twice as fast (CPU and GPU-wise), so that, a mobo and some DDR4 RAM should be enough to get you your 100 fps in CS:GO. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqgrzY
Cheaper if you're willing to get used parts.

#3682
Looks ok. 3900XT is an option, though maybe not the most bang for buck.
3900X(T) is much better for rendering than a 10900K(F) and the difference in graphically demanding games is going to be almost negligible since the GPU has a way bigger impact there. So I'd stick with AMD.
Mobo could be better VRM-wise, especially if you want to overclock.
If you're not in a hurry I'd wait for new GPUs. Obviously that's generally a good idea but it would be a waste to pay for B550 to get PCIe 4.0 and then buy a GPU that doesn't support it.
Slightly better RAM https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw

#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.
3685
#3685
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So I do work from home, I have the extra money monthly to make this work, I know payment pre-built plans are not the best, but I don’t really wanna wait and save up all the money for a extensive setup. This is with origin in a 90' standard orientation super tower. I wanna stream, I want to record gaming and do work for my personal channel on the side. I was also thinking about getting an external capture card for platform stuff, probably gonna record my own game play footage of new shit with the ps5 and all that jazz. I also have some ideas along the lines of machinima style creative content I wanna make. For the PC stuff, for anything not TF2, CSGO, Quake, I really would like to have fun and play/record stuff at 1080p with good frames. Like single player games, metro exodus, death stranding, anything like that new coming out,

90 Standard Orientation
Intel Core i9 10900KF 10-Core 3.7GHz (5.3GHz TurboBoost)
MEG Z490 GODLIKE
64GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 3466MHz (4x16GB)
CORSAIR H100i PRO XT RGB
CORSAIR SP120 PRO Performance iCUE RGB
1TB Firecuda 520 NVMe for the operating drive, a 2nd one for the storage.
CORSAIR AX1600i ATX PLATINUM
Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro MK.2
Vantec SuperSpeed USB 3.0 All-In-One Memory Card Reader/Writer
Creative Sound Blaster AE-5 Plus for the card

In the end, I'm gonna get the pc, take it apart, put it back together, make sure everything is straight. for what I'm paying, like about 250 a month, I also get a three year part replacement security plan for al the parts. I could overclock the gpu and cpu and have my way with the corsair H100i pro xt cooling, I'm sorta on the fence seeing that I could go and just overclock it all and if anything gets warped I could replace the parts and keep everything pretty tame.

They suggest getting a mouse, but Ive been putting my time in with the g502 hero for a few years, on my 2nd run with one, so i dont think Ill pick one up. The big issue for me is the monitor, ASUS VG248QG or ASUS TUF VG27AQ? A few reasons I ask, is because I've been playing tf2 for 10 years, 5 of those years have been on a 27inch 60 Hz imac. The screen size with my mouse is an important factor and I don't wanna start over with my aim. The 2nd monitor is the same size as what I've been playing on, but I just wanna know if I'm better off taking the time putting the work in with the VG248QG... it would save me nearly 50 bucks a month. So thoughts on the setup, any thoughts on what I should do monitor wise?

So I do work from home, I have the extra money monthly to make this work, I know payment pre-built plans are not the best, but I don’t really wanna wait and save up all the money for a extensive setup. This is with origin in a 90' standard orientation super tower. I wanna stream, I want to record gaming and do work for my personal channel on the side. I was also thinking about getting an external capture card for platform stuff, probably gonna record my own game play footage of new shit with the ps5 and all that jazz. I also have some ideas along the lines of machinima style creative content I wanna make. For the PC stuff, for anything not TF2, CSGO, Quake, I really would like to have fun and play/record stuff at 1080p with good frames. Like single player games, metro exodus, death stranding, anything like that new coming out,

90 Standard Orientation
Intel Core i9 10900KF 10-Core 3.7GHz (5.3GHz TurboBoost)
MEG Z490 GODLIKE
64GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 3466MHz (4x16GB)
CORSAIR H100i PRO XT RGB
CORSAIR SP120 PRO Performance iCUE RGB
1TB Firecuda 520 NVMe for the operating drive, a 2nd one for the storage.
CORSAIR AX1600i ATX PLATINUM
Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro MK.2
Vantec SuperSpeed USB 3.0 All-In-One Memory Card Reader/Writer
Creative Sound Blaster AE-5 Plus for the card

In the end, I'm gonna get the pc, take it apart, put it back together, make sure everything is straight. for what I'm paying, like about 250 a month, I also get a three year part replacement security plan for al the parts. I could overclock the gpu and cpu and have my way with the corsair H100i pro xt cooling, I'm sorta on the fence seeing that I could go and just overclock it all and if anything gets warped I could replace the parts and keep everything pretty tame.

They suggest getting a mouse, but Ive been putting my time in with the g502 hero for a few years, on my 2nd run with one, so i dont think Ill pick one up. The big issue for me is the monitor, ASUS VG248QG or ASUS TUF VG27AQ? A few reasons I ask, is because I've been playing tf2 for 10 years, 5 of those years have been on a 27inch 60 Hz imac. The screen size with my mouse is an important factor and I don't wanna start over with my aim. The 2nd monitor is the same size as what I've been playing on, but I just wanna know if I'm better off taking the time putting the work in with the VG248QG... it would save me nearly 50 bucks a month. So thoughts on the setup, any thoughts on what I should do monitor wise?
3686
#3686
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Setsul#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.

