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3691
#3691
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YouxShallxKnowxPainI wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing

$200 is such a small budget that it is unlikely you'll be able to get anything beyond the basics. With a budget this low, you may be better off googling something like "gaming pc extreme budget build", as there really aren't many options for parts in your price range.

[quote=YouxShallxKnowxPain]I wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing[/quote]
$200 is such a small budget that it is unlikely you'll be able to get anything beyond the basics. With a budget this low, you may be better off googling something like "gaming pc extreme budget build", as there really aren't many options for parts in your price range.
3692
#3692
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#3690
Without used parts that's not really going to be a good build. You'd have to cut all of the corners to even get all the parts you need for something that can boot.

#3690
Without used parts that's not really going to be a good build. You'd have to cut all of the corners to even get all the parts you need for something that can boot.
3693
#3693
0 Frags +

With Asus announcing a 360Hz monitor, can anyone recommend some specs that would ensure my minimum frame rate is above that? I have past experience with building several PC's, but it seems TF2 is a very odd beast in what specs achieve high frame rates. For about $1500, should I be going for something like a 3080 and 10600k? I'm aware of how CPU-bound this game is, so could I spend less on a GPU?

With Asus announcing a 360Hz monitor, can anyone recommend some specs that would ensure my minimum frame rate is above that? I have past experience with building several PC's, but it seems TF2 is a very odd beast in what specs achieve high frame rates. For about $1500, should I be going for something like a 3080 and 10600k? I'm aware of how CPU-bound this game is, so could I spend less on a GPU?
3694
#3694
1 Frags +

100$ GPU would be plenty.
10600K(F), overclock it as high as you can, then cry because minimum fps are still going to be nowhere near 360 fps.
Not like it should matter with G-Sync anyway, unless you plan on paying for that and then not using it.

I assume you're talking about the PG259QN?
So you'd be spending half again as much as you planned for your build on the monitor?
And for what? It's an IPS so it's going to be the exact same thing as with the VG259QM/VG279QM.
Usable at lower than the advertised refresh rates, but if you actually max it out it starts smearing.
Those are officially 280 Hz.
240 Hz is fine:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png

Now 280 Hz not so much:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png

FYI what that means is the panel takes longer to change the colour than the frame is actually displayed. So it'll only reach that colour after the next refresh. If the colour stays the same. If the next frame has changed the colour again then it'll probably keep lagging behind.

Don't get me wrong, they're very good monitors at 240 Hz or 280 Hz with G-Sync/FreeSync enable since you wouldn't reach 280 fps most of the time and motion blur reduction with Sync enabled is nice, apart from some overdrive issues at very low refresh rates there's nothing wrong with them.
But I really doubt that the issues they have at 280 Hz are going to magically have been fixed at 360 Hz half a year later.
It'll be double the price for at best another 60 usable Hz, bringing it up to maybe 300 Hz usable, which you won't ever reach as a minimum refresh rate in TF2.

Ask someone with a 10600K or similar or 9600K/8600K or at least something in that ballpark to record their frametimes and check how much time is actually spent above 240/300/360 fps. And then ask yourself how much of that is staring at a wall. Unless you're only playing MGE any fight where you actually want/need the high refresh rate you're not going to get 360+ fps. So what would be the point?

100$ GPU would be plenty.
10600K(F), overclock it as high as you can, then cry because minimum fps are still going to be nowhere near 360 fps.
Not like it should matter with G-Sync anyway, unless you plan on paying for that and then not using it.

I assume you're talking about the PG259QN?
So you'd be spending half again as much as you planned for your build on the monitor?
And for what? It's an IPS so it's going to be the exact same thing as with the VG259QM/VG279QM.
Usable at lower than the advertised refresh rates, but if you actually max it out it starts smearing.
Those are officially 280 Hz.
240 Hz is fine:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png
[img]https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png[/img]

Now 280 Hz not so much:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png
[img]https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png[/img]

FYI what that means is the panel takes longer to change the colour than the frame is actually displayed. So it'll only reach that colour after the next refresh. If the colour stays the same. If the next frame has changed the colour again then it'll probably keep lagging behind.

