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#91
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I think it's worth it pointing out that playing free Chinese games you give something up. If not now, for the future.
People are less and less aware of how important the security of their own system is, and what it means to be just one of thousands/millions flawed systems with very-well-possible backdoors controlled by a single company

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOCtaBObg4

P.S. please if you choose to accept these conditions, then don't ever talk about NSA shit and democratic governments spying threats

I think it's worth it pointing out that playing free Chinese games you give something up. If not now, for the future.
People are less and less aware of how important the security of their own system is, and what it means to be just one of thousands/millions flawed systems with very-well-possible backdoors controlled by a single company

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOCtaBObg4[/youtube]


P.S. please if you choose to accept these conditions, then don't [i]ever[/i] talk about NSA shit and democratic governments spying threats
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#92
1 Frags +

i really like this game, the gunplay is actually easier than cs and tf2 imo. abilities seem to be powerful enough to outplay someone without having insane aim, which is fair.

but if you play raze, you're an incel in my eyes

i really like this game, the gunplay is actually easier than cs and tf2 imo. abilities seem to be powerful enough to outplay someone without having insane aim, which is fair.

but if you play raze, you're an incel in my eyes
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#93
13 Frags +
cirloI think it's worth it pointing out that playing free Chinese games you give something up. If not now, for the future.
People are less and less aware of how important the security of their own system is, and what it means to be just one of thousands/millions flawed systems with very-well-possible backdoors controlled by a single company

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOCtaBObg4

P.S. please if you choose to accept these conditions, then don't ever talk about NSA shit and democratic governments spying threats

https://i.imgur.com/ddt8kyW.jpg

[quote=cirlo]I think it's worth it pointing out that playing free Chinese games you give something up. If not now, for the future.
People are less and less aware of how important the security of their own system is, and what it means to be just one of thousands/millions flawed systems with very-well-possible backdoors controlled by a single company

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOCtaBObg4[/youtube]


P.S. please if you choose to accept these conditions, then don't [i]ever[/i] talk about NSA shit and democratic governments spying threats[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ddt8kyW.jpg[/img]
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#94
4 Frags +

so the chinese rootkit is real? what a shame

so the chinese rootkit is real? what a shame
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#95
0 Frags +
iodinei really like this game, the gunplay is actually easier than cs and tf2 imo. abilities seem to be powerful enough to outplay someone without having insane aim, which is fair.

but if you play raze, you're an incel in my eyes

I don’t get the raze hate you only die if you don’t move or are already ccd which is the same for many other abilities

[quote=iodine]i really like this game, the gunplay is actually easier than cs and tf2 imo. abilities seem to be powerful enough to outplay someone without having insane aim, which is fair.

but if you play raze, you're an incel in my eyes[/quote]

I don’t get the raze hate you only die if you don’t move or are already ccd which is the same for many other abilities
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#96
10 Frags +

dedicating 6 cores to my windows 7 vm to lose to a child in valorant matchmaking

dedicating 6 cores to my windows 7 vm to lose to a child in valorant matchmaking
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#97
7 Frags +
sageso the chinese rootkit is real? what a shame

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/g2zu1c/why_valorants_vanguard_anticheat_has_to_be/

[quote=sage]so the chinese rootkit is real? what a shame[/quote]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/g2zu1c/why_valorants_vanguard_anticheat_has_to_be/
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#98
6 Frags +

bet you guys even use discord smh

bet you guys even use discord smh
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#99
-3 Frags +
cirloI think it's worth it pointing out that playing free Chinese games you give something up. If not now, for the future.
People are less and less aware of how important the security of their own system is, and what it means to be just one of thousands/millions flawed systems with very-well-possible backdoors controlled by a single company

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOCtaBObg4

P.S. please if you choose to accept these conditions, then don't ever talk about NSA shit and democratic governments spying threats

My pc is backdoored by too many parties for me to count. It just means I don't do anything aside from play games on it. Now I guess its very probably that it's watching other traffic on my network but i'm in too deep in the rabbit hole. Hell i use windows 10, not recommended.

