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#3571
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Why do you want that CPU specifically?
Overclocking yes/no?
Budget?
When are you planning on building it?

As always a 36€ 212 Evo is neither here nor there. It's a good budget cooler for <30€, but if you're not limited by the budget it makes no sense because there's far better coolers even in the range of 30-40€, if you don't need anything better because you're not overclocking it makes no sense because the stock cooler will do just fine and in general for 36€ it's just meh.

Why do you want that CPU specifically?
Overclocking yes/no?
Budget?
When are you planning on building it?

As always a 36€ 212 Evo is neither here nor there. It's a good budget cooler for <30€, but if you're not limited by the budget it makes no sense because there's far better coolers even in the range of 30-40€, if you don't need anything better because you're not overclocking it makes no sense because the stock cooler will do just fine and in general for 36€ it's just meh.
3572
#3572
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- Had it recommended to me by a friend and when I did some research it seemed to review really well. It's a good price too.

- I won't be overclocking any time soon, no.

- Ideally I'm looking to spend up to 1300 including monitor. 1500 is absolute max, but ideally 1000-1300. So any cost savings are appreciated.

-I'm probably going to order all the parts this weekend and build it when it all comes really. Hopefully by next weekend.

If I can save money and not have an extra cooler if I don't need it then then that's great. I'm not bothered about stuff like 4k and TF2 is the main game I play (though may play some AAA games tbh), so I also assume my GPU could be downgraded. Maybe an RX 5500 XT?

- Had it recommended to me by a friend and when I did some research it seemed to review really well. It's a good price too.

- I won't be overclocking any time soon, no.

- Ideally I'm looking to spend up to 1300 including monitor. 1500 is absolute max, but ideally 1000-1300. So any cost savings are appreciated.

-I'm probably going to order all the parts this weekend and build it when it all comes really. Hopefully by next weekend.

If I can save money and not have an extra cooler if I don't need it then then that's great. I'm not bothered about stuff like 4k and TF2 is the main game I play (though may play some AAA games tbh), so I also assume my GPU could be downgraded. Maybe an RX 5500 XT?
3573
#3573
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Have you ever seen a badly reviewed CPU? Also pay attention to where it does well. Unless you're streaming the 6 cores aren't going to do a whole lot in TF2. It would be neither here nor there again. Not clocked high enough to do great in TF2 but also not cheap to make the performance acceptable.
I mean why is it a good price? Have you compared it with other similarly priced CPUs? Or did you really plan your build around the first CPU you heard about after you saw it's <200€?

Yeah, drop the cooler. Also low-ish clockrate and low-ish RAM clock really won't be helping for TF2 performance.
On that note always go for dual channel. 1x16GB makes no sense.

Do you really need a 970 Evo then? 660p maybe or something even cheaper?

Ok. No time to wait for any new CPUs as expected.

Well for TF2 you can get away with an even cheaper GPU. No idea about Bannerlord. AAA games depends on what you're going for. I mean a 5500 XT is probably not going to get you 144 fps or 60 fps on max settings in a 2020 AAA game but it's not like anything less than that is unplayable.

Have you ever seen a badly reviewed CPU? Also pay attention to where it does well. Unless you're streaming the 6 cores aren't going to do a whole lot in TF2. It would be neither here nor there again. Not clocked high enough to do great in TF2 but also not cheap to make the performance acceptable.
I mean why is it a good price? Have you compared it with other similarly priced CPUs? Or did you really plan your build around the first CPU you heard about after you saw it's <200€?

Yeah, drop the cooler. Also low-ish clockrate and low-ish RAM clock really won't be helping for TF2 performance.
On that note always go for dual channel. 1x16GB makes no sense.

Do you really need a 970 Evo then? 660p maybe or something even cheaper?

Ok. No time to wait for any new CPUs as expected.

