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240hz monitors
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Is 240hz becoming the new norm? are there any tf2 players on 240hz? Do most tournaments (like csgo tournaments) provide 240hz monitors instead of 144hz?
I'm asking because I'm wondering if I should save up for a 240hz or a 144hz

Is 240hz becoming the new norm? are there any tf2 players on 240hz? Do most tournaments (like csgo tournaments) provide 240hz monitors instead of 144hz?
I'm asking because I'm wondering if I should save up for a 240hz or a 144hz
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alec has 240 hz.

alec has 240 hz.
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#3
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if your team is being funded by shaquille o neal, then yes

if your team is being funded by shaquille o neal, then yes
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#4
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yo alec is 240hz noticeable? would you say the cost is worth it?

yo alec is 240hz noticeable? would you say the cost is worth it?
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#5
138 Frags +

Hello Alec Could You Please Tell Me About Your 240hz Monitor? My Autistic Cousin "Showstopper" Is Dying Of Cancer And It's THe Only Thing He Wants Before He Dies

Hello Alec Could You Please Tell Me About Your 240hz Monitor? My Autistic Cousin "Showstopper" Is Dying Of Cancer And It's THe Only Thing He Wants Before He Dies
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#6
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alec u there bro

alec u there bro
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#7
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me and highfive got to test 240hz monitors are the zowie booth @ dreamhack you do notice a difference but its not as huge of a gap between 60 to 120 or 144. it just feels crispier
its also $500 so nah i dont think its worth, maybe if it ever goes on sale (lol)

me and highfive got to test 240hz monitors are the zowie booth @ dreamhack you do notice a difference but its not as huge of a gap between 60 to 120 or 144. it just feels crispier
its also $500 so nah i dont think its worth, maybe if it ever goes on sale (lol)
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#8
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240 Hz is cool to look at and i feel like it helps less and less the better you are at the game if that makes sense. It felt like it did make everything a little smoother so a new player would benefit more from it than someone who is already kinda used to shooting typical movement patterns. I wouldn't recommend it for $500.

240 Hz is cool to look at and i feel like it helps less and less the better you are at the game if that makes sense. It felt like it did make everything a little smoother so a new player would benefit more from it than someone who is already kinda used to shooting typical movement patterns. I wouldn't recommend it for $500.
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#9
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the alec has spoken

the alec has spoken
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#10
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@comanglia

@comanglia
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#11
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i'm interested in how the XL2546 performs latency-wise & G2G-wise against other 144hz-240hz monitors out there:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XT6XQ6V/

DyAc (a supposedly low-latency form of strobing/motion blur reduction) is enabled by default.

i'm interested in how the XL2546 performs latency-wise & G2G-wise against other 144hz-240hz monitors out there:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XT6XQ6V/?tag=teamfortresst-20

DyAc (a supposedly low-latency form of strobing/motion blur reduction) is enabled by default.
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Another thing to consider is your gpu and cpu have to be good enough to handle the refresh rate because if you're not getting consistently 240+ fps in the games you play it can look kinda aids.
At least from what I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong.

Another thing to consider is your gpu and cpu have to be good enough to handle the refresh rate because if you're not getting consistently 240+ fps in the games you play it can look kinda aids.
At least from what I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong.
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#13
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Almost everyone even with configs is gonna dip below 240 fps a lot in tf2 so I doubt it's worth at all. Might be good for CS as it's hitscan only and better optimised tho?

Almost everyone even with configs is gonna dip below 240 fps a lot in tf2 so I doubt it's worth at all. Might be good for CS as it's hitscan only and better optimised tho?
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#14
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Oppebo@comanglia

Pretty much what Alec said. 240Hz is awesome I'd say it's more noticeable than going from 120Hz to 144Hz even, but at ~$500 it isn't worth it unless you're playing in Invite already, or you're specifically trying to make a career out of playing Esports and are already playing a FPS at a mid-high or high level. Keep in mind I've had a 240Hz monitor for about 3 months now and their's still PLENTY of scouts at 144Hz that are way better at DM then I am.