Like if someone has a REAL problem with all of this, they better be running Tails and using a prepaid phone with AOSP software. Either that or how are people determining which information collecting companies are better/worse than the others.

[quote=cirlo]I think it's worth it pointing out that playing free Chinese games you give something up. If not now, for the future.
People are less and less aware of how important the security of their own system is, and what it means to be just one of thousands/millions flawed systems with very-well-possible backdoors controlled by a single company

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOCtaBObg4[/youtube]


P.S. please if you choose to accept these conditions, then don't [i]ever[/i] talk about NSA shit and democratic governments spying threats[/quote]

My pc is backdoored by too many parties for me to count. It just means I don't do anything aside from play games on it. Now I guess its very probably that it's watching other traffic on my network but i'm in too deep in the rabbit hole. Hell i use windows 10, not recommended.

Like if someone has a REAL problem with all of this, they better be running Tails and using a prepaid phone with AOSP software. Either that or how are people determining which information collecting companies are better/worse than the others.
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#100
7 Frags +

just because theres a hole in the dam doesnt mean youre blameless when you break it all the way open

just because theres a hole in the dam doesnt mean youre blameless when you break it all the way open
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#101
-12 Frags +

dancenumber coming in hot with the critical thinking. a smartphone in 2020 is rat aids compared to this and 99% of the developed world carries one on them 24/7. the sensible thing to do is, unless you are a criminal, don't fucking worry about it.

dancenumber coming in hot with the critical thinking. a smartphone in 2020 is rat aids compared to this and 99% of the developed world carries one on them 24/7. the sensible thing to do is, unless you are a criminal, don't fucking worry about it.
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#102
2 Frags +

WTF guys valorant is virus programmed by china??? im going to refund it right now let me just log in to my bank on my Huawei phone

WTF guys valorant is virus programmed by china??? im going to refund it right now let me just log in to my bank on my Huawei phone
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#103
0 Frags +

alexa is valorant a chinese virus

alexa is valorant a chinese virus
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#104
14 Frags +
hoolidancenumber coming in hot with the critical thinking. a smartphone in 2020 is rat aids compared to this and 99% of the developed world carries one on them 24/7. the sensible thing to do is, unless you are a criminal, don't fucking worry about it.

Disclosure: my pc is a living breathing botnet, windows 10, vac, eac, pirated software from unscrupulous sources. My pc is essentially a games console, and I assume it's monitored 24/7. With that out of the way.

People are right to be upset as their freedoms and right to privacy are taken away.

many reasons why privacy is important.

#1. Even if you have nothing to hide, that doesn't mean you want to share yourself with the world.
#2. If you have no concerns regarding your privacy you must be 100% within agreement of all policy's your government follows.
#3. You don't see an issue with companies taking your data, using it for profit and then restricting you from accessing that very same data.

honestly i could go on and on regarding this. but please hooli tell us all how you like to shit with your door open and walk naked down the streets.

Nothing to hide.

[quote=hooli]dancenumber coming in hot with the critical thinking. a smartphone in 2020 is rat aids compared to this and 99% of the developed world carries one on them 24/7. the sensible thing to do is, unless you are a criminal, don't fucking worry about it.[/quote]

Disclosure: my pc is a living breathing botnet, windows 10, vac, eac, pirated software from unscrupulous sources. My pc is essentially a games console, and I assume it's monitored 24/7. With that out of the way.

People are right to be upset as their freedoms and right to privacy are taken away.

many reasons why privacy is important.

#1. Even if you have nothing to hide, that doesn't mean you want to share yourself with the world.
#2. If you have no concerns regarding your privacy you must be 100% within agreement of all policy's your government follows.
#3. You don't see an issue with companies taking your data, using it for profit and then restricting you from accessing that very same data.

honestly i could go on and on regarding this. but please hooli tell us all how you like to shit with your door open and walk naked down the streets.

Nothing to hide.
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#105
0 Frags +

I just don't like how cheap the grenades are for Raze compared to how much damage they do, I genuinely think it's better to always buy grenades over guns in any situation whatsoever

Even when I hear the grenades coming and start to dodge it, I still take ~30 damage because their AOE is nuts, there's also skybox grenades on maps like split that will rain it down on the entire hallway, and you don't hear it coming so it's unavoidable outside of just... not pushing the site until you hear both grenades go off??