Well for TF2 you can get away with an even cheaper GPU. No idea about Bannerlord. AAA games depends on what you're going for. I mean a 5500 XT is probably not going to get you 144 fps or 60 fps on max settings in a 2020 AAA game but it's not like anything less than that is unplayable.
3574
#3574
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Well yeah actually. But a lot of sites/reviewers tend to recommend the one I opted for. I mean, I'm open to other suggestions, From what I gather, Ryzen is better value for money than intel at the lower/mid end and I guess Intel is best at high price points (which I don't want). SO i opted for a Ryzen and that one seems to be popular.

Feel free to recommend others. What would you suggest?

Okay cooler dropped. And I think you're right on the EVo from what I understand. So you suggest I overclock the cpu? I mean I could, if it's simple enough to do.

What about the power? Is 650 too much considering partpicker suggests it will use about 350. I assume overclocking uses more?

Well yeah actually. But a lot of sites/reviewers tend to recommend the one I opted for. I mean, I'm open to other suggestions, From what I gather, Ryzen is better value for money than intel at the lower/mid end and I guess Intel is best at high price points (which I don't want). SO i opted for a Ryzen and that one seems to be popular.

Feel free to recommend others. What would you suggest?

Okay cooler dropped. And I think you're right on the EVo from what I understand. So you suggest I overclock the cpu? I mean I could, if it's simple enough to do.

What about the power? Is 650 too much considering partpicker suggests it will use about 350. I assume overclocking uses more?
3575
#3575
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Generalizing like that almost never works. Also if anything it's the opposite. I don't really see a 2200G/3200G winning against even an i3-9100, especially in games. Or even a 2400G/3400G and those are significantly more expensive. The 1200 is so outdated it's not even fair anymore and the 2300X is OEM only. If you don't need the GPU of the G a 9100F costs about the same as a 1200 and it's not even close. So if you want a fast quad core there's not a whole lot on the AMD side. On the other hand if you just want more threads and the per core/thread speed doesn't really matter it's hard to argue with the 1600 12nm refresh. 85$ for 6 cores/12 threads. Same at the high end. Yeah sure, a 9900K is faster per core/thread, but either you're buying 8 cores/16 threads for no reason or a 12 core/24 thread 3900X is going to run circles around it. Anything in between, especially for games, it's not so clear-cut. There are enough games where more than 4 cores do help (not TF2) but more than 8 threads not so much. It's nice that the 3600(X)/3700X/3800X come with SMT, but it barely makes a difference so 9600(K/F/KF)/9700(K/F/KF) are actually worth considering.
Going blindly by brand and the choosing whatever's most popular is a really bad idea. Popularity is rarely an indicator of quality nor is there any guarantee that what works best for someone else works best for you. If you're doing the same thing sure, but TF2 has always been a special case.

Anyway I'd say either drop down to 4 cores, which'll do fine for TF2, or go for higher clockrates and faster RAM.
3600X is kind of meh, 3600 should get you almost the same performance, especially if you overclock it, but the upside of TF2 being shit is that even those 0.2 GHz could get you another +5% fps. RAM is more important. Getting 3600 MHz RAM is going to do more than getting a 3600X instead of a 3600. At the very least don't go below 3200.
Not sure if a 9400F would be faster (it's definitely cheaper though) but a 9600(KF) definitely would be.
For quadcores the previously mentioned 9100F is dirt cheap, 9300/9320 for higher clockrate.
For all the Intel options would be ideal to wait for Comet Lake and enjoy the price drop or get the next-gen equivalent but I guess it can't be helped. They are at least worth considering though.

Won't get much out of it on a 3600 but it's free so might as well. Not that difficult.

Yes, but if overclocking doubles the power consumption something is probably on fire. Pcpartpicker isn't that great outside of the USA and finding good PSUs at a decent price is always difficult even with price comparison sites. You might just have to check whatever shop(s) you end up buying from manually.