Don't get me wrong, they're very good monitors at 240 Hz or 280 Hz with G-Sync/FreeSync enable since you wouldn't reach 280 fps most of the time and motion blur reduction with Sync enabled is nice, apart from some overdrive issues at very low refresh rates there's nothing wrong with them.
But I really doubt that the issues they have at 280 Hz are going to magically have been fixed at 360 Hz half a year later.
It'll be double the price for at best another 60 usable Hz, bringing it up to maybe 300 Hz usable, which you won't ever reach as a minimum refresh rate in TF2.

Ask someone with a 10600K or similar or 9600K/8600K or at least something in that ballpark to record their frametimes and check how much time is actually spent above 240/300/360 fps. And then ask yourself how much of that is staring at a wall. Unless you're only playing MGE any fight where you actually want/need the high refresh rate you're not going to get 360+ fps. So what would be the point?
3695
#3695
0 Frags +

heyo
i made a build on pcpartpicker a long time ago and i was wondering if i could get some advice about what is good and what needs to be improved

here's the list:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: $973.88

heyo
i made a build on pcpartpicker a long time ago and i was wondering if i could get some advice about what is good and what needs to be improved

here's the list:
[b]CPU:[/b] AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
[b]Motherboard:[/b] MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
[b]Memory:[/b] G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
[b]Storage:[/b] Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
[b]Storage:[/b] Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
[b]Video Card:[/b] MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
[b]Case:[/b] Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
[b]Power Supply:[/b] Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
[b]Total:[/b] $973.88
3696
#3696
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What is that cooler supposed to do?

3600, 3600X are more recent by one year (and faster) and the 3600XT was just released this year.
You can probably afford better RAM and an NVMe SSD.
PSU is so-so, not that great and you don't need 650W so you can probably get something cheaper.

Other than that depends on what the goal is.

What is that cooler supposed to do?

3600, 3600X are more recent by one year (and faster) and the 3600XT was just released this year.
You can probably afford better RAM and an NVMe SSD.
PSU is so-so, not that great and you don't need 650W so you can probably get something cheaper.

Other than that depends on what the goal is.
3697
#3697
0 Frags +

#3696 i want a pc that can run tf2 with a competitive level of fps (250+) and is able to run AAA games at high/ultra graphics at preferably 1080-1440p while remaining relatively affordable. that is my goal.

regarding the ssd, i would get an NVMe but it causes this to happen:

https://i.imgur.com/dftBlfN.png

and i have no clear understanding of what this would mean if i were to purchase a gaming modem/router in the future and am somewhat concerned about it. really, it's more ignorance than anything.

what do you mean by "what is the cooler supposed to do?" don't all pcs have to have a cpu cooler of sorts to not have the cpu burn to ashes and take the PC with it?

#3696 i want a pc that can run tf2 with a competitive level of fps (250+) and is able to run AAA games at high/ultra graphics at preferably 1080-1440p while remaining relatively affordable. that is my goal.

regarding the ssd, i would get an NVMe but it causes this to happen:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dftBlfN.png[/img]
and i have no clear understanding of what this would mean if i were to purchase a gaming modem/router in the future and am somewhat concerned about it. really, it's more ignorance than anything.

what do you mean by "what is the cooler supposed to do?" don't all pcs have to have a cpu cooler of sorts to not have the cpu burn to ashes and take the PC with it?
3698
#3698
3 Frags +

For AAA games at high settings, especially at 1400p, a better GPU would be worth it.

If you don't need all 6 SATA ports that shouldn't be a problem, right?

Why would you ever purchase a "gaming modem/router"? And what does that have to do with how many connections you for HDDs/SSDs?

That CPU comes with a cooler. What exactly do you need that 240mm all in one water cooler for? It's neither particularly good nor cheap nor quiet nor is it actually needed. Seems like a waste of money.