I think the game is fun, but it reminds me a lot of 1.6 compared to CSGO, I can't see myself ever playing it competitively outside of ranked, but it's fun casually so far

Also the dev response rubbed me the wrong way but it's w/e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkECaetr_jE

I think it's funny how what he says is being contradicted by the clips playing at the same time

I just don't like how cheap the grenades are for Raze compared to how much damage they do, I genuinely think it's better to always buy grenades over guns in any situation whatsoever

Even when I hear the grenades coming and start to dodge it, I still take ~30 damage because their AOE is nuts, there's also skybox grenades on maps like split that will rain it down on the entire hallway, and you don't hear it coming so it's unavoidable outside of just... not pushing the site until you hear both grenades go off??

I think the game is fun, but it reminds me a lot of 1.6 compared to CSGO, I can't see myself ever playing it competitively outside of ranked, but it's fun casually so far

Also the dev response rubbed me the wrong way but it's w/e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkECaetr_jE

I think it's funny how what he says is being contradicted by the clips playing at the same time
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#106
2 Frags +
FoxI just don't like how cheap the grenades are for Raze compared to how much damage they do, I genuinely think it's better to always buy grenades over guns in any situation whatsoever

Even when I hear the grenades coming and start to dodge it, I still take ~30 damage because their AOE is nuts, there's also skybox grenades on maps like split that will rain it down on the entire hallway, and you don't hear it coming so it's unavoidable outside of just... not pushing the site until you hear both grenades go off??

I think the game is fun, but it reminds me a lot of 1.6 compared to CSGO, I can't see myself ever playing it competitively outside of ranked, but it's fun casually so far

Also the dev response rubbed me the wrong way but it's w/e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkECaetr_jE

I think it's funny how what he says is being contradicted by the clips playing at the same time

The crazy thing about Raze, she's one of the oldest agent's in dev-time. Most of the game is designed around her existing. I agree though, her grenade is nuts.

I've heard that they are looking at dropping it to 1 nade, and then she gets another after 2 frags.

[quote=Fox]I just don't like how cheap the grenades are for Raze compared to how much damage they do, I genuinely think it's better to always buy grenades over guns in any situation whatsoever

Even when I hear the grenades coming and start to dodge it, I still take ~30 damage because their AOE is nuts, there's also skybox grenades on maps like split that will rain it down on the entire hallway, and you don't hear it coming so it's unavoidable outside of just... not pushing the site until you hear both grenades go off??

I think the game is fun, but it reminds me a lot of 1.6 compared to CSGO, I can't see myself ever playing it competitively outside of ranked, but it's fun casually so far

Also the dev response rubbed me the wrong way but it's w/e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkECaetr_jE

I think it's funny how what he says is being contradicted by the clips playing at the same time[/quote]

The crazy thing about Raze, she's one of the oldest agent's in dev-time. Most of the game is designed around her existing. I agree though, her grenade is nuts.

I've heard that they are looking at dropping it to 1 nade, and then she gets another after 2 frags.
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#107
1 Frags +

dancenumber i do think privacy is important but you have to admit it's ridiculous to get worked up over this and not the 99 other things that people are more than happy to allow

dancenumber i do think privacy is important but you have to admit it's ridiculous to get worked up over this and not the 99 other things that people are more than happy to allow
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#108
1 Frags +
hoolidancenumber i do think privacy is important but you have to admit it's ridiculous to get worked up over this and not the 99 other things that people are more than happy to allow

I get that for sure. I think people should get worked up about this, as much as they should other things. Or at the very least, have an understanding of what it is they are giving away, and what the relative security of their devices are.

[quote=hooli]dancenumber i do think privacy is important but you have to admit it's ridiculous to get worked up over this and not the 99 other things that people are more than happy to allow[/quote]
I get that for sure. I think people should get worked up about this, as much as they should other things. Or at the very least, have an understanding of what it is they are giving away, and what the relative security of their devices are.
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#109
1 Frags +

haha raze grenade go brbrbrbrbrbrbr boom

haha raze grenade go brbrbrbrbrbrbr boom
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#110
0 Frags +

can people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?

can people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?
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#111
-4 Frags +
ayatollahcan people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?