Generalizing like that almost never works. Also if anything it's the opposite. I don't really see a 2200G/3200G winning against even an i3-9100, especially in games. Or even a 2400G/3400G and those are significantly more expensive. The 1200 is so outdated it's not even fair anymore and the 2300X is OEM only. If you don't need the GPU of the G a 9100F costs about the same as a 1200 and it's not even close. So if you want a fast quad core there's not a whole lot on the AMD side. On the other hand if you just want more threads and the per core/thread speed doesn't really matter it's hard to argue with the 1600 12nm refresh. 85$ for 6 cores/12 threads. Same at the high end. Yeah sure, a 9900K is faster per core/thread, but either you're buying 8 cores/16 threads for no reason or a 12 core/24 thread 3900X is going to run circles around it. Anything in between, especially for games, it's not so clear-cut. There are enough games where more than 4 cores do help (not TF2) but more than 8 threads not so much. It's nice that the 3600(X)/3700X/3800X come with SMT, but it barely makes a difference so 9600(K/F/KF)/9700(K/F/KF) are actually worth considering.
Going blindly by brand and the choosing whatever's most popular is a really bad idea. Popularity is rarely an indicator of quality nor is there any guarantee that what works best for someone else works best for you. If you're doing the same thing sure, but TF2 has always been a special case.

Anyway I'd say either drop down to 4 cores, which'll do fine for TF2, or go for higher clockrates and faster RAM.
3600X is kind of meh, 3600 should get you almost the same performance, especially if you overclock it, but the upside of TF2 being shit is that even those 0.2 GHz could get you another +5% fps. RAM is more important. Getting 3600 MHz RAM is going to do more than getting a 3600X instead of a 3600. At the very least don't go below 3200.
Not sure if a 9400F would be faster (it's definitely cheaper though) but a 9600(KF) definitely would be.
For quadcores the previously mentioned 9100F is dirt cheap, 9300/9320 for higher clockrate.
For all the Intel options would be ideal to wait for Comet Lake and enjoy the price drop or get the next-gen equivalent but I guess it can't be helped. They are at least worth considering though.

Won't get much out of it on a 3600 but it's free so might as well. Not that difficult.

Yes, but if overclocking doubles the power consumption something is probably on fire. Pcpartpicker isn't that great outside of the USA and finding good PSUs at a decent price is always difficult even with price comparison sites. You might just have to check whatever shop(s) you end up buying from manually.
3576
#3576
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Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.

Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.
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#3577
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WazrachSpeaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.

That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.

Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.

4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.

[quote=Wazrach]Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.[/quote]

That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.

Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.

4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.
3578
#3578
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#3577
It's 4400 or 4266 MHz Cl19, that's 8.64 or 8.91 ns latency.
3600 MHz CL14 is 7.78 ns, 3733 MHz is 7.50 ns.
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?

Also you maybe should've checked the QVL and/or manufacturer's website.
https://viper.patriotmemory.com/products/viper-steel-ddr4-performance-memory-ram-viper-gaming-by-patriot-memory

***Viper Steel 4400MHz memory kits require specific CPU and Motherboard.****

QVL CPUs: Intel I7-8700K | Intel I9-9900K

#3578
Nope. 4400/4266 CL19 or 2133 CL15. 4400 CL15 would be insane.
https://assets.website-files.com/5cdb2ee0b102f96c3906500f/5dd6b314aa0dd278b0b6efc6_PVS416G440C9K%20Sku%20Sheet_Copyable_062819.pdf

Base Frequency: PC4-17000 (2133MHz)
Base Timings: 15-15-15-36
Tested Frequency Profile 1: PC4-35200 (4400MHz)
Tested Frequency Profile 2: PC4-34100 (4266MHz)
Tested Timings: 19-19-19-39
Tested Voltage for Profile 1: 1.45V
Tested Voltage for Profile 2: 1.35V

1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19.

#3577
It's 4400 or 4266 MHz Cl19, that's 8.64 or 8.91 ns latency.
3600 MHz CL14 is 7.78 ns, 3733 MHz is 7.50 ns.
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?