For AAA games at high settings, especially at 1400p, a better GPU would be worth it.

If you don't need all 6 SATA ports that shouldn't be a problem, right?

Why would you ever purchase a "gaming modem/router"? And what does that have to do with how many connections you for HDDs/SSDs?

That CPU comes with a cooler. What exactly do you need that 240mm all in one water cooler for? It's neither particularly good nor cheap nor quiet nor is it actually needed. Seems like a waste of money.
3699
#3699
0 Frags +
roblnheyo
i made a build on pcpartpicker a long time ago and i was wondering if i could get some advice about what is good and what needs to be improved

here's the list:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: $973.88

I'd go for the 3000 series of ryzen for better IPC on source games, make sure the mobo is ryzen 3000 ready.

[quote=robln]heyo
i made a build on pcpartpicker a long time ago and i was wondering if i could get some advice about what is good and what needs to be improved

here's the list:
[b]CPU:[/b] AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
[b]Motherboard:[/b] MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
[b]Memory:[/b] G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
[b]Storage:[/b] Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
[b]Storage:[/b] Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
[b]Video Card:[/b] MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
[b]Case:[/b] Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
[b]Power Supply:[/b] Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
[b]Total:[/b] $973.88[/quote]

I'd go for the 3000 series of ryzen for better IPC on source games, make sure the mobo is ryzen 3000 ready.
3700
#3700
0 Frags +

ok so with the advice given so far, i made some changes to the original list.
here's version 2:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: $1302.91

ok so with the advice given so far, i made some changes to the original list.
here's version 2:
[b]CPU:[/b] AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
[b]Motherboard:[/b] MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
[b]Memory:[/b] G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
[b]Storage:[/b] Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
[b]Storage:[/b] Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
[b]Video Card:[/b]NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card
[b]Case:[/b] Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
[b]Power Supply:[/b] Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
[b]Total:[/b] $1302.91
3701
#3701
3 Frags +

That's a 400W build, I'm really not seeing the need for a 750W PSU.
970 Evo might be a bit overkill. SATA isn't great but that doesn't mean you have to jump straight to high-end NVMe. There's other options in between if you want to save some money.
With "better RAM" I meant better RAM, better timings and higher frequency, not more RAM. Do you really need 32 GB?

That's a 400W build, I'm really not seeing the need for a 750W PSU.
970 Evo might be a bit overkill. SATA isn't great but that doesn't mean you have to jump straight to high-end NVMe. There's other options in between if you want to save some money.
With "better RAM" I meant better RAM, better timings and higher frequency, not more RAM. Do you really need 32 GB?
3702
#3702
14 Frags +

listen setsul i'm a goddamn idiot and unless you explain to me what you want me to do like i'm five years old you're not gonna get much outta me

listen setsul i'm a goddamn idiot and unless you explain to me what you want me to do like i'm five years old you're not gonna get much outta me
3703
#3703
2 Frags +

That pc needs 400W. You don't need a 750W PSU for that. 500W or 550W is more than enough. Not that that PSU isn't good but downsizing to 500/550W would keep the price reasonable while still getting something better than a CM MWE Gold. I do admit that it's not easy to figure out which PSUs are actually good (price tells you nothing, there's a lot of overpriced garbage and neither is 80+ whatever an indicator of quality) so not suggesting any alternatives was a bit of a dick move, but the build looked very outdated and work-in-progress so I correctly assumed the 2600 and 1660 SUPER were going to change so a specific recommendation didn't make sense yet. After all a 65W TDP CPU and 125W TBP GPU don't call for the same PSU wattage as the 95W TDP CPU and 175W TBP GPU you've selected now.