S tier
Raze, Jade, Brimstone
A tier
Sova, Cypher, Omen
B tier
The rest

[quote=ayatollah]can people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?[/quote]

S tier
Raze, Jade, Brimstone
A tier
Sova, Cypher, Omen
B tier
The rest
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#112
-4 Frags +

hamaham#1337 if anyone wanna play :3

hamaham#1337 if anyone wanna play :3
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#113
2 Frags +

raze s tier hahahaha shes not good

raze s tier hahahaha shes not good
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#114
-4 Frags +
ayatollahcan people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?

A: Sage -> Cypher -> Sova
-Sage can heal and is the best at stopping other teams with wall and slow orb. Basically necessary. Oh and she can fucking res people lol. (Is getting nerfed soon)
-Cypher probably has the best ult in the game, and provides more info than anyone else. Won't be as useful when they fix his broken camera spots. Info characters are essential for teamplay in this game, and he's currently the best at that.
-Sova can provide information more easily than cypher during pushes/retakes. Not quite as good as cypher currently, but still super good. His other abilities aren't amazing.

B: Brimstone -> Phoenix -> Breach
-Brimstone is the best compliment in the game for A tier characters, not too much to say.
-Phoenix has a flashbang and his ult gives him a free entry kill onto a site, can also heal himself.
-Breach has a flashbang that can go through walls but can't heal himself and his ult isn't as good as Phoenix. Still good tho, close to Phoenix.

C: Viper -> Jett -> Omen
-Viper is almost good, but her ability to block sight isn't as good as brimstone, and her ult isn't as good. Still decent.
-Jett is the toxic aim main character. Her mobility can get her into cool spots and out of bad situations. No utility. Could be useful for a team's awper, but not super good right now.
-Omen's flashbang doesn't work properly, his smokes aren't nearly as good as brimstone's. His tele shouldn't work on good players very well.

D: Raze
-Her boombot is basically worthless, her satchels are like Jett's jump but worse, and grenade is not effective on players with more than 5 hours in the game. Her ult is good, but it's not good enough to warrant picking her. She's getting nerfed too.

DanceNumberS tier
Raze

Nope, get good

[quote=ayatollah]can people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?[/quote]
A: Sage -> Cypher -> Sova
-Sage can heal and is the best at stopping other teams with wall and slow orb. Basically necessary. Oh and she can fucking res people lol. (Is getting nerfed soon)
-Cypher probably has the best ult in the game, and provides more info than anyone else. Won't be as useful when they fix his broken camera spots. Info characters are essential for teamplay in this game, and he's currently the best at that.
-Sova can provide information more easily than cypher during pushes/retakes. Not quite as good as cypher currently, but still super good. His other abilities aren't amazing.

B: Brimstone -> Phoenix -> Breach
-Brimstone is the best compliment in the game for A tier characters, not too much to say.
-Phoenix has a flashbang and his ult gives him a free entry kill onto a site, can also heal himself.
-Breach has a flashbang that can go through walls but can't heal himself and his ult isn't as good as Phoenix. Still good tho, close to Phoenix.

C: Viper -> Jett -> Omen
-Viper is almost good, but her ability to block sight isn't as good as brimstone, and her ult isn't as good. Still decent.
-Jett is the toxic aim main character. Her mobility can get her into cool spots and out of bad situations. No utility. Could be useful for a team's awper, but not super good right now.
-Omen's flashbang doesn't work properly, his smokes aren't nearly as good as brimstone's. His tele shouldn't work on good players very well.

D: Raze
-Her boombot is basically worthless, her satchels are like Jett's jump but worse, and grenade is not effective on players with more than 5 hours in the game. Her ult is good, but it's not good enough to warrant picking her. She's getting nerfed too.