Also you maybe should've checked the QVL and/or manufacturer's website.
https://viper.patriotmemory.com/products/viper-steel-ddr4-performance-memory-ram-viper-gaming-by-patriot-memory
[quote]***Viper Steel 4400MHz memory kits require specific CPU and Motherboard.****

QVL CPUs: Intel I7-8700K | Intel I9-9900K[/quote]

#3578
Nope. 4400/4266 CL19 or 2133 CL15. 4400 CL15 would be insane.
https://assets.website-files.com/5cdb2ee0b102f96c3906500f/5dd6b314aa0dd278b0b6efc6_PVS416G440C9K%20Sku%20Sheet_Copyable_062819.pdf
[quote]Base Frequency: PC4-17000 (2133MHz)
Base Timings: 15-15-15-36
Tested Frequency Profile 1: PC4-35200 (4400MHz)
Tested Frequency Profile 2: PC4-34100 (4266MHz)
Tested Timings: 19-19-19-39
Tested Voltage for Profile 1: 1.45V
Tested Voltage for Profile 2: 1.35V[/quote]
1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19.
3579
#3579
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FakeWazrachSpeaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.
That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.

Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.

4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.

I'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.

[quote=Fake][quote=Wazrach]Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.[/quote]

That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.

Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.

4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.[/quote]

I'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.
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#3580
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Setsul#3577
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?

I'm not surprised at all, I just wanted to see how far I could push it. :P

I'm no tech expert but I've been learning through trial and error. Besides, multiple people said they achieved 3600 C14 with that exact kit. Haven't had any issues.

[quote=Setsul]#3577
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?[/quote]

I'm not surprised at all, I just wanted to see how far I could push it. :P

I'm no tech expert but I've been learning through trial and error. Besides, multiple people said they achieved 3600 C14 with that exact kit. Haven't had any issues.
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#3581
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WazrachI'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.

Decoupling of IF is no bueno, but many 3600s mostly seem to work fine on >1800mhz, you may need to increase the IF voltage to get higher RAM clocks, but you could degrade the CPU by doing that so its kind of risky. Not worth it.

Just curious to what voltages/timings/settings you are running at. In theory 1.5V with B die is safe 24/7 as long as you can cool it.

[quote=Wazrach]
I'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.[/quote]
Decoupling of IF is no bueno, but many 3600s mostly seem to work fine on >1800mhz, you may need to increase the IF voltage to get higher RAM clocks, but you could degrade the CPU by doing that so its kind of risky. Not worth it.

Just curious to what voltages/timings/settings you are running at. In theory 1.5V with B die is safe 24/7 as long as you can cool it.
3582
#3582
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You can edit posts, no need to post twice in 2 minutes.
If all you wanted was 3733 MHz CL14 it would've been a lot easier to start with a 3600 MHz CL15 kit that's already at 8.33 ns with only 1.35 V (-> some room for higher voltage left) instead of trying to force a kit that needs 1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19 = 8.64 ns into that.

Not that it really matters all that much. IF dominates the latency anyway so even 3733 Mhz CL15 would win against 3600 Mhz CL14 in both latency and bandwidth. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.

You can edit posts, no need to post twice in 2 minutes.
If all you wanted was 3733 MHz CL14 it would've been a lot easier to start with a 3600 MHz CL15 kit that's already at 8.33 ns with only 1.35 V (-> some room for higher voltage left) instead of trying to force a kit that needs 1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19 = 8.64 ns into that.

Not that it really matters all that much. IF dominates the latency anyway so even 3733 Mhz CL15 would win against 3600 Mhz CL14 in both latency and bandwidth. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.
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#3583
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SetsulI'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.

Neither do I to be honest. It's all complicated to me. I only learned what little I know fairly recently.

I thought the "gold standard" was 3600 C16 kits for nearly £200, which supposedly work out of the box. I bought the Patriot Viper set for £145 after reading you can run it at 3600Mhz C14 with a bit of work. I was reading for a little while about ram speed and latency and how that works with Ryzen, trying to get my head around it.

Are you saying I can run it at 3733 C15 and that will be better than what I'm currently using?