A 860 Evo 500 GB isn't great because spending 70$ on a SATA SSD doesn't make sense when your mobo got an M.2 NVMe slot so you can get a much faster NVMe SSD for 60$, let alone 70$. That doesn't mean you have to buy a 1TB high-end NVMe SSD for 70$. The point was that you can get something much better for less or the same money, not that you should spend two and a half times as much on the SSD. You've got a 2TB HDD for mass storage so a 60$ entry-level NVMe SSD like a Crucial P1 or WB Blue SN550 for 60$ should be fine. Going up to 70$ you've got so many options that I won't even bother listing them all.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=480000000000,18000000000000&sort=price&t=0&D=1
A good place to start if you want more details:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9799/best-ssds

And RAM is fairly simple as well. 2x8GB seems fine to me, but you could probably afford 3600 MHz CL16 instead of 3200 MHz. Or at least 3466 MHz. That's it, really.

That pc needs 400W. You don't need a 750W PSU for that. 500W or 550W is more than enough. Not that that PSU isn't good but downsizing to 500/550W would keep the price reasonable while still getting something better than a CM MWE Gold. I do admit that it's not easy to figure out which PSUs are actually good (price tells you nothing, there's a lot of overpriced garbage and neither is 80+ whatever an indicator of quality) so not suggesting any alternatives was a bit of a dick move, but the build looked very outdated and work-in-progress so I correctly assumed the 2600 and 1660 SUPER were going to change so a specific recommendation didn't make sense yet. After all a 65W TDP CPU and 125W TBP GPU don't call for the same PSU wattage as the 95W TDP CPU and 175W TBP GPU you've selected now.

A 860 Evo 500 GB isn't great because spending 70$ on a SATA SSD doesn't make sense when your mobo got an M.2 NVMe slot so you can get a much faster NVMe SSD for 60$, let alone 70$. That doesn't mean you have to buy a 1TB high-end NVMe SSD for 70$. The point was that you can get something much better for less or the same money, not that you should spend two and a half times as much on the SSD. You've got a 2TB HDD for mass storage so a 60$ entry-level NVMe SSD like a Crucial P1 or WB Blue SN550 for 60$ should be fine. Going up to 70$ you've got so many options that I won't even bother listing them all.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=480000000000,18000000000000&sort=price&t=0&D=1
A good place to start if you want more details:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9799/best-ssds

And RAM is fairly simple as well. 2x8GB seems fine to me, but you could probably afford 3600 MHz CL16 instead of 3200 MHz. Or at least 3466 MHz. That's it, really.
3704
#3704
0 Frags +

with the advice i was given, here's what i came up with. version 3:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory
Storage: ADATA Swordfish 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: $1072.85

with the advice i was given, here's what i came up with. version 3:
[b]CPU:[/b] AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
[b]Motherboard:[/b] MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
[b]Memory:[/b] G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory
[b]Storage:[/b] ADATA Swordfish 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
[b]Storage:[/b] Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
[b]Video Card:[/b] NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card
[b]Case:[/b] Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
[b]Power Supply:[/b] Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
[b]Total:[/b] $1072.85
3705
#3705
0 Frags +

Looks ok.
Check the supported memory list (QVL) just in case.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX
compatibility, "Memory by RX-3X00" obviously (not 3X00G either). Use the exact part number, long ass alphanumeric code.

Looks ok.
Check the supported memory list (QVL) just in case.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX
compatibility, "Memory by RX-3X00" obviously (not 3X00G either). Use the exact part number, long ass alphanumeric code.
3706
#3706
0 Frags +
SetsulLooks ok.
Check the supported memory list (QVL) just in case.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX
compatibility, "Memory by RX-3X00" obviously (not 3X00G either). Use the exact part number, long ass alphanumeric code.

Would like to add to this.
If your RAM isn't on the QVL list, check with the RAM manufacturer. When I built my PC I stressed too much about my RAM not being on the list and after too much headache, ended up going with a kit that was verified on the RAM manufacturer's website and not on the MOBO QVL. Works perfectly fine, XMP and all that works aswell.