Also for anyone actually considering a 240Hz monitor the BenQ has some nice features but I wouldn't exactly recommend it. Been dealing with dust and dirt UNDER the screen appearing every few weeks, just started the process to RMA it last friday.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstSURhcnFnRlltUEU
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstUTRLZlkwVmxPY0E
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstbFN5TksyV3p0MWs
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstdkgxbkZqZ2JpNEk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstbGF5UHJpb1o0WGM

ZestyAlmost everyone even with configs is gonna dip below 240 fps a lot in tf2 so I doubt it's worth at all. Might be good for CS as it's hitscan only and better optimised tho?

With a good setup, stable overclocking with cool temps, and a lot of optimization you can have ~300fps on 6s midfights.

Main Board: Asus Z87-A ATX
CPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHz
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD 250GB
Hard Drive: 1TB SeaGate 7200RPM
CPU Fan: Phanteks PH-TC14PE
GPU: ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG STRIX OC
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 32GB 1866MHz
PSU: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold
Windows: W10 64-Bit
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Gun Metal)
Monitor: BenQ XL2540 @240Hz

My minimum FPS in a 24 person badwater server is 205 in DX 9 DX 8 in a 24 person server is about 220

joshuawni'm interested in how the XL2546 performs latency-wise & G2G-wise against other 144hz-240hz monitors out there:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XT6XQ6V/

DyAc (a supposedly low-latency form of strobing/motion blur reduction) is enabled by default.

I assume the panel and thus the GTG and overshoot is exactly the same as the 2540. Overshoot is worse than my BenQ XL2420TE and leaves a nice ghost trail behind players quite often (only a few pixel trail noticeable but not enough to annoy most) GtG is probably identical to most other BenQ GtG times average GtG being ~3.4ms (benq worst TN in this was 3.8ms best being 3.2ms, best ASUS in this category was 2.9ms, and one AOC monitor hit 2.7ms for an average but the AOC had horrible horrible overshoot)

As for DyAc I 100% don't believe it's worth an extra $50, especially since you can enable the Blur Reduction through the Service Menu on the XL2540.

http://display-corner.epfl.ch/images/8/87/Service_menu_BenQ-XL2540.png

The bottom 3 settings control the blur reduction.

(trying to find more specific information if their's any other difference between the 2540 and 2546 and I have my doubts hardware wise there's anything different, but the overdrive tables may have been tweaked for better support of blur reduction)

[quote=Oppebo]@comanglia[/quote]

Pretty much what Alec said. 240Hz is awesome I'd say it's more noticeable than going from 120Hz to 144Hz even, but at ~$500 it isn't worth it unless you're playing in Invite already, or you're specifically trying to make a career out of playing Esports and are already playing a FPS at a mid-high or high level. Keep in mind I've had a 240Hz monitor for about 3 months now and their's still PLENTY of scouts at 144Hz that are way better at DM then I am.

Also for anyone actually considering a 240Hz monitor the BenQ has some nice features but I wouldn't exactly recommend it. Been dealing with dust and dirt UNDER the screen appearing every few weeks, just started the process to RMA it last friday.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstSURhcnFnRlltUEU
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstUTRLZlkwVmxPY0E
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstbFN5TksyV3p0MWs
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstdkgxbkZqZ2JpNEk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwoVuGdjmbstbGF5UHJpb1o0WGM

[quote=Zesty]Almost everyone even with configs is gonna dip below 240 fps a lot in tf2 so I doubt it's worth at all. Might be good for CS as it's hitscan only and better optimised tho?[/quote]

With a good setup, stable overclocking with cool temps, and a lot of optimization you can have ~300fps on 6s midfights.