[quote=Setsul]I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.[/quote]

Neither do I to be honest. It's all complicated to me. I only learned what little I know fairly recently.

I thought the "gold standard" was 3600 C16 kits for nearly £200, which supposedly work out of the box. I bought the Patriot Viper set for £145 after reading you can run it at 3600Mhz C14 with a bit of work. I was reading for a little while about ram speed and latency and how that works with Ryzen, trying to get my head around it.

Are you saying I can run it at 3733 C15 and that will be better than what I'm currently using?
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#3584
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The goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.

Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.

The goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.

Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.
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#3585
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SetsulThe goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.

Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.

Thanks for that, I'll give it a go!

[quote=Setsul]The goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.

Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.[/quote]

Thanks for that, I'll give it a go!
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#3586
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update: i've built together my pc from the suggestions here. other than some minor gpu coil whine I love it so thanks to everyone who helped. :D

update: i've built together my pc from the suggestions here. other than some minor gpu coil whine I love it so thanks to everyone who helped. :D
3587
#3587
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BYB4n
I would like to build a new pc for diabotical, tf2, csgo and daw production. Have a budget of about ~$600 but savings are appreciated. Already have a case and a cpu cooler(cryorig h7) that I plan to use. I would like to buy the parts soon but if I can see big performance benefit for the same price I am more than willing to wait. I'm also wondering if locking the i5 9600F at 4.1ghz has any performance benefits in game or would I just be better off leaving the turbo increase as it seems fit? Any suggestions would be appreciated :)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BYB4n
I would like to build a new pc for diabotical, tf2, csgo and daw production. Have a budget of about ~$600 but savings are appreciated. Already have a case and a cpu cooler(cryorig h7) that I plan to use. I would like to buy the parts soon but if I can see big performance benefit for the same price I am more than willing to wait. I'm also wondering if locking the i5 9600F at 4.1ghz has any performance benefits in game or would I just be better off leaving the turbo increase as it seems fit? Any suggestions would be appreciated :)
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#3588
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sgh6mg

edit: after talking with him some more about what he wants, this is the new build i came up with : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gkd8Xv

This is a build i came up with for my friend. Its already a bit overbudget as i didn't think to buy a wifi card so i can't really make any upgrades beyond this point. there's also a chance he'll settle for ddr4-2400 ram because of this. Is there anything clearly wrong with my build?

other info:
no overclocking
wants to be able to play current gen games but isn't too worried about graphics, as long as he is able to run it at 60fps
budget is <420
planning on building asap
the 960 is my hand-me-down to him

[s]https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sgh6mg
[/s]

edit: after talking with him some more about what he wants, this is the new build i came up with : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gkd8Xv

This is a build i came up with for my friend. Its already a bit overbudget as i didn't think to buy a wifi card so i can't really make any upgrades beyond this point. there's also a chance he'll settle for ddr4-2400 ram because of this. Is there anything clearly wrong with my build?

other info:
no overclocking
wants to be able to play current gen games but isn't too worried about graphics, as long as he is able to run it at 60fps
budget is <420
planning on building asap
the 960 is my hand-me-down to him
3589
#3589
0 Frags +
grain_death

Firstly i know its a typo, but we are talking about the 9400f, and if you plan on "enabling multi core enhancement" or anything like that, I wouldnt hold my breath about that on a B series motherboard with a locked processor. It will boost to 3.9ghz max all core, and that is if you are under a 65W TDP, should be fine in games though.

crybaby

You should buy a Ryzen 5 1600 AF. It is basically the 2600 but its cheaper. Look for a 1600 AF or 1600 (12nm)

Having a single stick of memory really isnt worth it imo. You would be better off with 2933mhz/3000 dual channel.

SilentWings fans are good but they are expensive, try for cheaper fans like arctic 120 pwm silent fans. Pretty much do the same thing.