[quote=Setsul]Looks ok.
Check the supported memory list (QVL) just in case.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX
compatibility, "Memory by RX-3X00" obviously (not 3X00G either). Use the exact part number, long ass alphanumeric code.[/quote]
Would like to add to this.
If your RAM isn't on the QVL list, check with the RAM manufacturer. When I built my PC I stressed too much about my RAM not being on the list and after too much headache, ended up going with a kit that was verified on the RAM manufacturer's website and not on the MOBO QVL. Works perfectly fine, XMP and all that works aswell.
3707
#3707
0 Frags +

I'm wondering if I should get a 240hz monitor with this setup or wait for the next gen of Ryzen and upgrade my CPU then. Is getting 240fps even attainable consistently in TF2 without like, clear textures or something?

UserBenchmarks: Game 103%, Desk 92%, Work 98%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 87.3%
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2070S (Super) - 115.5%
SSD: Adata XPG SX8200 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB - 215.3% (boot drive)
SSD: Kingston A400 120GB - 79.6%
SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 C15 4x8GB - 83.9%
MBD: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX (MS-7C02)
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 650W

CPU is OCd to 4.3ghz and GPU is OCd to +75 on both clocks.

I'm wondering if I should get a 240hz monitor with this setup or wait for the next gen of Ryzen and upgrade my CPU then. Is getting 240fps even attainable consistently in TF2 without like, clear textures or something?

UserBenchmarks: Game 103%, Desk 92%, Work 98%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 87.3%
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2070S (Super) - 115.5%
SSD: Adata XPG SX8200 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB - 215.3% (boot drive)
SSD: Kingston A400 120GB - 79.6%
SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 C15 4x8GB - 83.9%
MBD: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX (MS-7C02)
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 650W

CPU is OCd to 4.3ghz and GPU is OCd to +75 on both clocks.
3708
#3708
0 Frags +

Is that a hypothetical build or are you asking me if you're getting 240fps in TF2 instead of testing it yourself?

Is that a hypothetical build or are you asking me if you're getting 240fps in TF2 instead of testing it yourself?
3709
#3709
1 Frags +

I mean, I've tested it but I'm not hitting it consistently esp. in pubs. I was asking if it was possible without making changes to graphics, ive hit as low as 110 in pubs before

I mean, I've tested it but I'm not hitting it consistently esp. in pubs. I was asking if it was possible without making changes to graphics, ive hit as low as 110 in pubs before
3710
#3710
3 Frags +
flatlineIs getting 240fps even attainable consistently in TF2 without like, clear textures or something?

With mastercoms medium low in 6v6 yes. In pubs, HL, or even a sufficiently poorly optimized map? No. Your best bet is Zen 3 if you care about pub fps. Ram speed gives significant gains on Ryzen in TF2. Grab some 3600 CL 16 when you upgrade.

Also why are you posting Usershillmark scores?

[quote=flatline]Is getting 240fps even attainable consistently in TF2 without like, clear textures or something?[/quote]
With mastercoms medium low in 6v6 yes. In pubs, HL, or even a sufficiently poorly optimized map? No. Your best bet is Zen 3 if you care about pub fps. Ram speed gives significant gains on Ryzen in TF2. Grab some 3600 CL 16 when you upgrade.

Also why are you posting Usershillmark scores?
3711
#3711
-1 Frags +
ScrewBflatlineIs getting 240fps even attainable consistently in TF2 without like, clear textures or something?With mastercoms medium low in 6v6 yes. In pubs, HL, or even a sufficiently poorly optimized map? No. Your best bet is Zen 3 if you care about pub fps. Ram speed gives significant gains on Ryzen in TF2. Grab some 3600 CL 16 when you upgrade.

Also why are you posting Usershillmark scores?

uh, is there a problem with userbenchmark? was the easiest way for me to get a parts list.

I just got this ram unfortunately. Thought it was pretty good with ryzen. what works best with it?

[quote=ScrewB][quote=flatline]Is getting 240fps even attainable consistently in TF2 without like, clear textures or something?[/quote]
With mastercoms medium low in 6v6 yes. In pubs, HL, or even a sufficiently poorly optimized map? No. Your best bet is Zen 3 if you care about pub fps. Ram speed gives significant gains on Ryzen in TF2. Grab some 3600 CL 16 when you upgrade.