Main Board: Asus Z87-A ATX
CPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHz
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD 250GB
Hard Drive: 1TB SeaGate 7200RPM
CPU Fan: Phanteks PH-TC14PE
GPU: ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG STRIX OC
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 32GB 1866MHz
PSU: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold
Windows: W10 64-Bit
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Gun Metal)
Monitor: BenQ XL2540 @240Hz

My minimum FPS in a 24 person badwater server is 205 in [u]DX 9[/u] DX 8 in a 24 person server is about 220

[quote=joshuawn]i'm interested in how the XL2546 performs latency-wise & G2G-wise against other 144hz-240hz monitors out there:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XT6XQ6V/?tag=teamfortresst-20

DyAc (a supposedly low-latency form of strobing/motion blur reduction) is enabled by default.[/quote]

I assume the panel and thus the GTG and overshoot is exactly the same as the 2540. Overshoot is worse than my BenQ XL2420TE and leaves a nice ghost trail behind players quite often (only a few pixel trail noticeable but not enough to annoy most) GtG is probably identical to most other BenQ GtG times average GtG being ~3.4ms (benq worst TN in this was 3.8ms best being 3.2ms, best ASUS in this category was 2.9ms, and one AOC monitor hit 2.7ms for an average but the AOC had horrible horrible overshoot)

As for DyAc I 100% don't believe it's worth an extra $50, especially since you can enable the Blur Reduction through the Service Menu on the XL2540.

[img]http://display-corner.epfl.ch/images/8/87/Service_menu_BenQ-XL2540.png[/img]
The bottom 3 settings control the blur reduction.

(trying to find more specific information if their's any other difference between the 2540 and 2546 and I have my doubts hardware wise there's anything different, but the overdrive tables may have been tweaked for better support of blur reduction)
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Wanted to give an update to this as I've been using my 144Hz for the last 3 days due to RMAing my 240Hz. Gotta say my flick aim is almost completely unchanged, my tracking aim on the other hand is a bit off and noticeable in my Scout Pistol, Spy Revolver, and Sniper SMG.

With that said though I still stand behind what I said about who should buy a 240Hz with the exception of people who really really hate motion blur or people who just absolutely want to see 240Hz and have $500 to blow.

Wanted to give an update to this as I've been using my 144Hz for the last 3 days due to RMAing my 240Hz. Gotta say my flick aim is almost completely unchanged, my tracking aim on the other hand is a bit off and noticeable in my Scout Pistol, Spy Revolver, and Sniper SMG.

With that said though I still stand behind what I said about who should buy a 240Hz with the exception of people who really really hate motion blur or people who just absolutely want to see 240Hz and have $500 to blow.
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https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5168vGh1VdL._SL1000_.jpg

what the fuck are those side flaps for, looks retarded rofl

also clearly benq is having an identify crisis, pick one brand or the other... maybe zowie for gaming related products and benq for non?

https://i.gyazo.com/7d3e35728124b6f8c85b785a16010666.png

[img]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5168vGh1VdL._SL1000_.jpg[/img]
what the fuck are those side flaps for, looks retarded rofl

also clearly benq is having an identify crisis, pick one brand or the other... maybe zowie for gaming related products and benq for non?
[img]https://i.gyazo.com/7d3e35728124b6f8c85b785a16010666.png[/img]
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-protoalso clearly benq is having an identify crisis, pick one brand or the other... maybe zowie for gaming related products and benq for non?

They paid good money for that name so they're going to use it and they're going to make sure you know it's owned by BenQ now.
Also haven't you heard, twice the brandnames means it's twice as good.

[quote=-proto]also clearly benq is having an identify crisis, pick one brand or the other... maybe zowie for gaming related products and benq for non?[/quote]
They paid good money for that name so they're going to use it and they're going to make sure you know it's owned by BenQ now.
Also haven't you heard, twice the brandnames means it's twice as good.
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-protohttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5168vGh1VdL._SL1000_.jpg
what the fuck are those side flaps for, looks retarded rofl

To minimize visual distraction that may be going on behind you monitor, particularly at LAN events.