[quote=grain_death]
[/quote]

Firstly i know its a typo, but we are talking about the 9400f, and if you plan on "enabling multi core enhancement" or anything like that, I wouldnt hold my breath about that on a B series motherboard with a locked processor. It will boost to 3.9ghz max all core, and that is if you are under a 65W TDP, should be fine in games though.

[quote=crybaby][/quote]

You should buy a Ryzen 5 1600 AF. It is basically the 2600 but its cheaper. Look for a 1600 AF or 1600 (12nm)

Having a single stick of memory really isnt worth it imo. You would be better off with 2933mhz/3000 dual channel.

SilentWings fans are good but they are expensive, try for cheaper fans like arctic 120 pwm silent fans. Pretty much do the same thing.
3590
#3590
4 Frags +

#3588
B365 is limited to 2666 MHz RAM.
MCE or whatever it's called for that mobo should get you a bit more performance at the cost of increased power consumption. I'm not sure how much B365 is allowed to fiddle with the TDP though, so it might not be nearly as much as on a Z mobo that can just set the power limit to 4096W, effectively removing it.
Also since the max all core turbo is 3.9 you will get that with 5/6 cores active and 4.0 with 2-4 cores. You only get 4.1 with a single core and even TF2 uses more than 1.

Intel 10th gen announcent 27th of April, launch 30th of May, afaik. Not sure if you're willing to wait.

I'm also not convinced that the 9400F is the ideal choice. A 3600 would allow you to actually use 3200 (or higher) RAM and with that plus the fact that even with the stock cooler a 3600 should boost to 4.1 all core, more for single core and probably slightly more for everything with an H7, I doubt that the 9400F would be any faster in games. For DAW 12 threads vs 6 threads means it won't even be close.

#3589
2 sticks of RAM, always. With a mobo with 4 slots you're not even sacrificing any upgradeability so throwing away half the bandwidth by not using Dual Channel makes no sense.
The 1600 AF isn't exactly the same as the 2600, it's lower clocked, but it is a cheaper and only marginally slower option. Think 2600X vs 2600. The 1600 AF is rarely sold for the 85$ MSRP, usually 100$ instead, and the 2600 is down to 125$ from 200$ MSRP but those 25$ could still solve your budget problems.

#3588
B365 is limited to 2666 MHz RAM.
MCE or whatever it's called for that mobo should get you a bit more performance at the cost of increased power consumption. I'm not sure how much B365 is allowed to fiddle with the TDP though, so it might not be nearly as much as on a Z mobo that can just set the power limit to 4096W, effectively removing it.
Also since the max all core turbo is 3.9 you will get that with 5/6 cores active and 4.0 with 2-4 cores. You only get 4.1 with a single core and even TF2 uses more than 1.

Intel 10th gen announcent 27th of April, launch 30th of May, afaik. Not sure if you're willing to wait.

I'm also not convinced that the 9400F is the ideal choice. A 3600 would allow you to actually use 3200 (or higher) RAM and with that plus the fact that even with the stock cooler a 3600 should boost to 4.1 all core, more for single core and probably slightly more for everything with an H7, I doubt that the 9400F would be any faster in games. For DAW 12 threads vs 6 threads means it won't even be close.

#3589
2 sticks of RAM, always. With a mobo with 4 slots you're not even sacrificing any upgradeability so throwing away half the bandwidth by not using Dual Channel makes no sense.
The 1600 AF isn't exactly the same as the 2600, it's lower clocked, but it is a cheaper and only marginally slower option. Think 2600X vs 2600. The 1600 AF is rarely sold for the 85$ MSRP, usually 100$ instead, and the 2600 is down to 125$ from 200$ MSRP but those 25$ could still solve your budget problems.
3591
#3591
0 Frags +

I'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.

Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)

Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.

If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance!

I'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.

Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)

Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.

If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance!
3592
#3592
3 Frags +
zxpI'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.

Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)

Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.

If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance!

Will he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.

Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?

[quote=zxp]I'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.

Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)

Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.

If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance![/quote]

Will he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.

Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?
3593
#3593
2 Frags +

#3592
See #3593.