Also why are you posting Usershillmark scores?[/quote]
uh, is there a problem with userbenchmark? was the easiest way for me to get a parts list.

I just got this ram unfortunately. Thought it was pretty good with ryzen. what works best with it?
3712
#3712
4 Frags +
flatlineuh, is there a problem with userbenchmark? was the easiest way for me to get a parts list.

https://i.imgur.com/ptiAL1h.png

Here you see a Core i3 "beating" a 32 core thread ripper in a completely fair comparison. Ie - all is skewed towards Intel for some reason. It's not a realistic indicator for performance. You even see the site owners writing completely idiotic statements about AMD processors. So just dont go to their site or use their software.

https://i.imgur.com/uXlCPZ1.png

Right when Zen 2 came out, they decided to change all the tests to be more weighted towards Intel. That along with their clearly biased statements, scalding press releases towards any reviewer media that dares to go against them, makes it clear they arent fans of objective truth, ie fail as a benchmark and are just SEO garbage that should be avoided.

flatlineI just got this ram unfortunately. Thought it was pretty good with ryzen. what works best with it?

The optimal RAM you want is running at 3600MHz with as low as CAS timings as you can get, as most processors can hit that effectively without shenanigans. The absolute best RAM you can get for Ryzen is Samsung B-Die memory, but that is very expensive.

It doesn't make that much of a difference to performance to justify the cost of buying new RAM imo. You may get a couple extra frames per second. If you increase the infinity fabric speed manually I think you will achieve most of the performance you would have gotten anyway. You will need a config to hit 240fps consistently because tf2 sucks.

[quote=flatline]
uh, is there a problem with userbenchmark? was the easiest way for me to get a parts list.[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ptiAL1h.png[/img]

Here you see a Core i3 "beating" a 32 core thread ripper in a completely fair comparison. Ie - all is skewed towards Intel for some reason. It's not a realistic indicator for performance. You even see the site owners writing [url=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX-d-LqU0AEgsT-?format=jpg&name=large]completely idiotic statements about AMD processors[/url]. So just dont go to their site or use their software.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/uXlCPZ1.png[/img]
Right when Zen 2 came out, they decided to change all the tests to be more weighted towards Intel. That along with their clearly biased statements, [url=https://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2019/11/21073313152l.jpg]scalding press releases towards any reviewer media that dares to go against them[/url], makes it clear they arent fans of objective truth, ie fail as a benchmark and are just SEO garbage that should be avoided.

[quote=flatline]
I just got this ram unfortunately. Thought it was pretty good with ryzen. what works best with it?[/quote]

The optimal RAM you want is running at 3600MHz with as low as CAS timings as you can get, as most processors can hit that effectively without shenanigans. The absolute best RAM you can get for Ryzen is Samsung B-Die memory, but that is very expensive.

It doesn't make that much of a difference to performance to justify the cost of buying new RAM imo. You may get a couple extra frames per second. If you increase the infinity fabric speed manually I think you will achieve most of the performance you would have gotten anyway. You will need a config to hit 240fps consistently because tf2 sucks.
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#3713
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ah i see. is the infinity fabric speed something i can do in ryzen master?

ah i see. is the infinity fabric speed something i can do in ryzen master?
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#3714
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flatlineah i see. is the infinity fabric speed something i can do in ryzen master?

also this ram is pretty new so I could probably sell it on ebay and buy new ram with the money so it wouldn't be that big of an investment.

[quote=flatline]ah i see. is the infinity fabric speed something i can do in ryzen master?[/quote]

also this ram is pretty new so I could probably sell it on ebay and buy new ram with the money so it wouldn't be that big of an investment.
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#3715
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Hi!

I posted here some time ago about getting a new pc and was recommended to wait for the new nvidia gpus (thanks btw). I'm thinking of getting the new rtx 3080, is buying it at launch a good idea or should I wait for third party reviews or the upcoming cpus and gpus from AMD before making a purchase? And which version should I go for, is there a big difference between MSI or EVGA for example?