[quote=DanceNumber]
S tier
Raze[/quote]
Nope, get good
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#115
0 Frags +

No, you get good Raze is S tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg56HIcPVuA

Will probably get nerfed because CS players hate when you break their autistic timings.Satchels are not a worse Jett jump lmao, for one Jett movement is way more linear. No one's really explored Raze setups aside from this guy so far, being able to entry frag like that is insane.

No, you get good Raze is S tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg56HIcPVuA

Will probably get nerfed because CS players hate when you break their autistic timings.Satchels are not a worse Jett jump lmao, for one Jett movement is way more linear. No one's really explored Raze setups aside from this guy so far, being able to entry frag like that is insane.
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#116
2 Frags +

There may be something to worry about down the line, but for the record, effective anti-cheats have to be rootkits because ok+ quality cheats generally are. It certainly doesn't take away the possibility of it just loading beforehand in the boot, but it at the very least takes away a good portion of the cheats that bad programmers would make.

When you install anything or use any service there's always going to be that possibility that down the line something you didn't pay attention to is used differently than you intended, but that's the case for every service and every anti-cheat... this one isn't really any different from what we've seen so far.

Also that hugely upvoted post by someone that "works in IT" is mostly complete nonsense. Dude doesn't have a clue. The dude called amd64_sucks is speaking some sense and actually comes from a position of experience in reverse engineering/game hacking/blogging about it.

reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/g3rvy4/why_anticheat_software_utilize_kernel_drivers_a/

There may be something to worry about down the line, but for the record, effective anti-cheats have to be rootkits because ok+ quality cheats generally are. It certainly doesn't take away the possibility of it just loading beforehand in the boot, but it at the very least takes away a good portion of the cheats that bad programmers would make.

When you install anything or use any service there's always going to be that possibility that down the line something you didn't pay attention to is used differently than you intended, but that's the case for every service and every anti-cheat... this one isn't really any different from what we've seen so far.

Also that hugely upvoted post by someone that "works in IT" is mostly complete nonsense. Dude doesn't have a clue. The dude called amd64_sucks is speaking some sense and actually comes from a position of experience in reverse engineering/game hacking/blogging about it.

reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/g3rvy4/why_anticheat_software_utilize_kernel_drivers_a/
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#117
3 Frags +
gdhandNo, you get good Raze is S tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg56HIcPVuA

Will probably get nerfed because CS players hate when you break their autistic timings.Satchels are not a worse Jett jump lmao, for one Jett movement is way more linear. No one's really explored Raze setups aside from this guy so far, being able to entry frag like that is insane.

yeah no this isnt convincing. sure these setups are cool and all but in reality most of these clips hes getting lucky that the victim of his antics doesnt instantly shred him.

this looks like one of those cs youtuber frag videos where they bhop around in mm and get stupid headshots bc luck or they had a small fov aimbot or some shit. ultimately its impractical at best, and hard feeding at worst.

especially with raze's nerf its really easy to see how underwhelming her kit is when u know what she does. i havent seen any raze grenade or rocket getting really stupid kills in a few days now.

raze is high C low B tier.

[quote=gdhand]No, you get good Raze is S tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg56HIcPVuA

Will probably get nerfed because CS players hate when you break their autistic timings.Satchels are not a worse Jett jump lmao, for one Jett movement is way more linear. No one's really explored Raze setups aside from this guy so far, being able to entry frag like that is insane.[/quote]
yeah no this isnt convincing. sure these setups are cool and all but in reality most of these clips hes getting lucky that the victim of his antics doesnt instantly shred him.

this looks like one of those cs youtuber frag videos where they bhop around in mm and get stupid headshots bc luck or they had a small fov aimbot or some shit. ultimately its impractical at best, and hard feeding at worst.

especially with raze's nerf its really easy to see how underwhelming her kit is when u know what she does. i havent seen any raze grenade or rocket getting really stupid kills in a few days now.

raze is high C low B tier.
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#118
-1 Frags +
ayatollahcan people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?