Also:

zxpOverclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately

That's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?

#3592
See #3593.

Also:
[quote=zxp]Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
[/quote]
That's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?
3594
#3594
0 Frags +
_KermitWill he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.

Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?

He wants to Dark Souls 3 on it as well, but doesn't have any particular new games in mind. No video editing or anything of the sorts. Just normal programming (which he could do on pretty much any machine). Based on what he told me I think he would like to play modern RPG games, so that would be the priority.

Setsul#3592
See #3593.

Also:zxpOverclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediatelyThat's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?

But suppose a game comes out in 5 years, which doesn't run silky smooth. I think then the option to overclock would be nice(?)

[quote=_Kermit]
Will he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.

Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?[/quote]

He wants to Dark Souls 3 on it as well, but doesn't have any particular new games in mind. No video editing or anything of the sorts. Just normal programming (which he could do on pretty much any machine). Based on what he told me I think he would like to play modern RPG games, so that would be the priority.


[quote=Setsul]#3592
See #3593.

Also:
[quote=zxp]Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
[/quote]
That's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?[/quote]

But suppose a game comes out in 5 years, which doesn't run silky smooth. I think then the option to overclock would be nice(?)
3595
#3595
2 Frags +

Anything more specific than "modern RPG games"?
Also when is he going to build it?

So you think that when a game doesn't run silky smooth on a 5 years old CPU an extra 10% are going to save you?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't cheap out on the mobo to block any attempts at overclocking, but in the case of Intel paying 50€ extra for a K CPU, 50€ extra for a Z mobo and another 50€ for a cooler now just because maybe in 5 years they might actually be useful...

Anything more specific than "modern RPG games"?
Also when is he going to build it?

So you think that when a game doesn't run silky smooth on a 5 years old CPU an extra 10% are going to save you?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't cheap out on the mobo to block any attempts at overclocking, but in the case of Intel paying 50€ extra for a K CPU, 50€ extra for a Z mobo and another 50€ for a cooler now just because maybe in 5 years they might actually be useful...
3596
#3596
0 Frags +

Lets skip out on the overclocking then, since I expected it to give a bit more of a performance boost personally (and may have wrongly informed him D:)

Not much more specific than run modern games on 60+ fps preferably. Ideally the building starts within three months or so (depending on availability of hardware atm).

Lets skip out on the overclocking then, since I expected it to give a bit more of a performance boost personally (and may have wrongly informed him D:)

Not much more specific than run modern games on 60+ fps preferably. Ideally the building starts within three months or so (depending on availability of hardware atm).
3597
#3597
2 Frags +

Then he should definitely wait until the end of May or whenever the Intel 10th gen launch happens. Even if he doesn't end up buying any of the new CPUs it can't hurt to wait for lower prices for the old ones.

Then he should definitely wait until the end of May or whenever the Intel 10th gen launch happens. Even if he doesn't end up buying any of the new CPUs it can't hurt to wait for lower prices for the old ones.
3598
#3598
1 Frags +

Hello friends :)

Budget: ~700 for pc+monitor, but any savings appreciated
Country: US
Overclocking: no? unless the gain is worth it from a $ standpoint
Games: mostly want to focus on it running+streaming tf2 well, while being able to run whatever other random games I feel like playing on occasion with decent settings

I have a family member that works at intel and I can order CPUs thru her at a heavily discounted price
The most notable options are: i3-9100F($48), i5-9500F($88), & i5-9600KF($118).
The 9500F seems like the best bang for my buck

I threw together a hypothetical pcpartpicker and I would really appreciate feedback on it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPDB7T
should also note I'm debating buying a used graphics card to save some cash.

Thank you so much!!!