[quote=-proto]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5168vGh1VdL._SL1000_.jpg?tag=teamfortresst-20
what the fuck are those side flaps for, looks retarded rofl
[/quote]

To minimize visual distraction that may be going on behind you monitor, particularly at LAN events.
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#19
17 Frags +

i like my monitors aerodynamic

i like my monitors aerodynamic
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nvc reviewed this viewsonic one, he prefered his 165Hz though

nvc reviewed [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIb9ShcHfCw]this[/url] viewsonic one, he prefered his [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_auZi3lZP0]165Hz[/url] though
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#21
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So after another 7 months since I last used my 144Hz for any scrims/matches I used my 144Hz for a little bit last night. I can say the difference is a bit more noticeable now. Though I'm not fully sure if it's just the difference in refresh rates. I swear that on my XL2540 my reaction time is noticeable better and not just by 1-2 ms either. Just using this site as a quick gauge https://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime my reaction time on my XL2420TE is about 8-12ms slower. My XL2540 after a bit a fiddling looks way less washed out than my XL2420TE despite fiddling with it for hours multiple times.

As sniper @240Hz
- shots that are normally "easy" already are even easier
- reaction time based shots feel more consistent and faster (though this may not be because of the refresh rate)
- The hard shots, i.e. the soldier/demo flying at mach3 seem to land a bit more often but not much so.
- flicking from one sight line to another sight line and then lining up another shot is much faster. Normal flick shots don't seem to be much different though.
- Overall accuracy hasn't improved or at least not much, but this may mean that I'm taking riskier shots more often.

So after another 7 months since I last used my 144Hz for any scrims/matches I used my 144Hz for a little bit last night. I can say the difference is a bit more noticeable now. Though I'm not fully sure if it's just the difference in refresh rates. I swear that on my XL2540 my reaction time is noticeable better and not just by 1-2 ms either. Just using this site as a quick gauge https://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime my reaction time on my XL2420TE is about 8-12ms slower. My XL2540 after a bit a fiddling looks way less washed out than my XL2420TE despite fiddling with it for hours multiple times.

As sniper @240Hz
- shots that are normally "easy" already are even easier
- reaction time based shots feel more consistent and faster (though this may not be because of the refresh rate)
- The hard shots, i.e. the soldier/demo flying at mach3 seem to land a bit more often but not much so.
- flicking from one sight line to another sight line and then lining up another shot is much faster. Normal flick shots don't seem to be much different though.
- Overall accuracy hasn't improved or at least not much, but this may mean that I'm taking riskier shots more often.
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#22
-9 Frags +

ye gl having 240fps in this game outside jumpmaps

ye gl having 240fps in this game outside jumpmaps
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#23
6 Frags +
ComangliaZestyAlmost everyone even with configs is gonna dip below 240 fps a lot in tf2 so I doubt it's worth at all. Might be good for CS as it's hitscan only and better optimised tho?
With a good setup, stable overclocking with cool temps, and a lot of optimization you can have ~300fps on 6s midfights.

Main Board: Asus Z87-A ATX
CPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHz
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD 250GB
Hard Drive: 1TB SeaGate 7200RPM
CPU Fan: Phanteks PH-TC14PE
GPU: ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG STRIX OC
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 32GB 1866MHz
PSU: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold
Windows: W10 64-Bit
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Gun Metal)
Monitor: BenQ XL2540 @240Hz

- No Hats Mod
- No explosion smoke script
- No Bullet Hole Dust script

My minimum FPS in a 24 person badwater server is 205 in DX 9 DX 8 in a 24 person server is about 220
yahooye gl having 240fps in this game outside jumpmaps

Quoting a post I made earlier. Considering I can get almost 240+ the entire time I'm in a pub server in DX 8. Getting 240+ in 6s is a breeze and a lot more accessible than you would think unless it was some horribly unoptimized garbo map or driver bugs.