S tier:
Sage - So much good utility in her kit, can't really go wrong just sinking all of your time into learning her
Sova - Honestly if Sage's kit didn't completely overshadow his in terms of applicability he'd be the best in the game imo

A tier:
Cypher - I didn't put him in S tier because there's a decent amount of outplay that can be done against him, particularly his tripwire and camera
Brimstone - So many people sleep on Brimstone's stim beacon, and his smokes seem to last forever. I wouldn't be surprised if parts of his kit get nerfed in the future

B tier:
Breach - Really underrated kit, but I feel like that's because people haven't really seen how much of an impact he can have in a match when setting up engagements. He will be really good against teams that just slow peek corners or don't play at a fast enough tempo to avoid his abilities
Viper - Her toxic wall provides lots of good opportunities to push aggressively into sites and get plants, forcing the defenders to potentially take a bad engagement. Also her ult by itself could be considered A tier because it forces enemies to come to you and take action. I feel like she's really slept on
Phoenix - I've seen a lot of varying opinions about him, but his entire kit has a bunch of utility that people unfortunately see as useless. I will say that other agents (namely Viper and Breach) have abilities that are just upgrades to his

C tier:
Jett - I think Jett is going to turn into the "I couldn't pick Phoenix fast enough but I still want to try and frag on my own" agent for play. If 1/3 of her kit can be used for her team while the remaining 2/3 is reserved for her own personal abilities, I personally don't see that as enough justification to make her B tier
Omen - Omen is kind of weird. On paper his kit should be good enough to put him into B tier, but there's just something missing with it. Kind of tied with Jett, if not a notch below her to round out C tier

F tier:
Raze - Honestly she just needs a rework. Too much of her kit just doesn't belong in a tactical shooter. Her ultimate is a slight redeemer for her, but I expect Raze to be a cheese pick against newer players that are either new to the game, or just don't understand the concept of angles and general flow of the game. Outside of that, she's pretty bad. At least you can teamkill potential cheaters with your c4, if that's even something to be considered redeemable

[quote=ayatollah]can people who have played the game a lot give character tier list?[/quote]
S tier:
Sage - So much good utility in her kit, can't really go wrong just sinking all of your time into learning her
Sova - Honestly if Sage's kit didn't completely overshadow his in terms of applicability he'd be the best in the game imo

A tier:
Cypher - I didn't put him in S tier because there's a decent amount of outplay that can be done against him, particularly his tripwire and camera
Brimstone - So many people sleep on Brimstone's stim beacon, and his smokes seem to last forever. I wouldn't be surprised if parts of his kit get nerfed in the future

B tier:
Breach - Really underrated kit, but I feel like that's because people haven't really seen how much of an impact he can have in a match when setting up engagements. He will be really good against teams that just slow peek corners or don't play at a fast enough tempo to avoid his abilities
Viper - Her toxic wall provides lots of good opportunities to push aggressively into sites and get plants, forcing the defenders to potentially take a bad engagement. Also her ult by itself could be considered A tier because it forces enemies to come to you and take action. I feel like she's really slept on
Phoenix - I've seen a lot of varying opinions about him, but his entire kit has a bunch of utility that people unfortunately see as useless. I will say that other agents (namely Viper and Breach) have abilities that are just upgrades to his

C tier:
Jett - I think Jett is going to turn into the "I couldn't pick Phoenix fast enough but I still want to try and frag on my own" agent for play. If 1/3 of her kit can be used for her team while the remaining 2/3 is reserved for her own personal abilities, I personally don't see that as enough justification to make her B tier
Omen - Omen is kind of weird. On paper his kit should be good enough to put him into B tier, but there's just something missing with it. Kind of tied with Jett, if not a notch below her to round out C tier

F tier:
Raze - Honestly she just needs a rework. Too much of her kit just doesn't belong in a tactical shooter. Her ultimate is a slight redeemer for her, but I expect Raze to be a cheese pick against newer players that are either new to the game, or just don't understand the concept of angles and general flow of the game. Outside of that, she's pretty bad. At least you can teamkill potential cheaters with your c4, if that's even something to be considered redeemable
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#119
8 Frags +

if you think raze is s tier you should stick to tf2 thats my tier list thank you for listening

if you think raze is s tier you should stick to tf2 thats my tier list thank you for listening
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#120
-1 Frags +

can i just download this dumbass game yet or do I still need a key

can i just download this dumbass game yet or do I still need a key
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