Also, are the rest of my parts still good to go with a 3080?
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/user/Enzonaut/saved/#view=GWbTnQ

Hi!

I posted here some time ago about getting a new pc and was recommended to wait for the new nvidia gpus (thanks btw). I'm thinking of getting the new rtx 3080, is buying it at launch a good idea or should I wait for third party reviews or the upcoming cpus and gpus from AMD before making a purchase? And which version should I go for, is there a big difference between MSI or EVGA for example?

Also, are the rest of my parts still good to go with a 3080?
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/user/Enzonaut/saved/#view=GWbTnQ
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#3716
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If you want one with an aftermarket cooler (you should, reference design is never all that great) you should definitely wait for reviews.
The difference isn't by brand, it's about the cooler and stock clockrate. There can be multiple versions with the same cooler and different clockrates. Cooler is about noise levels, overclockability and if the power consumption is fairly high (and the 3080 with its 320W definitely qualifies) then even stock performance because the boost clocks are temperature dependent. Stock clocks obviously influence performance even more directly and overclockability as well. I mean if the chip ran well at a higher frequency they would've sold it at that frequency intead of "wasting" it on a low clocked model.

760T seems needlessly expensive.
My old advice about 3900X vs 3900XT, mobo and cooler still applies.

SetsulOr you could go with something more expensive [for the mobo] if you're trying for a very high OC but then I'd recommend the 3900XT and a larger cooler.
If you want one with an aftermarket cooler (you should, reference design is never all that great) you should definitely wait for reviews.
The difference isn't by brand, it's about the cooler and stock clockrate. There can be multiple versions with the same cooler and different clockrates. Cooler is about noise levels, overclockability and if the power consumption is fairly high (and the 3080 with its 320W definitely qualifies) then even stock performance because the boost clocks are temperature dependent. Stock clocks obviously influence performance even more directly and overclockability as well. I mean if the chip ran well at a higher frequency they would've sold it at that frequency intead of "wasting" it on a low clocked model.

760T seems needlessly expensive.
My old advice about 3900X vs 3900XT, mobo and cooler still applies.
[quote=Setsul]Or you could go with something more expensive [for the mobo] if you're trying for a very high OC but then I'd recommend the 3900XT and a larger cooler.[/quote]
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Been ballparking a new as-i-go build. Largely gaming/streaming with modeling and simulation on the side, spent way too long looking at zen2, but higher speeds will probably be more effective for longer in the case of the former. I only intend on going forward with this if theres a decent pcie 4.0 compatible mini itx. Open to all suggestions, not too sure how Intel is shaping up these days. Spent most of my time looking @ 3700 or higher + B550 aorus pro ax. I have a 6gb 1060/psu/storage that can tide me by should time claim more of my components. Total budget when I near the end will be closer to 1500, but mostly just weeds (and waiting) outside of getting the core together.

For the core of it I'm looking at (USD) 300-350 CPU, 250 for decent OC-able mini ITX and suggestions for a white/black slick looking 2x16gb ddr4 kit (eyeballing Neo Trident Z). Current case I'm looking at is an h210i.

If i said a dumb thing please lmk, Haven't really looked or cared about components since 2014/15.
Dumb thing #1: bulk of my games are source engine and minecraft. Looking to upgrade cause im still on a i5-3550 that needs to be relieved from a lifetime of overclocking.

Been ballparking a new as-i-go build. Largely gaming/streaming with modeling and simulation on the side, spent way too long looking at zen2, but higher speeds will probably be more effective for longer in the case of the former. I only intend on going forward with this if theres a decent pcie 4.0 compatible mini itx. Open to all suggestions, not too sure how Intel is shaping up these days. Spent most of my time looking @ 3700 or higher + B550 aorus pro ax. I have a 6gb 1060/psu/storage that can tide me by should time claim more of my components. Total budget when I near the end will be closer to 1500, but mostly just weeds (and waiting) outside of getting the core together.