[quote=Comanglia][quote=Zesty]Almost everyone even with configs is gonna dip below 240 fps a lot in tf2 so I doubt it's worth at all. Might be good for CS as it's hitscan only and better optimised tho?[/quote]

With a good setup, stable overclocking with cool temps, and a lot of optimization you can have ~300fps on 6s midfights.

Main Board: Asus Z87-A ATX
CPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHz
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD 250GB
Hard Drive: 1TB SeaGate 7200RPM
CPU Fan: Phanteks PH-TC14PE
GPU: ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG STRIX OC
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 32GB 1866MHz
PSU: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold
Windows: W10 64-Bit
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Gun Metal)
Monitor: BenQ XL2540 @240Hz

- No Hats Mod
- No explosion smoke script
- No Bullet Hole Dust script

My minimum FPS in a 24 person badwater server is 205 in [u]DX 9[/u] DX 8 in a 24 person server is about 220
[/quote]

[quote=yahoo]ye gl having 240fps in this game outside jumpmaps[/quote]

Quoting a post I made earlier. Considering I can get almost 240+ the entire time I'm in a pub server in DX 8. Getting 240+ in 6s is a breeze and a lot more accessible than you would think unless it was some horribly unoptimized garbo map or driver bugs.
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#24
6 Frags +
ComangliaCPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHzComangliaGetting 240+ in 6s is a breeze and a lot more accessible than you would think

that doesnt really look to qualify as an accessible breeze...

[quote=Comanglia]CPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHz[/quote]


[quote=Comanglia]Getting 240+ in 6s is a breeze and a lot more accessible than you would think[/quote]

that doesnt really look to qualify as an accessible breeze...
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#25
9 Frags +
MenachemComangliaCPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHzComangliaGetting 240+ in 6s is a breeze and a lot more accessible than you would think
that doesnt really look to qualify as an accessible breeze...

Newer intel cpus have higher base clock speeds and slightly higher IPC.

Example the i7 7700k comes at 4.2GHz or a i5 7600k at 3.8GHz this cpu series has a roughly +10% better IPC than the generation I have so for the i7 7700k @4.2GHz that's roughly equal to my CPU @4.62GHz plus keep in mind I'm talking about 6s here the 7700k should be able to do 240FPS constantly and the i5-7600k would be really close even without overclocking, and assuming you have a FPS config/no shadows/no hats/no explosions script and High Performance power options.

-edit-
240FPS is a breeze if you have the right equipment and I personally consider an i5 accessible. Others may disagree on what "accessible" is.

-edit2-
also forgot to mention that anyone who buys a ~$400-600 240Hz monitor and doesn't think an i5 or i7 is accessible is in the wrong market.

[quote=Menachem][quote=Comanglia]CPU: Intel i7-4790K @4.8 GHz[/quote]


[quote=Comanglia]Getting 240+ in 6s is a breeze and a lot more accessible than you would think[/quote]

that doesnt really look to qualify as an accessible breeze...[/quote]

Newer intel cpus have higher base clock speeds and slightly higher IPC.

Example the i7 7700k comes at 4.2GHz or a i5 7600k at 3.8GHz this cpu series has a roughly +10% better IPC than the generation I have so for the i7 7700k @4.2GHz that's roughly equal to my CPU @4.62GHz plus keep in mind I'm talking about 6s here the 7700k should be able to do 240FPS constantly and the i5-7600k would be really close even without overclocking, and assuming you have a FPS config/no shadows/no hats/no explosions script and High Performance power options.

-edit-
240FPS is a breeze if you have the right equipment and I personally consider an i5 accessible. Others may disagree on what "accessible" is.

-edit2-
also forgot to mention that anyone who buys a ~$400-600 240Hz monitor and doesn't think an i5 or i7 is accessible is in the wrong market.
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