Hello friends :)

Budget: ~700 for pc+monitor, but any savings appreciated
Country: US
Overclocking: no? unless the gain is worth it from a $ standpoint
Games: mostly want to focus on it running+streaming tf2 well, while being able to run whatever other random games I feel like playing on occasion with decent settings

I have a family member that works at intel and I can order CPUs thru her at a heavily discounted price
The most notable options are: i3-9100F($48), i5-9500F($88), & i5-9600KF($118).
The 9500F seems like the best bang for my buck

I threw together a hypothetical pcpartpicker and I would really appreciate feedback on it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPDB7T
should also note I'm debating buying a used graphics card to save some cash.

Thank you so much!!!
3599
#3599
3 Frags +

A used GPU might be an option.
9600KF would be nice, but only if you can get a cheap cooler as well.

Don't get an H310 board, they're usually shit and 2 RAM slots is going to come back to haunt you when you realize that 8GB isn't quite enough for everything.
There's no reason to go for a SATA SSD when you can get NVMe.
You're really not in a position where you can drop 80$ (16% of your budget) on a fully modular 600W PSU for a 300W build just because you feel like it. At most semi-modular.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8P7CmG/evga-bq-500w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0500-k1 or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-9500F 3 GHz 6-Core Processor ($88.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B365M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper Elite 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 570 4 GB RS XXX Video Card ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: BenQ ZOWIE XL2411P 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($199.00 @ B&H)
Total: $668.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-14 13:42 EDT-0400

A used GPU might be an option.
9600KF would be nice, but only if you can get a cheap cooler as well.

Don't get an H310 board, they're usually shit and 2 RAM slots is going to come back to haunt you when you realize that 8GB isn't quite enough for everything.
There's no reason to go for a SATA SSD when you can get NVMe.
You're really not in a position where you can drop 80$ (16% of your budget) on a fully modular 600W PSU for a 300W build just because you feel like it. At most semi-modular.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8P7CmG/evga-bq-500w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0500-k1 or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZhWnMc]PCPartPicker Part List[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vfrYcf/intel-core-i5-9500f-3-ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i59500f]Intel Core i5-9500F 3 GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($88.00)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gKpmP6/gigabyte-b365m-ds3h-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365m-ds3h]Gigabyte B365M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($74.98 @ Amazon)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sP8j4D/patriot-viper-elite-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-2666-memory-pve48g266c6kgy]Patriot Viper Elite 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] ($37.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9wyV3C/hp-ex900-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy43aaabc]HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive[/url] ($44.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tF648d/xfx-radeon-rx-570-4gb-rs-xxx-video-card-rx-570p427d6]XFX Radeon RX 570 4 GB RS XXX Video Card[/url] ($121.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zhjJ7P/cougar-mx330-g-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g]Cougar MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($46.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3G97YJ/seasonic-s12iii-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-550gb3]SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($54.99 @ B&H)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FBYLrH/benq-zowie-xl2411p-240-1920x1080-144hz-monitor-xl2411p]BenQ ZOWIE XL2411P 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor[/url] ($199.00 @ B&H)
[b]Total:[/b] $668.91
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by [url=https://pcpartpicker.com]PCPartPicker[/url] 2020-04-14 13:42 EDT-0400[/i]
3600
#3600
1 Frags +

Hi, I am very clueless about PC's but I want to buy a new pc

Budget: £900 around 1000 euro
Country: England, UK

No overclocking
Games: TF2 mostly but also run fairly demanding games like monster hunter on mid-high settings

I would want to purchase from PC partpicker but any alternative can do
I also want to prioritise a small case, a smaller case than mid tower cases for transport purposes.
Just want the best performance pc for less than a grand.
I'm very sorry that I'm not very informed about PC's at all, thanks for the help.

Hi, I am very clueless about PC's but I want to buy a new pc

Budget: £900 around 1000 euro
Country: England, UK

No overclocking
Games: TF2 mostly but also run fairly demanding games like monster hunter on mid-high settings

I would want to purchase from PC partpicker but any alternative can do
I also want to prioritise a small case, a smaller case than mid tower cases for transport purposes.
Just want the best performance pc for less than a grand.
I'm very sorry that I'm not very informed about PC's at all, thanks for the help.
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