For the core of it I'm looking at (USD) 300-350 CPU, 250 for decent OC-able mini ITX and suggestions for a white/black slick looking 2x16gb ddr4 kit (eyeballing Neo Trident Z). Current case I'm looking at is an h210i.

If i said a dumb thing please lmk, Haven't really looked or cared about components since 2014/15.
Dumb thing #1: bulk of my games are source engine and minecraft. Looking to upgrade cause im still on a i5-3550 that needs to be relieved from a lifetime of overclocking.
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#3718
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mariesaghostLargely gaming/streaming with modeling and simulation on the side, spent way too long looking at zen2, but higher speeds will probably be more effective for longer in the case of the former.

Not entirely sure what you mean. Clarify?

Aren't all X570/B550 PCIe 4.0 by default? Haven't seen any without at least one PCIe 4.0 x16 slot so as long as there's a single decent X570/B550 mini-ITX board you're set?

Comet Lake is a thing, prices are actually competitive as long as you don't overclock, then the street prices for K CPUs and the extra cost of Z mobos fucks everything up. Slightly faster though, unless you go beyond 8 cores. No PCIe 4.0.

Neo Trident Z seems fine. H210i isn't that small for mini-ITX, but I guess the choices are more limited if you want to use an ATX PSU.

Zen3 is officially still "end of 2020" though we don't know how much of the lineup, but there's apparently an announcement on the 8th of October so it might be worth waiting until then.

[quote=mariesaghost]Largely gaming/streaming with modeling and simulation on the side, spent way too long looking at zen2, but higher speeds will probably be more effective for longer in the case of the former.[/quote]
Not entirely sure what you mean. Clarify?

Aren't all X570/B550 PCIe 4.0 by default? Haven't seen any without at least one PCIe 4.0 x16 slot so as long as there's a single decent X570/B550 mini-ITX board you're set?

Comet Lake is a thing, prices are actually competitive as long as you don't overclock, then the street prices for K CPUs and the extra cost of Z mobos fucks everything up. Slightly faster though, unless you go beyond 8 cores. No PCIe 4.0.

Neo Trident Z seems fine. H210i isn't that small for mini-ITX, but I guess the choices are more limited if you want to use an ATX PSU.

Zen3 is officially still "end of 2020" though we don't know how much of the lineup, but there's apparently an announcement on the 8th of October so it might be worth waiting until then.
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My bad, was typing this up at work and missed that while going over it. Higher clock > more cores in the long run when trying to get by years down the road. GF's rig currently has a i7 4970k that I never bothered to setup an OC and was surprised when she had a fair bit lower fps.

Any suggestions for running with Intel regardless of the current price hikes? Gonna wait for zen3 and hope intel doesnt change the socket set again and open the way up for pcie 4.0 on the next gen.

My bad, was typing this up at work and missed that while going over it. Higher clock > more cores in the long run when trying to get by years down the road. GF's rig currently has a i7 4970k that I never bothered to setup an OC and was surprised when she had a fair bit lower fps.

Any suggestions for running with Intel regardless of the current price hikes? Gonna wait for zen3 and hope intel doesnt change the socket set again and open the way up for pcie 4.0 on the next gen.
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Yeah, 3800XT is slightly outside of the range you specified, but might be worth a look. Or a 3600XT.

I mean if you go for the OC and spend the money you get higher per-thread performance. Not entirely convinced it'd be better than Zen3 though.
Socket should stay for 2 years, just like it always does. Rocket Lake only partial, rest stays on Comet Lake (refresh) and I don't see them opening that can of worms where PCIe 4.0 only works with half of the CPUs.

Yeah, 3800XT is slightly outside of the range you specified, but might be worth a look. Or a 3600XT.

I mean if you go for the OC and spend the money you get higher per-thread performance. Not entirely convinced it'd be better than Zen3 though.
Socket should stay for 2 years, just like it always does. Rocket Lake only partial, rest stays on Comet Lake (refresh) and I don't see them opening that can of worms where PCIe 4.0 only works with half of the CPUs.
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