Alright I'll look into buying another stick of RAM then in that case. The current RAM stick I have in my pc is: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory. I know you mentioned trying to get the same model, but the only ones I could find have inflated prices or would have to be purchased used. Do you have a recommendation for RAM with the same specs that you think I should get? Or should I just try to get the cheapest possible?

[quote=Setsul]
#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.[/quote]

Alright I'll look into buying another stick of RAM then in that case. The current RAM stick I have in my pc is: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory. I know you mentioned trying to get the same model, but the only ones I could find have inflated prices or would have to be purchased used. Do you have a recommendation for RAM with the same specs that you think I should get? Or should I just try to get the cheapest possible?
3687
#3687
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Thanks for your help Setsul!
What would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus? Would they be considerably better? Do you have an idea of when they'd be released?
Also, do you have any recommendations for a better mobo if I end up sticking with the 2080 super gpu?

Thanks for your help Setsul!
What would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus? Would they be considerably better? Do you have an idea of when they'd be released?
Also, do you have any recommendations for a better mobo if I end up sticking with the 2080 super gpu?
3688
#3688
0 Frags +
EnzoWhat would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus?

Even if the new lines of GPUs aren't amazingly better, the older ones will usually drop in price to make way for the new line. So either you save money on a current gen GPU, or you can get a sick new gen GPU.

[quote=Enzo]What would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus?[/quote]

Even if the new lines of GPUs aren't amazingly better, the older ones will usually drop in price to make way for the new line. So either you save money on a current gen GPU, or you can get a sick new gen GPU.
3689
#3689
1 Frags +

#3685
Not the best is an understatement.

I don't see a GPU.
Are you going to be using CPU or GPU encoding?
Why a 10900KF? What do you need that for?
Why 64GB RAM?
Am I reading that correctly? Why are you using an NVMe SSD for storage?
What in the world do you need a 1600W PSU for? How many GPUs do you plan on adding? 4? You know you can only fit 2, right?

24" 1080p TN panel vs 27" 1440p IPS isn't even remotely the same category.
You buy a 24" 1080p TN panel because it's cheap and fast, you buy a 27" 1440p IPS panel for the pretty colours and you're willing to pay a lot for that.

Congratulations, you just selected the most expensive option for everything and realized that you can't afford it by the time you got to the monitor. Great example of living beyond your means on credit.

#3686

Setsulsame specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though)

If it's actually the BLS8G4D240FSB you've got in the list on pcpartpicker then that's 8GB, 2400 MHz, 16-16-16-? because tRAS is apparently a secret, 1.2V. Just put in the filters and get the cheapest.

#3687
Faster in the same price bracket, same performance should be cheaper. Depends on your definition of "considerable". Supposedly starting in September, but no official announcements.
I checked again and since the mediocre VRMs of the PRIME B450-Plus they've actually improved things. If you're not going to use PCIe 4.0 you can get the same cheaper with a B450 board though.
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/BHBhP6/msi-b450-gaming-plus-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-plus-max
or if you want µATX https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/h7WBD3/msi-b450m-mortar-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-mortar-max
if for some reason you absolutely need USB-C https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcYQzy/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk-max
Or you could go with something more expensive if you're trying for a very high OC but then I'd recommend the 3900XT and a larger cooler.

#3685
Not the best is an understatement.

I don't see a GPU.
Are you going to be using CPU or GPU encoding?
Why a 10900KF? What do you need that for?
Why 64GB RAM?
Am I reading that correctly? Why are you using an NVMe SSD for storage?
What in the world do you need a 1600W PSU for? How many GPUs do you plan on adding? 4? You know you can only fit 2, right?

24" 1080p TN panel vs 27" 1440p IPS isn't even remotely the same category.
You buy a 24" 1080p TN panel because it's cheap and fast, you buy a 27" 1440p IPS panel for the pretty colours and you're willing to pay a lot for that.

Congratulations, you just selected the most expensive option for everything and realized that you can't afford it by the time you got to the monitor. Great example of living beyond your means on credit.

#3686
[quote=Setsul]same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though)[/quote]
If it's actually the BLS8G4D240FSB you've got in the list on pcpartpicker then that's 8GB, 2400 MHz, 16-16-16-? because tRAS is apparently a secret, 1.2V. Just put in the filters and get the cheapest.

#3687
Faster in the same price bracket, same performance should be cheaper. Depends on your definition of "considerable". Supposedly starting in September, but no official announcements.
I checked again and since the mediocre VRMs of the PRIME B450-Plus they've actually improved things. If you're not going to use PCIe 4.0 you can get the same cheaper with a B450 board though.
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/BHBhP6/msi-b450-gaming-plus-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-plus-max
or if you want µATX https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/h7WBD3/msi-b450m-mortar-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-mortar-max
if for some reason you absolutely need USB-C https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcYQzy/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk-max
Or you could go with something more expensive if you're trying for a very high OC but then I'd recommend the 3900XT and a larger cooler.
3690
#3690
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I wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing

I wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing
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